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Lance Uppercut
20 Apr 2010, 19:37
AFL Premiership Round 5
Collingwood V Essendon

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Season Win/Loss
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The Essendon Perspective:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
so... here we are, then.

Four rounds into season 2010, & already we are being tested keenly. The media vultures are circling, fear & loathing is insidiously seeping through the supporter base, the coach is under siege.

Season 2010 has barely begun, yet we are at a crossroads. 4 games. 3 losses for only 1 win. 2 very bad losses. Our travel demons are alive & well. Our form is streaky, our confidence shaken, our game-plan derided from all angles.

Make no mistake. These are dire times. Yet only in fire is steel forged. Only under immense pressure do you produce diamonds. Yes we are a a crossroads, but our destiny is firmly in our hands. For the rest of the season, Essendon has the opportunity, & indeed the obligation, to fight. To fight, & win.

Every once & again, ever so rarely, an event crosses cultural boundaries; that fuses disparate strands, of nationhood, of community, and tribal bonds that underpin everything we stand for.

Anzac Day football is that event. Let's not for a moment suggest that football is in any way equivalent to war - it's not. It's not even really a suitable metaphor, as it glorifies the horror of war, & the hardships that were endured by so many & survived by so few. It would be trite, & demeaning the sacrifices made.

But it is a symbol. It's a symbol of freedom, & of modern Australia. It's a recognition of the roots that bind, & a celebration of that which makes us one.

We are fortunate indeed, to take part in what can only be described as a the shining jewel in the AFL Home & Away season. Fortunate that we have been led by such visionaries as Kevin Sheedy, & partnered by our Collingwood friends, & supported by the AFL.

It's the biggest day outside of the finals, & we must always remember how privileged we are to take part.

Now, in our darkest hour, we have the biggest stage of all; the grandest & most significant opportunity to show what we are made of.

Throw the form book out the window, It's Anzac Day!!!

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Let's get into the footy. We're up against it. We all know it. But we also know that we play well in big games against hated opposition. So often, games against Collingwood & Carlton have gone completely against the prevailing form.

This year, however, it's going to be an even bigger ask. Our season thus far has been a huge disappointment. We were competitive against an under-done Geelong, destroyed by a rampaging Fremantle (in Melbourne, ouch), & touched up by a winless West Coast side with the Midas touch & a Fijian freakshow with a serious taste for Bomber flesh.

Our one win was against a lacklustre Carlton missing their best player. So it's fair to say we haven't performed very well.

But why is that? Are we actually as shit as the flogs would have us think? Is our gameplan really the cancer that it's being portrayed as?

On top of a spectacularly shit start to the season, we are up against *gritted teeth* a top 4 side that are at the peak of their powers, in Collingwood.

They are an improving list, with a lovely balance & blend of dependable old hands, battle-hardened veterens, & talented youth. As difficult as it is to say... they're a good ****ing team :(

They've improved their game, from stuffing about on the wings of previous years; & they are no longer simply "workman-like". They have some absolute guns in Swan, Pendlebury, Didak etc; & they are a hard-running, well-drilled unit.

They are coached by an absolute desparado who is gagging to show the world he can still coach, & he's surrounded by able, intelligent assistants.

So it's going to be tough. We are going to be given no chance. And that's how we like it!

Last year we were giant-killers. Who will ever forget this:

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But we also let ourselves down badly with losses to poor opportunity.

In the off-season, a huge talent drain occurred; it can't be denied. Lloyd, Lucas, Lovett, McPhee. In their places are inexperienced kids. Potentially, they could be guns. But as of now, they ain't. But Hurley, Gumbleton, Ryder, Pears, Hooker, & Melksham all have the tools to be what we need them to be.

Given our shocking performance last week, it's a bit hard to predict what the teams will be. It's pretty evident that everyone has a different opinion on how they'll line up ;)

I'm expecting a few changes, but let's be honest. We had something like 6 changes last week - we can't just keep churning. I think Melksham needs to stay, Colyer needs to go. McVeigh needs to come in if fit, but I'd like to see Houli keep his place. He's been a bit hard done by for mine - I've watched replays closely, & even though he makes errors, he creates a lot of play. What he needs is continued exposure to the pace & pressure of AFL footy. Hurley will be better for last week, & I hope Gumby can keep on improving.

Match-ups will be very interesting, & I'm sure there'll be a few surprises. We need to really have an impact in the ruck & get first use of the ball. It is essential we run hard both ways & move the footy quickly. Most of all, though, we need to execute the game & take our chances. Their small forwards are a real worry, so we need our defenders to be very accountable.

This post is getting ridiculously long (tl;dr) so for an insightful discussion around tactics, I recommend this thread. (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=696409).

However, I'll leave you with a few snippets.

The Anzac day record: Essendon 7 wins, Collingwood 7 wins, 1 draw

The first match in its current form was played in 1995 in front of the league's second biggest ever home-and-away crowd of 94,825, with up to 20,000 further fans estimated to have been turned away at the gate.

Some memorable games from the great man:

7 – Round five, 2003 v Collingwood
Anzac Day clashes between Essendon and Collingwood are now an integral part of the AFL fixture, almost as much as Hird's ability to dominate on this day. In 2003, Hird collected his second Anzac Day Medal for a stunning five-goal and 27-disposal performance.

Three of his five majors were outstanding snaps in the last quarter, when he tore the game apart and played a massive part in Essendon's 66-point victory.

10 – Round five, 2004 v Collingwood
Hird claimed back-to-back Anzac Day Medals – and his third overall (he also won in 2000) – when he haunted Collingwood yet again with another stellar display in Essendon's 33-point win. Hird collected 26 disposals and landed three goals.

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The Collingwood Perspective:
Originally Posted by DaVe86
I love this game. It’s one of the best things about being a Collingwood supporter. I’m sure Essendon fans feel the same. The ANZAC Day match simply carries a special feeling with it that makes it that little bit more enjoyable than any other game. I don’t know if it’s the finals atmosphere, the big crowd, the sentiment or the rivalry. I think it’s a combination of all these factors.

This year, I will be attending my first ever dawn service. I want to make the most of this years ANZAC Day. It’s a big game as well considering both sides have now won 7 games apiece, so the winner takes the lead in the all-time tally.

There will be plenty written this week about the sentiment and the real emotion behind the day. So I’ll try and stick with the analytical side. Despite this, it is always hard to ignore the fact that ladder position means very little on ANZAC Day. I suppose the favourite side has typically won, but some of the best victories have been against the odds, such as Essendon’s stunning last minute win last year. Despite Collingwood’s favouritism going into the game, it must be stated that Essendon typically get themselves up for ANZAC Day.


Essendon are coming back from a horror trip to Perth where they were convincingly beaten. A 23 point margin was ultimately flattering. They were slammed in the media throughout the week as well. Given the long break between games, I doubt fatigue will be an issue following the trip across the Nullarbor. Knights has also drilled his players at training this week, so there is little doubt they will come out fired up. It has been a less than impressive start from the Bombers, who currently sit on 1 win and 3 losses.

