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Mad Bomber Sean
11 Apr 2010, 00:21
Who's do you want out. Who come's in & Why?
Subi is at 170m long & 122m is very different from the shorter MCG 160m long & 139m wide. It favours longer kicking & high marking fwds. The climate is dryer and the ground is are harder.
Our running game failed last year and could fall again if we dont bring in a more traditional marking fwd.
For me Hurley is a lock. He will add to the growing confidence of Wilo, Gumby & Ryder. However if Monfries is physically ready, he should also play, he is inform and his style would suit the ground.
Many will put a case fwd for Mcveigh, perhaps the heart & soul of the club - his week in hospital would leave him in less than ideal shape for the game, especially on a bigger ground where endurance running is so important. Best leave him out for a week or two..
So into the side, Hurley & Monfries if ok.
Based on form I would say that either Winda's, Welsh, Houli or Lonergan should be dropped. Or perhaps the new boys, Melk or Colyer.
Colyer was good enough to hold his spot - he will play next week. Melk was also pretty good & showed exellent poise & skill under pressure when it mattered.
Out of that bunch, sad to say Houli is probably the one that is most likely to lose his spot. not because he was bad -hls game was Ok, but not much more. Too many to hot to handle handballs & kicks over head of leading players. Defensively though he was pretty good I thought, sticking to his man, playing almost as well as Slatts.
Welsh's game was ok not too many faults really - as a vice captain he aint going anywhere. Lonergan was a bit better, although Lonergan did some good things at vital last night.
Winda's performance so far this year suggets to me that he still has the back problem. His impact is very minimal. I feel that he has a great future at our club but needs a spell in the two's.
So Hurley & Monfries to replace Houli & Windas
Go Bombers :thumbsu:
Wahooti Fandango
11 Apr 2010, 00:23
Out: Houli, Lonergan
In: Hurley, McVeigh
footycool
11 Apr 2010, 00:24
IMO we need pace in the midfield, which Colyar gives us. Then we should bring in Neagle and Hurley for forwards. IMO running fast midfields and tall, strong marking forwards. Something that we havnt had for years
Donakebab
11 Apr 2010, 00:24
Won't go into this yet as it's just after game day so still all wound up, but no chance for Welsh to go out. Did a nice run with job on Murphy and still saw a bit of the ball himself. Not a great game, but easily a pass mark.
Mad Bomber Sean
11 Apr 2010, 00:32
Won't go into this yet as it's just after game day so still all wound up, but no chance for Welsh to go out. Did a nice run with job on Murphy and still saw a bit of the ball himself. Not a great game, but easily a pass mark.
Great point..Murphy is as important IMO to the Blues as Judd - he stopped him cold. as stated he aint going anywhere.
So Hurley & Monfries to replace Houli & Monfries.
You might wanna fix that up, but I agree Houli and Winderlich were the "okay" players without a lot of impact and Welsh kept Murphy fairly quiet. If Monfries isn't okay to play then I'd keep Winderlich in the team. I don't think there's any rush for McVeigh to come back at the moment.
AndyLesPaul
11 Apr 2010, 00:36
So Hurley & Monfries to replace Houli & Monfries.
Go Bombers :thumbsu:
Right.
IN: Hurley, Monfries
OUT: Houli, Winderlich
Bombers36
11 Apr 2010, 08:23
I think theres a few guys that will be pushing to get back into the 22 - Monfires, McVeigh maybe if hes not crook still, Hurley kicked 4 for Bendigo so surely will come under consideration, as will Laycock who played OK for Bendigo. Howlett, Davey, Prismall possibilities I guess, and whats happened with Neagle...??
Good problem to have I guess just not sure who will miss as I felt both debutants Colyer & Milky did OK, as did Houli without setting the world on fire.
Zaharakis, Winderlich didnt have much impact, Welsh quiet again. Not sure but youd think possible OUTS: would be Houli, Milky, Colyer, Zaharakis, Winderlich (whats going on with Winders??), Welsh, Lonergan
Possible INS: Hurley, Monfries, McVeigh, Laycock, Howlett, Davey, Prismall, Neagle
Will be interesting to see what Knights does but as he showed this week hes not afraid to make tough decisions and maybe time is running out for guys like Welsh & Winders...
What game were you watching?!
Welsh tagged the crap out of Murphy. Took him right out of the game in the absence of Judd. He was pivotal last night!
Winders, as much as I love him, he just isn't right somehow. I think its probably due more to being played out of position. Now that we have Zaha as a small leading forward, Winders should be given a permanent midfield role to get him back up form-wise.
I don't think anyone really deserves to be dropped after a win....
Out: Winderlich, Lonergan? :confused:
In: Hurley, Prismall
Welsh had a great game tonight. No way will he be dropped.
