View Full Version : Hawthorn down to 1 Ruckman
Just heard that the Great White Hope, Wayde Skipper, has gone down with a knee injury for approximately 2 months.
This leaves Brent Renouf as their sole senior ruckman. People still think they're going to return to the top this year? :rolleyes:
Hawks to miss the 8, again. Wonder how Big Bad Busting Brown will handle the news..
http://www.themercury.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2009/08/30/Hawks1.jpg
Poor thread tbh. Never happy when someone gets injured.
Unless it's a Carlton player
and i only just put him on my SC bench today......
Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely feel for Skipper. By all reports he was unlucky at stages not to get a game with the dogs over the last few years. Now he's down with injury, which really sucks for the guy.
Hawthorn, however, I could not care less about. Karma, to be honest.
not sure its worth a toast though,,,,in bad taste...
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!
17 Mar 2010, 16:58
there ****ed
not sure its worth a toast though,,,,in bad taste...Toasting that Hawthorn are done, not that Skipper's injured.
Again, condolences to Skipper.
Hawthorn? Why should I care.
Toasting that Hawthorn are done, not that Skipper's injured.
Again, condolences to Skipper.
Hawthorn? Why should I care.
im a karma believer... :D just dont want to jinx our ruckman after the year we had with them last year! they are just getting fit again!!
Skeeta Olly
17 Mar 2010, 17:11
Harsh thread.
Bad luck for Skipper. Looked like he had a chance with Taylor going down, but this injury stings.
Also, for those writing Hawthorn off, look what we did last year with 1 ruckman.
eth-dog
17 Mar 2010, 17:14
but we had Bellchambers playing half the time, they have Renouf and no-one else. See the difference? Plus Ryder is 10 times the player Renouf is
muzz777
17 Mar 2010, 17:14
Awesome
just reading on the hawks forum, they are saying maybe roughead is an option, in that case i suppose they wouldnt mind another goal kicking forward like a mark williams?
Ludwig van Bertstare
17 Mar 2010, 17:25
Bad luck Skipper
Haha Hawthorn.
just reading on the hawks forum, they are saying maybe roughead is an option, in that case i suppose they wouldnt mind another goal kicking forward like a mark williams?
:thumbsu::thumbsu:
Oh and by the way Whomb, the threads fine :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Just be carefull, Campbell Brown might slap you on the shoulder with a mean look on his face.
just reading on the hawks forum, they are saying maybe roughead is an option, in that case i suppose they wouldnt mind another goal kicking forward like a mark williams?That's the spirit.
Bad luck Skipper
Haha Hawthorn.Exactly.
:thumbsu::thumbsu:
Oh and by the way Whomg, the threads fine :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Just be carefull, Campbell Brown might slap you on the shoulder with a mean look on his face.:D Even worse, he might wait until he's running off the ground and start taunting our benched players who are unable to retaliate.
Skeeta Olly
17 Mar 2010, 17:34
but we had Bellchambers playing half the time, they have Renouf and no-one else. See the difference? Plus Ryder is 10 times the player Renouf is
Half the time?
He played 6 games.
Buddy and the Hawk
17 Mar 2010, 17:38
Thanks for the good wishes guys. Looking forward to round 6 against you guys, Wayde might even be back by then, but if not, good test for Twister against your boys.
i know im into the real spirit now, just had to pretend i felt sorry earlier... :)
they are the ones that are copping the karma, with the Lloyd bashings and the cocky supporters and the Campbell brown, (do you think he might see the number 18 in round 6 and think its Lloyd still when he kicks a bag against them??)
The_Axeman
17 Mar 2010, 17:46
but we had Bellchambers playing half the time, they have Renouf and no-one else. See the difference? Plus Ryder is 10 times the player Renouf is
Hmmm, really? Renouf SMASHED Ryder in the Ruck in Rnd 22.
Hmmm, really? Renouf SMASHED Ryder in the Ruck in Rnd 22.
ryder was a very very tired boy by round 22 :)
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of *****.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 18:13
Karma, to be honest.