Over to the Magpies. Despite a good win last week against Hawthorn and a 3-1 start to the year, I still don’t think the Pies are playing their best football. Inaccuracy is perhaps the biggest concern in the first 4 rounds. But I also think the ruck division is still out of form, and the forward line is too reliant on smalls to kick the goals. Leon Davis was good last week, but the Pies continuously kicked it long to Leon who was outnumbered by taller opponents. I still think Collingwood needs to find another viable tall marking option to be a real premiership threat.

Regardless, the tackling pressure, the zone and the defence of Collingwood is working magnificently well. Sides have struggled to score against the Magpies all year. Malthouse publicly stated that it has been his long term goal to develop a defence that was in the top 4 in the competition, and he now believes it is potentially in the top 2. This is going to be an issue for Essendon as their forward line is very suspect given the patchy form of their young talls. No doubt there is promise in Hurley and Gumbleton, but are they ready to stand up on the big ANZAC Day stage against quality defenders?

ANZAC Day has always been a day where the big names perform. It is a new era now without the likes of Buckley, Hird and Lloyd out there, but a new generation of players are continuing the tradition.

However, it has always been a day where a few unlikely types have made a name for themselves. Many have never lived up to the hype, however have managed to play well beyond their capacity on this special day. Mark McGough and Damien Cupido spring to mind.

Which young-guns will announce themselves in 2010? Will it be a Brent Macaffer or a Scott Gumbleton? Will it be a Steele Sidebottom or a Jake Melksham?


Recent History

It’s hard to go past the last ANZAC Day clash where the Bombers looked dead and buried late in the last quarter, yet rallied to win in the 30th minute with a Zaharakis goal which will go down in history.

However, the last time these 2 sides met was in Round 14 last year where Collingwood were winners by 35 points. The votes going to Fraser, Cloke and Swan. It was a particularly dominant game by Josh Fraser who was humiliated on ANZAC Day by Paddy Ryder. Didak was also dominant with 36 possessions.

However, the last ANZAC Day clash between these 2 sides will go down in history. Collingwood will be desperate to take revenge. It was one of the most thrilling ends to a game I have seen, and the name Zaharakis has haunted Magpies fans for a year.

Swan was the highest possession winner on the day with 37 and picked up 1 vote for his efforts. The major votes going to Lovett and Ryder, who subsequently won the ANZAC medal. Stanton was also very good with 34 disposals. All looked lost for Essendon when David Hille went down early with a season ending knee injury. However, it seemed to inspire Ryder to new heights as he lifted his game to another level. The 13 tackles he took highlighted how hard he worked and he kicked an inspiring goal as well.

Andrew Lovett was the man that turned the game around with some amazing runs through the centre, pretty much piercing right through the Collingwood midfield.

Collingwood won the prior 3 ANZAC day clashes.


Selection News

I doubt there will be massive changes for Collingwood. Following a 70 point win, Malthouse will be pretty keen to keep his side balanced. The only real injury worry for Collingwood is John Anthony with a foot problem.

Shane O’Bree was good in the VFL last week, but looks unlikely to regain his spot.

Malthouse typically plays a youngstar on ANZAC Day. It is his belief that this sort of atmosphere fast-tracks his players. However, I doubt there is any rookie really knocking down the door for selection. Malthouse has however signalled his intention to bring in fresh faces in the upcoming weeks.

Perhaps he will give Simon Buckley his debut for Collingwood after 2 pretty solid VFL appearances. Chris Dawes continues to impress at VFL level and has to come into selection contention again.

The one change I think Malthouse should make is to bring another tall defender into the team. Presti, Maxwell and O’Brien are not tall, and my concern is that Hurley and Gumbleton will expose them in the air. Essendon have also been using Ryder and Hille up forward a lot. Potentially, Collingwood could throw Leigh Brown into defence this week. However, I think this is a good opportunity to bring in one of Reid or Nathan Brown. Both are high draft picks and need big game experience. Nathan Brown looks most likely after a good game in the VFL, though Reid has had a solid month as well and won selection in Round 2.



Moving over to Essendon, expect a few changes this week. Mostly involving a few big names.

Monfries looks set to return. His presence will bolster the forward line. McVeigh also looks likely despite not training. Stanton is also likely to return. Knights will also toil with the idea of bringing back Prismall, who I frankly can’t believe is out of the team.

Alwyn Davey must surely return this week as well. Knights has admitted they have lacked his presence up forward. He will return and most likely get Harry O’Brien as an opponent.

Finally, Knights may look to bring in Myers after his VFL game was good and Atkinson may earn his recall. Atkinson was impressive towards the end of 2009, and his pace would be valuable in the midfield.

So Essendon looks set to be much stronger this week, though a few players might be a bit underdone or struggling for form.



Tactics

Essendon will no doubt try and play the corridor. At its best, Essendon is a highly attacking side and when in full flight can be very hard to slow down. I think the Bombers will set a few tight tags on some of the Collingwood stars, whereas Collingwood is likely to zone heavily and go head to head through the middle.

The concern for Essendon is obviously defence. I’m not talking about the back 6, I’m talking about midfield defensive pressure. Being such an attacking, free flowing side, Essendon is always susceptible to conceding goals.

Given Collingwood’s strong defence, getting into a shoot out could be dangerous given the Magpies have a greater capacity to shut the game down.

The other concern for Essendon is fitness. The Bombers have not run out quarters well this year, although they did come back a bit last week. Knights has trained the team really hard this week in terms of fitness. The last training session involved nothing but time-trials. Collingwood is obviously a very high rotating side, and will look to put the foot down in time-on.

Finally, Essendon’s defence may struggle to cover the small forwards of Collingwood. Medhurst, Davis and Didak have dominated recent games, whilst Thomas and Macaffer are in good form.

Collingwood’s game-plan is obviously going to be to slow down the Bombers run. The Eagles managed to do this last week and the Bombers made bad mistakes. Given their high risk attacking game-plan, the Pies will be looking to impose the same level of tackling pressure as they did against Hawthorn last week. Forcing Essendon to over-possess is the plan, and the small forward line is making it very tough to clear the Collingwood attacking 50.


The start is going to be hot. I have no doubt Essendon is going to come out firing. No doubt Collingwood will need to bring the same intensity.


Players to Watch

Collingwood:

Scott Pendlebury: Andrew Welsh has had the job on Pendlebury the last few times. Welsh has attacked Pendlebury and looked to win a lot of the ball himself. Scott has been a bit out of form early, but looked to regain his touch last week. He has a good record against Essendon, which is why Knights now tags him.

Dale Thomas – In my opinion, he has been Collingwood’s best this year. I hope he continues to fly under the radar of the media, because it is good to see little hype about his performance publicly. Usually lifts for big games, and I expect a massive one on Sunday.

Travis Cloke – May get Pears as an opponent. Typically plays good against Essendon as well and has a good ANZAC day record. He in fact had his break out game against Essendon on ANZAC day. His form has been on the improve over the last 2 weeks, though I still think he has more in him. No doubt that if he is quiet, Collingwood’s forward line looks very suspect due to the lack of talls. Cloke continues to lead very high up the ground which is leaving the smalls to do the marking up forward. I’d like to see him try and win the ball closer to goal.

