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Cousin Jed
26 Feb 2010, 19:38
Link (http://www.cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=news-display&id=20439)

15 players in New Zealand

Michael Clarke (capt)
Travis Birt
Daniel Christian
Brad Haddin (wk)
Ryan Harris
Nathan Hauritz
David Hussey
Michael Hussey
Mitchell Johnson
Dirk Nannes
Steven Smith
Shaun Tait
David Warner
Shane Watson
Cameron White.

Plus the following 15 players

George Bailey
Nathan Bracken
Doug Bollinger
Ben Cutting
Xavier Doherty
John Hastings
Moises Henriques (lulz)
Brad Hodge
James Hopes
Brett Lee
Andrew McDonald
Shaun Marsh
Clint McKay
Tim Paine (wk)
Adam Voges

Strangely this guy (http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7443.html) didn't make the cut. [/qld bias]

damochandler
26 Feb 2010, 19:55
i can't see us winning this thing. winning a few games against the windies, pakistan and the kiwis doesn't turn us into a great 20/20 team

why are they holding another 20/20 wc after just having one less than 12 months ago?

The Lone Wolf
26 Feb 2010, 20:27
Is there any betting for this yet? If so, what are the odds for each team? If not, when does the betting come out?

realsniper09
26 Feb 2010, 20:41
Ryan Harris is missing from the 1st 15.

I think the fast bowlers are set. Very strong. Lee could make the final squad, but it's hard to see who he pushes out.

Unsure about S Smith. Great fielder, but as the 5th bowling option (behind the 4 quick men) and he bats so low wouldn't you'd rather have a more reliable bowler such as Hauritz, though again, he's relatively unproven at Twenty20. Good thing we should be able to sneak a couple overs out of D Hussey.

The other unsure position for me is the number 6 spot. Christian is more of a bowler and if he's in, although a great hitter, there's going to be a bowling overload. If Warner and Watson don't fire, the batting looks a bit vulnerable with Clarke at 3 and an unsteady 6.

Ill Chicken
26 Feb 2010, 20:45
Remove the following players and it might start looking like a decent squad;

Michael Clarke (capt) - Plenty of competent players in the side that can captain and can hold an innings together, ie the Husseys
Travis Birt - Could be a replacement if there is late injury.
George Bailey - Same as above.
Nathan Bracken - Coming back from injury.
Xavier Doherty - Not required.
Moises Henriques (lulz) - Not good enough.
Brett Lee - Same as Bracken.
Shaun Marsh - Hasn't shown any of the form in T20 domestic levels. Injury liability as well.
Adam Voges - Not good enough.

I'd rather see Blizzard and Carseldine in the squad then Voges and Henriques especially.

deledio7
26 Feb 2010, 21:10
Nathan Rimmington should be in NZ. Mind blowing that he isn't rated in the top 30 T20 players in the country.

w00dy
26 Feb 2010, 22:16
I imagine this would be the squad they would send... Same as NZ except Birt and Christian out for Bollinger and Marsh...

Michael Clarke (capt)
Doug Bollinger
Brad Haddin (wk)
Ryan Harris
Nathan Hauritz
David Hussey
Michael Hussey
Mitchell Johnson
Shaun Marsh
Dirk Nannes
Steven Smith
Shaun Tait
David Warner
Shane Watson
Cameron White

if I were a selector, and not looking to the future at all...

Shane Watson
David Warner
Brad Hodge
Cameron White (c)
David Hussey
Brad Haddin
James Hopes
Mitchell Johnson
Nathan Hauritz
Dirk Nannes
Shaun Tait
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Doug Bollinger
Mike Hussey
Dan Christian
Phil Hughes

looking at his record, how is Phil Hughes not in the squad? is it strange that the guy with the extremely unorthodox technique is given a test birth before he's considered for the shorter forms, given his records in both are as good as each other?

Ill Chicken
26 Feb 2010, 22:43
Teams that were most successful teams in the last T20 WC had two spinners.

aussie1st
27 Feb 2010, 06:44
Ryan Harris is missing from the 1st 15.

I think the fast bowlers are set. Very strong. Lee could make the final squad, but it's hard to see who he pushes out.