Karma for what? :confused:
Frothies Mcveigh
17 Mar 2010, 18:13
Melbourne might be half a chance.
Stay classy dons :thumbsu:
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 18:15
just reading on the hawks forum, they are saying maybe roughead is an option, in that case i suppose they wouldnt mind another goal kicking forward like a mark williams?
Long bow.
Garry Moss has been promoted to the senior list and will most likely fill Williams' role.
Not sure we're lacking anything in the forward line either way.
theboxmike
17 Mar 2010, 18:24
Hmmm, really? Renouf SMASHED Ryder in the Ruck in Rnd 22.
yes but ryder was extremely tired
Hille + a Fit ryder should easily beat Hawthorns Rucking stocks when their full, let alone with just Renouf
Not sure we're lacking anything in the forward line either way.You're right, the forward line isn't the problem.
The ruck division is atrocious, even with all the injured players, and the backline serviceable at best. Your midfield and forward line would want to take it up another notch in 2010.
Karma for what? :confused:
the ones who dont know why the deserve Karma get it the worst :)
nickh32
17 Mar 2010, 18:28
Hes not going to do any damage but will help the hawks is a boy from my old school cgs cass of 09 in Luke Lowden. Picke up as a bottom age recruit in 08.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 18:29
You're right, the forward line isn't the problem.
The ruck division is atrocious, even with all the injured players, and the backline serviceable at best. Your midfield and forward line would want to take it up another notch in 2010.
Really? After finishing 9th and losing most of our rucks, you think our midfield and forward line need to take it up a notch..
Stunning insight. :)
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 18:32
the ones who dont know why the deserve Karma get it the worst :)
No real answer? I was expecting something to do with toxic waste dumps or seal clubbing.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 18:34
Hes not going to do any damage but will help the hawks is a boy from my old school cgs cass of 09 in Luke Lowden. Picke up as a bottom age recruit in 08.
The LL looks promising, however he is on the long term injury list at the moment.
Buddy and the Hawk
17 Mar 2010, 18:35
Hes not going to do any damage but will help the hawks is a boy from my old school cgs cass of 09 in Luke Lowden. Picke up as a bottom age recruit in 08.
Lowden is unfortunately still coming back from Shoulder surgery and until he puts on some kgs couldn't really be taken onto an AFL field, as he could break in half at any moment. Grimley would be a better bet.
No real answer? I was expecting something to do with toxic waste dumps or seal clubbing.
well i already mentioned it 4posts earlier didnt feel the need to repeat myself
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 18:38
Lowden is unfortunately still coming back from Shoulder surgery and until he puts on some kgs couldn't really be taken onto an AFL field, as he could break in half at any moment. Grimley would be a better bet.
I am reluctant to have Roughy runnning in the ruck, especially after he twinged his knee the other day.
I say we toss Grimley or Peterson in the deep end and see how they go.
Buddy and the Hawk
17 Mar 2010, 18:43
I am reluctant to have Roughy runnning in the ruck, especially after he twinged his knee the other day.
I say we toss Grimley or Peterson in the deep end and see how they go.
Peterson would be taking the small ruckman to a ridiculous point, but eh, gotta try something
Really? After finishing 9th and losing most of our rucks, you think our midfield and forward line need to take it up a notch..
Stunning insight. :)I'm slightly surprised you had to come to me for insight on your own club.
On a more serious note, considering names are being thrown up, who would you expect to be 2nd ruck; Peterson, Grimley?
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 18:47
Peterson would be taking the small ruckman to a ridiculous point, but eh, gotta try something
I'm only going by reports and a couple of pics on BF but he has apparently got a fair leap on him.
Grimley may get monstered but as long as Mitchell and co work on sharking....
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 18:50
I'm slightly surprised you had to come to me for insight on your own club.
On a more serious note, considering names are being thrown up, who would you expect to be 2nd ruck; Peterson, Grimley?
Yes. Read the posts right above yours.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you.
Buddy and the Hawk
17 Mar 2010, 18:52
I'm slightly surprised you had to come to me for insight on your own club.
On a more serious note, considering names are being thrown up, who would you expect to be 2nd ruck; Peterson, Grimley?