Dane Swan – Has always been a big ball winner against Essendon, and this game should be no different. I think the tight tags will go onto Pendlebury and Didak, which should free Swan up to do his business.

Sharrod Wellingham – Don’t underestimate how valuable this guy has been to Collingwood this year. His pace is essential to what I believe would be a sluggish midfield without him. He has put 4 good games together, and has often done jobs for Malthouse as well. I would love to see him put a big game in on ANZAC Day as a reward for his hard work in 2010.

Harry O’Brien – May prove to be a very important player for Collingwood on Sunday. Essendon have a number of forwards I could see him matching up on. Firstly, Williams is his ideal opponent...although I think he’ll get Prestigiacomo. I think Harry will get the job on Davey, who is likely to return. Further, his run off half back is essential to the Magpies.

Luke Ball – Is going to go head to head against Watson in the centre, and it should be fascinating. He was quiet last week; however I think he was one of Collingwood’s better players. It was as hard as I’ve ever seen him play. Was at the bottom of every pack and copped a few knocks as well for his team. It’s his first ANZAC Day, and I expect him to really thrive in the big game.


Essendon

Jobe Watson – Who wins the battle between Watson and Ball will have a major bearing on the game. Bombers need to win around the stoppages, because Collingwood in typically strong in this area. Watson is captaining his side on ANZAC day for the first time and will be mighty keen to stamp his authority on the game early. Though I expect the matchup to be head to head, I hope Collingwood invest a bit of time into stopping Watson’s influence around the ground as well.

Courtney Dempsey – I rate this guy. Provides so much pace and run off half back and looks to be over his hamstring issues. Reminds me a lot of Andrew Mcleod. Essendon relies so heavily on quick movement and attacking rebounding from defence, and Dempsey is the catalyst of this. Collingwood should mind him if they want to lock the ball inside attacking 50. Otherwise, he will provide a lot of counter-attacks.

Michael Hurley – Had a quiet game last week in his return game, but he will surely be keen to reinstate his mark on the side and remind people how good a player he is. His height and strength may worry the current Collingwood defenders, which is why I think Nathan Brown should come in. Essendon need Gumbleton and Hurley to stand up.

Jason Winderlich – He is the Essendon midfielder who really takes the game on and has extreme pace. Therefore his is vital to their team. I expect Wellingham to get the job on Winderlich.

Kyle Reimers – He is the player all opposition supporters love to hate, and you just get the feeling ANZAC Day is his type of game. May get Toovey as an opponent. Though I believe he is far too arrogant, he is the sort of player that usually gets on top of Collingwood. He suffered an ankle injury last week but should be right to play. Regardless of how you feel about him, he is dangerous and Collingwood will have to watch him closely.

Ricky Dyson – Had a breakout game on ANZAC day last year, and was part of the comeback. His skills are important to the Essendon team and he is a much improved player. He is unlikely to get much attention, so he is the sort of player who can cause a lot of damage.


Key Matchups

Jolly/Fraser v Hille/Ryder – No doubt Ryder and Fraser will go up against each other most of the day. Ryder’s agility may worry Jolly a bit, so Josh should be given the responsibility for him whilst in the ruck. Ryder will push forward where he has proven dangerous this year.

Hille was impressive last week I thought. Cox and Naitanui may have smashed him in the ruck, but they are going to do that to every team. Hille however ran his guts out to become an influential player around the ground. He will do the same against Jolly who is not known for his versatility. However, Jolly should have the edge in the actual ruck. Despite his poor form this year, he is slowly regaining his touch and should enjoy his first ever ANZAC Day clash.

I personally think the ruck battle has been the defining clash in the last 2 battles between these 2 sides. And it could be vital again. All 4 big men are different and have different attributes.


DaVe’s Soapbox

Around this time every year, the usual debate re-appears that ANZAC Day should be shared. It surfaced again this morning on SEN, with KB and Patrick Smith endorsing other teams to play on ANZAC Day.

Let’s get this straight. ANZAC Day should always be Collingwood v Essendon. In fact, I’m spewing we have to share it this year as it is on a Sunday.

These 2 sides have invested 15 years into this day, and have built a tradition and rivalry which no other team can compare. I truly believe Essendon and Collingwood have done a lot for the celebration of ANZAC Day, and have helped make it such a big event on the calendar each year. I doubt I would be going to dawn services if it wasn’t for the clash between Collingwood and Essendon. ANZAC day has become such an important day on the Australian calendar, and I think these 2 sides have a lot to do with that.

What’s more, Collingwood and Essendon have always played the game in the right spirit, and have always attracted a crowd. Both sides always lift for the clash.

Richmond and Carlton have opened the season the last 2 years, but the games have been disappointments. Geelong played Hawthorn on Easter Monday but only drew around 60,000.

As fans, we simply know to book tickets in March for this game. It has become tradition. It isn’t even a question for me as a fan. I always go to this game. For other fans, they may look to it as a long weekend and go away.

Whether this is fair or not to other sides, I couldn’t care less. And I doubt the AFL does either considering it is such a money maker for them.


Fantasy Advice:

Expect Watson and Stanton to dominate for Essendon, and Swan to top score for Collingwood.

The Bombers will struggle to cover the Collingwood small forwards, so expect Medhurst to also bounce back.

Also take note that if you want Melksham or Colyer in your team, this is the last week to get them before their price rises. Could be an option if you have Shuey or Banner in your team and are looking to downgrade them.


The Wrap Up

If you’ve read this far, then you would be aware I love ANZAC Day. I can’t wait to hear the roar when the national anthem finishes, and the absolute silence whilst the Last Post plays.

I have no doubt this is going to be a fantastic match. Collingwood have revenge to pay for last year’s crushing loss, whilst Essendon have all to prove after a poor start to the season.

No doubt, if Essendon lose this, they are no hope for the finals this year. So it is a crunch game for them. However, I must say that I think Collingwood is going to be too strong in defence and too even through the midfield.

Despite this, I am not going to break my superstition, and I will tip against Collingwood again.

Bombers by 15.

Tip for the ANZAC medal: Dale Thomas.
AFL Round 5 Collingwood V Essendon

stay true
20 Apr 2010, 20:02
Inspirational stuff, Lance!

gO_bOmBeRz
20 Apr 2010, 20:11
Bloody great stuff :thumbsu::thumbsu:

Here_we_come
20 Apr 2010, 23:47
I don't post on here very often but that was one ripper of a preview! :thumbsu:

A pleasure to read. You'd make a good writer if you're not in that field already.

AS9
21 Apr 2010, 09:43
A great read Lance. Really looking forward to ANZAC day now and it's only Wednesday!

Redb#
21 Apr 2010, 10:37
Fantastic post :thumbsu: Very well written and thought out, you've missed your calling.

cheers and Go Dons!

p.s. nervous, but can't wait for Sunday.

Kong
21 Apr 2010, 11:27
Great stuff, Lance.

