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High Ryder
11 Apr 2010, 19:50
If he keeps up his current form, i think so.
Absolutely giving anyone who goes near him a bath.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 20:01
He'd be pretty close to it...Taylor from the Cats would be the leading KPD at the moment, then there's Grundy who's been playing out of his skin.
Jonesy1987
11 Apr 2010, 20:02
Close but not quite there. He and Hooker have excellent so far, but Cale has been better than Pears IMO.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 20:27
Close but not quite there. He and Hooker have excellent so far, but Cale has been better than Pears IMO.
Really? I don't think so.
I think that because we all recognise Tayte as an uber-GUN that his form doesn't really surprise us and that Hooker who is also playing fantastically is more of a surprise to us because we didn't think he would come on like he has and thus have rated him higher than his actual output suggests.
^^If that makes any sense.
blitzer
11 Apr 2010, 20:43
I don't think any of key defenders even have a chance of winning AA until our midfield improves because there will always be too many turnovers and with a lack of defensive pressure our defence will concede goals no matter what. You only have to look at a top quality defender like Scarlet and realise that all his AA years have been since Geelong's midfield became top notch. It's a bit like Fletch getting his AA in 2000. It's much easier to get AA when your supported by a great team. That said Pears is an absolute gun and we are damn lucky to have him.
Frothies Mcveigh
11 Apr 2010, 20:43
Not far off it, Hooker has been superb too but Pears has been better than him. Grundy's form has been unbelievable.
Jonesy1987
11 Apr 2010, 20:47
Really? I don't think so.
I think that because we all recognise Tayte as an uber-GUN that his form doesn't really surprise us and that Hooker who is also playing fantastically is more of a surprise to us because we didn't think he would come on like he has and thus have rated him higher than his actual output suggests.
^^If that makes any sense.
Pears has been in our best 3 once this season, Hooker has twice. No rose tinted glasses. The fact that Pears performance was in a win makes people value it more.
tha Freak
11 Apr 2010, 20:49
Watching the game on Saturday I was thinking to myself, how lucky for Pears to have a bloke like Fletcher standing beside him in the back line. Pears is a gun and his has the best mentor in the game bar none.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 21:56
Pears has been in our best 3 once this season, Hooker has twice. No rose tinted glasses. The fact that Pears performance was in a win makes people value it more.
I've had Pears in twice in the last two weeks, and can't remember Geelong.
This time last year we were saying the same about Dempsey... so hopefully he can maintain it for the duration of the season but he's only a young lad.
Jonesy1987
11 Apr 2010, 22:12
I've had Pears in twice in the last two weeks, and can't remember Geelong.
Hooker played on Mooney and gave him bath, was our second best player behind Stanton that day, Pears was ok. Fremantle, both were decent I had Hooker just in our best 3, Pears was about 4th-5th. Carlton, I had Pears equal third with Williams and Hooker about 6th best.
Not much between them at all, just think there have been better key defenders going around.
I don't think any of key defenders even have a chance of winning AA until our midfield improves because there will always be too many turnovers and with a lack of defensive pressure our defence will concede goals no matter what. You only have to look at a top quality defender like Scarlet and realise that all his AA years have been since Geelong's midfield became top notch. It's a bit like Fletch getting his AA in 2000. It's much easier to get AA when your supported by a great team. That said Pears is an absolute gun and we are damn lucky to have him.Scarlett won AA selection in 2003.
bipolarbeaR
11 Apr 2010, 23:48
Close but not quite there. He and Hooker have excellent so far, but Cale has been better than Pears IMO.
There has been a bigger improvement in Cale, but Tayte has been better.
loopy_cam
12 Apr 2010, 00:47
Same thing was said about Ryder 3 games in two or three years ago.
He'd be nowhere near it. AA has alot of basis on reputation.
Jonesy1987
12 Apr 2010, 01:13
There has been a bigger improvement in Cale, but Tayte has been better.
Didn't think there was much between them at the end of last year.
