View Full Version : Another NSW nobody gets picked for Oz
Wendy The Pigeon
7 Jan 2001, 13:06
Bracken?
Who?
J-O-K-E
i am hearing what you are saying, but the selectors seem to get these choices right. so i am willing to trust their judgement
9 NSW players selected in the Australian and Australian A sides.
And dont forget Dion Nash and Brad Haddin were in the origanil Aus A side but got injured today.
They were replaced by Bichel and Seccombe.
Whose Greg Blewett got photos of ?
Jimmy Maher should get a game ahead of him.
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Why does everyone seem to get so upset at NSW players getting selected for the national team.
The people saying Bracken is undeserving are probably the same ones saying Inness should get a go (not much difference in experience or ability). Don't forget Dizzy Gillespie was a nobody when he made the national team, and he was probably our best bowler against the Windies, as was Ian Healy when he first made the team.
Don Nash would have also been an excellent choice - he bowls fast, gets good bounce and is a terrific run-a-ball slogger coming in at 8 or 9, the perfect pinch-hitter if required.
Brad Haddin would have been an obvious choice as reserve keeper because of his quick and consistent scoring, as well as being a sound gloveman.
And have people also noticed that when the NSW team is full of its stars, they win all the time....hmmm must be because they are actually good players that get selected for international duties http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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NICK THE PIE MAN
7 Jan 2001, 18:12
Nathan Bracken.
I have never heard of him actually. So is he a batter or bowler? And does he deserve the spot? I was glad to see that Darren Lehmann was recalled to the squad.
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Wendy The Pigeon
7 Jan 2001, 18:52
Of course Bracken doesn't deserve a spot but the NSW media mafia have got him a spot infront of more deserving and qualified players.
What pisses me off is that due to the blatent NSW bias other class players from other states have to do that little bit extra to get picked. Fleming, Bichel, Kasprowitz, Reifel, Dale for example had to slog away for years before getting picked for Oz.
While this Bracken hack has played all of 2 games this season and 9 in his entire career with a pretty unflattering record of 22 wickets @ 30.63.
Inness has taken 29 wickets in 8 games this season, Dale 24 in 6 and Dawes 24 in 6 yet they all get screwed.
Why bother working your guts out when what you do on the field doesn't count but what state you come from does.
It's a friggin disgrace!
Oh and Darky re: Gillespie, where was he born and spend his childhood years? That may answer your question.
Bracken, it is total joke. I thought Inness was bowling well enough to get a go ahead of him.
JUB JUB- Blewey's been in really good form lately. His last few scores consecutively have been 49, 70, 43, 18, 260 no, 80 and 69. Admittedly, he hasn't done much in the one dayers but he took 4 wickets in the last Merc. match and his versatility must appeal to the selectors. However, I would have thought any chance he had of playing for Australia would have been in tests rather than in one dayers as he's never really done well in the shorter form of the game.
If anyone is doing any blackmailing it has to be Bracken's mum and dad.
Originally posted by Wendy The Twit:
Oh and Darky re: Gillespie, where was he born and spend his childhood years? That may answer your question.[/B]
You're kidding aren't you???? So the selectors picked Gillespie because he spent his childhood in NSW????
Not because they thought he might be the sort of accurate quick bowler who would have the class to get 70 test wickets @21 from 18 tests?
His debut was before Brett Lee came up and we had no tearaway quicks, and at the time Gillespie was the quickest of the decent bowlers available. The quicker ones like Harrity and Holdsworth bowled too much crap and didnt take enough wickets, so Gillespie was a terrific choice.
When selecting a team, you dont just go on performances at state level, you look at how well these players are likely to do at international level (e.g. Julian, Hayden and to a lesser extent Blewett and Martyn have all been excellent domestic players but struggle at the highest level).
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walshy1993
7 Jan 2001, 20:34
i dont have a problem with bracken being picked
gillispie did pull out through injury so bracken is his replacement
its good to see that they are given a kid a go
and i agree with inness not getting a go in this side, even though i know the bloke personally ( i did play one game with essendon in the seconds, and followed essendon district side since i was born, i know the bloke well, most of you think im bullshittin but anyway) inness is a test hope, isnt a great one day bowler, being a left arm swing bowler he consentrates on a line at middle stump, too easy to work away in one day cricket
inness is a future test bowler but not one day
im actually glad bracken is getting a go and good luck to him
walshy1993
7 Jan 2001, 20:37
Originally posted by Darky:
You're kidding aren't you???? So the selectors picked Gillespie because he spent his childhood in NSW????
