View Full Version : If we lost Hurley to GC17
Would we be compensated, even though he is out of contract?
And if so, what do you think would be a fair deal?
I would prefer to keep him at all costs, but until he signs a new contract the rumors are going to circulate.
Tristagi
17 Feb 2010, 11:34
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
centurion
17 Feb 2010, 11:36
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
Yep, good on em for trying to expand the game but hurting the traditional clubs and their fans is not the right way to go about it.
I got a feeling the AFL by that i mean individual clubs, will lose a lot of fans over this.
Kaiser Powser
17 Feb 2010, 11:40
I really don't think the AFL have thought this through. The compensation seems to be about in-line with letting go a cusp player. Surprise surprise, GC go after the best players in the comp and the only compensation clubs can get is potentially a late first or second rounder.
Staggering.
Surely GC should have to part with some of their plethora of early picks to get players like Ablett, Hurley and Cotchin. They are literally their clubs most important players going forward and they can just pinch them.
Ben the Gooner
17 Feb 2010, 11:57
He was picked at 5 two years ago, and has well and truly exceeded expectations here. In a trade he'd be worth pick 1 + something.
In other words, the AFL can go and get ****ed.
The Donners
17 Feb 2010, 11:59
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
If true that's an absolute joke! He's worth more than Judd was!
Bring back the good old days, Delaney, Ridley and Kickett for Lloyd.
You serious, Ablett will get a Judd like deal to go GC. He will get two picks plus a player. Hurley would be worth a top 5 pick plus something else small, like pick 40.
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
Are you sure this is correct? Source?
If the value of the player depends on the finishing position of that club that season, all players are suddenly valued at the same price then? That simply can not be the case surely??!!
I swear the AFL said they would have a value-based system, which has been kept a secret in order to value a players worth.
What is suggested here is that all players will be valued irrelevantly, but the finishing position of that team suddenly values the player?
Makes zero sense, and IMO there will be a $h!t fight and a half if this is the case.
Kings Army
17 Feb 2010, 12:15
He was picked at 5 two years ago, and has well and truly exceeded expectations here. In a trade he'd be worth pick 1 + something.
In other words, the AFL can go and get ****ed.
It does not matter how much you dislike your club if Essendon got handed pick 30 for Hurley then something is not right with the signing of un-contracted player. You would think one of the GC 1st 5 picks is close to even as you will get. But even then this is short of the correct value of the player.
If Hurley wanted to go to the GC it would be good if he signed a 1 year contact with Essendon - Essendon then can negotiate a "fair" trade - ie picks 2 and 4 for Hurley. This way Hurley does the right thing by the club, the club gets resaonable compensation and Hurley get to where he wants to go - win win win.
nickh32
17 Feb 2010, 12:16
Yeh they can give us david swallow and josh toy for hurley
Hopefully they get Gazza and have no money let to spend on Hurley :rolleyes:
D BRIDGE
17 Feb 2010, 12:35
Are you guys just getting onto this now. Ive been all over it for months with Ablett.
We are all gonna get ripped off bad by the AFL and GC if our stars go.
Sure we can handle fair compensation but we will get close to nothing for the best players in the game.
Even the crappy picks we get wont be coming from the GC they are extra picks made up by the AFL for the draft that we have a 5 year window to use them and we have to nominate before the start of the year when we want to use it.
Its gonna get ugly and GC will be more hated than the Pies when they take our best players for nothing.
Ben the Gooner
17 Feb 2010, 13:00
It does not matter how much you dislike your club if Essendon got handed pick 30 for Hurley then something is not right with the signing of un-contracted player. You would think one of the GC 1st 5 picks is close to even as you will get. But even then this is short of the correct value of the player.
If Hurley wanted to go to the GC it would be good if he signed a 1 year contact with Essendon - Essendon then can negotiate a "fair" trade - ie picks 2 and 4 for Hurley. This way Hurley does the right thing by the club, the club gets resaonable compensation and Hurley get to where he wants to go - win win win.