Unsure about S Smith. Great fielder, but as the 5th bowling option (behind the 4 quick men) and he bats so low wouldn't you'd rather have a more reliable bowler such as Hauritz, though again, he's relatively unproven at Twenty20. Good thing we should be able to sneak a couple overs out of D Hussey.



Smith's fielding is worth a spot, he takes 1 wicket via his spectacular catches and saves at least 10 runs a match. I'd like to see him play as a batter and add another bowler as I'm more than confident he can handle that role.

My side
Warner
Watson
Clarke
Dussey
White
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Lee/Hauritz/Christian/Harris
Nannes
Tait

Rocco Jones
27 Feb 2010, 08:52
No Rimmington is crazy, just shows such little T20 nous from the selectors.

Rimmington is an absolute gun of a T20 player, I would have him in my best Australian T20 XI.

He is a no thrills bowler but a genius when it comes to T20. Look at his bowling in the last FRC game against Victoria at the end of their innings (I know T20 is a different game to ODD but when a side has wickets in hand with 10 overs left it is vary similar).

My team would be:

Warner
Watson
Hodge
White (c)
D.Hussey
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Rimmington
Nannes
Tait
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Just a few points:
Hodge is a deadset T20 gun, clearly in our best 6 T20 bats.

Smith is there more for his fielding than either (not both) his batting or bowling. In T20 some of your XI are often not going to have a bat or a bowl. He offers us power hitting deep in the order but his fielding is perfect for T20.

D.Hussey would be my 1st choice slow bowler in the side.

JUBJUB
27 Feb 2010, 09:41
Rimmington not in and Lee in just makes a joke of the whole thing.Lee hasn't played for months and I gather still won't for awhile,yet Rimmington has been one of the best in the T20 domestic comp.

Smokey_22
27 Feb 2010, 10:27
Those bagging Lees selection:


He came back from injury to play in the 20 20 champions league (2009) and bowled 21 overs 8/79 in the tournament. Strike rate of 3.7. Every other bowlers strike rate was over 6. Also his 48 in the final.

He was unplayable all tournament and is worth the risk to be shortlisted.

Ill Chicken
27 Feb 2010, 12:17
Those bagging Lees selection:


He came back from injury to play in the 20 20 champions league (2009) and bowled 21 overs 8/79 in the tournament. Strike rate of 3.7. Every other bowlers strike rate was over 6. Also his 48 in the final.

He was unplayable all tournament and is worth the risk to be shortlisted.

That's domestic level cricket. He came back from injury in the T20 WC and promptly went the journey.

HBF
27 Feb 2010, 12:20
Rimmington not in and Lee in just makes a joke of the whole thing.Lee hasn't played for months and I gather still won't for awhile,yet Rimmington has been one of the best in the T20 domestic comp.

Really does smack of a thankyou very much Brett Lee, getting a spot in the 30 man squad.

Rocco Jones
27 Feb 2010, 12:31
Those bagging Lees selection:


He came back from injury to play in the 20 20 champions league (2009) and bowled 21 overs 8/79 in the tournament. Strike rate of 3.7. Every other bowlers strike rate was over 6. Also his 48 in the final.

He was unplayable all tournament and is worth the risk to be shortlisted.

I am not anti-Lee being in the squad, I rate him as a T20 player and think he is worth the minimal risk of a spot in a 30 player squad (not sure how much it even means).

Pretty simple one for me; Rimmington in for Henriques. World Cups are about winning not development and selecting Henriques is purely developmental.

Evans2608
27 Feb 2010, 12:41
Remove the following players and it might start looking like a decent squad;

Michael Clarke (capt) - Plenty of competent players in the side that can captain and can hold an innings together, ie the Husseys
Travis Birt - Could be a replacement if there is late injury.
George Bailey - Same as above.
Nathan Bracken - Coming back from injury.
Xavier Doherty - Not required.
Moises Henriques (lulz) - Not good enough.
Brett Lee - Same as Bracken.
Shaun Marsh - Hasn't shown any of the form in T20 domestic levels. Injury liability as well.
Adam Voges - Not good enough.

I'd rather see Blizzard and Carseldine in the squad then Voges and Henriques especially.

Agree with what you posted for the most part besides your comment on Marsh. Besides hitting a century in the latest Big Bash, he averages 42.73 in domestic T20 competitions with a SR of 132.84.

