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He stats over recent weeks have been pretty good, has been in the best on a couple of occassions. With Matty, Ackland & Champion still out injured, White still a fair way away from AFL, Thrust only having a four day rest, it leaves only Morgan as a tall replacement (assuming the Thrust needs his rest) or Patfull. What chance has he got of being called up if Chad is ruled out for a game or two?
How did he go today? I only saw a few minutes here and there and even in that time he had a bit of the ball (as did Borlace) but how did he go overall?
koulagirl22
20 May 2003, 01:09
Apparently he took a brilliant hanger in the 3rd and his 4th quarter was pretty good. He seemed happy with how he went when we tried to talk to him afterwards.
I don't think that seeing that he'd have to be promoted from the rookie list that they'd put him in. I don't think he's quite ready to perform at AFL level and definitely not as a "replacement" for Chad.
Kid Dynamite!
20 May 2003, 13:06
Originally posted by Eago77
He stats over recent weeks have been pretty good, has been in the best on a couple of occassions. With Matty, Ackland & Champion still out injured, White still a fair way away from AFL, Thrust only having a four day rest, it leaves only Morgan as a tall replacement (assuming the Thrust needs his rest) or Patfull. What chance has he got of being called up if Chad is ruled out for a game or two?
How did he go today? I only saw a few minutes here and there and even in that time he had a bit of the ball (as did Borlace) but how did he go overall?
Borlace got leather poisoning, to correct you. :)
As for Joel, he might come under some consideration.
He certainly did take an absolute screamer in the third quarter and seemed quite happy with his efforts afterwards, as Berni mentioned. He's a lot more willing to go up for the contested marks and go in for the hard ball gets now than he was a few months ago, and he was rucking at the throw-ins in the second and final quarter, which shows his versatility.
The only thing that concerns me is his accuracy. Is usually a reliable shot for goal and usually bagged a couple when playing in the two's.. but has been quite shocking in front of the big sticks of late. This is the last thing we need, we all know how unreliable Chad can be.
Anyway you'll all be able to get a good look at him when Norwood play Port in two weeks time. :)
Macca19
20 May 2003, 22:05
I think there is 100% no chance he will be brought up from the rookie list just for two games when Morgan has been going well in the SANFL, and Lade or Brogan can rest up there.
Originally posted by Macca19
I think there is 100% no chance he will be brought up from the rookie list just for two games when Morgan has been going well in the SANFL, and Lade or Brogan can rest up there.
Fair enough Macca, it was just a thought, i'd think it highly unlikely but there aren't that many other good options IMO, Morgan up forward, um no thanks. But obviously Lade, Brogan or even Monty or Thrust (after the short week) could be options that Choco may look at.
Although we're going to be in the position of being able to promote at least 1 rookie for the whole of the season, I doubt if that will happen unless there are more long-term injuries. The current suspension of Chad Cornes and the month-long injury to Matthew Primus will mean a few more players to get a guernsey, but only those already on the senior list. With Monty coming back, we have a replacement for either the out-of-form Bishop or Hardwick and Thurstans could be a replacement for Cornes. Morgan could also come under consideration.
dreamkillers
20 May 2003, 23:27
Not that they are quite ready due to coming back from injury there is also White and Champion to consider if their form warrants it in the next month or two.
Originally posted by dreamkillers
Not that they are quite ready due to coming back from injury there is also White and Champion to consider if their form warrants it in the next month or two.
They'd be kicking themselves right about know, although knowing those two they'd probably do a hammy while kicking themselves :(
blackdiamond
20 May 2003, 23:52
Its almost now or never for Morgan.
Originally posted by Scott
Its almost now or never for Morgan.
I'm leaning toward never.
koulagirl22
21 May 2003, 00:26
Originally posted by Eago77
They'd be kicking themselves right about know, although knowing those two they'd probably do a hammy while kicking themselves :(
I'm sure Wade could do something but he STILL hasn't played an SANFL game (reserves or league) since being taken off the injury list... *rolls her eyes*... I have NO IDEA what is going on there!!
PAfolwr
21 May 2003, 00:37
Originally posted by Scott
Its almost now or never for Morgan.
I am still of the view that Williams has a "higher opinion" of Morgan than Thurstans.
Originally posted by PAfolwr
I am still of the view that Williams has a "higher opinion" of Morgan than Thurstans.