The fact that even Kings Army agrees with an Essendon fan is proof that we're right.
theboxmike
17 Feb 2010, 13:07
I am going to be seriously seriously angry if GC get Hurley......
mark1881
17 Feb 2010, 13:21
I don't think it's fair for the GC to target young developing sides. Go after players from teams in the top 4, not teams who are struggling to make finals. I'd be upset if we lost Hurley, even more so if we got nothing for him! Players under the age of 20 or 21 should be off limits.
I am going to be seriously seriously angry if GC get Hurley......
So will I :mad:..
But, i do honestly think he is happy at Essendon.
It's most probably bullshit sensationalised journalisim, typical of the HUN, although until he signs a contract i will be worried!
centurion
17 Feb 2010, 13:34
So will I :mad:..
But, i do honestly think he is happy at Essendon.
It's most probably bullshit sensationalised journalisim, typical of the HUN, although until he signs a contract i will be worried!
In these days, that doesn't mean much.
Unfortunately money talks.
Scodog10
17 Feb 2010, 14:02
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
What the hell have you been smoking? When the AFL convenes to determine the compensation for a player of Ablett's worth they will take into account what he has achieved in the game such as BnF finishes, brownlow finishes and so forth.
From there they will probably determine that Ablett is worth at least two first round draft picks and probably a second round pick as well, these picks must then be used in any draft within 5 years of the Gold Coast entering the competition. Where you got that you will only receive a pick in the 20's as compensation is anyones guess!
As for Hurley id say a first round pick and maybe third round pick would be fair because unfortunately to this point in his career he hasnt done all that much. Though he will be an outstanding player in the future.
bombre-boy
17 Feb 2010, 14:04
IT would mean we have not gotten much out of 3 of the last 4 first round draft picks, Gumbo, Myers, Hurley....
These picks are supposed to be the future of our club....
No compensation will be good enough for hurley....
Pretty stuffed really.
we will be able to offer hurley just as much as the Gold coast if GAJ goes. if he doesnt i guess it will be hard to match the $ so as long as he is happy here, and we continue to improve why would he leave? all players want to win a flag before money and i dont care how many concessions the Goldie has we are 4-6years closer to finishing top 4 to them!
i dont think anyone actually knows what the AFLs equation is for deciding what compensation is, except that you can use it any time in the next 5 years,
surely if a player like GAJ goes geelong should get pick 1 (which would be pick 4 next draft or pick 1 in 4years when GWS or goldie arent getting their priorities)
Skeeta Olly
17 Feb 2010, 14:58
Ian Robson.
That is all.
To milk an old joke, this would be close to my reaction if Hurley left Essendon...
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Ian Robson.
That is all.
is that saying that you think Ian robson can talk a 20yo into signing even if someone else is offering lots more $?
Ben the Gooner
17 Feb 2010, 15:49
I would make a Hitler reaction video.
That's how pissed off I'd be.
bipolarbeaR
17 Feb 2010, 16:00
I will stop watching football, the one time we potentially have an elite KPP he get's stolen from the GC? I would just stop watching.
it would definately challenge losing the 99 pre-lim and 90 GF as the worst moment i can remember in footy!!
bipolarbeaR
17 Feb 2010, 16:37
I was too young for the 90 one.
But I remember the Carlton by 1 point and Sydney by 1 point finals. They sucked and hurt something bad.
The rest of my family are North Melbourne supporters, the amount of times in the 90's that we almost played North in a Grand Final brought real tension to the house lol.
I was too young for the 90 one.
But I remember the Carlton by 1 point and Sydney by 1 point finals. They sucked and hurt something bad.
The rest of my family are North Melbourne supporters, the amount of times in the 90's that we almost played North in a Grand Final brought real tension to the house lol.
i was 8 in 1990 i still blame peter sumich for missing that goal giving us 2weeks off, ruining our momentum!! the rules always get changed after we get screwed! now there is no draws in finals! and the priority pick rule got changed the year before we finish 2nd last and wed have gumby and luenberger instead of gumby and jetta...
Big Blow Hard
17 Feb 2010, 17:00
I would have to pull down the huge Hurley shrine I built for the next Jesus. :mad:
Maybe I can recoup some money by selling the marble.