Lance Uppercut
21 Apr 2010, 11:28
cheers guys, just something a little bit different.

let's get the passion back! :thumbsu:

Ben the Gooner
21 Apr 2010, 13:09
Outstanding, Lance. Truly outstanding.:thumbsu:

tha Freak
21 Apr 2010, 13:26
"These are dire times. Yet only in fire is steel forged. Only under immense pressure do you produce diamonds."

Great post and very, very true. I'm going to the game and I'm confident that we will win. Looking forward to seeing who will be our 'Diamonds'!

Commando
21 Apr 2010, 13:32
was thinking of puttting some cash on the bombers but ive got a feeling they will lose and lose badly (60+)

repeat of 2008.

Son of Whispy
21 Apr 2010, 13:32
I'm fired up. Let's this game going.

Mon the Mighty Bombers.

stugots
21 Apr 2010, 15:59
good stuff LU:thumbsu:

my 1st trip to the ANZAC day game for 11 years & despite the goings on of recent weeks, I am pumped & cant wait for kickoff:D

Boucks09
21 Apr 2010, 16:43
Fantastic post Lance - absolutely brilliant.

AS9
21 Apr 2010, 16:44
was thinking of puttting some cash on the bombers but ive got a feeling they will lose and lose badly (60+)

repeat of 2008.
That was the only ANZAC day I have been to. I'm going again this year so hopefully we perform a lot better than that.

eth-dog
21 Apr 2010, 17:36
best.preview.EVER

DaVe86
21 Apr 2010, 18:01
Hi mods, if you wish to merge this with the other preview, feel free.

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I love this game. It’s one of the best things about being a Collingwood supporter. I’m sure Essendon fans feel the same. The ANZAC Day match simply carries a special feeling with it that makes it that little bit more enjoyable than any other game. I don’t know if it’s the finals atmosphere, the big crowd, the sentiment or the rivalry. I think it’s a combination of all these factors.

This year, I will be attending my first ever dawn service. I want to make the most of this years ANZAC Day. It’s a big game as well considering both sides have now won 7 games apiece, so the winner takes the lead in the all-time tally.

There will be plenty written this week about the sentiment and the real emotion behind the day. So I’ll try and stick with the analytical side. Despite this, it is always hard to ignore the fact that ladder position means very little on ANZAC Day. I suppose the favourite side has typically won, but some of the best victories have been against the odds, such as Essendon’s stunning last minute win last year. Despite Collingwood’s favouritism going into the game, it must be stated that Essendon typically get themselves up for ANZAC Day.


Essendon are coming back from a horror trip to Perth where they were convincingly beaten. A 23 point margin was ultimately flattering. They were slammed in the media throughout the week as well. Given the long break between games, I doubt fatigue will be an issue following the trip across the Nullarbor. Knights has also drilled his players at training this week, so there is little doubt they will come out fired up. It has been a less than impressive start from the Bombers, who currently sit on 1 win and 3 losses.

Over to the Magpies. Despite a good win last week against Hawthorn and a 3-1 start to the year, I still don’t think the Pies are playing their best football. Inaccuracy is perhaps the biggest concern in the first 4 rounds. But I also think the ruck division is still out of form, and the forward line is too reliant on smalls to kick the goals. Leon Davis was good last week, but the Pies continuously kicked it long to Leon who was outnumbered by taller opponents. I still think Collingwood needs to find another viable tall marking option to be a real premiership threat.

Regardless, the tackling pressure, the zone and the defence of Collingwood is working magnificently well. Sides have struggled to score against the Magpies all year. Malthouse publicly stated that it has been his long term goal to develop a defence that was in the top 4 in the competition, and he now believes it is potentially in the top 2. This is going to be an issue for Essendon as their forward line is very suspect given the patchy form of their young talls. No doubt there is promise in Hurley and Gumbleton, but are they ready to stand up on the big ANZAC Day stage against quality defenders?

ANZAC Day has always been a day where the big names perform. It is a new era now without the likes of Buckley, Hird and Lloyd out there, but a new generation of players are continuing the tradition.

However, it has always been a day where a few unlikely types have made a name for themselves. Many have never lived up to the hype, however have managed to play well beyond their capacity on this special day. Mark McGough and Damien Cupido spring to mind.

Which young-guns will announce themselves in 2010? Will it be a Brent Macaffer or a Scott Gumbleton? Will it be a Steele Sidebottom or a Jake Melksham?


Recent History

It’s hard to go past the last ANZAC Day clash where the Bombers looked dead and buried late in the last quarter, yet rallied to win in the 30th minute with a Zaharakis goal which will go down in history.

However, the last time these 2 sides met was in Round 14 last year where Collingwood were winners by 35 points. The votes going to Fraser, Cloke and Swan. It was a particularly dominant game by Josh Fraser who was humiliated on ANZAC Day by Paddy Ryder. Didak was also dominant with 36 possessions.

However, the last ANZAC Day clash between these 2 sides will go down in history. Collingwood will be desperate to take revenge. It was one of the most thrilling ends to a game I have seen, and the name Zaharakis has haunted Magpies fans for a year.

Swan was the highest possession winner on the day with 37 and picked up 1 vote for his efforts. The major votes going to Lovett and Ryder, who subsequently won the ANZAC medal. Stanton was also very good with 34 disposals. All looked lost for Essendon when David Hille went down early with a season ending knee injury. However, it seemed to inspire Ryder to new heights as he lifted his game to another level. The 13 tackles he took highlighted how hard he worked and he kicked an inspiring goal as well.

Andrew Lovett was the man that turned the game around with some amazing runs through the centre, pretty much piercing right through the Collingwood midfield.

Collingwood won the prior 3 ANZAC day clashes.


Selection News

I doubt there will be massive changes for Collingwood. Following a 70 point win, Malthouse will be pretty keen to keep his side balanced. The only real injury worry for Collingwood is John Anthony with a foot problem.

Shane O’Bree was good in the VFL last week, but looks unlikely to regain his spot.

Malthouse typically plays a youngstar on ANZAC Day. It is his belief that this sort of atmosphere fast-tracks his players. However, I doubt there is any rookie really knocking down the door for selection. Malthouse has however signalled his intention to bring in fresh faces in the upcoming weeks.

Perhaps he will give Simon Buckley his debut for Collingwood after 2 pretty solid VFL appearances. Chris Dawes continues to impress at VFL level and has to come into selection contention again.

The one change I think Malthouse should make is to bring another tall defender into the team. Presti, Maxwell and O’Brien are not tall, and my concern is that Hurley and Gumbleton will expose them in the air. Essendon have also been using Ryder and Hille up forward a lot. Potentially, Collingwood could throw Leigh Brown into defence this week. However, I think this is a good opportunity to bring in one of Reid or Nathan Brown. Both are high draft picks and need big game experience. Nathan Brown looks most likely after a good game in the VFL, though Reid has had a solid month as well and won selection in Round 2.



Moving over to Essendon, expect a few changes this week. Mostly involving a few big names.

Monfries looks set to return. His presence will bolster the forward line. McVeigh also looks likely despite not training. Stanton is also likely to return. Knights will also toil with the idea of bringing back Prismall, who I frankly can’t believe is out of the team.