Not a big fan of Michael Clarke in T20's. Doesnt go hard enough with the bat and Cameron White has been an impressive T20 captain.

jk20
27 Feb 2010, 12:55
the selectors must love teasing Hodgey. They are clearly not going to select him as they are going in a different direction. He should be one of the 1st batsmen selected however as he is one of the best 20/20 batsmen in the world.

The Lone Wolf
27 Feb 2010, 12:56
the selectors must love teasing Hodgey. They are clearly not going to select him as they are going in a different direction. He should be one of the 1st batsmen selected however as he is one of the best 20/20 batsmen in the world.

It's a joke, the way they treat Hodge. He's a gun player and should be given a fair go.

Exhale You
27 Feb 2010, 13:04
Henriques? Was it the one wicket at 124, the RPO of more than 10 or the batting average of 17 that got him a gig?

Highly talented but he hasn't even done enough at T20 level this year to lay claim to a NSW berth let alone a spot in our World Cup squad.

Ill Chicken
27 Feb 2010, 13:28
Agree with what you posted for the most part besides your comment on Marsh. Besides hitting a century in the latest Big Bash, he averages 42.73 in domestic T20 competitions with a SR of 132.84.

Not a big fan of Michael Clarke in T20's. Doesnt go hard enough with the bat and Cameron White has been an impressive T20 captain.

Sorry, I mean he hasn't shown any of his form from the T20 domestic cricket in the national side.

peternorth
27 Feb 2010, 14:43
Henriques? Was it the one wicket at 124, the RPO of more than 10 or the batting average of 17 that got him a gig?

Highly talented but he hasn't even done enough at T20 level this year to lay claim to a NSW berth let alone a spot in our World Cup squad.

has he made runs for his district team? if so that's good enough

Ill Chicken
27 Feb 2010, 14:57
has he made runs for his district team? if so that's good enough

He has been killing it. (http://mycricket.cricket.com.au/common/pages/asphost.aspx?loc=/cricket/reports/player.asp&entityid=270&playerid=62682&cbmenu1=on&clubid=270)

JUBJUB
27 Feb 2010, 15:16
Even Mitch Marsh would be a better option than Kerry O'keefes love child [Moses]
Marsh has done more this season in one game than Moses did in all the games he played.

maxrm
27 Feb 2010, 16:16
No doubt Clarke's a great test batsman, but i doubt he's even in our top 30 T20 batsman, but i think the australian selectors are playing him to give him more experience as captain before he takes over from punter.

Hodge's international career for Australia is over imo, selectors just arent interested in playing 35yo batsman in T20 matches. He and Macgill must be 2 of the unluckiest players in the history of the game!

Im surprised many dont rate Marsh as good enough for the side, imo he should bat at 3, so if watson or warner fall early, he's their as a perfect back-up, being able to score quickly or work his way into an innings. I was their at the WACA when he scored his century, and believe me, you'd be crazy to suggest he's not good enough for the side after seeing that.

Smith is a great young talent, but if he's going to bat at 7/8 and only bowl an over in some matches then I think Hauritz should be used for the world cup if were serious about winning it. Will probably have a better economy rate then smith and can also smash it around at the end.

Imo this should be our #1 side for the world cup:

1: Warner
2: Watson
3: S Marsh
4: M Clarke
5: White
6: D Hussey
7: Haddin
8: Johnson
9: Hauritz
10: Harris
11: Tait
12th: S Smith

Oh and have I mentioned M Marsh is a F##### GUN!!!!!! :)

Ill Chicken
27 Feb 2010, 17:22
I'm not saying Marsh isn't good enough, but he hasn't shown any of the explosiveness at international level in comparison to his first IPL series or even recently in the KFC Big Bash.

peternorth
28 Feb 2010, 15:23
No doubt Clarke's a great test batsman, but i doubt he's even in our top 30 T20 batsman, but i think the australian selectors are playing him to give him more experience as captain before he takes over from punter.


agreed.
which is a pretty crap reason to play someone (to give him experience)

Ill Chicken
28 Feb 2010, 16:00
agreed.
which is a pretty crap reason to play someone (to give him experience)

And highlights our lack of respect for the format which can then be attributed to our failures overseas.

peternorth
28 Feb 2010, 16:21
And highlights our lack of respect for the format which can then be attributed to our failures overseas.

finally selectors are starting to understand the need for specialist players.

lol clarke pre game saying the exact same thing.