DVD Player
12 Apr 2010, 10:44
Maybe not this year, but will easily come into contention within the next few years, hooker to.
rhysman
12 Apr 2010, 11:42
This kid is a real gun. You rarely get KP defenders playing as well as he is at 20 years of age but he hasn't been beaten yet and plays with such assurety. You always feel confident when he has the ball. Hooker, as good as he's been, always leaves you with that feeling that he's about to make a monumental mistake, ala that kick straight to Setanta in the goalsquare on Saturday night. Overall though, very happy to have them holding down the key defensive posts. This will free up Hurley to play at Full Forward.
bacon buster
12 Apr 2010, 12:19
don't care if he's AA or not (AA is a bit of a joke as we all know), but i wouldn't trade him for any other young KP back in the comp.
He has continued his form from last year. If he keeps on going he'll be close. I'm hoping for a call up to the top 40 shortlist.
Knight Ryders
12 Apr 2010, 15:32
Pears would be close to getting short listed at this early stage and the other one I like is Frawley from Melbourne, even though he plays more BP. Grundy has been very good but let's wait until he played on some better opposition (the same could be said for Pears).
bomberstomake8
12 Apr 2010, 16:52
Both have been very very good however they are still IMO yet to beat anyone of note this year. Im looking forward to the day we play a team which major strength is its forward line. Thinking of Hawthorn or Brisbane
Roughhead- Pears, Franklin- Hooker....
Fevola- Pears, Brown- Hooker
should be very interesting to watch. As another poster said I think AA does take into account reputation. I cant see scarlett being overlooked this year, taylor will be up there. as other posters have said grundy taken a huge step. You would think right now though that Hooker and pears would both be pushing top 40, fletcher as well.
Shows how good this defence is at the momment and will be for a while yet
SirJimi05
12 Apr 2010, 20:27
Pears has been in our best 3 once this season, Hooker has twice. No rose tinted glasses. The fact that Pears performance was in a win makes people value it more.
Pears wasn't even named in the best this week even though he was quite clearly one of the best players on the ground.
Not sure if i'd be using that as a gauge tbh.
SirJimi05
12 Apr 2010, 20:28
Pears would be close to getting short listed at this early stage and the other one I like is Frawley from Melbourne, even though he plays more BP. Grundy has been very good but let's wait until he played on some better opposition (the same could be said for Pears).
Pavlich is handy.
Jonesy1987
12 Apr 2010, 20:33
Pears wasn't even named in the best this week even though he was quite clearly one of the best players on the ground.
Not sure if i'd be using that as a gauge tbh.
Not actually based on a best list, just my opinion.
Smyth94
12 Apr 2010, 20:34
Pears wasn't even named in the best this week even though he was quite clearly one of the best players on the ground.
Not sure if i'd be using that as a gauge tbh.
I found that quite bizarre...I thought Pears was easily in our top 3 players.
Jonesy1987
12 Apr 2010, 20:38
I found that quite bizarre...I thought Pears was easily in our top 3 players.
Was in but IMO it wasn't clear cut, had Fletcher and Reimers better than him and Williams on par.
High Ryder
12 Apr 2010, 23:25
Williams was nowhere near our best, probably a dozen better players on Saturday night.
Knight Ryders
12 Apr 2010, 23:29
Pavlich is handy.
True, I was trying to downplay it a little. Waite and Hawkins are only so so though, even though I was very impressed that he can play on the mobile types like Waite and still do a job on them. Absolutely smashed them in the first quarter and a half.
Jonesy1987
13 Apr 2010, 04:42
Williams was nowhere near our best, probably a dozen better players on Saturday night.
Rubbish, kicked 4, would have been 5 if not for Thorntons dive, set up two others, in total involved in 6 goals is very good night.
Smyth94
13 Apr 2010, 07:54
Rubbish, kicked 4, would have been 5 if not for Thorntons dive, set up two others, in total involved in 6 goals is very good night.
Hmmm I'd have Fletch, Reimers, Pears, Watson, Melksham, Colyer before Williams just off the top of my head
Sure Willo kicked four but other than that he barely had a touch - it was a good game but not better than the aforementioned. I hope this is the kick start to Willos season
ghostdog
13 Apr 2010, 11:42
Pears is consistently a solid performer. He's proven in contested situations, he can play in front, he links up well with the other backmen as well as providing support, he is a rebound defender who isn't afraid to run off his man if the opportunity presents itself, he shows great composure and his decision making seems to keep improving.
