View Full Version : Umpiring on Saturday - shocking
Getting back to the good ole days of giving the umpires hell.
How about those bounces that were going directly to Geelong players, and they were scoring straight off them... I was ready to rip the railing off my 2nd tier stand and jump 'em.
And what was that holding the ball decision against us in the last quarter? The exact same thing had been happening all day, and then all of a sudden they decided to pay it.
White maggot, indeed.
bunsen burner
11 May 2003, 20:15
It was much better than the Melbourne game.
I thought the decision making was okay, it was just the umpire/s skill errors in bouncing the ball that was wrong.
Dodgy dodgy umpiring.
The bounces were shocking. The holding the ball decision against Fletcher (I think) was in total contradiction to the way the rest of the game went. And Milli deliberate out of bounds was just the wrong decision. Anytime the umps stand out that much they have stuffed it up bigtime. Whoever they were yesterday, they need to kick some dew of the grass next week.
And no way was last week worse than this week. No chance of that.
daddy_4_eyes
11 May 2003, 20:46
Originally posted by llosis
And Milli deliberate out of bounds was just the wrong decision
Milli tried to dodge and weave before crossing the line, despite no opponent being within 5m of him :D
Umpiring was p*ss poor, I dunno how they can have so many *****ups at AFL level yet there are hardly any disputes and local club level. Too much running backwards and over-acting practice and not enough umpiring practice.
The bounce of the ball was terrible!
Black Thunder
11 May 2003, 22:16
the general umpiring was not that bad compared to some of the other games this year, but the bounce of the ball was some of the worst I have ever seen.
What about the mark that Munro was paid late in the game [and goaled] ? Milburn clearly had 2 touches of it.
Is Dean Margett's from WA ?
Bounce of the ball was crap
Munro's mark shouldnt have been paid
Those were my main gripes about the game, McIntoshs deliberate out of bounds was fair, worst acting ive ever seen in my life, he shouldve just let it roll out
Other than that it was OK
Goldenblue
12 May 2003, 11:44
Originally posted by JUBJUB
What about the mark that Munro was paid late in the game [and goaled] ? Milburn clearly had 2 touches of it.
Should never have been paid, but there were dogdy free kicks given both ways and the shoddy bounce downs allowed Geelong 2 easy goals, so it evens itself out in the end.
Originally posted by llosis
And Milli deliberate out of bounds was just the wrong decision.
i was sitting right in front of that when it happened and i thought at the time he would go for that. he made attempt to go anywhere but over the line. i still booed the decision.
the umpiring was of a pretty poor quality but it went both ways. west coast couldn't get a holding the ball decision and geelong got screwed on the munro mark. there was also the mark that was paid to haynes when he lost it on the way down. it was one of the softest marks that I have seen.
The only thing I really thought was bad was the bounce ups. The sooner they have throw ups instead the better IMO. It degrades the sport to have such an advantage given to one side through the incompetency of an umpire, and many games are won/lost by less than a goal.
Goldenblue
12 May 2003, 12:06
Originally posted by Frodo
The only thing I really thought was bad was the bounce ups. The sooner they have throw ups instead the better IMO. It degrades the sport to have such an advantage given to one side through the incompetency of an umpire, and many games are won/lost by less than a goal.
I disagree, I prefer to keep it part of the game.
If the umpire does a shocking bounce, blow the whistle and rebounce it. If the maggot can not get it right, give it to another umpire to bounce it and send the offending maggot back to the bush or to the junior league.
This is what makes our game unique, umpires needing skills to be part of the game.
ScouseCat
12 May 2003, 12:33
Originally posted by JUBJUB
What about the mark that Munro was paid late in the game [and goaled] ? Milburn clearly had 2 touches of it.
And how about the huge push in the back on Tom Harley in the last quarter?? I reckon even blind Freddie would have seen that one, so how the umpire missed it is a mystery.
Those 2 incidents both resulted in goals which changed the game and gave the Eagles the momentum in the last quarter.
The bounce downs were very ordinary to both sides.
Originally posted by ScouseCat
And how about the huge push in the back on Tom Harley in the last quarter?? I reckon even blind Freddie would have seen that one, so how the umpire missed it is a mystery.
Those 2 incidents both resulted in goals which changed the game and gave the Eagles the momentum in the last quarter.
So in other words the umpires cost you the game? :rolleyes:
goaldrush
12 May 2003, 13:13
Originally posted by ozzult
Getting back to the good ole days of giving the umpires hell.
How about those bounces that were going directly to Geelong players, and they were scoring straight off them... I was ready to rip the railing off my 2nd tier stand and jump 'em.
And what was that holding the ball decision against us in the last quarter? The exact same thing had been happening all day, and then all of a sudden they decided to pay it.
White maggot, indeed. Dean Margetts had a shocker as did Mark Fussell.