Ricketts
28 Feb 2010, 18:53
That's domestic level cricket. He came back from injury in the T20 WC and promptly went the journey.

Heh. It's kinda like what happens with Hodge whenever he steps up from domestic cricket to international cricket. Oh the irony.

Ill Chicken
28 Feb 2010, 19:15
Heh. It's kinda like what happens with Hodge whenever he steps up from domestic cricket to international cricket. Oh the irony.

Considering that Hodge made runs the last time he played international cricket for Australia, yes it is.

Cousin Jed
30 Mar 2010, 17:00
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15 players in New Zealand

Michael Clarke (capt)
Travis Birt
Daniel Christian
Brad Haddin (wk)
Ryan Harris
Nathan Hauritz
David Hussey
Michael Hussey
Mitchell Johnson
Dirk Nannes
Steven Smith
Shaun Tait
David Warner
Shane Watson
Cameron White.

Plus the following 15 players

George Bailey
Nathan Bracken
Doug Bollinger
Ben Cutting
Xavier Doherty
John Hastings
Moises Henriques (lulz)
Brad Hodge
James Hopes
Brett Lee
Andrew McDonald
Shaun Marsh
Clint McKay
Tim Paine (wk)
Adam Voges



15 man squad [URL="http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26921246-5013759,00.html"]finalised (http://www.cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=news-display&id=20439)

In: Brett Lee
Out: Travis Birt

Lee's 4 overs 0/39 were obviously impressive

Spikey
30 Mar 2010, 18:25
Amazing M. Hussey is being taken along considering he's been over-looked for like the last 5 games. Still he's better than Birt.

Ill Chicken
30 Mar 2010, 18:47
15 man squad finalised (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26921246-5013759,00.html)

In: Brett Lee
Out: Travis Birt

Lee's 4 overs 0/39 were obviously impressive

If Brett Lee plays, we have no chance.

pluga_4
30 Mar 2010, 19:17
15 man squad finalised (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26921246-5013759,00.html)

In: Brett Lee
Out: Travis Birt

Lee's 4 overs 0/39 were obviously impressive

isn't it

in: lee, paine
out: harris, birt

Cousin Jed
30 Mar 2010, 19:22
Think there's something in the rules about cards for pointing out mod errors.....

I blame the article.

The Falcon Strike
30 Mar 2010, 19:42
Having a 4-prong pace attack of Lee, Tait, Nannes and Johnson would be exciting - like watching the Windies of yesteryear.

Albeit - most of those blokes can only do it for 4 overs

Blue Dimension
30 Mar 2010, 23:00
Solid squad, no complaints there.

You know the squad is strong when Bracken, Harris and Bollinger don't make the cut

holybishop
31 Mar 2010, 01:46
T20 squad shouldnt have anyone over 30, no matter how good they might be, and should have as few members of the ODI and Test side as possible. The internationals barely play much T20 anyway. It's the domestic players who play an entire series. Instead of seeing T20 as another means to add to a bulging bank account, it should be used as the number 1 steping stone for young players to get international exposure and experience in Australian colours.

Damon_3388
31 Mar 2010, 02:05
Does anyone else think Aaron Finch is a bit stiff not to make the squad?

aussie1st
31 Mar 2010, 10:16
Squad of 30 maybe but Finch hasn't been anywhere near the T20 squads so hes obviously not going to be on the plane to WI.

Would love to see us play the 4 speedmen in WI following what WI did in the 80s.

Ill Chicken
31 Mar 2010, 10:41
Lee should be no where near the side. It's ridiculous that he was even considered let alone in the squad.

The other obvious one is, Michael Clarke should not be there,

Dan Christian is also a none option.

Play Smith & Hauritz, plus three quicks. The following side has enough bowling options, batting depth and outright clean hitting ability to be successful T20 team.

1. Watson
2. Warner
3. White
4. Hussey
5. Hussey
6. Haddin
7. Smith
8. Hauritz
9. Johnson
10. Nannes
11. Tait

Cleavy
31 Mar 2010, 11:06
hopefully the pitches are better than the recent Windies-Zimbabwe series

Damon_3388
31 Mar 2010, 11:38
Squad of 30 maybe but Finch hasn't been anywhere near the T20 squads so hes obviously not going to be on the plane to WI.