Loved Pears to Skipworth -> GOAL! v Carlton.
If he isn't AA he's definitely making a case for it.
Jonesy1987
13 Apr 2010, 15:18
Hmmm I'd have Fletch, Reimers, Pears, Watson, Melksham, Colyer before Williams just off the top of my head
Sure Willo kicked four but other than that he barely had a touch - it was a good game but not better than the aforementioned. I hope this is the kick start to Willos season
IMO he doesn't need to do more, we desperately need someone to kick goals more than anything and Willo did that and as long as he continues to do that he'll be in the side.
I dont think he will be AA, they often reward players who are good over a couple of years.
Sam Gilbert, Hamish Macintosh. Both ring a bell?
If Tayte puts in a good year, then maybe next year he can take the next step.
Does anyone else think that Tayte reminds you of Brian Lake.
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 18:02
Does anyone else think that Tayte reminds you of Brian Lake.
nah, more like one Matthew Scarlett.
nah, more like one Matthew Scarlett.
Contested marking is a feature of both players games, as well as starting attacking forays.
hm... spose, a bit of both really?
Originally I saw Pears as similar to Darren Glass, but his offensive rebounding is already superior to the Eagles captain.
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 18:18
Contested marking is a feature of both players games, as well as starting attacking forays.
hm... spose, a bit of both really?
Don't mind, just Pears doesn't seem to have the height of Lake, and has the attacking qualities of Scarlett, and a similar sort of defender
I don't really mind if that's the case :p
Don't mind, just Pears doesn't seem to have the height of Lake, and has the attacking qualities of Scarlett, and a similar sort of defender
I don't really mind if that's the case :p
Hm. really??
Brian Lake: 195cm, 104kg
Tayte Pears: 191cm:eek: , 90kg :eek:
plays like Lake, thought he would of been about the same height, but wow.
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 19:14
Hm. really??
Brian Lake: 195cm, 104kg
Tayte Pears: 191cm:eek: , 90kg :eek:
plays like Lake, thought he would of been about the same height, but wow.
I honestly thought Lake was taller, around the 198 cm mark, but happy to be proven wrong
I honestly thought Lake was taller, around the 198 cm mark, but happy to be proven wrong
I thought that Pears was like 194 - 195cm, but he is only 191cm.
Darcy Daniher is also 191cm, he plays like he is that, Pears plays like he is 194/195cm, that sets them apart.
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 19:30
I thought that Pears was like 194 - 195cm, but he is only 191cm.
Darcy Daniher is also 191cm, he plays like he is that, Pears plays like he is 194/195cm, that sets them apart.
I thought Pears always looked like Scarlett, and Hooker was more of a rebounding Lake
I thought Pears always looked like Scarlett, and Hooker was more of a rebounding Lake
Hooker = Taylor IMO?
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 19:35
Hooker = Taylor IMO?
possibly, I can see it. I like to compare him to the Oldest Man in the AFL, Fletch :thumbsu:.
possibly, I can see it. I like to compare him to the Oldest Man in the AFL, Fletch :thumbsu:.
Oh yeah, I can see that.
Hm.. not much else to compare him to is there?
eth-dog
13 Apr 2010, 19:48
Oh yeah, I can see that.
Hm.. not much else to compare him to is there?
I've got a few more, like
Gumbleton=Riewoldt
Hurley=Brown
Reimers=Aker
thats it atm
How about..
Jason Winderlich = Chance Bateman
Henry Slattery = Henry Slattery
Boucks09
13 Apr 2010, 20:22
He is playing very very well. As is Hooker. I would actually have Fletcher ahead of them both TBH at the moment.
Smyth94
13 Apr 2010, 20:35
He is playing very very well. As is Hooker. I would actually have Fletcher ahead of them both TBH at the moment.
I thought Fletch was pretty poor vs Geelong, Pears and Hooker have been good to excellent from rounds 1-3.
Boucks09
13 Apr 2010, 20:47
I thought Fletch was pretty poor vs Geelong, Pears and Hooker have been good to excellent from rounds 1-3.
Fletcher's disposal was poor and cost us a couple of goals. But his defensive work was absolutely amazing and he played on an amazing range of forwards (smalls and talls). Hooker and Pears were probably better on the night, but Fletch wasn't too far off.