Thrawn666
12 May 2003, 16:11
Originally posted by Jabber
So in other words the umpires cost you the game? :rolleyes:
Yes its the general vibe ive been picking up too
Nothing to do with the fact we stepped it up when it was needed, and Geelong faded in the final term.
The amount of dubious decisions or non decisions as the case may be that went in geelongs favor all game shouldnt be taken into consideration. Nor the fact that the bounce favored the Geelong ruck and midfield on several occasions.
ScouseCat
12 May 2003, 16:40
Originally posted by Jabber
So in other words the umpires cost you the game? :rolleyes:
Not at all.
The umpiring was not great for both sides throughout the match, and unfortunately for us, the umpire made 2 mistakes which resulted in Eagles goals and changed the course of the game.
I am not saying they directly cost us the game, but momentum is a huge thing in football, especially when you are playing at Subiaco and the game is close.
Originally posted by Jabber
So in other words the umpires cost you the game? :rolleyes:
So we can't mention bad umpiring decisions,but you can. :o :o
Originally posted by JUBJUB
So we can't mention bad umpiring decisions,but you can. :o :o
That's not what I said. Feel free to mention any bad umpiring decisions. When you link them to 'momentum changes' and 'critical goals' though, its tantamount to whingeing IMO.
GoEagles
12 May 2003, 20:39
Originally posted by goaldrush
Dean Margetts had a shocker as did Mark Fussell.
I reckon McKenzie was the worst of the lot to be honest. He seemed to lose confidence after bouncing a few shockers.
I thought the Haynes mark (?) at the city end was very dodgy.
Belgarion
12 May 2003, 20:49
Originally posted by iceman
Bounce of the ball was crap
Munro's mark shouldnt have been paid
Those were my main gripes about the game, McIntoshs deliberate out of bounds was fair, worst acting ive ever seen in my life, he shouldve just let it roll out
Other than that it was OK
I agree with all Iceman has to say. Except that bouncing the ball is an skill error not a judgement error, and it's ok by me. They all even out in the course of a game.
Sometimes the umpies make mistakes, but what's the big deal? They are human just like all of us, and we all make mistakes. Players also make mistakes, coaches make mistakes (with moves, etc). That's all part of what makes footy so exciting in my opinion: the fact that on top of the skill of the players you have a huge chaotic, umpredictable factor given by the bounce of an oval ball, the umpires interpretation of deliberately "fuzzy" rules, etc.
I'm a great fan of the umpires and think is high time we fans start appreciating the enourmous contribution they make to the game. Without them we wouldn't have a game.
Belgarion
Originally posted by GoEagles
I thought the Haynes mark (?) at the city end was very dodgy.
I think a free was actually paid because Scarlett put his hand on Haynes shoulder.
Is the city end to the left of the TV screen ?
Originally posted by JUBJUB
I think a free was actually paid because Scarlett put his hand on Haynes shoulder.
Is the city end to the left of the TV screen ?
Yes it is.
goaldrush
13 May 2003, 10:20
Originally posted by JUBJUB
What about the mark that Munro was paid late in the game [and goaled] ? Milburn clearly had 2 touches of it.
Is Dean Margett's from WA ? Yep he is and I agree with ya, he's a shocker
goaldrush
13 May 2003, 10:21
Originally posted by GoEagles
I reckon McKenzie was the worst of the lot to be honest. He seemed to lose confidence after bouncing a few shockers.
I thought the Haynes mark (?) at the city end was very dodgy. They were all shocking.
Originally posted by goaldrush
They were all shocking.
Thank you for your valuable input
bunsen burner
13 May 2003, 17:37
Originally posted by llosis
And no way was last week worse than this week. No chance of that.
Originally posted by llosis
Depends what your teams need is.
At West Coast we don't need a Powell with Matera and Sampi.
Credibility is something to be desired.
GoEagles
13 May 2003, 19:52
Originally posted by goaldrush
They were all shocking.
Had no problems with Fussell - just the other 2 really lowered the standard of umpiring in that game.
Originally posted by Belgarion
Sometimes the umpies make mistakes, but what's the big deal? They are human just like all of us, and we all make mistakes. Players also make mistakes, coaches make mistakes (with moves, etc). That's all part of what makes footy so exciting in my opinion: the fact that on top of the skill of the players you have a huge chaotic, umpredictable factor given by the bounce of an oval ball, the umpires interpretation of deliberately "fuzzy" rules, etc.
I'm a great fan of the umpires and think is high time we fans start appreciating the enourmous contribution they make to the game. Without them we wouldn't have a game.