Reports from Bendigo - Both Prismall and Myers very average.
Neagle still lacking match fitness (Will struggle to be back in the side barring injury)
Hurley and Davey - great games.
Also of note - Howlett and Hardigham didn;t play for Bendigo - Are they being kept fresh for next Friday??
Not sure on the status of Monfries injury and I have concerns about Winderlich's injury. Mcveigh won;t be ready either.
In: Hurley, Davey, Howlett
Out: Longergan, Winderlich (if unfit) and maybe Houli???
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Out: Winderlich, Lonergan? :confused:
In: Hurley, Prismall
I don't think windas should be dropped going to subiaco.
It's hard to find someone to bring out for Hurley who I think should play.
kelvin_sheedy
11 Apr 2010, 09:12
Interesting selections this week.
Hurley is a must as we have looked a man short in the KPP stakes up forward.
Subi is a big ground and seeing Davey was one of the best in the VFL then we might have to take a punt on him and put him back in.
Monfries, will he be right?
McVeigh?
Houli, Lonergan might be sweating and maybe Colyer who was good but sprayed it a bit.
For the first time in years I can't make up my mind on who goes and who stays.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 09:26
One of Hocking/Lonergan has to go - Can't play both of them at Subi IMO.
Definitely need to keep Colyer and Melksham - they give our engine room some serious running power which is what we need at Subi.
McVeigh to come in but only as a small defender to do a job on LeCras.
Keep one of Slattery/Houli - I'd actually like to see Houli used as a creative HFF.
Hurley is a definite inclusion - will make our forward line a lot more dangerous, even if it just means that Williams doesn't take the best defender anymore.
Skeeta Olly
11 Apr 2010, 09:47
IN: Hurley
OUT: Lonergan
Others in contention for IN/OUT are Atkinson, Davey and Houli.
Again we have to go with our best running side at Subi. We took slow, cumbersome teams there last year and looked woeful.
IMO we cant take Prismall/McVeigh (especially coming off illness in perth), Myers a no-brainer etc.
Id take out Lonergan, and bring in Hurley (a given to come back). Houli was bad, but id give him one more go on the open spaces.
Apparently monfries said 2 weeks on the radio, so i will leave him out.
Anyone else believe we have to seriously re-assess our best 22?
We just seem to play so much better with guys suited to the style playing (suprise suprise), and without a few of the traditional "best 22" guys.
Skeeta Olly
11 Apr 2010, 09:59
No McVeigh, no Prismal.
We were a better side.
actually seeing as Howlett and Hardingham were 'rested' yesterday, with a short break wouldnt shock at all to see one or both of these.
Hurley/Howlett/Hardingham (will love the open spaces of subi)
out: Lonergan/Houli and ?
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 10:03
IN: Hurley, (Monfries, if not, McVeigh)
OUT: Houli, (Lonergan)
Out: Houli, Colyer (stiff to miss)
In: Hurley, Atkinson
B: Slattery, Pears, Fletcher
HB: Atkinson, Hooker, Dempsey
C: Dyson, Hocking, Stanton
HF: Winderlich (last chance), Gumbleton, Reimers
F: Williams, Hurley, Lovett-Murray
R: Ryder, Watson, Welsh
Int: Hille, Lonergan, Melksham, Zaharakis
Emerg: Colyer, Howlett, Hardingham
rioli brownlow
11 Apr 2010, 10:08
No McVeigh, no Prismal.
We were a better side.
heres one a little bit left field, but with a 6 day turn around and having to travel to perth for a friday night game and the eagles only really having 1 maybe 2 big forwards how about giving fletch a week off this week considering we have big games coming up against collingwood and hawthorn after the eagles game. i would also leave monfries and mcveigh both out this week let them get primed for an anzac day return.
i would go with
in. hurley, davey, howlett
out. fletcher(rested), hocking(don't need him,welsh and watson on a big ground like subi) winders( looks like he needs a rest)
kelvin_sheedy
11 Apr 2010, 10:16
heres one a little bit left field, but with a 6 day turn around and having to travel to perth for a friday night game and the eagles only really having 1 maybe 2 big forwards how about giving fletch a week off this week considering we have big games coming up against collingwood and hawthorn after the eagles game. i would also leave monfries and mcveigh both out this week let them get primed for an anzac day return.
i would go with
in. hurley, davey, howlett
out. fletcher(rested), hocking(don't need him,welsh and watson on a big ground like subi) winders( looks like he needs a rest)
Fletch rested. :eek:
Our win/loss ratio without Fletch over 15 years is terrible. After a man of the match performance against the Blues you'd have to be crazy to drop him.