Ludwig van Bertstare
17 Feb 2010, 17:05
i was 8 in 1990 i still blame peter sumich for missing that goal giving us 2weeks off, ruining our momentum!! the rules always get changed after we get screwed! now there is no draws in finals! and the priority pick rule got changed the year before we finish 2nd last and wed have gumby and luenberger instead of gumby and jetta...
We'd have Gumby and Selwood actually.
We'd have Gumby and Selwood actually.
correct,,, but..
dont make it worse....haha...
sure carlton wouldnt have taken him ?
OzBomber
17 Feb 2010, 17:20
We can not lose Hurley. We have got to do whatever is possible to make sure he stays at the Essendon Football Club. I will be very dissapointed if we just let him go like that. :(
100action
17 Feb 2010, 17:29
I don't think it's fair for the GC to target young developing sides. Go after players from teams in the top 4, not teams who are struggling to make finals. I'd be upset if we lost Hurley, even more so if we got nothing for him! Players under the age of 20 or 21 should be off limits.
You can also argue for top 4 sides that it is unfair for them because they are having their windows prematurely shut from the raid on talent.
I think the fact that some clubs will not lose any players is the unbalanced element, if one club loses a decent player then every club should be forced to give up a similar player or something of that ilk so at least everyone suffers thus balancing things out.
GC said they are confident on signing 8-10 un-contracted names that means 6-8 clubs do not lose any talent, this is my major gripe.
The AFL has devised a compensation system which takes into account a players age, B and F history, position drafted etc. The exact formula is a secret so that clubs cant fiddle their B and F results.
My understanding of the situation is that Hurley may attract a compensatory pick in the 20's or 30's.
Note that this compensatory pick cant be used in 2010, but can be used in any of the following four drafts.
Big Blow Hard
17 Feb 2010, 17:57
We'd have Gumby and Selwood actually.
If we had drafted Selwood, his so called degenerative hips (or whatever was supposedly suspect on him) would have become a relaity no doubt. Such has been our luck.
Though nice to see Gumby is the only player on our injury list ATM. Thats different for us. A complete list to choose from.
TeamHurley
17 Feb 2010, 18:20
Have to take a bit of confidence that
- Hurley is a local, Rosanna boy. Has family here.
- Good mates with Zaharakis and Still
- Reports are he is happy at the club
- We have a lot of cap space to match any offer the GC throws at him
If we match what the GC throw at him, which will be over the odds, then you would have to be pretty confident that he would stay. The club knows how important he is to our future.
Anyone know when contract negotiations would take place?
Will we have to wait until the end of the season?
GC said they are confident on signing 8-10 un-contracted names that means 6-8 clubs do not lose any talent, this is my major gripe.
Agreed, this is my concern also. Forgetting whether one is for or against some form of free agency for a minute, if it did exist then losing a good player wouldn't hurt clubs as much as they could try and attract another good player to fill the hole left.
But in a system that is set up to distribute talent and limit coaxing of other clubs' talent (draft, salary cap, trading system), the fact that new startup teams have advantages in all of those areas means that they will attract some players and this leaves those players old clubs at a disadvantage to other clubs that managed to retain all their players.
The AFL has devised a compensation system which takes into account a players age, B and F history, position drafted etc.
Not having a go at you, but you say that as if there is some sort of solace to be had in it. The problem here being that the AFL has a history of calculating things poorly, and seeing things through their own bias or to their own advantage.
The exact formula is a secret so that clubs cant fiddle their B and F results.
It's understandable that they would keep it a secret, but it's probably more to do with how much animosity they would receive if clubs and fans knew how poorly they will be compensated ahead of time.
My understanding of the situation is that Hurley may attract a compensatory pick in the 20's or 30's.
This would be my problem. Hurley is young and was taken a pick #5, this is a huge investment for any club and a club should get at least equal return on their investment (especially given the system the AFL uses as mentioned above) if it is as young as Hurley.
Having said that Hurley is one of the most talented KPP I've seen in a long time and this would be the reason that the GC would target him, so you could argue that we deserve a better pick as by targeting him the GC have tacitly announced they recognise his potential future value. If he came out and starred next year and we did lose him, I don't think saying we should get pick #1 at some point is too absurd (given how overrated draft picks are I'm sure I'd hear lots of arguments against that though). Clubs should get compensation based not only on players achievements to date but also on what a players potential is, not what they are worth at that exact time they are lost. Of course potential is hard to judge and make blanket rules for, so the AFL will probably just not bother.