Belgarion
Well said. Players make many more unforced errors (as a fraction of total possessions) than umpires do (as a fraction of total decisions). Surely Aussie Rules would have to be one of the hardest games in the world to umpire - a lot of decisions are far from black and white and are left to the umpire's discretion (holding the ball, what constitutes a mark, 50m penalties, interference in the marking contest etc. etc. etc.). And of those that are relatively clear, the umpires can't pay them to the letter of the law or the game would be worse off for it (e.g. the 5 m rule in a marking contest). Like everyone, I get angry at poor decisions (as Geelong supporters no doubt did when Munro was paid the mark), but I don't dwell on them. I can't recall the Eagles ever being the better side but losing a game due to poor umpiring (McIntosh WAS holding the ball against the Saints, unfortunately :( )
goaldrush
14 May 2003, 13:40
Originally posted by GoEagles
Had no problems with Fussell - just the other 2 really lowered the standard of umpiring in that game. They were all shocking. Saw the tape and will be chatting to them tonight at training.
I was watching the rd 5 derby tape yesterday (and very good viewing it was, too :cool: ) and was sorta keeping an eye on some of the dodgy decisions. When you see a really blatantly bad decision, the general cliche is that 'they missed it'. Except, in at least two of the most blatant non-calls, Judd's clear holding-the-ball and Pavlich's choke hold on Kerr, if you watch the replay, the umpire is actually in the correct place- there is no way they possibly could have missed it.
In the latter example, Pav is on the ground next to Kerr, and he puts an arm around his neck and actually flips him across his body- so basically, he executes a judo throw via the neck- I think Cometti called it a 'almost a submission maneouver'. Okay, no worries, these things happen in footy, free kick. Except there wasn't. In the close up shot of it, you can see the umpire crouched in classic 'play watching mode', looking directly at Pavlich and Kerr the entire time the incident happens. The only possible explanations are either the umpire saw someone get picked up by their neck and thrown to the ground, and made a conscious decision that it WASN'T a free kick. Or possibly they were just in lala land, and not paying any attention to what they were watching.
So how do you explain that? how can someone possibly be umpiring AFL standard when they either can't interpret the most elementary of rules, or can't concentrate on what it is they're looking at?
Originally posted by Qidds
I can't recall the Eagles ever being the better side but losing a game due to poor umpiring (McIntosh WAS holding the ball against the Saints, unfortunately :( )
1996, Round 5 v Carlton - but it was a goal umpire that couldn't tell Chris Waterman's fist from Greg Williams boot that never got closer than 2m from the ball. 1 point loss. But I digress.....
Actually, I prefer to blame Williams the dirty, dirty cheat.
carneagles
14 May 2003, 20:59
Originally posted by Qidds
I can't recall the Eagles ever being the better side but losing a game due to poor umpiring (McIntosh WAS holding the ball against the Saints, unfortunately :( ) The trouble was that it was about the only HTB they paid for the whole day, from memory. I remember that game especially as I was with a Saints-supporting mate at the time, who thought it was all a great lark. As you would.
I do tend to agree with the balance of your post, and for what it's worth I don't think the umpiring is anywhere near as bad as it was 10 - 15 years ago. That won't stop me from calling the maggots rude names, of course.
bunsen burner
14 May 2003, 21:01
Originally posted by Mr Q
1996, Round 5 v Carlton - but it was a goal umpire that couldn't tell Chris Waterman's fist from Greg Williams boot that never got closer than 2m from the ball. 1 point loss. But I digress.....
Actually, I prefer to blame Williams the dirty, dirty cheat. Tony Evans I think it was. Williams signalled to the goal umpire that he had kicked it. The umpire definately lost us that game.
bunsen burner
14 May 2003, 21:03
Originally posted by goaldrush
They were all shocking. Saw the tape and will be chatting to them tonight at training. Make sure they don't go unpunished. You tell 'em Suze. You big umpiring guru you.
carneagles
14 May 2003, 21:06
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Tony Evans I think it was. Yup. Williams (or "Fatty Lamb's Bitch" as he is better known) was featured on one of those "memorable moments" segments having a good old chuckle about it. Prick.
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Tony Evans I think it was. Williams signalled to the goal umpire that he had kicked it. The umpire definately lost us that game.
Evans maybe, a fist certainly.
Of course that doesn't change the fact that Williams was the biggest dirty, cheating scum of the earth. Had the umpires in his pocket until he did the most blatant ump bump of history. The fact he has Brownlow Medals is proof they should drop the fairest component of it. My most hated ever player. Scum, scum, scum.
Originally posted by Mr Q
1996, Round 5 v Carlton - but it was a goal umpire that couldn't tell Chris Waterman's fist from Greg Williams boot that never got closer than 2m from the ball. 1 point loss. But I digress.....
Actually, I prefer to blame Williams the dirty, dirty cheat.
Mick still does! Actually it was a Tony Evans boot, but the point's well made. That decision probably cost us the game - I stand corrected. It was a fair effort by the Eagles considering Symmons kept Kouta to a lazy 37 possessions (or thereabouts). Those two 1-point losses to Carlton (also 1995 at Subi) are possibly amongst the most painful Wrensted-free losses that I can remember!