Alwyn Davey must surely return this week as well. Knights has admitted they have lacked his presence up forward. He will return and most likely get Harry O’Brien as an opponent.

Finally, Knights may look to bring in Myers after his VFL game was good and Atkinson may earn his recall. Atkinson was impressive towards the end of 2009, and his pace would be valuable in the midfield.

So Essendon looks set to be much stronger this week, though a few players might be a bit underdone or struggling for form.



Tactics

Essendon will no doubt try and play the corridor. At its best, Essendon is a highly attacking side and when in full flight can be very hard to slow down. I think the Bombers will set a few tight tags on some of the Collingwood stars, whereas Collingwood is likely to zone heavily and go head to head through the middle.

The concern for Essendon is obviously defence. I’m not talking about the back 6, I’m talking about midfield defensive pressure. Being such an attacking, free flowing side, Essendon is always susceptible to conceding goals.

Given Collingwood’s strong defence, getting into a shoot out could be dangerous given the Magpies have a greater capacity to shut the game down.

The other concern for Essendon is fitness. The Bombers have not run out quarters well this year, although they did come back a bit last week. Knights has trained the team really hard this week in terms of fitness. The last training session involved nothing but time-trials. Collingwood is obviously a very high rotating side, and will look to put the foot down in time-on.

Finally, Essendon’s defence may struggle to cover the small forwards of Collingwood. Medhurst, Davis and Didak have dominated recent games, whilst Thomas and Macaffer are in good form.

Collingwood’s game-plan is obviously going to be to slow down the Bombers run. The Eagles managed to do this last week and the Bombers made bad mistakes. Given their high risk attacking game-plan, the Pies will be looking to impose the same level of tackling pressure as they did against Hawthorn last week. Forcing Essendon to over-possess is the plan, and the small forward line is making it very tough to clear the Collingwood attacking 50.


The start is going to be hot. I have no doubt Essendon is going to come out firing. No doubt Collingwood will need to bring the same intensity.


Players to Watch

Collingwood:

Scott Pendlebury: Andrew Welsh has had the job on Pendlebury the last few times. Welsh has attacked Pendlebury and looked to win a lot of the ball himself. Scott has been a bit out of form early, but looked to regain his touch last week. He has a good record against Essendon, which is why Knights now tags him.

Dale Thomas – In my opinion, he has been Collingwood’s best this year. I hope he continues to fly under the radar of the media, because it is good to see little hype about his performance publicly. Usually lifts for big games, and I expect a massive one on Sunday.

Travis Cloke – May get Pears as an opponent. Typically plays good against Essendon as well and has a good ANZAC day record. He in fact had his break out game against Essendon on ANZAC day. His form has been on the improve over the last 2 weeks, though I still think he has more in him. No doubt that if he is quiet, Collingwood’s forward line looks very suspect due to the lack of talls. Cloke continues to lead very high up the ground which is leaving the smalls to do the marking up forward. I’d like to see him try and win the ball closer to goal.

Dane Swan – Has always been a big ball winner against Essendon, and this game should be no different. I think the tight tags will go onto Pendlebury and Didak, which should free Swan up to do his business.

Sharrod Wellingham – Don’t underestimate how valuable this guy has been to Collingwood this year. His pace is essential to what I believe would be a sluggish midfield without him. He has put 4 good games together, and has often done jobs for Malthouse as well. I would love to see him put a big game in on ANZAC Day as a reward for his hard work in 2010.

Harry O’Brien – May prove to be a very important player for Collingwood on Sunday. Essendon have a number of forwards I could see him matching up on. Firstly, Williams is his ideal opponent...although I think he’ll get Prestigiacomo. I think Harry will get the job on Davey, who is likely to return. Further, his run off half back is essential to the Magpies.

Luke Ball – Is going to go head to head against Watson in the centre, and it should be fascinating. He was quiet last week; however I think he was one of Collingwood’s better players. It was as hard as I’ve ever seen him play. Was at the bottom of every pack and copped a few knocks as well for his team. It’s his first ANZAC Day, and I expect him to really thrive in the big game.


Essendon

Jobe Watson – Who wins the battle between Watson and Ball will have a major bearing on the game. Bombers need to win around the stoppages, because Collingwood in typically strong in this area. Watson is captaining his side on ANZAC day for the first time and will be mighty keen to stamp his authority on the game early. Though I expect the matchup to be head to head, I hope Collingwood invest a bit of time into stopping Watson’s influence around the ground as well.

Courtney Dempsey – I rate this guy. Provides so much pace and run off half back and looks to be over his hamstring issues. Reminds me a lot of Andrew Mcleod. Essendon relies so heavily on quick movement and attacking rebounding from defence, and Dempsey is the catalyst of this. Collingwood should mind him if they want to lock the ball inside attacking 50. Otherwise, he will provide a lot of counter-attacks.

Michael Hurley – Had a quiet game last week in his return game, but he will surely be keen to reinstate his mark on the side and remind people how good a player he is. His height and strength may worry the current Collingwood defenders, which is why I think Nathan Brown should come in. Essendon need Gumbleton and Hurley to stand up.

Jason Winderlich – He is the Essendon midfielder who really takes the game on and has extreme pace. Therefore his is vital to their team. I expect Wellingham to get the job on Winderlich.

Kyle Reimers – He is the player all opposition supporters love to hate, and you just get the feeling ANZAC Day is his type of game. May get Toovey as an opponent. Though I believe he is far too arrogant, he is the sort of player that usually gets on top of Collingwood. He suffered an ankle injury last week but should be right to play. Regardless of how you feel about him, he is dangerous and Collingwood will have to watch him closely.

Ricky Dyson – Had a breakout game on ANZAC day last year, and was part of the comeback. His skills are important to the Essendon team and he is a much improved player. He is unlikely to get much attention, so he is the sort of player who can cause a lot of damage.


Key Matchups

Jolly/Fraser v Hille/Ryder – No doubt Ryder and Fraser will go up against each other most of the day. Ryder’s agility may worry Jolly a bit, so Josh should be given the responsibility for him whilst in the ruck. Ryder will push forward where he has proven dangerous this year.

Hille was impressive last week I thought. Cox and Naitanui may have smashed him in the ruck, but they are going to do that to every team. Hille however ran his guts out to become an influential player around the ground. He will do the same against Jolly who is not known for his versatility. However, Jolly should have the edge in the actual ruck. Despite his poor form this year, he is slowly regaining his touch and should enjoy his first ever ANZAC Day clash.

I personally think the ruck battle has been the defining clash in the last 2 battles between these 2 sides. And it could be vital again. All 4 big men are different and have different attributes.


DaVe’s Soapbox

Around this time every year, the usual debate re-appears that ANZAC Day should be shared. It surfaced again this morning on SEN, with KB and Patrick Smith endorsing other teams to play on ANZAC Day.

Let’s get this straight. ANZAC Day should always be Collingwood v Essendon. In fact, I’m spewing we have to share it this year as it is on a Sunday.