I'm only going by reports and a couple of pics on BF but he has apparently got a fair leap on him.
Grimley may get monstered but as long as Mitchell and co work on sharking....
I've got a feeling that they'll go Peterson, just for the fact that if it isn't working Peterson can contribute more around the ground. If we're gonna use Grimley we're probably just as well off throwing anybody over 190cm in to negate
The_Axeman
17 Mar 2010, 18:56
yes but ryder was extremely tired
Hille + a Fit ryder should easily beat Hawthorns Rucking stocks when their full, let alone with just Renouf
ryder was a very very tired boy by round 22 :)
Ummm, are you guys for real?
Yes. Read the posts right above yours.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you.LOL. Your post read "I say we..." That's not exactly news out of the club now, is it.
Fortunately for me your lack of comprehension skills aren't a trait shared by all of your fellow posters.
Ummm, are you guys for real?You don't agree that on 100% fitness, Hille & Ryder is better than Renouf & Bailey?
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 19:07
LOL. Your post read "I say we..." That's not exactly news out of the club now, is it.
No. Never said it was. It was my opinion.
When I am quoted and a question is asked, I'll usually try and answer it, unless I already have.
I've got a feeling that they'll go Peterson, just for the fact that if it isn't working Peterson can contribute more around the ground. If we're gonna use Grimley we're probably just as well off throwing anybody over 190cm in to negate
It may depend on the opposing ruck. I agree Peterson is the first option, but if he seriously struggles the experience will do Grimley a world of good...
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 19:11
Long bow.
Garry Moss has been promoted to the senior list and will most likely fill Williams' role.
Not sure we're lacking anything in the forward line either way.
Yep. Moss with his 9 career goals is really going to fill Williams shoes.
Sort of like Shoenmakers with his 2 contested marks.
After all the crap that the hawks dished out to the dons about getting smashed and having no ruckman against adelaide.
Karmas a bit*h :thumbsu::D
eth-dog
17 Mar 2010, 19:16
You don't agree that on 100% fitness, Hille & Ryder is better than Renouf & Bailey?
Whomb, you're being unfair. Hille & Ryder would beat any ruck combo at 100% fitness, depending on how well NicNat would do against us
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 19:18
Whomb, you're being unfair. Hille & Ryder would beat any ruck combo at 100% fitness, depending on how well NicNat would do against us
They'd go close. North too.
Has Hille had a full pre-season?
yodellinhank
17 Mar 2010, 19:20
You don't agree that on 100% fitness, Hille & Ryder is better than Renouf & Bailey?
Oh no Whomb. You're forgetting that day Renouf "smashed" Ryder. Yep.
Round 22 2009
Player_____Kicks____H-Balls___Disposals__Marks___HO__HO to Advantage
Renouf _____ 1 ______ 11 ______ 12 _____ 1 ____ 33 ____ 14
Ryder ______ 8 ______ 5 _______ 13 _____ 2 ____ 24 ____ 10
Source: http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=5043&Code=67d15f338ec57ea43a0c603a0d9d80eb
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2009&sp=SE&rt=LA&fc=D10
Yep. With smashings like that, I shudder to think of Renouf's stats when he breaks even with a bloke.
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 19:23
Oh no Whomb. You're forgetting that day Renouf "smashed" Ryder. Yep.
Yep. With smashings like that, I shudder to think of Renouf's stats when he breaks even with a bloke.
Yodellinhank dont get carried away with reality and statistics.
Hawks dont deal with that sort of stuff very well.
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2010, 19:24
Removed the "toast" tag - it will just lead to bad things.
Be careful (especially Hawthorn fans) to keep to the topic at hand. If anyone starts slagging off Essendon players (Ryder v Renouf comparisons like that are fine, "lulz Nagel is fatz lulz" is not), I'll throw around some red cards.
Having said that, keep any semi-serious stuff in here - don't let it spill over into other threads.
Have fun.:)
2Sewell4School
17 Mar 2010, 19:27
Oh no Whomb. You're forgetting that day Renouf "smashed" Ryder. Yep.