This is how trading works. No one trades for young draftees that are gunning it because when both clubs are on equal negotiating levels the club looking to trade for the player would have to pay over the odds because of perceived talent and potential. The AFL will effectively bypass this balance by allowing the GC to target out of contract players and will then short change clubs by "compensating" them in a way only the AFL can.
I'm not against expansion by any means, and honestly I'm not even against the GC being able to target players from other clubs. But they should be made to pay for those players with their picks, I mean the AFL has gifted them enough first round picks. The simple fact that the AFL want them to be instantly successful isn't a good enough reason for them to be allowed to horde their draft picks and gain good players too.
Having said all that, I wouldn't blame players for chasing money. It may be a sport, but it is also their careers. It isn't their fault the rules are what they are and I don't have a problem with them maximising their earnings from what is a short profession.
Skeeta Olly
17 Feb 2010, 18:41
Anyone know when contract negotiations would take place?
Will we have to wait until the end of the season?
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rumours-of-secret-deals-20100216-o8wz.html
Compensation wise, makes you wonder how much McPhee would have been worth had we lost him to the Gold Coast. Former B&F winner, AA and happy to stab a team in the back. I would assume 2nd rounder.
abers47
17 Feb 2010, 19:27
We can not lose Hurley. We have got to do whatever is possible to make sure he stays at the Essendon Football Club. I will be very dissapointed if we just let him go like that. :(
It's not like we don't have the money - open the coffers and start offering it out!
This whole GC situation sucks big time and as much as i hate you guys ( ;) ) the GC can go get stuffed as far as i am concerned. The AFL is robbing Melbourne clubs giving this team rights to other players out of contract and so many draft picks etc etc.
We have Gibbs coming out of contract at the end of the year and i am praying we sign him up soon to avoid this dilemma that you guys are in ATM. Melbourne clubs are what made the AFL what it is today and we are ALL about to be raped by this blow in team and it is pissing me off big time.
The AFL needs healthy and competitive Big 4 Melbourne clubs and this will not happen if we try to rebuild and this Johnny come lately club starts throwing enormous amounts of $$$$ towards our young stars due to the AFL NOT having a level playing field regarding the Salary Cap enticing them to leave with the backing of the AFL. :mad:
I hope you guys sign Hurley quick smart as he is a definate talent and the GC can go to hell and rebuild from scratch like everyone else had to do when they first entered the league.
Just my thoughts and i feel the anguish you guys are currently going through because if they manage to get Gibbs i will be mighty pissed as well. Hopefully we sign him soon and you guys as well with Hurley.
The Great Barry Besanko
17 Feb 2010, 20:23
It's not like we don't have the money - open the coffers and start offering it out!
Exactly. Paper today said GC could offer him $500k. Big deal we could and should match that easily. Ifwe're only going to get some pissy 20-30 pick in a compromised draft then you'll offer Hurley whatever it takes. Hurley, Pears, Gumbleton, Ryder are untouchables.
Anyway I think Hurley would stay.
Coopster09
17 Feb 2010, 20:42
But should we blame Essendon too?... i was reading another thread where many many Essendon players are out of contract this year. If they truely wanted those players they should of sorted contracts last year!!!. I WANT AT LEAST 10 players contracted to us by 1st May 2010 if not we are in alot of trouble guys :confused::o
Coopster09:thumbsu:
jade_00
17 Feb 2010, 22:08
I just read the OP.
Would we be compensated? Yes.
Would it be a fair deal? No ****ing way.
The best prospect we have seen in 20 years.....
Jivin Jackel
17 Feb 2010, 23:17
If Hurley was offered 3 million over 5 years, do you think essendon would match it? Gold coast has alot of money and while at Essendon he has his family and friends, it's just a question of what is worth more to him.
This whole GC situation sucks big time and as much as i hate you guys ( ;) ) the GC can go get stuffed as far as i am concerned. The AFL is robbing Melbourne clubs giving this team rights to other players out of contract and so many draft picks etc etc.
