View Full Version : We won't improve as a side if Welsh, Watson, Stanton and Prismall are in the same side
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 20:11
So were the words of ant555
He's 100% right. It's amazing the difference a few players who are willing to chase and tackle makes.
kelvin_sheedy
11 Apr 2010, 20:16
pfft, Ant555.
Was that the guy who repeated a few posters calls 6 months later?
Neagle fat and lazy, Freo debacle lat year, the above midfield problem. Selection issues, yadda, yadda
Ludwig van Bertstare
11 Apr 2010, 20:17
The only role I want Welsh to play is tagger, if it's anything else he shouldn't be in the side and he did that well yesterday.
lemon chicken
11 Apr 2010, 20:22
Prismall 2 GC
I 2nd this motion.
Ludwig van Bertstare
11 Apr 2010, 20:22
I 2nd this motion.
Better yet, notion.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 20:22
Watson and Stanton are the two clear standouts.
Although I dispute Stanton's inclusion in that list. He's hardly a slow, one-paced midfielder. Hocking and Lonergan are better names.
Wahooti Fandango
11 Apr 2010, 20:23
The only role I want Welsh to play is tagger, if it's anything else he shouldn't be in the side and he did that well yesterday.
Agree as he can shut guys down and is also a handy clearance player.
Prismall 2 GC
Yep.
Stanton, Welsh and Watson in the one team is fine.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 20:24
It makes me wonder why we even targetted Prismall in the first place. We already had enough of his type at the club anyway.
He would make an attractive option for the GC.
I want players who are willing to lay their bodies on the line, run hard defensively and offensively - watching the Geelong v Freo game, every Geelong midfield does this - they run hard both ways, Jimmy Bartel is a quality example.
I hope Pris stays in the VFL until lesson is learnt and until then we keep playing blokes who are willing to work harder.
lemon chicken
11 Apr 2010, 20:27
Better yet, notion.
Thanks, could i get away with typo? They're close. :D
Prismall bandwagon's gone already?
It feels like yesterday when everyone was treating him as a saviour, or at least a crucial part of our midfield.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 20:40
Watson and Stanton are the two clear standouts.
Although I dispute Stanton's inclusion in that list. He's hardly a slow, one-paced midfielder. Hocking and Lonergan are better names.
I wasn't really having a crack at Stanton, just the style of game he plays in relation to other players i.e. Prismall
Frothies Mcveigh
11 Apr 2010, 20:40
Prismall to GC needs to happen. Welsh Watson and Stanton together is fine.
Duckworth
11 Apr 2010, 20:45
Prismall bandwagon's gone already?
It feels like yesterday when everyone was treating him as a saviour, or at least a crucial part of our midfield.
"The mob is fickle, brother. He'll be forgotten in a month" - Gladiator
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 20:47
I wasn't really having a crack at Stanton, just the style of game he plays in relation to other players i.e. Prismall
I know, I just think that as our clear second best midfielder he's not really one of those to be considered for dropping. Watson is even less likely, but he actually is slow and one paced.:p
Charliebrow 16
11 Apr 2010, 20:49
I'm a big supporter of Prismall. He just needs to play some VFL, gain some confidence and learn to run both offensively and defensively. He'll be okay.
Prismall bandwagon's gone already?
It feels like yesterday when everyone was treating him as a saviour, or at least a crucial part of our midfield.
Tbf many of the people in here were either against the trade in the first place (I think Ben was) or have spoken out against him since he's been here (Kelvin; PP).
Ludwig van Bertstare
11 Apr 2010, 20:57
Tbf many of the people in here were either against the trade in the first place (I think Ben was) or have spoken out against him since he's been here (Kelvin; PP).
Put me in the first group.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 20:58
My phrase was "vanilla midfielder" and I haven't seen much to dissuade me from that.
Having said that, I was all for trading pick 39. 23 would have been far too much, but 39 was a bargain.
Skeeta Olly
11 Apr 2010, 20:58
I was a fan before he came to Essendon. But like the title says, he needs to push out one of the above to break into our midfield. Also include McVeigh in that list.