I'd actually have him close to leading our B&F with Watson atm (sounds like last year).
Longy413
13 Apr 2010, 21:10
Hmmm I'd have Fletch, Reimers, Pears, Watson, Melksham, Colyer before Williams just off the top of my head
Probably unrelated, but if those two weren't first gamers would you have them in your best?
If they had the same output but had played 50 games, would you have been satisfied enough to put them in their best.
Williams made a pretty big impact on the result of the match.
Henry Slattery = Henry Slattery
Paul Hamliton?
Smyth94
13 Apr 2010, 21:23
Probably unrelated, but if those two weren't first gamers would you have them in your best?
If they had the same output but had played 50 games, would you have been satisfied enough to put them in their best.
Williams made a pretty big impact on the result of the match.
Paul Hamliton?
I see where you coming from, it's most likely the fact that they exceeded expectation so greatly that I've rated their games so highly but I thought Colyer in particular was quite important at stages during the game, one of his runs cut through about 3-4 Carlton players in the middle and then offloaded to Reimers who passed to Gumby, that was pretty much created by Colyer.
mayhem20202
14 Apr 2010, 07:48
I think that because we all recognise Tayte as an uber-GUN that his form doesn't really surprise us and that Hooker who is also playing fantastically is more of a surprise to us because we didn't think he would come on like he has and thus have rated him higher than his actual output suggests.
Hooker got a tough rap because he was made to play out of position because Hille was injured and we had Hurley to cover for him down back.
Longy413
14 Apr 2010, 08:41
I see where you coming from, it's most likely the fact that they exceeded expectation so greatly that I've rated their games so highly but I thought Colyer in particular was quite important at stages during the game, one of his runs cut through about 3-4 Carlton players in the middle and then offloaded to Reimers who passed to Gumby, that was pretty much created by Colyer.
You're right, they were both great.
And they both contributed to the scoreboard in setting up scoring opportunities, but personally, a bloke who kicks four in a night that wasn't highlighted by great skill or great kicking goal and a bloke who had the confidence to go back and slot one from 40+ on the boundary, has made a pretty significant impact on the game.
Neither here nor there really, was great to see all three of them play a role.
Slattery_20
14 Apr 2010, 09:47
Pears is actually a more talented footballer than Brian Lake, IMHO. Faster, some attacking flair and a better kick. (I'm not saying he's better, his raw attributes are)
Lake was a very, very bland, boring, (tho reliable enough) full-back for most of his career. And copped some savage bags from Lloydy amongst others. He matured late and has a big influence now.
Smyth94
14 Apr 2010, 09:51
You're right, they were both great.
And they both contributed to the scoreboard in setting up scoring opportunities, but personally, a bloke who kicks four in a night that wasn't highlighted by great skill or great kicking goal and a bloke who had the confidence to go back and slot one from 40+ on the boundary, has made a pretty significant impact on the game.
Neither here nor there really, was great to see all three of them play a role.
Yep - agree 100%, when you look at it that way - Willo's game was huge.
windyhill
14 Apr 2010, 20:21
Unfortunately for Tayte he may suffer from what poor old Scotty Lucas was afflicted with year after year when it came to AA, IE, he plays for Essendon, so no.
The Great Barry Besanko
14 Apr 2010, 22:39
Pears poise really impresses me. Seems to have a lot of time when he's got the ball and usually does something good with it. Looking like a young Scarlett.
The AA selectors will probably pick 2 or 3 KP's in the back 6.
It is still a stretch for Pears to make AA in 2010, even if he continues his current vein of form.
Then again the AA selectors made their worst selection in the last 10 years in 2009 when C.Bolton was selected CHB.
He couldn't make the Swans Top 10.
mayhem20202
15 Apr 2010, 06:24
Unfortunately for Tayte he may suffer from what poor old Scotty Lucas was afflicted with year after year when it came to AA, IE, he plays for Essendon, so no.
Oh my god, what a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Slattery_20
15 Apr 2010, 09:34
It's more about having to fit in a token from an Adelaide side and one from a Perth side, no matter what.
ie Pavlich, full-back, over Fletch, in 2000.