Not because they thought he might be the sort of accurate quick bowler who would have the class to get 70 test wickets @21 from 18 tests?
His debut was before Brett Lee came up and we had no tearaway quicks, and at the time Gillespie was the quickest of the decent bowlers available. The quicker ones like Harrity and Holdsworth bowled too much crap and didnt take enough wickets, so Gillespie was a terrific choice.
When selecting a team, you dont just go on performances at state level, you look at how well these players are likely to do at international level (e.g. Julian, Hayden and to a lesser extent Blewett and Martyn have all been excellent domestic players but struggle at the highest level).
darky you are spot on, agree with you 100%
i heard mark taylor say that at full fitness gillispie is equal too if not quicker than brett lee
gillispie is a champ, a great bowler, and has a heart the size of phar lap
i cant believe anyone could doubt his position in the side
Walshy, isn't Bracken a left arm swing bowler?? (Not sure about this).
GoEagles
7 Jan 2001, 20:54
He seems to have impressed during the MMC games this season so lets see if he can make the grade this summer. IF the selectors have got it horribly wrong - that should be seen as a blessing, they can make the changes for the 1 dayers in the Ashes tour.
I can see the selectors are looking towards the future of cricket and the next world cup team in south africa. Just remember that Bracken won't be playing for New South Wales this summer, but for Australia - so he's got my 100% support!
walshy1993
7 Jan 2001, 22:03
Originally posted by ant:
Walshy, isn't Bracken a left arm swing bowler?? (Not sure about this).
left arm seamer
so bowls left arm but not at a line where he tries to take the ball into a right hand batsman
I don't have a problem with Inness not being picked.
You can't pick him for an Aus A one-day game when the Vics don't even pick him in there one-day side.
Adam Dale [Aus A]or Colin Miller [didn't even make either team] should be in the senior team ahead of Bracken.
If Bracken was in the A side no one would complain.
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Im not a big fan of Bracken and im sure that he wont be in the 1st 11 side, He will be the 12th man. He will only be called into the side if Lee isnt able to play.
Bracken wont be in the squad after after the 1st 4 one dayers. If Fleming goes well for Aus A expect a call up.
Mags
Richmondfan#1
8 Jan 2001, 11:45
Me, my mum and dad were eating tea in the lounge when the one day side came up on TV. Mum asked dad "Who is Bracken?".
"A New South Welshman." came the reply.
And that said it all.
walshy i know u agreed with me, but i have to disagree with you, you will find that inness actually concentrates on swinging the ball away from right handers, which is unusual. He seems to be working on bringing them back in though. Bracken i believe was picked due to length he bowls and thebounce he extracts. The bounce is the key to his bowling , like mcgrath the he is able to get more bounce then normal off a good length.
Once again i am willing to put my support behind the aussie selectors
Even though I am a Vic - I fully support the selectors decision. Sure, Inness has been bowling well - but only in 4 day games - he doesn't get picked in the one-dayers. Bracken has been performing in the one-dayers, and also started to take wickets in the 4 day games. Be mindful that Gillespie & Nash are injured (I'm assuming that Nash would be ahead of Bracken), and that the national team could do with a left-armer for balance. Dale, Kasprowicz & Fleming have all been injured, so why not look for a bit of variation and give the bloke a go? When Gillespie is fit again I'm pretty sure he'll take his spot anyway.
walshy1993
8 Jan 2001, 15:57
Originally posted by acuguy:
walshy i know u agreed with me, but i have to disagree with you, you will find that inness actually concentrates on swinging the ball away from right handers, which is unusual. He seems to be working on bringing them back in though. Bracken i believe was picked due to length he bowls and thebounce he extracts. The bounce is the key to his bowling , like mcgrath the he is able to get more bounce then normal off a good length.