Tbf many of the people in here were either against the trade in the first place (I think Ben was) or have spoken out against him since he's been here (Kelvin; PP).
I'll trust you on that but it seems there's not much disagreeing going on. If this was posted 6 months ago the thread would be filled with angry supporters calling for Charliebrow's head.
quick question for Ben the Gooner.
What does Stanton (at his best) bring to the table that Winderlich (at his best) does not bring?
both the same player IMO.
As for Welsh, you cannot play Welsh/Hocking/Prismal in the same side.
Watson has to be played, needs to get it on the boot more often however, his only down fall really.
Smyth94
11 Apr 2010, 21:06
quick question for Ben the Gooner.
What does Stanton (at his best) bring to the table that Winderlich (at his best) does not bring?
both the same player IMO.
Sorry to hijack your question - Winders best is better than Stanton's best - however, Stanton brings consistency and the ability to run out four quarters of footy every week - that is very important in the modern game and something Winders needs to work on if he is to become an A grade mid.
What does Stanton (at his best) bring to the table that Winderlich (at his best) does not bring?
both the same player IMO. .
I'd prefer Winderlich (at his best) to Stanton (at his best) but I feel Stanton is more reliable.
EssendonPride
11 Apr 2010, 21:14
I've got faith in Prismall to work on his deficiencies, though perhaps I'm in the minority?
Give him a break ffs.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 21:14
quick question for Ben the Gooner.
What does Stanton (at his best) bring to the table that Winderlich (at his best) does not bring?
both the same player IMO.
As for Welsh, you cannot play Welsh/Hocking/Prismal in the same side.
Watson has to be played, needs to get it on the boot more often however, his only down fall really.
Consistency.
Winders is more explosive, quicker, and a better kick, but doesn't have the fitness or the confidence that Stants has.
Different players IMO. Stants is an accumulator, Winders is a game breaker.
Sorry to hijack your question - Winders best is better than Stanton's best - however, Stanton brings consistency and the ability to run out four quarters of footy every week - that is very important in the modern game and something Winders needs to work on if he is to become an A grade mid.
Consistency.
Winders is more explosive, quicker, and a better kick, but doesn't have the fitness or the confidence that Stants has.
Different players IMO. Stants is an accumulator, Winders is a game breaker.
I did say, at his best. I would of thought that Winderlich is a better player than Stanton, Stanton seems to be a very one paced player (game wise/ability) , whereas Winderlich has that extra gear to go to.
I think that years end, Winderlich could be an A - Grader. Just needs to get himself back to last year. Injuries catching up to him perhaps?
Some of the games Stanton has played in practice matches - you know, the 4-5 goal 35-40 disposal ones - leads me to believe at his very best, Stanton is better than Winders, but then we haven't seen him repeat those performances or really get near them.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 21:29
At his best, Winders is miles ahead of Stants, but he just doesn't get there often enough.
theboxmike
11 Apr 2010, 21:29
Prismall is still fairly young so i think we should cut him some slack until at least the end of next year. (that is of course excluding he doesn't find any form at all)
Prismall is still fairly young so i think we should cut him some slack until at least the end of next year. (that is of course excluding he doesn't find any form at all)
Prismal is going to be 24 on 14th July, so hardly young :cool:
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Wahooti Fandango
11 Apr 2010, 22:55
At his best, Winders is miles ahead of Stants, but he just doesn't get there often enough.
Towards the end of the game on Saturday when we were looking to slow the play down there was one guy running around continuously to receive the ball (one I remember was in our back pocket) and keep it off the Blues: it was Stanton. I think he is unfairly accused of getting cheap kicks when in actual fact he is keeping the ball in our possession.
Ben the Gooner
11 Apr 2010, 23:00
Towards the end of the game on Saturday when we were looking to slow the play down there was one guy running around continuously to receive the ball (one I remember was in our back pocket) and keep it off the Blues: it was Stanton. I think he is unfairly accused of getting cheap kicks when in actual fact he is keeping the ball in our possession.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Stants fanboy. I just think Winders is something special when he's on.
Tbf many of the people in here were either against the trade in the first place (I think Ben was) or have spoken out against him since he's been here (Kelvin; PP).