Round 22 2009
Player_____Kicks____H-Balls___Disposals__Marks___HO__HO to Advantage
Renouf _____ 1 ______ 11 ______ 12 _____ 1 ____ 33 ____ 14
Ryder ______ 8 ______ 5 _______ 13 _____ 2 ____ 24 ____ 10
Source: http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=5043&Code=67d15f338ec57ea43a0c603a0d9d80eb
Yep. With smashings like that, I shudder to think of Renouf's stats when he breaks even with a bloke.
speaks for itself really.
Renouf clearly beat Ryder that day according to the stats,
Terrible thread BTW.
They'd go close. North too.
Has Hille had a full pre-season?Pretty much. No interruptions, although they resisted in playing him too much too early coming back from the reconstruction.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 19:32
Yodellinhank dont get carried away with reality and statistics.
Hawks dont deal with that sort of stuff very well.
You dont need stats to prove Hille + Ryder are a better combo than Renouf + Grimley/Peterson. Anyone with a football brain should know this.
Although I'm not sure how the stats hank did bother to collect help in any way.... Looks to me like Renouf did beat Ryder that day...
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 19:33
Pretty much. No interruptions, although they resisted in playing him too much too early coming back from the reconstruction.
Good enough for me. He's a DT bargain if he can stay on the park.
Now that the 'toast' label has been removed, does that mean this is just a discussion on Hawthorn rucks on the Essendon board?
How warm and fuzzy
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 19:36
well i already mentioned it 4posts earlier didnt feel the need to repeat myself
Something about smug supporters and Campbell Brown, but even this wasn't explained.
Lloyd got what he deserved, both the damage to his rep , and the weeks from the tribunal. Lloyd bashings are no reason for karmic realignment.
Good enough for me. He's a DT bargain if he can stay on the park.
Now that the 'toast' label has been removed, does that mean this is just a discussion on Hawthorn rucks on the Essendon board?
How warm and fuzzy
i think its about 1 ruckman, not plural...
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 19:41
Whomb, you're being unfair. Hille & Ryder would beat any ruck combo at 100% fitness, depending on how well NicNat would do against us
Hille's not a great tap ruckman.
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 19:41
You dont need stats to prove Hille + Ryder are a better combo than Renouf + Grimley/Peterson. Anyone with a football brain should know this.
Although I'm not sure how the stats hank did bother to collect help in any way.... Looks to me like Renouf did beat Ryder that day...
You dont need stats to prove that Ryder is better than Renouf. Anyone with a football brain should know this.
But here are the stats anyway.
Renouf 2009 averages
hitouts 14
tackles 3.1
disposals 8.7
Marks 2
goals 0.1
Ryder 2009 averages
hitouts 20.2
tackles 4.7
disposals 12.5
marks 3.4
goals 0.6
Anyone with a football brain would see significantly more upside in Ryder than Renouf.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 19:44
You dont need stats to prove that Ryder is better than Renouf. Anyone with a football brain should know this.
But here are the stats anyway.
Renouf 2009 averages
hitouts 14
tackles 3.1
disposals 8.7
Marks 2
goals 0.1
Ryder 2009 averages
hitouts 20.2
tackles 4.7
disposals 12.5
marks 3.4
goals 0.6
Anyone with a football brain would see significantly more upside in Ryder than Renouf.
Are you that insecure that you feel the need to post stats up for someone who agrees with you?
eth-dog
17 Mar 2010, 19:44
Hille's not a great tap ruckman.
Hille's a better tap ruckman than Skipper, Renouf, Bailey, Taylor etc.
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 19:48
Are you that insecure that you feel the need to post stats up for someone who agrees with you?
Wasn't so much for you chunky. Just a bit over Hawks fans hanging their hats on one match where Renouf slightly pipped ryder.
Im glad that we can agree.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 19:50
Hille's a better tap ruckman than Skipper, Renouf, Bailey, Taylor etc.
He's a better tap than Skipper.
Renouf already averages 13 hitouts a game to Hille's 14, despite the big age and experience difference. Taylor is a much better tap ruckman than Hille. Bailey even more so.