The man's a machine and let him keep doing what he does. No one rests while we are fighting tooth and nail for our season.
The Bombs
11 Apr 2010, 10:17
Very tough selections this week with Howlett, Hurley, Prismall and Davey all pushing for a spot.
I really dont think Lonergan should be dropped. Need guys like him in the team. Houli didnt play too well. He had too many floater handballs to teamates, and some of his decisions werent the greatest but i would think it harsh to drop him after 1 game.
Colyer and Melks should both stay IMO. Colyers' runs were awesome and should take daveys spot for now.
Winders to be dropped??
Also i dont think Mcveigh will be back as a family member had the same illness and you dont recover fully after 1 week and should not be played.
Can someone please tell me what Hockings role is in the side? I just can't see him been in our best side yet he is in every week. Too slow for the midfield and the backline and can only really tag a player yet we have Slattery down back and Welsh through the midfield.
Prismall ain't pushing for a spot going by reports of his performance yesterday...
Duckworth
11 Apr 2010, 10:29
Prismall ain't pushing for a spot going by reports of his performance yesterday...
Same goes for a few others at Bendigo.
BomberAce7
11 Apr 2010, 10:59
What is wrong with some of you guys??? You want to omit players who were actually good last night & bring in overrated clowns like Prismall who was pathetic yesterday by all accounts! Agree that No McVeigh No Prismall we are a better team. If Knights is going to omit any player Houli should be omitted for Hurley. Houli's decision making & disposal leaves alot to be desired.
In - Hurley
Out - Houli
Knights says Monfries is likely to miss again and I wouldn't want to risk McVeigh. Give them both another week off and bring them back fresh for Anzac Day.
In - Hurley
Out - Lonergan
essendon2008
11 Apr 2010, 11:09
Knights says Monfries is likely to miss again and I wouldn't want to risk McVeigh. Give them both another week off and bring them back fresh for Anzac Day.
In - Hurley
Out - Lonergan
Agree with this.
In: Hurley, Howlett
Out: Lonergan, Colyer
- Hurley is an obvious in.
- Howlett was stiff to be dropped in the first place.
- Lonergan wasn't good last night and needs to make way for Hurley.
- Colyer was electric but his kicking wasn't good hence why we dropped Prismall.
- Houli lucky to stay in the side since I don't think a defender is going to come in next week.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 11:38
Colyer's pace and ability to break the lines is definitely needed at Subi - besides Colyer was a replacement for Davey.
Call Me Cake
11 Apr 2010, 11:42
Colyer's pace and ability to break the lines is definitely needed at Subi - besides Colyer was a replacement for Davey.
Hmm, I thought his speed kinda resembled Lovett's, tbh.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/images/10/2010rd03-11.jpg
:D
Skeeta Olly
11 Apr 2010, 11:43
We need fit players, willing to give 100% and chance/man up.
Colyer ticks all them.
donspremiers
11 Apr 2010, 11:48
Can someone please tell me what Hockings role is in the side? I just can't see him been in our best side yet he is in every week. Too slow for the midfield and the backline and can only really tag a player yet we have Slattery down back and Welsh through the midfield.
Are you joking Hocking is the most underated in our team IMO. He's one of if not our best tackler. He goes in hard and without players like him giving out the hard ball gets we'd be a bunch of outskirt recievers.
Plus for a slow guy he runs hard and his skill level is getting better every week. This guy isn't far away from Brad Sewell and is 5 years younger. An absolute star and possible our future captain.
Mcveigh shouldn't walk straight back into the team. His 2009 season was crap and he was woeful against Freo. Needs a good game in the Magoos.
Hurley should come in for Colyer(unlucky)
Davey shouldn't get a game unless injury strikes. His bumbling fumbling isn't up to AFL standards atm. Plus our little forwards are performing with Zaka with 5 Williams and Reimers with 4.
Houli had a few turnovers but he had a good game a deserves to stay in the team. His disposal will get better next week and he is a freak at finding the football.
Lonergan should also stay IMO we have too many receivers and not enough hard nuts plus he's the future of the club.
Skeeta Olly
11 Apr 2010, 11:55
Are you joking Hocking is the most underated in our team IMO. He's one of if not our best tackler. He goes in hard and without players like him giving out the hard ball gets we'd be a bunch of outskirt recievers.
Plus for a slow guy he runs hard and his skill level is getting better every week. This guy isn't far away from Brad Sewell and is 5 years younger. An absolute star and possible our future captain.
I think you may just be overrating him.... a bit.
kelvin_sheedy
11 Apr 2010, 11:59
Are you joking Hocking is the most underated in our team IMO. He's one of if not our best tackler. He goes in hard and without players like him giving out the hard ball gets we'd be a bunch of outskirt recievers.