Pears might get the WA 'vote' due to his origins.
windyhill
15 Apr 2010, 21:09
Oh my god, what a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
So tell me what more Lucas had to do to get AA ?
So tell me what more Lucas had to do to get AA ?
Use his knees....
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2010, 17:56
I found that quite bizarre...I thought Pears was easily in our top 3 players.
Was in but IMO it wasn't clear cut, had Fletcher and Reimers better than him and Williams on par.
Our best 3 players? Best 3 on ground without a doubt. If he wasn't a defender he would be a shoe in for 3 charlies.
Jonesy, Pears was just as damaging on the rebound as Fletcher, held his man just as well, but played on the superior forwards. Had Fletch covered pretty easily imo.
Obviously it doesn't take much for Williams to get in the best players in most peoples eyes. I thought he was handy but no way near best.
ghostdog
16 Apr 2010, 18:20
Obviously it doesn't take much for Williams to get in the best players in most peoples eyes. I thought he was handy but no way near best.
Agreed. Williams found himself in the right place at the right time mostly. There wasn't anything resembling particular individual brilliance, bar the set shot from the boundary, and that's because I'm a complete hack by comparison. A standard for an AFL forward I would think.
Jonesy1987
16 Apr 2010, 18:21
Our best 3 players? Best 3 on ground without a doubt. If he wasn't a defender he would be a shoe in for 3 charlies.
Jonesy, Pears was just as damaging on the rebound as Fletcher, held his man just as well, but played on the superior forwards. Had Fletch covered pretty easily imo.
Obviously it doesn't take much for Williams to get in the best players in most peoples eyes. I thought he was handy but no way near best.
Excellent shut down defender, rebounds beautifully, my one gripe with his game, he doesn't peel off and go third man up very often. Fletch was seen as B.O.G. by nearly everyone in the votes thread. Fletcher's chase on Betts who wasn't even is his man, is an example of Pears youth, while an absolute gun, he is still inexperienced and understandably a little worried about his opponent.
Williams kicked 4 goals, had another touched on the line, handed one off and his tackle on Kreuzer got Reimers his second goal. His role is to set up and kick goals, he did that 6 times on the weekend. What else does he have to do?
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2010, 18:31
Excellent shut down defender, rebounds beautifully, my one gripe with his game, he doesn't peel off and go third man up very often. Fletch was seen as B.O.G. by nearly everyone in the votes thread. Fletcher's chase on Betts who wasn't even is his man, is an example of Pears youth, while an absolute gun, he is still inexperienced and understandably a little worried about his opponent.
Because he takes the best forward every week. The gorilla forwards. The last thing i want to see him doing is leaving Riewoldt or Pav or Brown to go help out his teamates.
Fletcher plays on the third best forward specifically so he can do the third man up thingy.
Jonesy1987
16 Apr 2010, 18:43
Because he takes the best forward every week. The gorilla forwards. The last thing i want to see him doing is leaving Riewoldt or Pav or Brown to go help out his teamates.
Fletcher plays on the third best forward specifically so he can do the third man up thingy.
Don't see Matty Scarlett or Brian Lake saying that. Obviously he is still young, if he wants to improve his game from where it is now, its what he needs to add. Pears wasn't even doing it when he was playing on Hawkins let alone Pav or Riewoldt, Hooker had Mooney and was continually peeling off to help. That team mentality is what will take us forward, not the individual.
HighettBomber
16 Apr 2010, 20:26
Excellent shut down defender, rebounds beautifully, my one gripe with his game, he doesn't peel off and go third man up very often. Fletch was seen as B.O.G. by nearly everyone in the votes thread. Fletcher's chase on Betts who wasn't even is his man, is an example of Pears youth, while an absolute gun, he is still inexperienced and understandably a little worried about his opponent.
Williams kicked 4 goals, had another touched on the line, handed one off and his tackle on Kreuzer got Reimers his second goal. His role is to set up and kick goals, he did that 6 times on the weekend. What else does he have to do?
You're a hard task master. Pears obviously hasn't reached the standard of Fletcher, Lake or Scarlett in terms of helping out his team mates but they are all pretty good players. I would put his efforts in that regard as well above average. He's also very good in the stoppages in the backline, I think he could play onball reasonably well if we ever decided to try him there (not suggesting we do).