Oh yea he's a definitely behind a fair few others for the final team, but I would have thought a squad selection to say "we've got our eye on you, keep up the good work" was warranted based on his Big Bash form.

DIG
31 Mar 2010, 11:59
Lee should be no where near the side. It's ridiculous that he was even considered let alone in the squad.

The other obvious one is, Michael Clarke should not be there,

Dan Christian is also a none option.

Play Smith & Hauritz, plus three quicks. The following side has enough bowling options, batting depth and outright clean hitting ability to be successful T20 team.

1. Watson
2. Warner
3. White
4. Hussey
5. Hussey
6. Haddin
7. Smith
8. Hauritz
9. Johnson
10. Nannes
11. Tait
We can still do this with Clarke captaining - just make him 12th man and rotate the dunny breaks to keep him on!

Ill Chicken
31 Mar 2010, 13:31
hopefully the pitches are better than the recent Windies-Zimbabwe series

We'll still more than likely play four quicks and no Hauritz and be bundled out in the first round again.

eddiesmith
31 Mar 2010, 15:14
Squad is a bit disappointing, but as long as they keep playing the best X + Clarke then they should be alright, Lee and Johnson are a worry and if both play then Australia will be out very quickly, heard some say that spinners have done well in the West Indies T20 games? With Watson in the side + Dussey and Clarke, they could play 2 spinners and 2 quicks leaving both Johnson and Lee out

StFly
31 Mar 2010, 15:26
Smith, Dussey and Hauritz won't play in the same test with el capitan Clarke who was called to roll the arm over, Hauritz would have helped himself be picked with his improved batting recently so he'd be given first crack you'd assume while dussey would then fill that part time spin option to get tonked for 40 odd.

Lee being recalled is simply same old same old,wile everyone else has to work for their position the few roll the arm over twice and get in on brownie points from 5 years ago. "While at his best he is one of th best T20 player sinthe world... it's a shame that he hasn't been his best for a few years now, maybe 3, since he gets injured lots, but we're confident that he'll get back to his best, maybe, probably not, but he brings experience!"

Selectors really have to look at that thing called prolonged form and pay more attention to it.

Cleavy
31 Mar 2010, 15:39
Smith, Dussey and Hauritz won't play in the same test with el capitan Clarke who was called to roll the arm over, Hauritz would have helped himself be picked with his improved batting recently so he'd be given first crack you'd assume while dussey would then fill that part time spin option to get tonked for 40 odd.

I'd still assume Smith will be picked before Hauritz

bombersno1
31 Mar 2010, 15:55
Someone tell me how Christian got a gig? Was it his meat pies that sailed over the boundary?

pistonbroke23
31 Mar 2010, 19:53
Someone tell me how Christian got a gig? Was it his meat pies that sailed over the boundary?
Simple answer.Hilditch.This is pure fantasy but if the objective is to teach young cricketers and still win the comp. i would have appointed Warney skipper and forget about Clarke.Play one of the three QLD med pacers or Mackay instead of Lee and Christian,and take Wade and Paine to keep with Haddin retiring from t20 to concentrate on test and Maybe ODIs.Mussey should stick to ODIs and tests and give Bailey a crack.

Damon_3388
31 Mar 2010, 21:40
Squad is a bit disappointing, but as long as they keep playing the best X + Clarke then they should be alright, Lee and Johnson are a worry and if both play then Australia will be out very quickly, heard some say that spinners have done well in the West Indies T20 games? With Watson in the side + Dussey and Clarke, they could play 2 spinners and 2 quicks leaving both Johnson and Lee out

Sulieman Benn took 4/6 in the recent T20 International against Zimbabwe, and the Zimbabwean spinners took a few wickets during the ODI series too.

Ill Chicken
31 Mar 2010, 23:33
Squad is a bit disappointing, but as long as they keep playing the best X + Clarke then they should be alright, Lee and Johnson are a worry and if both play then Australia will be out very quickly, heard some say that spinners have done well in the West Indies T20 games? With Watson in the side + Dussey and Clarke, they could play 2 spinners and 2 quicks leaving both Johnson and Lee out

That has nothing to do with it. In South Africa, Pakistan & India both had specialist spinners plus another part timer, in England, Pakistan & Sri Lanka had two spinners each (Afridi was performing more with the ball than bat).