Plus for a slow guy he runs hard and his skill level is getting better every week. This guy isn't far away from Brad Sewell and is 5 years younger. An absolute star and possible our future captain.
Agree with that. He's been very solid and looks to be improving all the time.
His hardness is needed desperately and imo should be played in the middle much more than down back.
No reason why he can't get to Sewell status in year or two.
rioli brownlow
11 Apr 2010, 12:01
Fletch rested. :eek:
Our win/loss ratio without Fletch over 15 years is terrible. After a man of the match performance against the Blues you'd have to be crazy to drop him.
The man's a machine and let him keep doing what he does. No one rests while we are fighting tooth and nail for our season.
maybe you should read it again??
there is difference btwn dropped and being rested!!!! its about man management. the bloke is 34 nearly 35. would rather see him freshened up for anzac day ,than put him on a 4 hr plane trip , when the eagles only have kennedy and lecras to worry about.
when the eagles only have kennedy and lecras to worry about.
Yeah it's not as if small forwards or half-decent tall forwards ever have field days against us...
rioli brownlow
11 Apr 2010, 12:10
Yeah it's not as if small forwards or half-decent tall forwards ever have field days against us...
fletch wouldn't be played on them anyway, pears and hooker will. **** me it was only a suggestion
Frothies Mcveigh
11 Apr 2010, 12:15
In: Hurley
Out: Lonergan
Dont need to risk Monfries and McVeigh, Houli lucky to stay in and Winderlich needs to be played through the midfield.
Bombers36
11 Apr 2010, 12:16
yes - Hocking a lock at the moment. 6 tackles - most of any Essendon player, 16 possies & a goal not a bad nights work. Seems to be pretty strong over the ball and doesnt get pushed off it. Comparisons with Sewell a bit early I think but I certainly like the way the kid is developing and he deserves to be in the 22 for sure.
Maybe just one change - out Winderlich (needs a rest) in Hurley.
IN - Atkinson , Hurley
Out - Lonergan, Slattery.
Atkinson to go to LeCras
Hurley in, Lonergan Out.
Like others have said, Hurley needs to step in asap and will replace Lonergan, who wasn't overly great.
gO_bOmBeRz
11 Apr 2010, 12:21
IN - Atkinson , Hurley
Out - Lonergan, Slattery.
Atkinson to go to LeCras
Would Atkinson be able to match him ?
We have to keep the mobility in the side. It means that you can only swap players who have similar attributes.
Hurley by all reports is primed to tear the competition a new one. He should deffinately come in but it cannot be at the expense of a fast running flanker or midfieder. As good as he may be, he will rely on our midfield to get him the ball and taking out a Houli or Colyer just upsets the balance of the side too much. The spin all performed last night and so none of those guys can be dropped. Of the non-KPP players who played last night Hurley can only come in for, Welsh, Hocking, Lonergan, Watson. Of the players named Lonergan had the smallest impact. Obviously I would never suggest dropping Watson and Hocking and Welsh both performed well.
McVeigh should not be considered as he has spent the best part of a week in hospital which indicates the seriousness of that infection.
Monfries should be rested if there is any doubt.
In: Hurley
Out: Lonergan
Davey was BOG in the two according to the reports and cleaned up his disposal and ball handling. Maybe drop Houli and Bring in Davey. Davey could take Winderlich's spot forward and Winderlich could be left on the wing. At this stage everything to stay as is other than the swap above.
What I'd realy like to do is dump Slattery but it would just result in a flaming.
loopy_cam
11 Apr 2010, 12:36
fletch wouldn't be played on them anyway, pears and hooker will. fk me it was only a suggestion
Kennedy, Mitch Brown and Hansen all need someone tall on them.
IN: Hurley
OUT: Lonergan
That's it. McVeigh needs a bit of fitness after that injury and Monfreis won't be back for this round.
donspremiers
11 Apr 2010, 12:48
IMO if Davey is brought in he should be played as a back pocket. He's one of our best tacklers and has been described as the most dangerous man without the football so why not play him in the backline.
He kicked 14 goals from 20 games in 2009 as mostly a forward pocket which is pretty poor.
I think he would have smashed eddie betts last night and would be fast enough for Le cras next week.
IN - Atkinson , Hurley
Out - Lonergan, Slattery.
Atkinson to go to LeCras
Slattery can be poor but last night he was solid - he stays.
I would like to see Welsh take Le Cras, as I think he is there most dangerous
player and Le Cras would tear Slattery a new one. Ballantyne killed him last week and Betts whilst not hurting us on the scoreboard had the better of him last night.
Hocking is more than capable of shutting down priddis and hurting west coast the other way. Slattery on the other struggles to shut down his opponent every week and gives nothing offensively.