I agree with your comment on Williams. He was very good and did the job we recruited him for.
ningnangnong
16 Apr 2010, 23:39
:heart: him
Average tonight - Got towelled up early by an average player - Hansen.
Improved when he went to kennedy.
Pratt = Premiers
17 Apr 2010, 09:37
This guy is full of talent, but my opinion is he is getting a little too far ahead of himself. Last night he was full of lip again, gave away consecutive 50's becuase he was mouthing off at the umpire.
Round 1 i think he might have even given Brad Ottens a rub on the head after he gave a free kick away, only to see the ball rebound back and ottens mark it and goal.
At his age he just needs to put his head down, work hard and then, after a couple of premiership, AA's or something, he can start those sort of antics.
Smyth94
17 Apr 2010, 09:42
I don't blame him for mouthing off to the umpires, they ****ing crucified him tonight, FFS with these soft "in the back" frees.
Tayte Pears:
D.O.B: 24 March 1990 (20 correct)
A KID is being asked to play in a mans position, when he is Dyson's age, or that of another more experienced senior player then we can get on his back.
At the moment, Pears is still a kid who hates being beaten (you'd think), and will give away some undisiplinary free kicks.
And to Yaco, yes Hansen is average, but when the ball comes in as crisply as it did last night, you look a million bucks.
The Falcon Strike
17 Apr 2010, 12:06
We'll trade you Scott Selwood for him - he was a higher draft pick.
Drafting is always easy in hindsight - but this kid is already one of the better KPD's in the league - and the reality is - he's not far from AA at the moment. I daresay he'll get it next year, as for some reason 1 standout year is rarely rewarded.
I know Hooker was reasonable last night - but Hurley to me looks like a natural CHB. I could be proven wrong and he could gun at CHF - but a few games last year i watched him in defence and was mesmerised.
A key position of Pears and Hurley for 10 years scares the shit out of me - i've said often they could be the next McIntosh/Jakovich combo- that's how good they look.
Tayte Pears:
D.O.B: 24 March 1990 (20 correct)
A KID is being asked to play in a mans position, when he is Dyson's age, or that of another more experienced senior player then we can get on his back.
At the moment, Pears is still a kid who hates being beaten (you'd think), and will give away some undisiplinary free kicks.
And to Yaco, yes Hansen is average, but when the ball comes in as crisply as it did last night, you look a million bucks.
Dont use delivery as an excuse
1) Hansen took two or three contested marks against Pears.
2) WC is about the poorest kicking team in the AFL
3) Our tall defenders were poor in the air last night
Mayneman
18 Apr 2010, 01:18
Really think Pears and Hooker have been good this year.
I rate Hooker ahead of Pears, he's one player I wouldnt mind using the Freo Essendon connection to snare ;)
Dont use delivery as an excuse
1) Hansen took two or three contested marks against Pears.
2) WC is about the poorest kicking team in the AFL
3) Our tall defenders were poor in the air last night
AFL.com.au says Hansen only took 1 Contested Mark.
I thought they were ok, but thats just me.. Like I have said though Yaco, he is still a kid. When he is getting soundly beatenn when he is in his prime, then we can say he is in poor form, for the time being, he is still a kid learning his trade.
Tailypo
18 Apr 2010, 10:46
Just from watching the first quarter alone, one of Hansen's uncontested marks was when Pears had to drop back and cover Naitanui because Ryder (or whoever was on him) was lurking elsewhere and then Hansen just slipped into the space in front of them. Fair enough for thinking they would go to the dangerous NicNat, who was loose and closer to goal. One of our loose guys could have helped out and manned up.
abers47
18 Apr 2010, 21:20
The worst thing about tayte's game was his hair! Lol! Did he lose a bet?
AFL.com.au says Hansen only took 1 Contested Mark.
I thought they were ok, but thats just me.. Like I have said though Yaco, he is still a kid. When he is getting soundly beatenn when he is in his prime, then we can say he is in poor form, for the time being, he is still a kid learning his trade.
I rate Pears as the second best young player at EFC after Hurley.
I never said that Pears was in poor form - But that he was average against the WC.
I think that Knights got the match ups wrong initially
It should have been
hooker vs Hansen
Pears vs Kennedy