Put me in the first group.
theboxmike
12 Apr 2010, 08:07
Prismal is going to be 24 on 14th July, so hardly young :cool:
"Fairly young" But yes you are correct. But i still think we should give him till the end of next year.
Skeeta Olly
12 Apr 2010, 09:17
Might dig up the old Prismal thread.
No point comparing Stanton and Winderlich as their roles and attributes are very different. Stanton and Prismal would play similar roles and have fairly similar styles.
Stanton plays as a link between defence and midfield and as an accumulator of possessions (I have done a 180 on the guy and really appreciate his value). He is extremely fit and runs all day.
Winderlich is an explosive player and ball carrier. He needs to be the one (something he hasn't been doing this year) sprinting from stoppages or in general play and delivering the ball into the forward line or kicking goals.
Winderlich is obviously more exciting when at his best and looks better but it is just a question of speed. Stanton's game against Geelong was almost perfect for someone in his role.
DapperDon
12 Apr 2010, 10:33
Put it this way guys, if we picked up a player like Prismall with pick 39 would you be upset?
Prismal is going to be 24 on 14th July, so hardly young :cool:
7 days older than me... thanks for reminding me how old I am. :(
Ludwig van Bertstare
12 Apr 2010, 12:13
Put it this way guys, if we picked up a player like Prismall with pick 39 would you be upset?
No, but I don't see why that should matter. Prismall was labelled a gun that was being held back in a great side. He did his knee and we got him for cheap because Geelong couldn't afford him. All this hype from the club, media and supporters had people anticipating so much, yet we received so little.
Then his performance for Bendigo on the weekend suggested he was sulking because he thinks he doesn't deserve to be there.
Almost every game I've seen he's played exactly the same, getting soft outside touches and not doing much with them.
I would have rathered we took a punt on a player like we did with Hooker than given a 3 year contract (presumedly on some nice $ too) to a guy that doesn't make us a better side, infact his absence from the team was a positive.
DapperDon
12 Apr 2010, 12:31
It's not Prismall's fault we overrated him in spades. He is a handy player to have in the team, people who thought he was going to be a Judd or Bartell just didn't know who Prissa was.
I hope he works on his game and gets back into the team, as I believe he is in our best 22.
It's not Prismall's fault we overrated him in spades. He is a handy player to have in the team, people who thought he was going to be a Judd or Bartell just didn't know who Prissa was.
I hope he works on his game and gets back into the team, as I believe he is in our best 22.
i really rate prissa and hope he gets it together and we see him play his best footy. i feel that with his skills he is very important to the side.
hopefully a couple weeks in the twos will serve him well and have the same sort of affect that getting dropped had on nick dal santo a while back, who turned his form around and is now an elite midfielder.
No, but I don't see why that should matter. Prismall was labelled a gun that was being held back in a great side. He did his knee and we got him for cheap because Geelong couldn't afford him. All this hype from the club, media and supporters had people anticipating so much, yet we received so little.
Then his performance for Bendigo on the weekend suggested he was sulking because he thinks he doesn't deserve to be there.
Almost every game I've seen he's played exactly the same, getting soft outside touches and not doing much with them.
I would have rathered we took a punt on a player like we did with Hooker than given a 3 year contract (presumedly on some nice $ too) to a guy that doesn't make us a better side, infact his absence from the team was a positive.Spot on.
Brent Prismall#9
12 Apr 2010, 15:06
Wtf's with all this Winderlich vs Stanton talk?? If I can read properly winders wasn't included in the thread title so i don't see why we have to compare them considering they can both easily fit into our best 22. As for the thread question I don't see why we can't improve with those 4 players in our side all of them bring different things to our team.
Welsh as mentioned before is a tagger which as we know every team needs.
Watson is a clearence machine and our best midfielder not to mention our captain :p
Stanton is a accumulator and a workhorse, he provide run for all four quarters that no other player in our team does.