We have Gibbs coming out of contract at the end of the year and i am praying we sign him up soon to avoid this dilemma that you guys are in ATM. Melbourne clubs are what made the AFL what it is today and we are ALL about to be raped by this blow in team and it is pissing me off big time.
The AFL needs healthy and competitive Big 4 Melbourne clubs and this will not happen if we try to rebuild and this Johnny come lately club starts throwing enormous amounts of $$$$ towards our young stars due to the AFL NOT having a level playing field regarding the Salary Cap enticing them to leave with the backing of the AFL. :mad:
I never realised that the AFL only comprised the bid 4 clubs.
I am certain that the GC and GWS will target the best available players, whether they come from Melbourne based clubs or Interstate based clubs.
I hope you guys sign Hurley quick smart as he is a definate talent and the GC can go to hell and rebuild from scratch like everyone else had to do when they first entered the league.
Just my thoughts and i feel the anguish you guys are currently going through because if they manage to get Gibbs i will be mighty pissed as well. Hopefully we sign him soon and you guys as well with Hurley.
I never realised that the AFL only comprised the four big Melbourne Clubs.
I am certain that GC and GWS will target the best available players, whether they are with Melbourne based or Interstate based clubs.
Agreed, this is my concern also. Forgetting whether one is for or against some form of free agency for a minute, if it did exist then losing a good player wouldn't hurt clubs as much as they could try and attract another good player to fill the hole left.
But in a system that is set up to distribute talent and limit coaxing of other clubs' talent (draft, salary cap, trading system), the fact that new startup teams have advantages in all of those areas means that they will attract some players and this leaves those players old clubs at a disadvantage to other clubs that managed to retain all their players.
Not having a go at you, but you say that as if there is some sort of solace to be had in it. The problem here being that the AFL has a history of calculating things poorly, and seeing things through their own bias or to their own advantage.
It's understandable that they would keep it a secret, but it's probably more to do with how much animosity they would receive if clubs and fans knew how poorly they will be compensated ahead of time.
This would be my problem. Hurley is young and was taken a pick #5, this is a huge investment for any club and a club should get at least equal return on their investment (especially given the system the AFL uses as mentioned above) if it is as young as Hurley.
Having said that Hurley is one of the most talented KPP I've seen in a long time and this would be the reason that the GC would target him, so you could argue that we deserve a better pick as by targeting him the GC have tacitly announced they recognise his potential future value. If he came out and starred next year and we did lose him, I don't think saying we should get pick #1 at some point is too absurd (given how overrated draft picks are I'm sure I'd hear lots of arguments against that though). Clubs should get compensation based not only on players achievements to date but also on what a players potential is, not what they are worth at that exact time they are lost. Of course potential is hard to judge and make blanket rules for, so the AFL will probably just not bother.
This is how trading works. No one trades for young draftees that are gunning it because when both clubs are on equal negotiating levels the club looking to trade for the player would have to pay over the odds because of perceived talent and potential. The AFL will effectively bypass this balance by allowing the GC to target out of contract players and will then short change clubs by "compensating" them in a way only the AFL can.
I'm not against expansion by any means, and honestly I'm not even against the GC being able to target players from other clubs. But they should be made to pay for those players with their picks, I mean the AFL has gifted them enough first round picks. The simple fact that the AFL want them to be instantly successful isn't a good enough reason for them to be allowed to horde their draft picks and gain good players too.
Having said all that, I wouldn't blame players for chasing money. It may be a sport, but it is also their careers. It isn't their fault the rules are what they are and I don't have a problem with them maximising their earnings from what is a short profession.
No reason to shoot the messnger.
I was merely clarifying some inaccurate information that had been posted.
Everybody realises that the compensatory picks for uncontracted players is nowhere near market value if the GC sign quality players.
The clubs did agree to the compensation package.
My feeling is that Hurley will stay at Essendon because it would be difficult for a young player to uproot and move to another state.
i dont thinkk a 3 mill over 5 year deal would be that good for him
if he is truly after money he wouldnt sign a long term deal because if he becomes one of the gun KPP in the comp he could command 700-800k a year in years 3-4-5 of a deal he is only getting 500.
i think mcviegh is vet list next year ?
i dont thinkk a 3 mill over 5 year deal would be that good for him
if he is truly after money he wouldnt sign a long term deal because if he becomes one of the gun KPP in the comp he could command 700-800k a year in years 3-4-5 of a deal he is only getting 500.
i think mcviegh is vet list next year ?