Out: Slattery, Lonergan (too many slow players for subi)
In: Hurley, Davey based on good form in the vfl.
Houli lucky, but there is really no one I can think of to replace him at the moment. I also saw Jobe have a chat to him at one of the breaks and from the gesturing it appeared that jobe was telling him to kick it long rather than handball when he has the chance. Hope he learns from this.
High Ryder
11 Apr 2010, 12:56
IN Hurley
OUT Houli
Thought Houli was shithouse last night and the same issues are still major weaknesses in his game.
IN: Hurley, Davey
OUT: Houli, Lonergan
Slattery-Pears-Fletcher
---------NLM---------
Dempsey-Hooker-Dyson (yes, Dyson. He looked good at HBF and by playing the spare man it frees him to push forward)
daveyboy3
11 Apr 2010, 13:16
[QUOTE=donspremiers;17382432]IMO if Davey is brought in he should be played as a back pocket. He's one of our best tacklers and has been described as the most dangerous man without the football so why not play him in the backline.
He kicked 14 goals from 20 games in 2009 as mostly a forward pocket which is pretty poor.
I think he would have smashed eddie betts last night and would be fast enough for Le cras next week.[/QUOTE
Davey can't mark. If he is a small backman they will kick to his player one on one and he will be exposed.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 13:42
Atkinson to go to LeCras
Too early to start tanking, mate.
IMO if Davey is brought in he should be played as a back pocket. He's one of our best tacklers and has been described as the most dangerous man without the football so why not play him in the backline.
I've thought about this but there's more to defending than tackling. He'd easily be overpowered and outmarked with his body and I have no idea how he'd go under pressure to get it out of the backline. I'd trial the idea in the VFL first.
Besides from reports he wasn't that great yesterday.
LOL at the people who want to drop Houli.
He was good last night, apart from a couple of times down back. He was good.
INS: Hurley
OUTS: Lonergan
Watching the reserves yesterday, Hurley was good and will add structure to us up forward. Alwyn Davey was also good, almost best on ground (For Bendigo that is) and was good yesterday. Tyson Slattery was also really good, but will have to bide his time waiting for his chance in the seniors.
So the only change will be, Hurley in, Lonergan out.
Hurley out of the square, Williams shifted to the pocket, Gumbleton at CHF.
I've thought about this but there's more to defending than tackling. He'd easily be overpowered and outmarked with his body and I have no idea how he'd go under pressure to get it out of the backline. I'd trial the idea in the VFL first.
Besides from reports he wasn't that great yesterday.
He was really good actually. Clean, decisive, although looked to do too much at times.
dirtywhitepacker
11 Apr 2010, 14:33
Coming off a win in the seniors and a loss in the reserves, keep it simple...
In : Hurley, (Monfries)
Out : Lonergan, (Winderlich)
As said earlier, Hocking and Lonergan can't play in the same team, and it is pretty bloody obvious now who is ahead between the two.
The thing I'm worried about with Hurley coming back in is limiting the space for Willo to run into, played a lot better last night with an open forward line. Possibly shift Gumbleton to a HFF and get him to lead up the ground a bit more like what Ryder was doing last night, Hurley at CHF, Willo out of the square again. This also allows for the resting ruckman to have more bench time and (hopefully) greater impact when on the paddock.
If Monfries is fit, he is a certain inclusion, and I'm afraid Winderlich has to come out after 3 VERY average performances by his standard.
I think Hurley for one of Lonergan/Melksham/Winderlich will be the only change.
I kinda agree about the ruckmen needed to run, but it will also be worth trying to drag natanui into our forward line and try to keep him out of their forwardline.
BomberTime
11 Apr 2010, 15:47
Agreed we cant take hocking lonergan watson welsh and stanton to subiaco. Prismall did not look interested in the vfl and didnt look like he wanted his spot back he can stay there another few weeks. Colyer and melk did enough to keep their spot so i would leave them.
Unless there are no more mysterious bomber injuries during the week i would say lonergan will be dropped for hurley as we need him up forward and all of a sudden a forward line looks pretty good:
Reimers Gumbleton Zaharakis
Williams Hurley Ryder :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Maybe even davey might come in as he looked better in the vfl match and we need his speed over at subi but i dont know who else can be dropped. Daveys inclusion would also send a message to players if they perform at vfl level after being dropped and work hard they will be considered..not like prismall:(
He was really good actually. Clean, decisive, although looked to do too much at times.
Oh, I guess I was reading it wrong. Nevermind.
Roy Cazaly
11 Apr 2010, 16:33
Coming off a win in the seniors and a loss in the reserves, keep it simple...