Prismall (even though he hasn't shown much of it this year) is a great user of the ball especially by foot. Our team desperately needs this as we all know this is what Watson lacks. This talk of Prismall going the the GC is just ridiculous, he was being praised as our savior when we brought him over don't crucify him after being dropped. If he is still in the same situation by years end then this talk will be warranted but for now give him a chance to bounce back, as I am confident he will do.
TheDon35
12 Apr 2010, 16:44
At his best, Winders is miles ahead of Stants, but he just doesn't get there often enough.
Wouldn't say Winders best is miles ahead of Stantons best. Massive exageration as Stantons absolute best is pretty good.
I'd go further with Winderlich to say that his career has been dissapointing given the lack of consistent output. Over the course of his career, he'd get close to his best maybe one in 5 games. Not good enough for a player of his ability.
Ben the Gooner
12 Apr 2010, 16:56
As I said, I'm a huge Stanton fan.
I just think that Winders, when he wants to be, is outstanding.
I agree with you, though.
Wtf's with all this Winderlich vs Stanton talk?? If I can read properly winders wasn't included in the thread title so i don't see why we have to compare them considering they can both easily fit into our best 22. As for the thread question I don't see why we can't improve with those 4 players in our side all of them bring different things to our team.
Welsh as mentioned before is a tagger which as we know every team needs.
Watson is a clearence machine and our best midfielder not to mention our captain :p
Stanton is a accumulator and a workhorse, he provide run for all four quarters that no other player in our team does.
Prismall (even though he hasn't shown much of it this year) is a great user of the ball especially by foot. Our team desperately needs this as we all know this is what Watson lacks. This talk of Prismall going the the GC is just ridiculous, he was being praised as our savior when we brought him over don't crucify him after being dropped. If he is still in the same situation by years end then this talk will be warranted but for now give him a chance to bounce back, as I am confident he will do.
Welsh is not a great tagger. Yes he has done a reasonable job for us, but all the 'good' tagger bring something extra to the table.
Clinton Jones is a tackle machine, Cameron Ling can go forward and kick goals. Heck, who is the Hawks tagger?
This 'Great disposal' that Prismall apparently has , has him riding at 60% efficiency over the course of his 48 possesions to date in 2010 (dont even try and use injuries as an excuse, he has had a full pre season and knows his role in the side having been at the club for over 12 months now).
I think he now needs to earn back his spot, and with performances like the one he displayed on Saturday, I dont see him coming back any time soon.
Watson is a lock, as I have mentioned before, he needs to get it on the boot more, could kick more goals. He has already kicked 3 this year, so hopefully he can continue this good form.
Winderlich V Stanton, both very similar players. Both gut running, ball winning, line breaking players. Winderlich at his best is far better than Stanton IMO, however we seem to see more of Stanton's best though.
We need to get Hocking out of the side, he does not bring anything to the table really that others are doing already in the side. Good ball users win games. Sadly, the mooroolbark kid is not one of them.
Zahasouvlakis
12 Apr 2010, 17:27
We need to get Hocking out of the side, he does not bring anything to the table really that others are doing already in the side. Good ball users win games. Sadly, the mooroolbark kid is not one of them.
I think his work off the ball (blocks etc) is as good as anyone in the side and he tackles as well as anyone in the side aswell.
I am 90% sure the comment Ant555 made was on 2 way runners. Although too be fair Welsh does run both ways but his lack of pace is a bit of a worry.
Hocking ATM is playing as a mid-sized utility. Hocking does run both ways and generally keeps up with his opponents, tackles hard, blocks, smothers, wins his own ball, is reasonable overhead and works hard to receive even when no-one else does. It is obvious that his decision making needs work but he was good on Saturday in that regard and has enough going for him that he is worth his spot.
Mark Thompson was pretty upset about letting Prismall go. You have to take something out of that.
As for the Winderlich vs Stanton debate. Quite different players imo.
Winderlich has potential to be A grade but he needs to get mentally tougher. He is very inconsistent, even in his best games he floats in and out. I seriously hope he can get back to his best this year
Mark Thompson was pretty upset about letting Prismall go. You have to take something out of that.He was also pretty upset about losing Brent Moloney.
Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 19:16
Watson is a lock, as I have mentioned before, he needs to get it on the boot more, could kick more goals. He has already kicked 3 this year, so hopefully he can continue this good form.