These 2 sides have invested 15 years into this day, and have built a tradition and rivalry which no other team can compare. I truly believe Essendon and Collingwood have done a lot for the celebration of ANZAC Day, and have helped make it such a big event on the calendar each year. I doubt I would be going to dawn services if it wasn’t for the clash between Collingwood and Essendon. ANZAC day has become such an important day on the Australian calendar, and I think these 2 sides have a lot to do with that.

What’s more, Collingwood and Essendon have always played the game in the right spirit, and have always attracted a crowd. Both sides always lift for the clash.

Richmond and Carlton have opened the season the last 2 years, but the games have been disappointments. Geelong played Hawthorn on Easter Monday but only drew around 60,000.

As fans, we simply know to book tickets in March for this game. It has become tradition. It isn’t even a question for me as a fan. I always go to this game. For other fans, they may look to it as a long weekend and go away.

Whether this is fair or not to other sides, I couldn’t care less. And I doubt the AFL does either considering it is such a money maker for them.


Fantasy Advice:

Expect Watson and Stanton to dominate for Essendon, and Swan to top score for Collingwood.

The Bombers will struggle to cover the Collingwood small forwards, so expect Medhurst to also bounce back.

Also take note that if you want Melksham or Colyer in your team, this is the last week to get them before their price rises. Could be an option if you have Shuey or Banner in your team and are looking to downgrade them.


The Wrap Up

If you’ve read this far, then you would be aware I love ANZAC Day. I can’t wait to hear the roar when the national anthem finishes, and the absolute silence whilst the Last Post plays.

I have no doubt this is going to be a fantastic match. Collingwood have revenge to pay for last year’s crushing loss, whilst Essendon have all to prove after a poor start to the season.

No doubt, if Essendon lose this, they are no hope for the finals this year. So it is a crunch game for them. However, I must say that I think Collingwood is going to be too strong in defence and too even through the midfield.

Despite this, I am not going to break my superstition, and I will tip against Collingwood again.

Bombers by 15.

Tip for the ANZAC medal: Dale Thomas.

Frothies Mcveigh
21 Apr 2010, 19:15
Great stuff Lance, very detailed.

Zaharakis ZAHARAKIS!

Tailypo
21 Apr 2010, 19:22
Fantastic work, both Lance and DaVe86 :thumbsu:

dave_27
21 Apr 2010, 19:51
Getting more and pumped as the game gets closer, feel like Im going to explode!

If we get belted so be it, Im just glad to be a part of this day every year and Im sure we'll be in the game up to our neck for 3 quarters anyway.

Quicky
22 Apr 2010, 10:56
I think Lance and DaVe should team up more often!!! That was a fantastic read :thumbsu:

On Houli I think he has come back from his VFL exodus a much more well rounded player. His defensive pressure is now a highlight of his game. So for people deriding Knights for having no focus on the defensive aspects of your game I think they need to look at Houli as an example. I actually think the Dons have a lot of improvement but it will take time and more experience - and probably a lot of patience from you lot. I hope Houli retains his spot in the 22.

Throw the form book out for this one - and good luck for the game (just not more than us).

Slattery_20
22 Apr 2010, 11:02
Was round 14 only 35 points??? I am shocked... thought it was about 60!
I was getting maggot in Shenanganangs (Darwin pub) watching it... depressing night. Still haven't re-visited.

IMHO it will be a 2 or 3 goal either way.

FandangoDingo
22 Apr 2010, 13:32
Great read Lance & Dave! :thumbsu: :thumbsu:

Skeeta Olly
22 Apr 2010, 16:43
B:Slattery - Pears - Fletcher
HB:Dempsey - Hooker - Lovett-Murray
C:Reimers - Watson - Melksham
HFStanton - Gumbleton - Dyson
F:Winderlich - Hurley - Hille
Foll:Ryder - Colyer - Welsh
Int: Monfries, Zaharakis, Lonergan, Houli, McVeigh, Hocking, Davey

In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh, Davey
Out: M.Williams (foot)

rickydysonforbl
22 Apr 2010, 16:45
essendon website makes no mention of prismall but unfortunately names mcveigh

rickydysonforbl
22 Apr 2010, 16:47
stanton, monfries, davey and mcveigh in. williams out injured. three more to get cut tomorrow night

Flash10
22 Apr 2010, 16:49
IN: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh, Prismal, Davey

B:Slattery - Pears - Fletcher
HB:Dempsey - Hooker - Lovett-Murray
C:Reimers - Watson - Melksham
HFStanton - Gumbleton - Dyson
F:Winderlich - Hurley - Hille
Foll:Ryder - Colyer - Welsh
Int: Prismal, Monfries, Davey, Houli, Lonergan, McVeigh, Hocking, Davey, Williams

Zaka?

Skeeta Olly
22 Apr 2010, 16:50
Edited. Th EFC site had it all over the place.

Flash10
22 Apr 2010, 16:53
That's better! There's no way we would leave out ZAHARAKIS!! I like the no Williams part:)

Duckworth
22 Apr 2010, 16:54
Good to see Melksham and Colyer retain their spots.

BomberTime
22 Apr 2010, 16:55
nothing to surprising there
The 3 that drop of the bench will be interesting. If monfries mcveigh and zaharakis are fit surely they are in. Leaving houli lonergan hocking and davey to fight it out, i think lonergan is gone..so houli hocking or davey?

rioli brownlow
22 Apr 2010, 16:57
IN: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh, Prismal, Davey

B:Slattery - Pears - Fletcher
HB:Dempsey - Hooker - Lovett-Murray
C:Reimers - Watson - Melksham
HFStanton - Gumbleton - Dyson
F:Winderlich - Hurley - Hille
Foll:Ryder - Colyer - Welsh
Int: Monfries, Zaharakis, Lonergan, Houli, McVeigh, Hocking, Davey

In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh, Davey
Out: M.Williams (foot)

i hope its. monfries,zaka,mcveigh,davey

KaaN10
22 Apr 2010, 16:59
Extended Bench: Monfries, Lonergan, Houli, Zaharakis, Davey, Hocking, McVeigh

Monfries, McVeigh and Zaharakis are probably locks and out of Hocking, Davey and Lonergan it will surely be Hocking.

So in summary
In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh
Out: Williams, Lonergan, Houli

Not too bad.

Skeeta Olly
22 Apr 2010, 17:01
Collingwood
B: Heath Shaw, Ben Reid, Ben Johnson
HB: Harry O’Brien, Nick Maxwell, Sharrod Wellingham
C: Luke Ball, Dane Swan, Steele Sidebottom
HF: Josh Fraser, Travis Cloke, Alan Didak
F: Dayne Beams, Paul Medhurst, Leon Davis
Foll: Darren Jolly, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas
Interchange from: Leigh Brown, Brent Macaffer, Tarykn Lockyer, Chris Dawes, Nathan Brown, Alan Toovey, Shane O’Bree

In: Nathan Brown, Chris Dawes, Shane O'Bree, Ben Reid

Out: Simon Prestigiacomo (groin soreness)

donspremiers
22 Apr 2010, 17:09
Extended Bench: Monfries, Lonergan, Houli, Zaharakis, Davey, Hocking, McVeigh

Monfries, McVeigh and Zaharakis are probably locks and out of Hocking, Davey and Lonergan it will surely be Hocking.