NSW won in the Champions League in India with Smith & Hauritz.

It just seems completely logical, that you would play at least one full time spinner which the selectors have continued to ignore.

Australia have the perfect opportunity to play Hauritz & Smith because Watson is the fourth quick as required. Regardless of whether Clarke or Hussey are in the side.

I honestly wouldn't have Johnson in the side, but he has to be there because he gets seriously cheap wickets and will be one of the main reasons we struggle to defend the F50 WC.

Scotland
1 Apr 2010, 02:36
No Rimmington is crazy, just shows such little T20 nous from the selectors.

Rimmington is an absolute gun of a T20 player, I would have him in my best Australian T20 XI.

He is a no thrills bowler but a genius when it comes to T20. Look at his bowling in the last FRC game against Victoria at the end of their innings (I know T20 is a different game to ODD but when a side has wickets in hand with 10 overs left it is vary similar).

My team would be:

Warner
Watson
Hodge
White (c)
D.Hussey
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Rimmington
Nannes
Tait
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just a few points:
Hodge is a deadset T20 gun, clearly in our best 6 T20 bats.

Smith is there more for his fielding than either (not both) his batting or bowling. In T20 some of your XI are often not going to have a bat or a bowl. He offers us power hitting deep in the order but his fielding is perfect for T20.

D.Hussey would be my 1st choice slow bowler in the side.

Don't mind that team at all, but your Vic:NSW ratio is non-compliant with CA selection procedure.

Really don't see much benefit in playing test players who aren't T20 guns.

frankrizzo
3 Apr 2010, 09:44
Lee making the final 15 is just too odd to comprehend.

was it it his his recent lack of cricket or any semblance of form in the little he played that tipped the scales in his favour?

Or simply his injury prone 34 year old body that won them over?

I guess it pays to be popular with little kids and sponsors.

bombersno1
3 Apr 2010, 11:27
Lee certainly made it on form..what was it 25 off an over last night...

Northern_Swan
3 Apr 2010, 20:00
I guess it pays to be popular with little kids and sponsors.

^^^
This.

Absolute joke he was picked :thumbsd:

peternorth
6 Apr 2010, 04:07
Lee's good mates with Clarke

the only rationale I can think off

Russian
11 Apr 2010, 20:42
Lee's broken his thumb so looks like he won't be going after all

Ill Chicken
11 Apr 2010, 23:56
Lee's broken his thumb so looks like he won't be going after all

Thanks for the memories.

bombersno1
12 Apr 2010, 00:05
Lee's broken his thumb so looks like he won't be going after all

What a shame...NOT!

Other teams will be disappointed though, his pies are easy to smash!

HSSB
13 Apr 2010, 11:13
Don't know how Lee has gone all wrong, in the Champions League he was amazing and firing, taking wicket after wicket, and now he's just turned, well, ****

peternorth
24 Apr 2010, 16:25
well, clarke has faith in him....

Ill Chicken
24 Apr 2010, 23:52
http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202010/content/current/story/457006.html

Tim Nielsen is a genius.

Doodlesweaver
25 Apr 2010, 01:47
http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202010/content/current/story/457006.html

Tim Nielsen is a genius.

I think that is code for Smith's in the first 11, Hauritz is out meself.

In some ways I more annoyed about Mike Hussey being in the squad. They should have called up another young 'un instead of turning to 34 year old players.

eddiesmith
25 Apr 2010, 01:53
Mike Hussey is a good selection, but surely Australia has realised that an all out pace attack isnt the way? Lee, Johnson, Nannes, Tait and Watson does not win T20 matches

whats_at_stake
25 Apr 2010, 10:04
Mike Hussey is a good selection, but surely Australia has realised that an all out pace attack isnt the way? Lee, Johnson, Nannes, Tait and Watson does not win T20 matches

Yep, spin is the key in Twenty20

frankrizzo
25 Apr 2010, 12:58
We picked a battery of express bowlers and pretty much nothing else; we also picked players like lee based on past deeds, pretty much exactly the same mistakes that saw us bundled out of the first couple of world cups.

I actually thought the recent 20/20 team looked pretty good, stick harris or dougy in for lee and it looks better balanced.