I have absolutely no problem with Watson as long as he continues to get the contested football. He can handball as much as he wants, he doesn't have outstanding pace so using runners such as Dempsey & Winderlich is only logical IMO. Maybe some more time spent up forward? But that would put us behind the 8 ball in the midfield, as we have an enormous amount of front-runners. No need to change anything in Watson's game at the present time.
Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 19:21
We need to get Hocking out of the side, he does not bring anything to the table really that others are doing already in the side. Good ball users win games. Sadly, the mooroolbark kid is not one of them.
A year or so ago I would have backed you up 100% with that comment. But I cannot now. After seeing Hocking bust his arse for consecutive weeks, putting enormous pressure on the opposition can only be a massive plus. One of only a handful of players that is prepared to work both ways, and put in close to a 100% effort each week. His spot in the team is safe, as it should be. Players like Lonergan & Welsh should be looked at closer than Hocking in all honesty.
Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 19:30
Welsh as mentioned before is a tagger which as we know every team needs.
Cannot agree. Taggers are quickly disappearing from our game now. Robert Shirley used to do a fantastic job at shutting down opponents, yet he got chopped from the Adelaide squad not too long ago. Not one club picked him up in the PSD. That is telling us something, that just being labelled 'a tagger' is not good enough this day and age. Kudos for having the smarts & courage to do the job, but that just doesn't cut the mustard anymore. You must have another dimenson to your game.
Ling can go forward and kick goals, Joseph's attack on the ball & pressure around the ball is outstanding. Crowley will be fighting for a spot pretty soon something tells me, because he has the same problem as Welsh IMO; they offer very little elsewhere around the ground. Skills aren't great, pace off the mark for both blokes aren't eye-catching either. Welsh would know that deep down.
I think his work off the ball (blocks etc) is as good as anyone in the side and he tackles as well as anyone in the side aswell.
And you cant teach that to someone who gets ball as well.
You think Bartell only gets the ball? you think Leon Davis only kicks the freak goals? you think Brian Lake only chops off opponents kicks?
the answer to all of these questions is...
NO
A year or so ago I would have backed you up 100% with that comment. But I cannot now. After seeing Hocking bust his arse for consecutive weeks, putting enormous pressure on the opposition can only be a massive plus. One of only a handful of players that is prepared to work both ways, and put in close to a 100% effort each week. His spot in the team is safe, as it should be. Players like Lonergan & Welsh should be looked at closer than Hocking in all honesty.
What is Hockings # 1 role in the side?
Boucks09
12 Apr 2010, 19:46
At his best, Winders is miles ahead of Stants, but he just doesn't get there often enough.
No chance. Stanton is a more penetrating kick, can get clearances and win much more of the ball. The only thing stopping him from being elite is his defensive side. Stanton is also a few years younger than Winderlich.
Winderlich is a flash in the pan who has played one good game in 5 and is really struggling this season.
"Fairly young" But yes you are correct. But i still think we should give him till the end of next year.
Prismall is young in terms of games played. Gumby will be the same at his age.
It seems Prizza is the scape goat for our poor start to the season. I can't believe everyone is on his case after 2 weeks. Yes his start has been poor but he still got plenty of the ball, he just used it poorly. I'd rather get him right and have a player who can win it 35+ times in good games and 25+ on average, than somebody who has the same disposal efficiency yet gets it 15 times a game (e.g. Lonergan, Winderlich).
Melky154
12 Apr 2010, 19:47
Cawshezy is back!
Davey has been much worse than Prismal
thanks champ :cool:
Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 20:03
What is Hockings # 1 role in the side?
Hocking's an inside midfielder who is prepared to get on hands & knees and feed it out without hesitation. Inside midfielders are pretty rare at our club (Watson exception). He isn't just prepared to win the contested ball, he is also prepared to work both ways and help out in defence. Do many of our other midfielders match that description?
Hocking's an inside midfielder who is prepared to get on hands & knees and feed it out without hesitation. Inside midfielders are pretty rare at our club (Watson exception). He isn't just prepared to win the contested ball, he is also prepared to work both ways and help out in defence. Do many of our other midfielders match that description?