Hille's strength is his mobility and versatility.
Erwin Fletcher
17 Mar 2010, 19:53
Whilst I do nto support either team, I find this thread to be extremley distasteful. To actually "toast" someone who is has been injured whilst getting a 2nd chance to play AFL is a disgrace.
I am surprised the mods are letting this thread continue as it is. I personally think threads like this give big footy a bad name.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 19:54
Wasn't so much for you chunky. Just a bit over Hawks fans hanging their hats on one match where Renouf slightly pipped ryder.
Im glad that we can agree.
Are those stats exclusive to the hitouts each player earnt on the other? As I recall Ryder rucked against Roughead and Hodge a few times.
Watch the game. Renouf beat him soundly.
Skeeta Olly
17 Mar 2010, 20:00
Are those stats exclusive to the hitouts each player earnt on the other? As I recall Ryder rucked against Roughead and Hodge a few times.
Watch the game. Renouf beat him soundly.
Good on him.
Essendon won. That's all I care about.
Are those stats exclusive to the hitouts each player earnt on the other? As I recall Ryder rucked against Roughead and Hodge a few times.
Watch the game. Renouf beat him soundly.
dont worry about round 22 anymore, its in the past,,, ryder will beat him in round 6, pretty sure lloyd only got 4weeks by the way
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 20:04
Are those stats exclusive to the hitouts each player earnt on the other? As I recall Ryder rucked against Roughead and Hodge a few times.
Watch the game. Renouf beat him soundly.
Hooker also rucked for essendon in round 22... As I recall Renouf rucked against Hooker. And hooker got 5 hitouts. Cant imagine that they had too many contests so I guess I can say that Hooker broke even or had the better of Renouf.
I dont disagree that Renouf beat Ryder in round 22. If you watch the footage he had his number.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 20:05
Hille's a better tap ruckman than Skipper, Renouf, Bailey, Taylor etc.
Taylor's tapwork is actually very good, he is very underrated in that department.
Unfortunately his skills with the ball in hand are where he lets himself down.
Wasn't so much for you chunky. Just a bit over Hawks fans hanging their hats on one match where Renouf slightly pipped ryder.
As opposed the Essendon fans hanging their hat on a newly recruited backup going down injured... ;)
Besides, I dont think many are, it was the last game Renouf played...
Whilst I do nto support either team, I find this thread to be extremley distasteful. To actually "toast" someone who is has been injured whilst getting a 2nd chance to play AFL is a disgrace.
I am surprised the mods are letting this thread continue as it is. I personally think threads like this give big footy a bad name.You must've missed this post:Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely feel for Skipper. By all reports he was unlucky at stages not to get a game with the dogs over the last few years. Now he's down with injury, which really sucks for the guy.
Hawthorn, however, I could not care less about. Karma, to be honest.And this:Toasting that Hawthorn are done, not that Skipper's injured.
Again, condolences to Skipper.
Hawthorn? Why should I care.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:07
dont worry about round 22 anymore, its in the past,,, ryder will beat him in round 6, pretty sure lloyd only got 4weeks by the way
Lloyd said 6 weeks himself on SEN today.
Someone needed to explain the bump rule to him - he clearly doesn't understand it. But neither do a lot of the media types. It's frustrating, although every now and then Adrian Anderson comes on and explains it for one particular AFL radio jock. But there are plenty more who have NFI about it.
Lloyd said 6 weeks himself on SEN today.
Someone needed to explain the bump rule to him - he clearly doesn't understand it. But neither do a lot of the media types. It's frustrating, although every now and then Adrian Anderson comes on and explains it for one particular AFL radio jock. But there are plenty more who have NFI about it.
well if we are talking before the guilty plea then pretty sure hall got 10weeks..
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:10
Hooker also rucked for essendon in round 22... As I recall Renouf rucked against Hooker. And hooker got 5 hitouts. Cant imagine that they had too many contests so I guess I can say that Hooker broke even or had the better of Renouf.
I dont disagree that Renouf beat Ryder in round 22. If you watch the footage he had his number.