HE may well have but I don't. For mine the thrust is the pick of the two.
dreamkillers
21 May 2003, 00:50
Originally posted by PAfolwr
I am still of the view that Williams has a "higher opinion" of Morgan than Thurstans.
I'm not.......both were available to play earlier this year and Thurstans was the first choice each time.
dreamkillers
21 May 2003, 00:52
Originally posted by koulagirl22
I'm sure Wade could do something but he STILL hasn't played an SANFL game (reserves or league) since being taken off the injury list... *rolls her eyes*... I have NO IDEA what is going on there!!
Like Monty last week he didn't officially come off the list as he had to pass a fitness test during the week to play. It will be interesting to see whether he is listed again this week.
koulagirl22
21 May 2003, 12:54
Wade's definitely not on the injury list and has been training with the main squad with no sign of having any trouble whatsoever.
To complicate matters further Welsh is coming back soon and I dare say he would play a couple of games with Westies.
KG22, have you heard anything about Schuback from the Crows. Played A's last year, playing B's this year. I've heard he needs an attitude readjustment...
koulagirl22
21 May 2003, 13:38
Schuby's been playing pretty well - I'm not in a position to hear much but he is being tauted as a promotion to the A's in the next few weeks. From what I've seen on the field he's not exactly approaching the game quite as professionally as he should be.
And where would he go in the A's anyway? There's simply not enough room for an AFL player who doesn't seem to be taking anything very seriously...
It'd be good to see Welshy back for a bit, but like last year, I think he'd play about 3 games before going back to the Crows, at most. I think last year he played a total of a game and a half over 2 reserves and 1 or 2 senior matches before being called up.
Originally posted by koulagirl22
From what I've seen on the field he's not exactly approaching the game quite as professionally as he should be.
And where would he go in the A's anyway? There's simply not enough room for an AFL player who doesn't seem to be taking anything very seriously...
He would add to the depth of our team if he got his head right. Mind you I suppose he could still add depth if he played the rest of the season in the B's. I was quite impressed with him last year. Smooth mover, good kick, great finish from 50.
Ford Fairlane
21 May 2003, 14:14
Champion played U19s for West on the weekend. Kicked 3 goals.
koulagirl22
21 May 2003, 14:21
*blinks* He did too... didn't even THINK of checking the juniors...
That would explain why I didn't see him hanging around the grandstand looking bored on the weekend then... *bangs head on desk*
Ford Fairlane
2 Jun 2003, 12:33
Originally posted by Eago77
He stats over recent weeks have been pretty good, has been in the best on a couple of occassions. With Matty, Ackland & Champion still out injured, White still a fair way away from AFL, Thrust only having a four day rest, it leaves only Morgan as a tall replacement (assuming the Thrust needs his rest) or Patfull. What chance has he got of being called up if Chad is ruled out for a game or two?
How did he go today? I only saw a few minutes here and there and even in that time he had a bit of the ball (as did Borlace) but how did he go overall?
Pulled this one up from a couple of weeks ago ... might not be as unlikely as it appeared to be back then! Keep that crystal ball polished! :D
Can't see a rookie being elevated this year. Of course, the seasons only 10 rounds old but even now we have the option to elevate someone and Choco isn't doing it. And it looks more likely that if we do need someone the first rookie to go onto the main list will be Borlace.
Originally posted by mic59
Can't see a rookie being elevated this year. Of course, the seasons only 10 rounds old but even now we have the option to elevate someone and Choco isn't doing it. And it looks more likely that if we do need someone the first rookie to go onto the main list will be Borlace.
I disagree, we have millions of smalls/midfileders in great form in the SANFL (Cassisi, Hall, Salopek, even Koula) as well as Dewy coming back soon and The Guru & Poults on the fringe. What we don't have many of is a tall forward option who is both (a) fit and (b) firing. White is still a while off, Ackland & Champion - nowhere to be seen, Morgan isn't a real forward option IMO nor is the injured Thrust. Broagn isn't a real forward option besides Lade there isn't much left, apart from the returning Primus.
Again IMO if anyone of the two rookies is elevated it'll be Patful unless our midfield injury toll rises.
Kid Dynamite!