Why did I see him playing deep forward at one stage? did he take over from Watson when Jobe was being rested?
I just cant see him being a player that is going to actually to take us forward..
Mad Bomber Sean
12 Apr 2010, 20:24
Just cause most believe it, doesnt make it true..On this forum consistancy is considered less important than pace.
Windas on an extremely rare day he can look a million bucks.. but Stanton is miles ahead of Jason Sometimes Winderlich. Winda's averages about 4 - 5 good games a season for the last 8 years. Brent averages about 15 good games IMO & this figure is improving.
Consistancy comes from making the most of your talent & opportunities, working your ass off to get every ounce out of your unique abilities. This is something that Stanton does. I am not convinced that Windas does this.
He has looked pedestrian so far this year & had better improve next game, If not then he a spell at Bendigo to learn what hunger is...
Yep, would much rather Stanton.
More consistent, more durable in games, more durable throughout a season, gets more of the ball.
You fickle turn coats. One average game against fremantle... and Pris got dropped, and you know why he got dropped, and this is from the horses mouth 'you missed a few targets, have a rest'
Do you fools realise they all play roles in the team... some are told to be outside packs, some are told to not focus on defensive half as much, you idiots. Go back and watch his hardball efforts against the hawks in rnd 22, check his tackle count too you nobs!
Spose next week if Coyler drops a mark you'll be all over him as a dud. Should be ashamed. Welsh, Watson and Stanton, boy oh boy do they get a bashing. We beat carlton this week... carlton... who only beat tigers, who will probably be 1-9 by round 10. Get a grip, its gunna be a long year, lots to work on all round.
Just remember when Pris is back in the team and dominating to come back to this post and apologise, give members a bad name you lot
cooper6
12 Apr 2010, 20:35
some are told to not focus on defensive half as much
This is crap.
Boucks09
12 Apr 2010, 20:40
You fickle turn coats. One average game against fremantle... and Pris got dropped, and you know why he got dropped, and this is from the horses mouth 'you missed a few targets, have a rest'
Do you fools realise they all play roles in the team... some are told to be outside packs, some are told to not focus on defensive half as much, you idiots. Go back and watch his hardball efforts against the hawks in rnd 22, check his tackle count too you nobs!
Spose next week if Coyler drops a mark you'll be all over him as a dud. Should be ashamed. Welsh, Watson and Stanton, boy oh boy do they get a bashing. We beat carlton this week... carlton... who only beat tigers, who will probably be 1-9 by round 10. Get a grip, its gunna be a long year, lots to work on all round.
Just remember when Pris is back in the team and dominating to come back to this post and apologise, give members a bad name you lot
I agree with the sentiment behind your post (if not structure of your sentences).
Prismall was shocked to be dropped, but it was clearly for defensive reasons in addition to his disposal. That was the theme for the whole week and it showed in the way we played and kept Carlton to only 10 goals.
I don't think he will be named this week, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if he was. I don't think we can read too much into Bendigo form and selection.
Jonesy1987
12 Apr 2010, 20:47
You fickle turn coats. One average game against fremantle... and Pris got dropped, and you know why he got dropped, and this is from the horses mouth 'you missed a few targets, have a rest'
Do you fools realise they all play roles in the team... some are told to be outside packs, some are told to not focus on defensive half as much, you idiots. Go back and watch his hardball efforts against the hawks in rnd 22, check his tackle count too you nobs!
Spose next week if Coyler drops a mark you'll be all over him as a dud. Should be ashamed. Welsh, Watson and Stanton, boy oh boy do they get a bashing. We beat carlton this week... carlton... who only beat tigers, who will probably be 1-9 by round 10. Get a grip, its gunna be a long year, lots to work on all round.
Just remember when Pris is back in the team and dominating to come back to this post and apologise, give members a bad name you lot
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Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 20:48
Why did I see him playing deep forward at one stage?
Because of his great defensive pressure, he can also be used as that negating type HF.
More often than not, when deep forward (which not very often); he can trap the ball inside our fifty for more than five seconds.