2012 i think...hille will be eligable aswell!
2012 i think...hille will be eligable aswell!
How old is Hille?
How old is Hille?
29 in june
Call Me Cake
18 Feb 2010, 08:37
They'll have to pry him from my own dead hands...
bQXdrTJXc-c
Seriously though, he's a Victorian, has lots of family here, good mates too, loves the club and is treated very well. His admiration of Fletcher is enough in itself to make me believe that he'll stay.
Hopefully. :thumbsu:
Giggidy Giggidy
18 Feb 2010, 08:48
If Hurley was offered 3 million over 5 years, do you think essendon would match it? Gold coast has alot of money and while at Essendon he has his family and friends, it's just a question of what is worth more to him.
I think a $1.5 over 3 would be what we might try to sell him on, and convince him how much earning potential above that he'd have beyond that for years 4-6.
Such a delicate balancing act for the EFC now though with this in terms of internal punishments for the alleged cabbie incident. Need to punish him enough to keep the AFL and general public happy, but not too much to push him away from re-signing.
Ludwig van Bertstare
18 Feb 2010, 08:57
They'll have to pry him from my own dead hands...
bQXdrTJXc-c
Seriously though, he's a Victorian, has lots of family here, good mates too, loves the club and is treated very well. His admiration of Fletcher is enough in itself to make me believe that he'll stay.
Hopefully. :thumbsu:
Hurley makes me feel warm & fuzzy inside.
They'll have to pry him from my own dead hands...
bQXdrTJXc-c
Seriously though, he's a Victorian, has lots of family here, good mates too, loves the club and is treated very well. His admiration of Fletcher is enough in itself to make me believe that he'll stay.
Hopefully. :thumbsu:I :heart: Hurley.
Have to take a bit of confidence that
- Hurley is a local, Rosanna boy. Has family here.
- Good mates with Zaharakis and Still
- Reports are he is happy at the club
- We have a lot of cap space to match any offer the GC throws at him
If we match what the GC throw at him, which will be over the odds, then you would have to be pretty confident that he would stay. The club knows how important he is to our future.
Anyone know when contract negotiations would take place?
Will we have to wait until the end of the season?
Know how you feel. Carlton has Gibbs out of contract too and we are holding our breath until we hear news of him re-signing.
As for Hurley, a 5 year deal is going to be hard for him to knock back. He also has a brother living in Qld.
Know how you feel. Carlton has Gibbs out of contract too and we are holding our breath until we hear news of him re-signing.
As for Hurley, a 5 year deal is going to be hard for him to knock back. He also has a brother living in Qld.
Doubt he would be offered 5 yrs, and doubt he would accept that duration. Only because as someone else previously stated, in 3 yrs time he might command something around 800k per yr, if he got offered say a contract of 2.5Mil over 5 yrs, its only 500k per yr (alot for any of us) but if he is after the $$ you would think he will back himself to build for the next contract.
I guess its just me wishfully thinking but thats the logic im looking at the duration of contract with.. Hopefully we match whatever they throw at him, we can afford a marquee player and that plays in our favour (unlike geelong for GAJ or even you guys with Gibbs, because your paying alot atm for Judd etc.) so hopefully something will be worked out..
Know how you feel. Carlton has Gibbs out of contract too and we are holding our breath until we hear news of him re-signing.
As for Hurley, a 5 year deal is going to be hard for him to knock back. He also has a brother living in Qld.
we can match any offer! not sure if you guys can with gibbs though! its going to suck for a lot of clubs thats for sure!
Tailypo
18 Feb 2010, 10:24
Love the video. Certainly paints a different picture to some of the 'arrogant ********' lines that certain anti-Essendon posters are peddling ;).
kelvin_sheedy
18 Feb 2010, 11:13
I'll blame Matthew Knights. ;)
I'll blame Matthew Knights. ;)
Yeah you would... Tosser..