Once again i am willing to put my support behind the aussie selectors
inness bowls a line at off to middle stump
his natural delivery is an inswinger although yes he does like most bowlers work the ball away
whilst this is great for longer versions of the game the line isnt ideal for one day cricket
even at essendon he struggled in one dayers
bracken is a good choice
bowls a good line and length
and i think he will play
and brett lee wont
Bill Nose All
8 Jan 2001, 18:38
But the fact remains that Brackens figures don't justify his inclusion in the team.
"HE IS NOT WORTHY! HE IS NOT WORTHY"
Just another hack NSW player getting a game ahead of more deserving types from other states.
Will go down in the list of trivia questions like Cook, Stuart, Robertson in recent years. Players who if they didn't come from NSW would never of been picked for Australia.
Don't worry, once Bracken starts getting slogged by everyone from Lara to Flower he'll be out of the team soon enough... of course with S. Waugh as a buddy he might continue to get games, along with the fact we'll be winning anyway.
eastaugh36
9 Jan 2001, 06:14
listen up you mob of wankers ! This business that you go an about with bias by the selectors is the biggest joke I have ever heard from you lot ! Why would the selectors put their job on the line by not picking the best players available ? Theres no sense in it, good luck to Bracken and lets hope he proves a few morons wrong !
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I think Bracken's selection says more about the boring, defensive nature of one day cricket that any bias. The selectors were looking for someone who can just put the ball on a spot for 10 overs and concede 4 runs an over or less. Stuff wicket taking ability.
I hope he does well but as someone else said, when the team is winning it's pretty easy to keep your place.
I'm wrapped for Darren Lehman though, his form over a long time has been sensational and he deserves another opportunity.
Richmondfan#1
9 Jan 2001, 06:55
Bill Nose All (a.k.a Wendy The Pigeon),
I do feel as if too many NSW players are getting picked but if they are decent players, let them go.
Okay, i am from qld, we are talking about selectors being bias, there stands to be no reason why this occurs, considering
Trevor Hohns qld
Allan Border nsw/qld and i am sure his allegiance to is to qld
David Boon tas
i am unsure who the fourth selector is, but my theory is that bracken is 23 and katich is currently the youngest player with an acb contract , which is a concern, i would not be surprised if we don't maybe see another suprise selection in the second half of the tournament, maybe a Ben Oliver, M.Higgs,or so forth
I think the 4th selector is Andrew Hilditch [SA].
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Wendy The Pigeon
9 Jan 2001, 09:16
Higgs there's another NSW nobody to add to the list of undeserveds. That selection was even more of a joke than Bracken is.
It's the NSW media machine mafia hype backed by the likes of S. Waugh, Taylor & Rixon that get these players names thrust infront of the selectors before they've achieved anything on the field to justify selection.
Even the Melbourne media can't compete with the Sydney cricket clique to get rough young Vic players up for National selection, even though most have done more than any new NSW player picked in recent years.
And if you are a QLD/WA/SA and especially Tas player you're screwed. Even scoring 1000 runs plus 5 years in a row won't get you a game.
For all those players from WA, SA, VIC, TAS, QLD. move to new south wales, do absoulutely nothing for the team and wait. you will get picked for Australia.
Who can remember when darren berry was overlooked for replacement keeper by that useless phil emery?
wouldn't it have been logical to have a vic keeper who's kept to shane warne? no, of course not.
Haddin played for canberra, but it wasn't until he moved to nsw that he was mentioned for australian teams. coincidence, i don't think so.
that higgs is the same, he just a weekend cricketer, not an international.
soon we will have the whole aussie side full of nsw players.
Catman, two bones to pick here...
Emery was selected ahead of Berry because Berry can't bat. Emery batted well with the tail and rotated the strike well and kept the scoreboard ticking over. Both are very good keepers though.
And of course Haddin didn't rise to prominence playing for Canberra you neanderthal. How can you be selected for Australia playing for a team that plays a handful of domestic one-day games and no first-class 4 day-games - no chance to prove yourself at all.
When Emery retired as NSW keeper, Haddin was an automatic replacement for their Shield side, and showing the talent that was quite obvious from his Canberra days, he has excelled in his position and has deservedly been considered for higher honours. This would have been the case regardless of where he moved to.