So in summary
In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh
Out: Williams, Lonergan, Houli

Not too bad.

Prismall is in the mix too I think?

nickh32
22 Apr 2010, 17:10
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pretstiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii:D

bombersno1
22 Apr 2010, 17:16
I hope Davey does not get anywhere near the side. Great to see Colyer!

anf06
22 Apr 2010, 17:31
When Matthew Knights named the team Prismall was also on the extended bench.

Frothies Mcveigh
22 Apr 2010, 17:44
IN: Monfries, McVeigh Stanton
OUT: Williams (back) Houli, Lonergan IMO.

DaSawx
22 Apr 2010, 18:48
i hope its. monfries,zaka,mcveigh,davey

me too

Skeeta Olly
22 Apr 2010, 19:06
In my opinion, if you have Dyson on on the HFF, you should be aiming to hit him up a lot of the time. Dyson's penetrating left boot would be idea for delivery into the forward line.

I rate him highly in the kicking department, as does Champion Data as they have him as a top 10 kick. Shown on ANZAC Day last year, it seems like he thrives when the pressure is on him.

BomberTime
22 Apr 2010, 19:10
Top work from Lance and Dave:thumbsu:
Great research and well written:thumbsu:

eth-dog
22 Apr 2010, 19:12
No Prestie? Play Hurley + Gumbleton + Hille/Ryder up forward all day

silk
22 Apr 2010, 19:22
In my opinion, if you have Dyson on on the HFF, you should be aiming to hit him up a lot of the time. Dyson's penetrating left boot would be idea for delivery into the forward line.

I rate him highly in the kicking department, as does Champion Data as they have him as a top 10 kick. Shown on ANZAC Day last year, it seems like he thrives when the pressure is on him.

That was an unbelievable goal!!!

lamaros
22 Apr 2010, 19:23
Houli before Davey.

bombermick
22 Apr 2010, 20:11
Rather play Houli over Davey. Houli can (okay does) give us hospital handpasses but he has a great kick and takes the game on. Davey hasn't given the side much in at least two years.

russea
22 Apr 2010, 20:22
the bench should be:
Mcveigh, Angus, Hocking and Zaha

Dkid
22 Apr 2010, 20:43
out: Simon prestigiacomo (groin soreness)
yes!

Duckworth
22 Apr 2010, 20:48
the bench should be:
Mcveigh, Angus, Hocking and Zaha

This seems right.

Hammers_Saints
22 Apr 2010, 21:03
Why is Prismall still out

donsman4eva
22 Apr 2010, 21:06
Prismall is in the mix too I think?

Probably not, seeing as though he wasnt named :rolleyes:

Kong
22 Apr 2010, 21:07
Hurley on my old mate Reid.

6 goals, my prediction.

Presit is a massive out.

Ludwig van Bertstare
22 Apr 2010, 21:31
If Hurley does play on Reid he could be a good bet for the ANZAC day medal.

anf06
22 Apr 2010, 21:52
Probably not, seeing as though he wasnt named :rolleyes:

It's Thursday. We play on Sunday. We have until Saturday to finalize the team. If you watched Knights named the team, Prismall was also on the extended bench.

The Dustbin
22 Apr 2010, 22:51
Great work Lance & Dave. :thumbsu:

Godzke
22 Apr 2010, 23:01
Top effort Lance and Dave

Not sure how a Collingwood fan could be tipping against themselves this week though. I have, unfortunately, tipped the Pies to win... but I shall be there in full voice!

Also, Daisy won't win anything in his life.

bomberstomake8
22 Apr 2010, 23:45
Hurley on my old mate Reid.

6 goals, my prediction.

Presit is a massive out.

I agree presti is a massive out however i dont think any player in our side is capable of kicking 6. Our delivery is way too poor for that

Furthermore I think as a group we need to tame our expectations of Hurley. Yes he is a talent however we need to remember he is a 19 year old KPP and has only played 11 games. Its pretty harsh on the kid to be placing such high expectations on him.

Eleven 38
22 Apr 2010, 23:58
It's Thursday. We play on Sunday. We have until Saturday to finalize the team. If you watched Knights named the team, Prismall was also on the extended bench.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/92849/default.aspx

Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Fremantle and Richmond will name their final sides (22 plus three emergencies) from 5pm AEST on Friday.

Carlton and the Geelong Cats will name theirs from 4pm AEST on Saturday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/92849/default.aspx

thats from the AFL website, if you also take the team thats up there as the official team, prismall is not named...

Eleven 38
23 Apr 2010, 02:22
I agree presti is a massive out however i dont think any player in our side is capable of kicking 6. Our delivery is way too poor for that

Furthermore I think as a group we need to tame our expectations of Hurley. Yes he is a talent however we need to remember he is a 19 year old KPP and has only played 11 games. Its pretty harsh on the kid to be placing such high expectations on him.

we've seen what hurley can do, i dont know we need to tame our expectations, but not expect him to tear every game apart untill hes 23-24. or is that taming them? :)

presti is a massive out, brings us into the game which i doubt we would have a chance with him in, he is to the pies backline what fletcher was to ours 2 years ago, without him they struggle to structure up,

i think williams out will hurt us, without presti he probably would have kicked a bag on reid... now hurley and gumby will probably have to find 3-4each

Jonesy1987
23 Apr 2010, 04:16
I agree presti is a massive out however i dont think any player in our side is capable of kicking 6. Our delivery is way too poor for that

Furthermore I think as a group we need to tame our expectations of Hurley. Yes he is a talent however we need to remember he is a 19 year old KPP and has only played 11 games. Its pretty harsh on the kid to be placing such high expectations on him.

I kind of agree, kind of disagree. I still expect Hurley to play poor games as he is still just a kid, but last week I thought was his worst game for us, yet he still contributed 4 goals from only 9 touches. If he can get his average to 16-19 touches he will be unstoppable.

bombre-boy
23 Apr 2010, 04:25
Great stuff lance and DaVe8.....hopefully our players read it and can be inspired enough to have a dip....

Smyth94
23 Apr 2010, 07:38
I kind of agree, kind of disagree. I still expect Hurley to play poor games as he is still just a kid, but last week I thought was his worst game for us, yet he still contributed 4 goals from only 9 touches. If he can get his average to 16-19 touches he will be unstoppable.

I reckon his game vs Richmond last year was his worst.

He was okay last week - I mean honestly, our delivery was so bad, the fact that he still managed 2 goals says a lot about his talent.

Frothies Mcveigh
23 Apr 2010, 08:12
I thought he did pretty well to even get 2 last week.

Presti is a huge out, Maxwell isnt really a 1 on 1 defender and Nathan Brown and Ben Reid are fairly inexperienced. Having said that so is Hurbleton.

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 08:54
I don't see Presti as a massive loss.
It's not like we're relying on one forward... or even have one forward in any sort of form.