BomberTime
18 Feb 2010, 11:29
Has taken the famous #18 i think it shows how much he loves and respects the club and its players. Im very confident he will sign and do the right thing by the club..we might dodge a bullet with hurley but if some of our young guns keep improving..we might lose a player to western sydney in a couple of years. We must have some room in the salary cap with lloyd lucas mcphee and lovett gone.
No reason to shoot the messnger.
I didn't. That's why I said I wasn't having a go at you.
I simply used your post as a springboard to segue into what I wanted to say about how unfair the compensation is. While clubs may have agreed I doubt they were given the specifics of the compensation.
I'll blame Matthew Knights. ;)But if Sheedy was in charge, you'd praise him for the stroke of genius in drafting him for the few years we had him?
i know its an early call, but surely he is pretty much guaranteed to be the next captain, i know that jobe hasnt even started his fulltime captains role yet, but hes 5years older than Hurley. and im not sure it would suit ryder he is seems to be a fletcher type that likes to do his work in the background!
If u lose Hurley to GC17 I may feel better about our drafting team selecting Yarran over Rich.
On second thought..................... nothing will ever repair that sought of damage.
Seriously, if GC17 really want Hurley they will get him. What 18 year old would knock back 600k a year to live 5 minutes from the best beach in the world.
The sad thing is he really will be that good its scary.
skilgannon_au
18 Feb 2010, 13:47
I know his shown some serious talent, but captain? come on, hurley has played one season and just committed a moderately serious offfield indiscretion, and we're talking about the Essendon Captainship held by Hird, Lloyd and their ilk. I'm sorry, no matter how good his performance onfield, until his shown he can be reliable offfield over a long period there is no way i would even consider him for captain.
If u lose Hurley to GC17 I may feel better about our drafting team selecting Yarran over Rich.
On second thought..................... nothing will ever repair that sought of damage.
Seriously, if GC17 really want Hurley they will get him. What 18 year old would knock back 600k a year to live 5 minutes from the best beach in the world.
The sad thing is he really will be that good its scary.
lol!!!! thats so hilarious!! its a hole of a beach!! i could name 10 victorian beaches better than that!!
lol!!!! thats so hilarious!! its a hole of a beach!! i could name 10 victorian beaches better than that!!
FLOL!!!!!!!!!! I'd be worrying more about losing the next Carey than arguing about my rating of the Gold Coast.
FLOL!!!!!!!!!! I'd be worrying more about losing the next Carey than arguing about my rating of the Gold Coast.
im not worried one bit, we can pay him 600k and he can live at whatever beach he wants..
TeamHurley
18 Feb 2010, 14:08
FLOL!!!!!!!!!! I'd be worrying more about losing the next Carey than arguing about my rating of the Gold Coast.
You should be less worried about Hurley and more worried about Gibbs.. or some other good player you have. Struggling to think of one. Houlihan?
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!
18 Feb 2010, 15:04
if hurley goes i will be pissed GC can throw all the picks they like but what if the pick we get in return becomes a dud player you just dont know thats why essendon should sign him up quick
Ben the Gooner
18 Feb 2010, 15:55
Hurley makes me feel warm & fuzzy inside.
I :heart: Hurley.
This.
Does anyone here have a 5 year old son/daughter who can spare 20c to keep him here, Chris Grant style?
i wouldn't be too concerned - at essendon currently there is plenty of room with the salary cap. they ignored approaching luke ball to retain players of hurley's ilk.
already lucas, lloyd and mcphee have departed freeing up a lot of room with mark williams effectively replacing lovett in terms of salary. throw in fletcher's imminent retirement and the elevations of hille and mcveigh to veteran's status halving their salary the bombers have plenty to offer.
other players over 150k:
watson - will be receiving some of his salary as a marketing payment due to being the captain and face of the club which is not included in cap.
stanton
monfries
winderlich
prismall
welsh
dempsey
pears
davey
ryder
m.williams
reimers
thats actually not that many compared to most clubs.
next one up is hurley and he will get a very reasonable offer from the dons and the lure of team success whilst the gold coast find their feet should be more than enough to keep him at windy hill.