One thing for sure with 20/20 it’s a game for current form over long term reputation, lee simply isn’t one of the top 3-4 bowlers in the country right now not to mention he’s clearly not 100% fit and may never be again.

Blue Dimension
26 Apr 2010, 19:03
Got to wonder with the way Bollinger has been bowling for Chennai... very stiff not to be in the squad ahead of an underdone Lee.

Would take Bolly ahead of Harris even.

Blight von Torp
26 Apr 2010, 21:58
Can't understand how Lee is getting a game over Bollinger. How can you get picked when you've shown zero for 12 months, and the other bloke has been very good in the thick of it. I don't even really like Bollinger with his oversize melon and rug. But this selection is ridiculous.

I would also like to have seen how Clarke would have gone in the IPL. Probably a bit similar to Ganguly IMO.

peternorth
26 Apr 2010, 22:00
lee must have photos of hilditch.

Doodlesweaver
27 Apr 2010, 19:15
But Bolly's domestic record wasn't anything to shout about in 20/20 and the squad had to be named before he was in the IPL. I can understand why he wasn't in it, but taking Lee on next to no practice and after he had performed so horrendously in the IPL was a real risk. But you never know, he might be ok. Our lack of decent spin bowling is a huge problem and I still think they shouldn't be taking Mike Hussey over younger players.

pluga_4
28 Apr 2010, 00:48
how does everyone think we'll line up?

warner, watson, clarke, white, d hussey, m hussey, haddin, smith, johnson, tait, nannes

reserves: lee ,christian, paine, hauritz

Doodlesweaver
28 Apr 2010, 01:09
how does everyone think we'll line up?

warner, watson, clarke, white, d hussey, m hussey, haddin, smith, johnson, tait, nannes

reserves: lee ,christian, paine, hauritz

Warm-up matches they are bound to play Lee first up and in both. They can't chuck him in cold to the tournament, possibly the same reasoning will work with MJ.

Doodlesweaver
28 Apr 2010, 01:11
And just to put a pointless 'if only' in there, I would really have liked to see Andrew Symonds coming in at 6.

Cleavy
28 Apr 2010, 07:17
we lost the warmup match to Zimbabwe! Great team!

Doodlesweaver
28 Apr 2010, 07:30
we lost the warmup match to Zimbabwe! Great team!

Good old captain Clarkey, nurdling for glory. LMAO.

He is incapable of going along at the required rate. I swear if we only had to score 4 runs an over his strike rate would be 25. Ha, ha, ha.

Cousin Jed
28 Apr 2010, 08:25
Lee bowled well though.

pluga_4
28 Apr 2010, 10:18
we lost the warmup match to Zimbabwe! Great team!

yeah it was exactly that though - a warm up match. from memory we lost both warm up matches in the odi world cup 2007 then went undefeated once it started.

still dunno how they lost considering it was a 13 a side game and not giving m hussey and paine a bat ??

tait and white didn't play and i'd say they are certain starters in the XI when the real stuff starts.

m clarke at 3 worries me though with his inability to score quickly but they are committed to playing him. :confused:

hopefully we'll fine tune ourselves in the last warm up game v windward islands tomorrow.

peternorth
28 Apr 2010, 10:21
m clarke at 3 worries me though with his inability to score quickly but they are committed to playing him. :confused:

its a problem. thing is he harps on about having a specialist side yet if selectors were fair dinkum they wouldnt pick him in the 11!

Ill Chicken
28 Apr 2010, 10:45
Lee bowled well though.

He'll take a bag against Winward, be back at his best and then go none for 40 in the opening match.

Clarke forgets his own media; http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty20-2010/content/story/456986.html

Selective Retention
28 Apr 2010, 10:50
If he is going to be an auto selection because he is captain, play him as a spinner and bat him at #9. **** me.

Ill Chicken
28 Apr 2010, 11:16
Apparently Lee is out of the T20 WC. Injured forearm.

Cousin Jed
28 Apr 2010, 11:20
And for the 7th time: that could be the end of Brett's international career.

peternorth
28 Apr 2010, 11:22
Apparently Lee is out of the T20 WC. Injured forearm.

link?

Cousin Jed
28 Apr 2010, 11:25
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27048740-5013759,00.html

Selective Retention
28 Apr 2010, 11:32
Fox have a picture of Clarke and Bingle still up under the Lee article. Good work.