True, Hooker had a good run of a few hitouts against us. It was surprising given that he's only a chop-out for Ryder.
The Roof was the dominant ruckman on the day, and has been so in all his NAB Challenge matches this year. Hope he can keep it up.
Now that the 'toast' label has been removed, does that mean this is just a discussion on Hawthorn rucks on the Essendon board?
How warm and fuzzy:( I guess so.
:p
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 20:15
:( I guess so.
:p
Way to poke the hornets nest whomb :p
Do you guys start threads about all clubs and their injuries or just Hawthorn?
TeamHurley
17 Mar 2010, 20:20
Do you guys start threads about all clubs and their injuries or just Hawthorn?
Do you guys whinge and cry for an entire off season every year because of one little bump or was it just this one?
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:22
well if we are talking before the guilty plea then pretty sure hall got 10weeks..
We're not.
We're talking before the early plea. Not sure that Hall got the luxury of an early plea given that it went to the tribunal.
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2010, 20:22
Incidentally, Hodgey, your sig is flawed.
It should be Hall 10 weeks, Lloyd 6 weeks, or Hall 7 weeks, Lloyd 4 weeks.
7 weeks was with the guilty plea, 6 weeks was before the guilty plea.
We wouldn't want to let the facts get marred in the hunt for a story would we?
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:24
Do you guys whinge and cry for an entire off season every year because of one little bump or was it just this one?
Nothing compared to the whingeing that has been going on for 5 years over Campbell Brown sniping Winderlich.
An incident which didn't even happen, going by the evidence and the charge at the tribunal.
If we're talking whinges, that takes the cake.
And a toast to Whomb for attracting unwanted Hawthorn posters to our board.
A fine effort indeed. :p
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:32
Incidentally, Hodgey, your sig is flawed.
It should be Hall 10 weeks, Lloyd 6 weeks, or Hall 7 weeks, Lloyd 4 weeks.
7 weeks was with the guilty plea, 6 weeks was before the guilty plea.
We wouldn't want to let the facts get marred in the hunt for a story would we?
We'll just compare it with the infamous Leigh Matthews incident which also earnt 4 weeks. Both dog acts.
I don't mind Hawthorn supporters on here and stuff, but isn't everyone sick of talking about R22? Let alone Line In The Sand?
We'll just compare it with the infamous Leigh Matthews incident which also earnt 4 weeks. Both dog acts.
Not a fair comparison, one got charged by the police, one didn't.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 20:34
And a toast to Whomb for attracting unwanted Hawthorn posters to our board.
A fine effort indeed. :p
Yeah it wasnt this thread that attracted me to your board. I lurk on most team boards, especially this time of the year.
I felt the need to post because it was a discussion on Hawthorn's ruck situation. Why it is on the Essendon board Im not sure but it is nice to know you gents are thinking of us!
Do you guys whinge and cry for an entire off season every year because of one little bump or was it just this one?
Deflection.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 20:41
Do you guys whinge and cry for an entire off season every year because of one little bump or was it just this one?
After all the crap that the hawks dished out to the dons about getting smashed and having no ruckman against adelaide.
Karmas a bit*h :thumbsu::D
Just a bit over Hawks fans hanging their hats on one match where Renouf slightly pipped ryder.
Who's still harbouring issues after an entire off-season?! :p
PS we're on your board...
Who's still harbouring issues after an entire off-season?! :p
PS we're on your board...
TeamHurley thinks every board is Bay13
Yeah it wasn't this thread that attracted me to your board. I lurk on most team boards, especially this time of the year.
Yeah, I know, I have seen your name in "who's browsing" section at the bottom of the forum a bit so assumed you lurk around different boards. And that post wasn't aimed at you really anyway as you you seem reasonable (well, unless you frequent the Bay then that opinion could change, heh).
But your team does have some of the biggest, what are the kids calling them these days; oh that's right, flogs going around BF and I don't really want to attract them to this board. No offence to you intended.
I actually don't mind the response this has got. It's banter; at least the ones that Ben hasn't had to delete. :p
Good to see the board activity's been up tonight, and nobody's really getting offended.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 20:49
Not a fair comparison, one got charged by the police, one didn't.