Krakeour Magic
18 Feb 2010, 18:10
well if we lose Gazza all we seem to be getting is one pick after our first round pick which if we finish top four will be in the 20's...
If thats all we are getting for the best player in the game, good luck getting much more than that for a future star...
The AFL has fu**ed us all here..
This is the hardest part of the deal to swallow. The fact that you can't get market value for a player that a club has drafted/developed.
TeamHurley
18 Feb 2010, 18:33
Quote from hurley when he got drafted.
“You can forget about St Kilda, I am an Essendon boy now,” he said.
abers47
18 Feb 2010, 18:44
Quote from hurley when he got drafted.
“You can forget about St Kilda, I am an Essendon boy now,” he said.
God I hope so!!!! :thumbsu:
Lance Uppercut
18 Feb 2010, 19:53
This.
Does anyone here have a 5 year old son/daughter who can spare 20c to keep him here, Chris Grant style?
ah hahahaha!!!
I was thinking of that myself, wondering how I could donate a heart-rending fiver & pretend I was a kid :D
This.
Does anyone here have a 5 year old son/daughter who can spare 20c to keep him here, Chris Grant style?I have an 18-month old Nephew. And he's a Carlton supporter, poor little guy.
How about my dog?
Ben the Gooner
18 Feb 2010, 20:36
I have an 18-month old Nephew. And he's a Carlton supporter, poor little guy.
How about my dog?
Well if he's good enough to get a Hawthorn membership...
i wouldn't be too concerned - at essendon currently there is plenty of room with the salary cap. they ignored approaching luke ball to retain players of hurley's ilk.
already lucas, lloyd and mcphee have departed freeing up a lot of room with mark williams effectively replacing lovett in terms of salary. throw in fletcher's imminent retirement and the elevations of hille and mcveigh to veteran's status halving their salary the bombers have plenty to offer.
other players over 150k:
watson - will be receiving some of his salary as a marketing payment due to being the captain and face of the club which is not included in cap.
stanton
monfries
winderlich
prismall
welsh
dempsey
pears
davey
ryder
m.williams
reimers
thats actually not that many compared to most clubs.
next one up is hurley and he will get a very reasonable offer from the dons and the lure of team success whilst the gold coast find their feet should be more than enough to keep him at windy hill.
Really?
If u lose Hurley to GC17 I may feel better about our drafting team selecting Yarran over Rich.
On second thought..................... nothing will ever repair that sought of damage.
Seriously, if GC17 really want Hurley they will get him. What 18 year old would knock back 600k a year to live 5 minutes from the best beach in the world.
The sad thing is he really will be that good its scary.
The best beach in the world.
You have to leave the beach at 3pm because the skyscrapers block the sun.
Call Me Cake
19 Feb 2010, 07:45
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/twogame-ban-looms-for-hurley-20100218-ois4.html
Hurley, taken at pick No. 5 in the 2008 national draft, has been strongly linked to the Gold Coast in recent weeks but has assured the Bombers he wants to remain at Windy Hill.http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/twogame-ban-looms-for-hurley-20100218-ois4.html
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getnakck
19 Feb 2010, 07:56
i think hurley has family in queenslands a brother or somethink so maybe more to it
U Got Reimered
19 Feb 2010, 08:38
i think hurley has family in queenslands a brother or somethink so maybe more to it
So he will leave the rest of his family and friends to be with one brother.. O NO!!!! He is gone for sure... Better start disaster recovery now!!
Reimers?
Really?
reimers boots alone cost the club $150k in salary cap!
Ben the Gooner
19 Feb 2010, 15:28
Haha, well played.:D
Big Blow Hard
19 Feb 2010, 16:03
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/twogame-ban-looms-for-hurley-20100218-ois4.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/twogame-ban-looms-for-hurley-20100218-ois4.html
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My eldest is 5, and could put on a sad face if need be
Ben the Gooner
19 Feb 2010, 17:50
My eldest is 5, and could put on a sad face if need be
Well that's settled - he's staying.:D
TeamHurley
20 Feb 2010, 07:43
Article on the bombers website.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7247
Essendon CEO Ian Robson has revealed he believes emerging key position player Michael Hurley will be a career Bomber.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7247