Ludwig van Bertstare
12 Apr 2010, 20:53
You fickle turn coats. One average game against fremantle... and Pris got dropped, and you know why he got dropped, and this is from the horses mouth 'you missed a few targets, have a rest'
Do you fools realise they all play roles in the team... some are told to be outside packs, some are told to not focus on defensive half as much, you idiots. Go back and watch his hardball efforts against the hawks in rnd 22, check his tackle count too you nobs!
Spose next week if Coyler drops a mark you'll be all over him as a dud. Should be ashamed. Welsh, Watson and Stanton, boy oh boy do they get a bashing. We beat carlton this week... carlton... who only beat tigers, who will probably be 1-9 by round 10. Get a grip, its gunna be a long year, lots to work on all round.
Just remember when Pris is back in the team and dominating to come back to this post and apologise, give members a bad name you lot
I'll gladly apologise for my comments if he performs like you expect.
I think his work off the ball (blocks etc) is as good as anyone in the side and he tackles as well as anyone in the side aswell.
I may be easily impressed but Zahasouvlakis is possibly the best name I have seen on BF :thumbsu:
Hocking's an inside midfielder who is prepared to get on hands & knees and feed it out without hesitation. Inside midfielders are pretty rare at our club (Watson exception). He isn't just prepared to win the contested ball, he is also prepared to work both ways and help out in defence. Do many of our other midfielders match that description?
Hocking is ever rarer in the sense that he has the tank and speed to work both ways.
Heath is versatile (we have seen him give a good account of himself as a small-mid defender, a forward and in the midfield), strong and tough as nails. Growing in confidence with every game, he should be a very important player in our future sides.
Wanna B Hird
12 Apr 2010, 21:16
You fickle turn coats. One average game against fremantle... and Pris got dropped, and you know why he got dropped, and this is from the horses mouth 'you missed a few targets, have a rest'
Do you fools realise they all play roles in the team... some are told to be outside packs, some are told to not focus on defensive half as much, you idiots. Go back and watch his hardball efforts against the hawks in rnd 22, check his tackle count too you nobs!
Spose next week if Coyler drops a mark you'll be all over him as a dud. Should be ashamed. Welsh, Watson and Stanton, boy oh boy do they get a bashing. We beat carlton this week... carlton... who only beat tigers, who will probably be 1-9 by round 10. Get a grip, its gunna be a long year, lots to work on all round.
Just remember when Pris is back in the team and dominating to come back to this post and apologise, give members a bad name you lot
I agree ; I will be hung for this but I would go as far to say I would have him before Stanton. Prismall's worse is ugly Stanton's worse is ****en ugly
rhysman
12 Apr 2010, 21:46
Prismall is in our best 22, he had an average game against Freo (not really that bad though) and half of you want to flick him to GC! Unreal. I bet you are the same people who saw him as our midfield saviour. Sure, he's an outside player but he's a bit of a running machine and has excellent finishing skills. He'll have a run at Bendigo for a few weeks and be back in no time.
Colin D'Cops
12 Apr 2010, 21:54
More often than not, when deep forward (which not very often); he can trap the ball inside our fifty for more than five seconds.
Something I just had to add here. Was just looking up some statistics on 'Footywire', Hocking leads our average for tackles per game by about a tackle and a half; reasonable margin. Also, Stanton came in second with 5 tackles per game on average. For all calls saying he is soft (Stanton), that is one statistic that can shut you down quite quickly. Tackling is all mental, if you are soft you simply do not rack up the tackles. Not hard to understand I would imagine.
Prismall is an ok footballer in all areas but is not good enough in a single facet to perform a key role in the team.
Playing as an inside midfielder he does have the body and strength to play the role but he does not appear to have the aggression and toughness needed.
Playing as an outside midfielder, he can kick some very nice kicks to forwards. But he does not have the pace or endurance to get in the positions where he can use this weapon often and gets too many touches behind centre. Behind centre his disposal is actually a weakness as his effectiveness is too low and these turnovers result in quick rebounds and often goals.