Leigh Matthews got off the tribunal charge, and was charged by police after a public outcry.
He was therefore 'convicted' and de-registered. For 4 weeks.
It was a loophole to hand him a suspension. Nothing more.
Again, both dog acts. It's time to stop defending Lloyd's business in Round 22, regardless of who you support. I have done likewise with Hawthorn players like Leigh Matthews, Simon Taylor, etc.
So hodgepodge, are you going to fix your signature?
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 20:58
But your team does have some of the biggest, what are the kids calling them these days; oh that's right, flogs going around BF and I don't really want to attract them to this board. No offence to you intended.
None taken. For someone who doesn't want them here, you seemed pretty happy to pat the OP on the back for attracting them a few minutes ago...
A thread like this is designed to attract them. It started out with a very ugly, vindictive tone.... Now it is just a discussion on Hawthorn's rucks that has lasted 6 pages on the Essendon board....
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 21:00
So hodgepodge, are you going to fix your signature?
Signature's working fine.
dave_27
17 Mar 2010, 21:06
Yep. Moss with his 9 career goals is really going to fill Williams shoes.
Sort of like Shoenmakers with his 2 contested marks.
After all the crap that the hawks dished out to the dons about getting smashed and having no ruckman against adelaide.
Well said.
To put things in perspective, Id rate Renouf behind Ryder, Hille, Layock and Bellchambers. And this bloke is going to lead the pissant minnows revival up the ladder?
Please.
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 21:08
Well said.
To put things in perspective, Id rate Renouf behind Ryder, Hille, Layock and Bellchambers. And this bloke is going to lead the pissant minnows revival up the ladder?
Please.
Who said that?
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2010, 21:11
Who said that?
Well, I'd hope you're not relying on Lowden or Petersen or these sort of guys to lead you.:eek:
Not that Renouf is all that much better...
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 21:12
Yep. Moss with his 9 career goals is really going to fill Williams shoes.
Sort of like Shoenmakers with his 2 contested marks.
Schoenmakers' job is to keep his opponent quiet. Which he has been conspicuously good at. No amount of stat cherry-picking will change that.
As for Moss, he played more of a midfield role than Williams did, but is a very good half-forward. As a forward he more than fills any hole Williams left.
After all the crap that the hawks dished out to the dons about getting smashed and having no ruckman against adelaide.
Karmas a bit*h :thumbsu::D
Everybody dished out that crap. Will every team lose their ruckman now?
What did Essendon do to deserve a 96 point thrashing in the Elimination Final? Assuming this is your 'karma' at work?
Well said.
To put things in perspective, Id rate Renouf behind Ryder, Hille, Layock and Bellchambers. And this bloke is going to lead the pissant minnows revival up the ladder?
Please.
Renouf is better than Laycock and Bellchambers.
Hodgepodge
17 Mar 2010, 21:14
Well said.
To put things in perspective, Id rate Renouf behind Ryder, Hille, Layock and Bellchambers. And this bloke is going to lead the pissant minnows revival up the ladder?
Please.
What do your player ratings have to do with any perspective but your own?
To put things in perspective I rate Metallica over Vivaldi :rolleyes:
ChunkyDuckling
17 Mar 2010, 21:19
Well, I'd hope you're not relying on Lowden or Petersen or these sort of guys to lead you.:eek:
I'm relying on Mitchell, Hodge and the rest of the leadership group to lead us.
Our last 6 flags were won with a servicable at best ruck division. They are not vital to success. Conversely, I would place Hille/Ryder in the top 4 ruck divisions in the league, are you expecting top 4 this year?
Besides, even though it is a weak point, its a moot one anyway. Taylor and Bailey should be back by mid season.
Wahooti Fandango
17 Mar 2010, 21:28
Renouf is better than Laycock and Bellchambers.
No and I can give you one good reason. Neither Laycock nor Bellchambers have the habit of falling onto fires.
Also, the thread should have been left as a toast. Shotta and co. have created similar threads about Essendon on many occasions.