3 Jun 2003, 17:06
Originally posted by mic59
Can't see a rookie being elevated this year. Of course, the seasons only 10 rounds old but even now we have the option to elevate someone and Choco isn't doing it. And it looks more likely that if we do need someone the first rookie to go onto the main list will be Borlace.
Since no one listened to me when I said it the first time, I'll say it again.
A few weeks ago when I spoke to Mick Moylan, the subject of elevating Borlace came up. He made the point that there would be no chance of an elevation unless we were absolutely strapped for injuries. I didnt mention Patfull - maybe I should have. I thought that if I mentioned him then I'd get the same kind of answer.
I have a sneaking feeling that this may change though - one of them may get the call up. Patfull probably, seeing as our forwards seem to be injuring themselves left right and centre.
Borlace has a broken hand, so obviously that'd hamper an immediate call-up, as unlikely as that is.
Borlace might get a callup in the last few rounds just as insurance similar to the last two years.
I dont expect Patfull to get a callup. Id rather him not even worry about the senior list at the moment. Id just want him to continue improving and developing his game. I fully expect him to be put on our senior list at the end of the year however.
I am expecting both of these guys to go onto the main list at the end of the year. Does anyone know what would be the minimum number of delistings and forays into the draft we could get away with, remembering that we are already going with a reduced list?
Stiffy_18
3 Jun 2003, 21:28
Originally posted by mic59
I am expecting both of these guys to go onto the main list at the end of the year. Does anyone know what would be the minimum number of delistings and forays into the draft we could get away with, remembering that we are already going with a reduced list? If my memory serves me correctly you have to delist at least 3 players and you must pick at least 3 in the national draft.
As far as Patfull goes, I think he is a genuine talent and will make it. One of the reasons that he wasn't drafted was that he is just a touch short for a KP at AFL level but with you guys having Chad and Tredders, Joel could be a great 3rd marking option down the track. And then there is Damon White......
Patfull should get promotion at the end of the year:)
Kid Dynamite!
3 Jun 2003, 21:46
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If my memory serves me correctly you have to delist at least 3 players and you must pick at least 3 in the national draft.
As far as Patfull goes, I think he is a genuine talent and will make it. One of the reasons that he wasn't drafted was that he is just a touch short for a KP at AFL level but with you guys having Chad and Tredders, Joel could be a great 3rd marking option down the track. And then there is Damon White......
Patfull should get promotion at the end of the year:)
From what I recall, he did his entire pre-season training with the Crows, in the hope of them picking him up as a rookie.
Poor boy. :p
In all seriousness, he should definitely get promoted at the end of the season. He'll be an absolute star.
Stiffy_18
3 Jun 2003, 21:58
Originally posted by Kid Dynamite!
From what I recall, he did his entire pre-season training with the Crows, in the hope of them picking him up as a rookie.
Poor boy. :p
In all seriousness, he should definitely get promoted at the end of the season. He'll be an absolute star. Yeah you're right mate. He did his pre-season training with us and was gonna be drafted with our 2nd pick in the pre-season draft but you got there first.
As I said before, he should get promoted even though he is not quite big enough for a KP but he would be cracker jack 3rd tall forward.;)
Kid Dynamite!
3 Jun 2003, 22:02
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah you're right mate. He did his pre-season training with us and was gonna be drafted with our 2nd pick in the pre-season draft but you got there first.
And thank the man upstairs we did!
Just quickly - whats your opinion of Michael Bratton?
Stiffy_18
3 Jun 2003, 22:32
Originally posted by Kid Dynamite!
And thank the man upstairs we did!
Just quickly - whats your opinion of Michael Bratton? I haven't seen him play but I think he broke the record for beep test at draft camp. The record was again broken 2 days after he got it.
I think he might be too small for AFL but I haven't seen him play so I cannot comment. Why?
Kid Dynamite!
3 Jun 2003, 22:48
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I haven't seen him play but I think he broke the record for beep test at draft camp. The record was again broken 2 days after he got it.
I think he might be too small for AFL but I haven't seen him play so I cannot comment. Why?
Just wondering, thats all. He's a Norwood boy, so its my duty to keep tabs. ;)
Apparently he was in sizzling form with the 'Legs last year before his injuries. I'd say he's about the same build and height as Josh Carr.. so dont write him off just yet. I'll keep you updated.
Stiffy_18
3 Jun 2003, 23:41
Originally posted by Kid Dynamite!