In : Hurley, (Monfries)
Out : Lonergan, (Winderlich)
As said earlier, Hocking and Lonergan can't play in the same team, and it is pretty bloody obvious now who is ahead between the two.
The thing I'm worried about with Hurley coming back in is limiting the space for Willo to run into, played a lot better last night with an open forward line. Possibly shift Gumbleton to a HFF and get him to lead up the ground a bit more like what Ryder was doing last night, Hurley at CHF, Willo out of the square again. This also allows for the resting ruckman to have more bench time and (hopefully) greater impact when on the paddock.
If Monfries is fit, he is a certain inclusion, and I'm afraid Winderlich has to come out after 3 VERY average performances by his standard.
Winderlich has one poor game and you want him out, get serious, he is one of our best runners and on waca we are gonna need everyone of them
King Of The Hille
11 Apr 2010, 17:05
IMO we need pace in the midfield, which Colyar gives us. Then we should bring in Neagle and Hurley for forwards. IMO running fast midfields and tall, strong marking forwards. Something that we havnt had for years
Im sorry but this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen you post. Are you ****ing blind? Less and less respect for you as weeks go by....
Does Matthew Lloyd and/or Scott Lucas not clasify as tall, strong marking forwards?
Slattery needs to get the **** out of the side.
In: Hurley, McVeigh
Out : Lonergan, Slattery
Would love to see Prismall and Myers back.
DVD Player
11 Apr 2010, 17:05
Hurley in for sure. Possibly Lonergan out? Houli played OK, but turned it over and did some horrid stuff. Monfries is out for it apparently. If Davey played well, possibly bring him in as well.
kelvin_sheedy
11 Apr 2010, 17:20
Outs: Houli, Lonergan
Ins: Hurley, Davey
Davey gets a reprieve after a good game at VFL and we go all out speed on the big Subi oval.
McVeigh gets a week off after 5 days hospital.
Darealrath
11 Apr 2010, 17:50
In: Hurley
Out: Lonergan/Houli
I keep changing my mind about these two. Love Lonergan's hardness and ability to play similar to Monfries when forward (though not quite as good). However with Hurley back there is one less forward spot available. Love the run Houli gave and that he can rack up the touches but he can put his teammates under pressure. I'm probably leaning towards keeping Houli.
Fletcher Pears Slattery
Dempsey Hooker Dyson
Stanton Watson Houli
Zaharakis Gumby Ryder
Williams Hurley Reimers
Hille Welsh NLM
Hocking Colyer Winderlich Melksham
Mad Bomber Sean
11 Apr 2010, 17:56
You might wanna fix that up, but I agree Houli and Winderlich were the "okay" players without a lot of impact and Welsh kept Murphy fairly quiet. If Monfries isn't okay to play then I'd keep Winderlich in the team. I don't think there's any rush for McVeigh to come back at the moment.
Sorted. Cheers :thumbsu:
Nasty Penguin
11 Apr 2010, 18:13
In: Hurley, Davey (Pris)
Out: Houli, Winda.
Houli was frustrating as usual against the blues, he has the potential but just makes stupid mistakes. It's pretty hard to keep your spot in the bombers side this year with the youngin's pushin for consistant selections (Colyer, Melksham, Howlett). Under-perform at your own peril. GO BOMBERS!!!!!
Im sorry but this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen you post. Are you ****ing blind? Less and less respect for you as weeks go by....
Does Matthew Lloyd and/or Scott Lucas not clasify as tall, strong marking forwards?
Slattery needs to get the **** out of the side.
In: Hurley, McVeigh
Out : Lonergan, Slattery
Would love to see Prismall and Myers back.
Stanton Legend! you bag him out, then you come out and say
Slattery needs to get the **** out of the side.
and then to follow, after not having actually watching the reserves
Would love to see Prismall and Myers back.
I raise a glass to your stupidy Stanton Legend, cheers to you :D :p
dirtywhitepacker
11 Apr 2010, 22:03
Winderlich has one poor game and you want him out, get serious, he is one of our best runners and on waca we are gonna need everyone of them
To be honest, this is the first time I've said Winderlich shouldn't be in any of our teams. When fit, I love this bloke. But you have to admit he has been ordinary, not saying terrible, my exact words earlier were 'very average'. You'd say Monfries is a lock-in for our best 22? So if he is declared fit to play, who would you drop for him? Keep in mind team balance.
I'm only saying Winderlich should be dropped IF Monfries is fit, otherwise he stays.
To be honest, this is the first time I've said Winderlich shouldn't be in any of our teams. When fit, I love this bloke. But you have to admit he has been ordinary, not saying terrible, my exact words earlier were 'very average'. You'd say Monfries is a lock-in for our best 22? So if he is declared fit to play, who would you drop for him? Keep in mind team balance.