It would be fair to rate him as a 6/10 as an inside midfielder and 6/10 as an outside midfielder. If he was 4/10 for one and 8/10 for the other he would be far more useful. Currently he is a bit of a midfield gap filler, he does not have the height or pace to play forward or back. So it is midfield or nothing IMO. That said if there are injuries to either our inside midfielders or outside midfielders he is somewhat handy back-up such as I would prefer him in an outside role than Watson and I would prefer him in an inside role than say Winderlich.
Knight Ryders
12 Apr 2010, 22:12
There is room for Prismall in our team, but he needs to learn what is acceptable. I'm surprised he was sulking in the ressies, but I would have expected him to cop a pretty hard tag.
One of my main concerns with Prizza was the way he was running around in circles and kick chips to 50/50 contests. This was not the same bloke he came in last year with half a pre season and showed some excellent foot skills.
I would say his spot in the team should be similar to that at Geelong where he was playing at HF with limited rotations through the midfield. If he is on, he could play this role to aplomb.
NDS was one of the most vanilla midfielders going around so if he can turn around, there is hope for Prizza.
Knight Ryders
12 Apr 2010, 22:19
Also re Hocking, I watched him closely on the weekend and he is so required it is not funny. He reminds me a lot of Boyd and Sewell in that he is unfashionable, but he continually gets the job done. He plays with a lot of heart and determination and like others have said, he can play more than one role. It surprises me that we are seeking another clearance player yet Hocking doesn't get a regular gig in the guts. His strength through the hips is phenomenal.
IM_REAL
12 Apr 2010, 22:37
This is an excellent topic, and well observed. Ive been thinking this for a long time, but i dont usually comment on here. There is no way guys like Welsh or Prismall will ever win us a premiership. Watson is a lock obviously, and Stanton will be played differently once the young guys Melkshaw and Colyer and co can establish themselves as midfielders. Stanton could turn out to be the key in last quarters with his running capability, but can never be our best midfielder. Im really warming to Hocking, there is a mongrel in him that i really like, plus he can play practically anywhere on the ground.
Lonergan is another who will probably make way. I like him cause we seem to win the big games when his there, but there is nothing distinctive about him.
Just like u all, i pray that Myers can pull his finger out, and hopefully Leroy can do the same.
GO DONS!!!!!
Thing about Hocking is he always gives 100% and never stops running, and never stops going at it hard. Stanton never stops running, of course, but he doesn't get his hands dirty enough.
Prismall at the moment is stanton without the runnin capacity. He is capable of better than that, and until he can improve his work ethics, I'm glad he is in the twos.
I don't really know about Welsh, when he does a good tagging job, he is essential to our team, but he doesn't offer enough when he is getting beaten. On saturday for example, Marc Murphy got plenty of the ball but every possesion was under immense pressure, hence most of his possesions were wasted.
Ess_don
13 Apr 2010, 00:04
I would say his spot in the team should be similar to that at Geelong where he was playing at HF with limited rotations through the midfield. If he is on, he could play this role to aplomb.
Prismall playing HF?? But wouldnt that sometimes require him to have set shots on goal??? no thanks, leave him in the middle.
Btw, Im a fan of Priz and while hes started the year quite average, few weeks in VFL should do him wonders (good call Knights) and he'll be back in the side earning his spot once again.. hopefully.
Put it this way guys, if we picked up a player like Prismall with pick 39 would you be upset?
I thought that we should have looked at farren Ray - he went for a fourth rounder.
No, but I don't see why that should matter. Prismall was labelled a gun that was being held back in a great side. He did his knee and we got him for cheap because Geelong couldn't afford him. All this hype from the club, media and supporters had people anticipating so much, yet we received so little.
Then his performance for Bendigo on the weekend suggested he was sulking because he thinks he doesn't deserve to be there.
Almost every game I've seen he's played exactly the same, getting soft outside touches and not doing much with them.
I would have rathered we took a punt on a player like we did with Hooker than given a 3 year contract (presumedly on some nice $ too) to a guy that doesn't make us a better side, infact his absence from the team was a positive.
!00% correct.
I argued in vain that if Prismall was a gun midfielder he would have played more than 25 games.