I'll keep you updated. Thanks mate!!!!!! Much appreciated;) :) :D
dreamkillers
4 Jun 2003, 00:38
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If my memory serves me correctly you have to delist at least 3 players and you must pick at least 3 in the national draft.
I'm pretty sure if Paxman retires and Primus and Wanganeen go on the veteran's list we only have to delist 1 other player.......
dreamkillers
4 Jun 2003, 00:46
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah you're right mate. He did his pre-season training with us and was gonna be drafted with our 2nd pick in the pre-season draft but you got there first.
As I said before, he should get promoted even though he is not quite big enough for a KP but he would be cracker jack 3rd tall forward.;)
Port have had an eye on him for a few years now.......especially during 2001 onwards as he kicked over 100 goals in the U17's for Norwood.
Barring injury I'd say it's a very good chance he will be promoted which will be a change for us.
Stiffy_18
4 Jun 2003, 18:04
Originally posted by dreamkillers
I'm pretty sure if Paxman retires and Primus and Wanganeen go on the veteran's list we only have to delist 1 other player....... I am pretty sure you need to delist 3. BTW how old is Primus?????? I was under the impression that a player has to be 30 and with club for 10 years or in your case since you entered the AFL. I am pretty sure of this.
You need three available spots. Those three movements would accomplish this, if no rookies were raised.
blackdiamond
4 Jun 2003, 22:05
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I am pretty sure you need to delist 3. BTW how old is Primus?????? I was under the impression that a player has to be 30 and with club for 10 years or in your case since you entered the AFL. I am pretty sure of this.
Stiffy here are the details on the Veterans List, see the highlighted section in reference to Port Adelaide.
Collective Bargaining Agreement 1998-2003
Part D - General Matters
26. Veterans List
26.1
a) An AFL Club may nominate for each AFL Season up to two eligible Players to be transferred from its Primary List to the Veterans List or to be classified as a veteran on its Primary List, provided the transfer or classification occurs by 31 January in the relevant AFL Season.
b) An AFL Club who classifies a Player on its Primary List as a veteran, may, at a later stage, but no later than 31 January in the relevant AFL Season, transfer the Player to the AFL Club’s Veterans List. A Player who is transferred to the AFL Club’s Veterans List cannot be transferred back to the Primary List of the AFL Club.
26.2 A Player is eligible for inclusion on an AFL Club’s Veterans List or to be classified as a veteran, if:
a) the Player has been at the AFL Club on the Primary List for at least ten (10) years; and
b) the Player is 30 years of age or older.
Provided that in the case of Adelaide and Fremantle, a Player will be eligible if he:
is 30 years of age or older; and
has been on the AFL Club’s Primary List since inception of the AFL Club into the AFL Competition.
And in the case of Port Adelaide, a Player will be eligible if he:
is 28 years of age or older; and
has been on the AFL Club’s Primary List since the inception of the AFL Club into the AFL Competition.
Once an AFL Club to which these exceptions apply has been in the AFL Competition for 10 years, the exception will cease to apply to that AFL Club and thereafter the provisions of sub-clauses 26.2(a) and (b) will apply.
26.3 Once a Player has been included on the Veterans List of an AFL Club, the Player’s name shall remain on that list until the Player leaves that AFL Club.
26.4 The Veterans List of an AFL Club must be finalised by that AFL Club by 31 January in the relevant AFL season.
Stiffy_18
4 Jun 2003, 22:21
Thanks mate. I didn't realise that was the case. Sorry.;)
blackdiamond
4 Jun 2003, 22:28
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Thanks mate. I didn't realise that was the case. Sorry.;)
Thats alright mate, I guess they had to make the rules slightly different so Port could compete as close to an even playing field as possible although there was quite a bit we did miss out on.
As far as I can tell, the veteran's rule is about the only AFL `on-the-fly' idea where Port have come out with a clear advantage.
koulagirl22
4 Jun 2003, 23:41
Originally posted by dreamkillers
Port have had an eye on him for a few years now.......especially during 2001 onwards as he kicked over 100 goals in the U17's for Norwood.
Barring injury I'd say it's a very good chance he will be promoted which will be a change for us.
Port definitely did the right thing getting Joe. Now it's up to us whether we want him, not whether he's still available in the draft.