Bombers_Forever
28 Apr 2010, 11:36
And for the 7th time: that could be the end of Brett's international career.

Only 7? ;)

Give it up Brett, it is over.

peternorth
28 Apr 2010, 11:39
Fox have a picture of Clarke and Bingle still up under the Lee article. Good work.


hahaha lol!! :thumbsu:

pluga_4
28 Apr 2010, 11:45
call up doug the rug or harris !!!!!!!! :thumbsu:

peternorth
28 Apr 2010, 11:49
well doug has been brilliant in the ipl. harris done nothing wrong either. will be tough one to pick.

The Falcon Strike
28 Apr 2010, 13:03
Clarke does it again - scoring at a run rate of 116 when the required is 143.

The batsman who got out after him had run rates of 160 and 216 - but got out early? Why? Because Clarke bats so slow that he puts pressure on the other batsman to perform from ball 1.

Based on Clarke's scoring - the rest of the team needed 125 of 78 balls or a scoring rate of 160!

We obviously aren't serious about winning this competition and are in fact using it as a training ground for Clarke's captaincy.

frankrizzo
28 Apr 2010, 13:32
Lee out of the 20/20 with injury, which just proves what we said from the start.

The bloke is finished at this level and was far too big a risk to be picked considering he hasn't been fully fit for more than a month in the last 18 months.

eddiesmith
28 Apr 2010, 14:23
Quite funny losing to Zimbabwe, although it was without their no1 T20 batsman and 2nd best bowler

Shane Watsons getting hit around may be a concern as he is supposed to be one of the more reliable. Find it hard to pick between Smith or Hussey for the final spot, Hussey is a great finisher and very reliable and with Dussey, Clarke and Watson in the top 6, Smiths bowling as a 5th bowler isnt required but he is a very good option, need to drop Clarke, although I suppose you could play Smith instead of Hauritz, but it makes Smiths batting wasted

Warner, Watson, Clarke, Dussey, White, Hussey/Smith, Haddin, Hauritz, Johnson, Nannes, Tait

Ill Chicken
28 Apr 2010, 14:47
Shane Watsons getting hit around may be a concern as he is supposed to be one of the more reliable.

He has got a lot of cheap wickets in the OD/T20 matches previously. Understandably you are going to get cheap wickets, but a lot his wickets where pump short balls pulled out into the deep.

likka
28 Apr 2010, 17:48
LOL at Lee... proxy chairman of selectors, a Mr Wheat Bix, was devastated at the news.

Apparently his form in the nets before this latest injury was phenomenal though.

Earth to Brett... Australian cricket has moved to a better place without you. Take the hint and retire with an ounce of dignity in tact.

Hopefully Dougy is being flown over to the Windies right now. Was the form quick of the IPL and should be in the team.

Doodlesweaver
28 Apr 2010, 18:32
Clarke does it again - scoring at a run rate of 116 when the required is 143.

The batsman who got out after him had run rates of 160 and 216 - but got out early? Why? Because Clarke bats so slow that he puts pressure on the other batsman to perform from ball 1.

Based on Clarke's scoring - the rest of the team needed 125 of 78 balls or a scoring rate of 160!

We obviously aren't serious about winning this competition and are in fact using it as a training ground for Clarke's captaincy.

Couldn't agree more, the sad thing is that with the rest of the squad they looked like they genuinely did put some thought into it... but then they decided that having a drag anchor at 3 was just what the team needed as Clarkey's training schedule for captaincy was far more important than winning an international tournament.

The priority given him over this is just plain rude.

Anyway, Rhino and Dougie will be an interesting one as Rhino can really hit and now that MJ has forgotten which end of the bat to hold, hitters down the order are very welcome.

peternorth
28 Apr 2010, 18:39
stu clark reckons........doug should go

Doodlesweaver
28 Apr 2010, 18:42
stu clark reckons........doug should go

Ha, ha, ha, I bet Symonds reckons Harris should go... and Shaun Marsh reckons his wee bro should be over there.

bombersno1
28 Apr 2010, 19:07
We are a chance of winning it without Lee!

Cleavy
28 Apr 2010, 19:23
It would be an odd lineup with 3 left arm quicks, if Bollinger is sent over as replacement