I'm only saying Winderlich should be dropped IF Monfries is fit, otherwise he stays.
Dont think Monfries is a lock in our best 22... just yet :cool:
PaintItRedAndBlack
11 Apr 2010, 22:28
Knights says Monfries is likely to miss again and I wouldn't want to risk McVeigh. Give them both another week off and bring them back fresh for Anzac Day.
In - Hurley
Out - Lonergan
Agree :thumbsu:
Dont think Monfries is a lock in our best 22... just yet :cool:
Monfries has been a lock for a couple seasons now IMO
Monfries has been a lock for a couple seasons now IMO
****ed if i know why :confused:
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 23:07
Going to have to disagree with you there on Monfries, HFF.
He offers a great marking HF target, something we've been lacking. If he were 4 inches taller, we'd be talking about him alongside Roughead and Kosi IMO.
Going to have to disagree with you there on Monfries, HFF.
He offers a great marking HF target, something we've been lacking. If he were 4 inches taller, we'd be talking about him alongside Roughead and Kosi IMO.
I have watched him closely at times. and he has constantly got in the way of our KPP's. Neagle in particular.
mark1881
12 Apr 2010, 09:26
Don't mess with a winning formula. Gotta keep team moral up. Also let the guys playing for Bendigo k that one good game in the twos doesn't mean you'll walk into the seniors the next week.
IN: Hurley
OUT: Lonergan
Pocket_Pears
12 Apr 2010, 09:28
If he were 4 inches taller, we'd be talking about him alongside Roughead and Kosi IMO.
Monfries is already a better forward than Kosi.
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 09:30
Going to have to disagree with you there on Monfries, HFF.
He offers a great marking HF target, something we've been lacking. If he were 4 inches taller, we'd be talking about him alongside Roughead and Kosi IMO.
Fairly big "if". Are you hoping for a late growth spurt???
In Hurley
Out... Houli? Maybe???
Pretty tricky to pick an out. And I DON'T want to see McVeigh brought straight back. He was a lock 2 years ago, not so much now.
I'd like to give Davey one more week in the magoos.
So the only change I'd like to make would be Hurley for Lonergan.
Houli to get one more chance on Friday night to prove that he deserves to be in the side because he made some terrible decisions against Carlton.
Don't mess with a winning formula. Gotta keep team moral up. Also let the guys playing for Bendigo k that one good game in the twos doesn't mean you'll walk into the seniors the next week.
IN: Hurley
OUT: Lonergan
This. :thumbsu:
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 11:14
Fairly big "if". Are you hoping for a late growth spurt???
:D:thumbsu:
What I'm trying to say is that he's an undersized CHF, and is making a pretty good fist of it, given his size.
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 11:19
Then maybe John Williams is an undersized ruckman doing really, really well??
Very odd line of reasoning.
I regard him as being old enough to figure himself out and play more as a flanker and crumber under the talls.
He does lots of good things leading hard into space, but also does some silly stuff flying - taking his man with him - against our talls. He can crumb reasonably well, I just don't know why he doesn't do it more often.
It was really, really good to see Colyer naturally set himself to crumb - we lack that.
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 11:32
What I'm saying is that due to issues with our list, he's been forced to play CHF and has been doing well. Hopefully with Hurbleton in this week, he can be played on a wing or as a very high HFF, giving us another option out of defence.
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 11:34
What you're saying is he's been pushed out of the forward line
I'm a lot happier with Zaka and Reimers as the smalls than Gus. Look so much more likely to kick goals (albeit Zaka can't hit a barn door at the moment)
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 11:43
Gus isn't a small in the same sense as Zaka and Reimers. Gus is a marking target, and I think there's a role for him in our forwardline, as the high HFF.
table tennis
12 Apr 2010, 11:44
Hurley & Monfries In
Lonergan & Probably houli, However I would like to see Houli in still.
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 11:49
Gus isn't a small in the same sense as Zaka and Reimers. Gus is a marking target, and I think there's a role for him in our forwardline, as the high HFF.
Zaka's doing pretty well leading up and marking. Led the comp for contested marks in rd 1. I would not mess up the small forward setup for anyone, most dangerous looking forward line for many years, just chuck Hurley in there... lovely.
I hope they throw Gus into the middle for Bendigo when he's fit. Needs a new role IMHO.
eth-dog
12 Apr 2010, 12:14
IN: Hurley
OUT: Lonergan
Slattery-Pears-Fletcher
Dempsey-Hooker-Dyson
Stanton-Watson-Hocking
Winderlich-Gumbleton-Zaharakis
Reimers-Hurley-Williams
Ryder-Welsh-Melksham
Hille-NLM-Houli-Colyer
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 12:18
I heart eth-dog's post.