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Wendy The Pigeon
9 Jan 2001, 16:04
Nah Berry can't bat - 3 100's, Highest Score 166 not out. 3310 runs in 124 games.
Emery 3292 runs in 121 games - 1 100, Highest Score 100 not out.
Get your facts right.
Berry was robbed by another case of NSW bias.
selectors have chosen a player under 25 for the future, please give me a list of other players under 25 showing potential to perform at the next level in the fast bowling area
Give Bracken a go! It's not a bad idea to be thinking about the years ahead & start grooming some young guys. We're playing so well at the moment, I'm sure a little experimentation (is that a word??) won't hurt. Coming from WA, we've had a few reasons in this and seasons past to question selectors bias, but as acuguy pointed out - what would their reasoning be, none of them are from NSW. Also, the selectors need to pick the 'best team for the job' to prove their own worth & maintain their own jobs!
Originally posted by Wendy The Pigeon:
Nah Berry can't bat - 3 100's, Highest Score 166 not out. 3310 runs in 124 games.
Emery 3292 runs in 121 games - 1 100, Highest Score 100 not out.
Get your facts right.
Berry was robbed by another case of NSW bias.
If you're going to quote stats, please don't manipulate them to suit yourself.
From the Baggy Green website,
Emery 170 innings, 1 century, 17 fifties, average 26.12 (usually batted at 8 for NSW)
Berry 187 innings, 3 centuries, 7 fifties, average 20.68 (usually bats 7 or 8 for Victoria)
Emery scored 50+ once every 9.4 innings, Berry scored 50+ once every 18.7 innings
Berry might have scored 3 centuries, but he had more chance to score them coming in generally higher up than Emery. The fact that Berry has scored more centuries and has an average of 20 (which these days is fairly low for a keeper) means there are a lot of very low scores too, whereas Emery was always a reliable player to get 20-30-40 runs working with the tailenders.
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BUBBALOUIS
10 Jan 2001, 09:44
You NSW appologists make me laugh, of course the selection process is biased, if young guns like Katich and Hodge were from NSW they would have already been tried at Test level, Bracken may turn out to be a good bowler but does he deserve his spot in front of the likes of Dale and Inness i think not, by the way Alan Border is on the selection committee and although he played for QLD he is a NSWelshman. Steve Waugh as captain is always pushing his mates cases, just look at his comments re Warne when his mate Mcgill became threatened by the best cricketer in THE WORLD.
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Bubbalouis you make me laugh.
Having a go at Bracken's selection in the topic on the main board, then going on about how great Warne is.
When Warne was selected for Australia he, LIKE BRACKEN, had also only played a handful of first-class games. The difference is that at the time Warne's average and wicket tally were very very very ordinary, whereas Bracken has at least made an impact at state level. The common denominator is that both players show obvious potential and the selections were made with the future in sight.
Warne has turned out to be a champion as the selectors had thought when they backed their hunch, and I'm sure Bracken will turn out to be a good solid Test player at the very least.
And for those of you expecting miracles from Bracken and will have a go at him if he gets anything less than five wickets in his first game, I might also remind you that Shane Warne's first test match got him 1-150 and slogged all over the SCG by Ravi Shastri, and his series return was also anything but spectacular.
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BUBBALOUIS
10 Jan 2001, 11:45
Darky both do show potential at the same stages of their careers, difference is there was no other spinners putting there hand up at the time of the Warne selection, so the selectors had nothing to lose by giving a guy with obvious talent a go, Bracken has leapfrogged many a medium pacer, Dale, Bichel, Fleming, Inness, Wilson all who deserve a game before him, why not give him a run in the 2nd eleven game if you really must. We dont always have to replace a NSWELSHMAN with another NSWELSHMAN, but i will be cheering for him anyway
Overall th ereason why I think Bracken's selection is quite brilliant is because the opposition provided by Zimbabwe and the West Indies is probably around the same as at Sheffield Shield standard BUT there are a few world class players in each side, Lara and Andy Flower are the first that spring to mind. This might mean that while there isnt a huge gap in the standard of batsmen he has to bowl to as a whole, he will still be exposed to guys like Lara and Flower which can only be of benefit to him.
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