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Carlos
12 May 2003, 20:11
Dunno if there's already been discussion about them yet, but i had a lok back the last few weeks and didnt see one (mind you, due to the merged boards, it makes it a much harder ask... BOOOOH Bluey, BOOOOOH!!!)

Anyway, to any old Pumpkins fans or anyone who has picked up this album, what are people's impressions of Billy Corgan's latest project: Zwan and their debute album "Mary Star of the Sea"?

I was a big Smashing Pumpkins fan but was never a huge wrap for Billy Corgan or his voice. While Corgan was a very good song writer, and to this day Siamese Dream remains one of my most influential and favourite albums, Jimmy Chamberlin made that band IMO, and to be honest he was the only reason i continued buying Smashing Pumpkin albums (not including Ava Adore obviously). But that band's best work was certainly left long behind it in the early 90's IMO.

Anyway, i was very interested when Zwan's first single, "Honestly" came out and was pleasantly suprised. With Chamberlin's unmistakable groove obviously the driving force in this project, i immediately purchased the album, but due to various distractions of late, have only really emmersed myself in it the last few weeks.

And i'm a big fan of it. Corgan was in some very good song writing form by the sounds of things. Theres a couple of predictably self indulgent Corgan moments, but all in all it seems he has for the most part removed that massive chip from his shoulder and re-discovered the joy of making music and writing more positive and less tedious tunes.

And Paz Lenchantin, former bass player for A Perfect Circle, was an excellent choice for this project. Terrific player is Paz. Wonderfully flowing and tasteful, and the production does her great playing a heap of justice. But where she really stands out is with her delightfully harmonic voice which thankfully provides the perfect foil for Corgan's whine, making it almost palatable.

And Jimmy Chamberlin's performance is breathtaking. Its like Corgan has basically told him to just play whatever he wants and just express himself like in the Pumpkins early 90's hey day. What a player!! Absolute chop-miester but still so very tasteful and takes all of Corgan's compositions to a level only he could, although sometimes the drum sound is a little too far back in the mix. But it is one of those albums best cranked up as loud as possible, and thats when the production really comes into its own, particularly with 3 guitar parts in most songs, courtesy of David Pajo, Matt Sweeny and of course Corgan.

All in its a very strong release. Anyone out there got it?

Nic
12 May 2003, 22:04
Ain't got, in fact, only song I've heard is Honestly, but that's nearly enough to make me go out and buy the album.

Darky
13 May 2003, 09:01
I don't know if you've got the Honestly single, knackers, but you've failed to mention one of the added tracks is a cover of Iron Maiden's Number Of The Beast.

Quite an interesting interpretation!

PrideofSA
13 May 2003, 12:35
That album is on my to buy list too...Heard a few tracks....sounds good.

mattyc2422
13 May 2003, 18:47
I have the album and it's tops! I loved the Pumpkins and while the Zwan project is a bit of a change of pace, it's a great album.
"Lyric" is one of my favourites, but the entire CD is a great listen.

Agreed on Paz, Carlos. She's mega-talented and her influence is great.

As soon as I saw the Honestly song on Channel V, I knew I needed the Album...I just had to wait for it to be released. ;)

coxon
20 May 2003, 00:00
was on sale at jb hi-fi for $14.95...

tho, wasnt tempted to buy it at all..

for that price, for it me was a choice between zwan, prince's greatest hits (3cds) or selwyn's debut cd... (j/k)...

hmm.. couldnt decide so i left...

Porthos
21 May 2003, 16:59
I got it, and I'm pretty disappointed. Its like a twinkly version of siamese dream that hasn't developed.

Strike West
21 May 2003, 17:06
lyric video is cringeworthy.
beret and scarf? billy what were you thinking.

Carlos
21 May 2003, 19:24
Originally posted by Porthos
I got it, and I'm pretty disappointed. Its like a twinkly version of siamese dream that hasn't developed.
I guess i was expecting alot worse, and hence have been pleasantly suprised by Zwan.

It does get better with every listen, but i can understand the "twinkly" comment. Corgan's definately alot happeir and at peace with life if these tunes/lyrics are any indication.

And i guess that kinda gives it a bit of a fluffier, shallower vibe than the angst laden stuff he used to churn out with the Pumpkins before they ran off the rails (Mellencolly was that point IMO).

I still dig the album though, after thrashing it for the last coupla weeks. Musically it is terrific, and i have fallen in love with Paz as a musician (and she is a hotty to boot!!).