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 12:20
Zaka's playing a different role to what I want Gus to play. Gus should be pushing up to the wing to get uncontested marks.
Giggidy Giggidy
12 Apr 2010, 12:25
What I'm saying is that due to issues with our list, he's been forced to play CHF and has been doing well. Hopefully with Hurbleton in this week, he can be played on a wing or as a very high HFF, giving us another option out of defence.
Gus isn't a small in the same sense as Zaka and Reimers. Gus is a marking target, and I think there's a role for him in our forwardline, as the high HFF.
Couldn't have put it better myself BTG. Gus has been our makeshift CHF for a few years now due to the injuries/form of Gumby/Lucas/Lloyd, and has done a brilliant job of it. Definitely lock IMO, and could really explode as a HFF leading up to the wing providing an alternate option to Gumby's lead, then turning to hit-up Hurls/Willow/etc.... or Gumby on the lead back to goal which he looked good at on Sat night (without much reward).
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 12:30
Zaka's playing a different role to what I want Gus to play. Gus should be pushing up to the wing to get uncontested marks.
How many forwards are we having?
Willo, Gumby, and I daresay Hurley will be picked every week.
As far as I can see, Zaka is doing Monfries' accustomed job, plus some. He's been working, marking and looking dangerous in every game so far (just needs to finish better). I'd rather he and Reimers stay than pushing one out for Gus.
Not a bad problem to have at all.
Towno78
12 Apr 2010, 12:38
Neither McVeigh nor Monfries will be ready I don't believe, and apparently both Prismall and Myers had stinkers in the Magoos, so:
In: Hurley, Howlett
Out: Melksham, Lonergan
Melksham, great debut, but needs to work on his fitness. Lonergan, provided us with nothing when he should've had a rocket up him after missing Rds 1&2.
Lucky: Winderlich, he has not provided enough in any game as yet, but we need his run on Subi, so he'll need to lift or he would surely face the axe.
Houli, many poor decisions/disposals. At least he found plenty of the ball, so give him another chance and a little bit of confidence to turn it around.
Towno78
12 Apr 2010, 12:43
How many forwards are we having?
Willo, Gumby, and I daresay Hurley will be picked every week.
As far as I can see, Zaka is doing Monfries' accustomed job, plus some. He's been working, marking and looking dangerous in every game so far (just needs to finish better). I'd rather he and Reimers stay than pushing one out for Gus.
Not a bad problem to have at all.
Monfries, Zaka and Reimington are all looking very dangerous in front of goals. Prob the 3 most dangerous in the team (the imminent Hurley may change that). Only room for 2 of them in there, so lets rotate them all through the midfield in short spurts (I don't think any of them have the tank to stay in there for long periods at the mo), so we have only 2 forward at any one time.
Phat Toni
12 Apr 2010, 12:46
Win is a win and I'm always happy to beat the Blues but seriously that was one of the lowest standards of games I've ever been at. No intensity, no clear structure and deplorable skills on both teams’ behalf, I've seen better games in the YVMDFL. But I suppose that's what you get when you roll out two very young teams.
Changes this week:
Out - Players who cant kick
In - Players who can kick
Based on this theory, there will be more out's than in's. Do you think Brisbane would be happy with a trade of Houli, Welsh, Lonergan and Myers for Drummond? Seriously we need to find somebody with his level of foot skills.
I don't know if we should be bringing McVeigh straight back into the side. Six changes was a lot and I think we should aim to be more settled going into the Eagles game. I would like
In : Gus
Out : Longergan
Slattery_20
12 Apr 2010, 13:24
Hurley >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monfries.
If one was 6'4", he'd be a gun CHF.
If the other was 6'4", he'd still be a gun CHF and CHB.
Hurley comes in. I guess Lonergan out, pending anyone pulling up sore.
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 14:47
How many forwards are we having?
Willo, Gumby, and I daresay Hurley will be picked every week.
As far as I can see, Zaka is doing Monfries' accustomed job, plus some. He's been working, marking and looking dangerous in every game so far (just needs to finish better). I'd rather he and Reimers stay than pushing one out for Gus.
Not a bad problem to have at all.
Hurley, Gumby, Williams as talls (Willo third tall).
Zaka, Reimers FP.
Gus HFF.
centurion
12 Apr 2010, 14:51
Gus most likely will miss again this week.
Skeeta Olly
12 Apr 2010, 15:07
The thing that annoys me about Gus is that it's like playing with 17 people on the ground sometimes. He constantly goes to ground and these days it isn't good enough any more. He needs to keep his feet and contest the ball if he drops it or it's a poor kick. I'm sick of hm going to ground.