Deeksy
23 Apr 2010, 09:10
It's Thursday. We play on Sunday. We have until Saturday to finalize the team. If you watched Knights named the team, Prismall was also on the extended bench.

I saw this too, it's very strange that he'd be on the whiteboard, but not named at all. He'll probably end up as an emergency, maybe?

anf06
23 Apr 2010, 09:14
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/92849/default.aspx

Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Fremantle and Richmond will name their final sides (22 plus three emergencies) from 5pm AEST on Friday.

Carlton and the Geelong Cats will name theirs from 4pm AEST on Saturday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/92849/default.aspx

thats from the AFL website, if you also take the team thats up there as the official team, prismall is not named...


We are still able to name players not on that list.
What I'm saying is, our final 22 plus 3 emergencies do not have to be made up of those 25 players. Not at all.

Eleven 38
23 Apr 2010, 09:16
We are still able to name players not on that list.
What I'm saying is, our final 22 plus 3 emergencies do not have to be made up of those 25 players. Not at all.

fair enough.,,, did not know that.. normally it is though isnt it ?

saint leo
23 Apr 2010, 10:51
Can someone tell me how the rows of seats on level 4 of the southern stand work??
Havent been to MCG for a long time and got offered some tickets for tomorrow.

DapperDon
23 Apr 2010, 10:59
Can someone tell me how the rows of seats on level 4 of the southern stand work??
Havent been to MCG for a long time and got offered some tickets for tomorrow.

They run horizontally and you sit in them.

anf06
23 Apr 2010, 11:10
fair enough.,,, did not know that.. normally it is though isnt it ?

Only really for the Friday night matches. You have something like a 24 hour period to name your final squad of 25 before a match (including the 3 emergencies)

If you add anyone else after that period you get a nice fine. I've got a hunch I remember Sheedy doing it, playing someone that wasn't even emergency. IIRC we just copped the fine for the mind games and getting one up on our match ups.

anf06
23 Apr 2010, 11:13
lol it dont matter that we dont have presti will stick smash use:)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I was walking through Collingwood on Wednesday night and I saw a street sign 'claiming' that there was something called an 'Collingwood English Language School'.

I thought it was fishy.

Dear Lord. May God have mercy on your black black soul. :)

saint leo
23 Apr 2010, 11:24
They run horizontally and you sit in them.

Thanks for that ya moron.

How the hell is there row AA? Thats what i wanted to know. Is that behind A or behind Z?

anf06
23 Apr 2010, 11:33
Thanks for that ya moron.

How the hell is there row AA? Thats what i wanted to know. Is that behind A or behind Z?

Goes A - Z then AA

saint leo
23 Apr 2010, 11:36
Goes A - Z then AA

Cheers for that, row H doesnt sound too bad. GO BOMBERS.

DapperDon
23 Apr 2010, 11:37
Thanks for that ya moron.

How the hell is there row AA? Thats what i wanted to know. Is that behind A or behind Z?

Just having a laugh mate, calm down.

AA comes after Z, which means you'll be up the back of the Southern.

saint leo
23 Apr 2010, 11:51
Just having a laugh mate, calm down.

AA comes after Z, which means you'll be up the back of the Southern.

NO worries, i got H so its not too bad.

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 11:55
Thanks for that ya moron.

How the hell is there row AA? Thats what i wanted to know. Is that behind A or behind Z?
Hi I'm leo, I have a problem.

saint leo
23 Apr 2010, 12:00
Hi I'm leo, I have a problem.

AA doesnt sound any fun at all. No drinking in that section?

Blowfly
23 Apr 2010, 12:24
Had a look at Bendigo's team - Houli, Lonergan, McVeigh and Davey from the Essendon bench are named (and Prismall).

Obviously all of those aren't going to play for Bendigo, but interesting that Zaharakis, Monfries and Hocking are not named - I'm guessing they are "in" and tip McVeigh from the others.

BomberTime
23 Apr 2010, 13:09
Had a look at Bendigo's team - Houli, Lonergan, McVeigh and Davey from the Essendon bench are named (and Prismall).

Obviously all of those aren't going to play for Bendigo, but interesting that Zaharakis, Monfries and Hocking are not named - I'm guessing they are "in" and tip McVeigh from the others.

Fair call but it is easy to change the team, on another note the weather will play a massive part in determining the outcome of this match a wet rainy day is forecast, if so it will be important to get our tough bodies in the middle like watson welsh mcveigh hocking lovett murray and hille to match ball lockyer swan beams pendlebury and jolly. No fancy footy will be played from both sides and i hope essendon dont try their tricky handballs and just bang the ball forward for our big forwards and have the little guys creating opportunities in reimers monfries and ZAHARAKIS! It will also mean slattery fletcher dempsey will have to be on their game to curb the brilliance on their small forwards.

Kong
23 Apr 2010, 14:53
B:Slattery - Pears - Fletcher
HB:Dempsey - Hooker - Lovett-Murray
C:Reimers - Watson - Melksham
HFStanton - Gumbleton - Dyson
F:Winderlich - Hurley - Hille
Foll:Ryder - Colyer - Welsh
Int: Monfries, Zaharakis, Lonergan, Houli, McVeigh, Hocking, Davey

In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh, Davey
Out: M.Williams (foot)Players in red are named for Bendigo, so you would assume the bench would be Monfries, Zaharakis, Hocking, and one more.

EDIT: Blowfly beat me to it.

adii_7
23 Apr 2010, 15:04
winderlich will be dropped i rekn

Skeeta Olly
23 Apr 2010, 15:54
Players in red are named for Bendigo, so you would assume the bench would be Monfries, Zaharakis, Hocking, and one more.

EDIT: Blowfly beat me to it.

I wouldn't take the team named tonight as gospel.

homerg29
23 Apr 2010, 16:15
It probably means nothing but the EFC website has Monfries, Lonergan, Houli and Zaharakis on the bench and Davey, Hocking and McVeigh 'on the outer'. Seems unlikely but you never know.

eth-dog
23 Apr 2010, 16:34
winderlich will be dropped i rekn
well you're wrong

Longy413
23 Apr 2010, 16:39
Players in red are named for Bendigo, so you would assume the bench would be Monfries, Zaharakis, Hocking, and one more.


McVeigh

shizzle
23 Apr 2010, 17:09
Here you go fellas

Essendon
B: Dustin Fletcher, Tayte Pears, Nathan Lovett-Murray
HB: Courtenay Dempsey, Cale Hooker, Henry Slattery
C: Jake Melksham, Jobe Watson, Kyle Reimers
HF: Brent Stanton, Scott Gumbleton, Ricky Dyson
F: Jason Winderlich, Michael Hurley, David Hille
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Andrew Welsh, Travis Colyer
I/C: Angus Monfries, David Zaharakis, Heath Hocking, Mark McVeigh
Emg: Alwyn Davey, Sam Lonergan, Bachar Houli

In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh
Out: Mark Williams (foot), Sam Lonergan, Bachar Houli

BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!
23 Apr 2010, 18:05
Here you go fellas

Essendon
B: Dustin Fletcher, Tayte Pears, Nathan Lovett-Murray
HB: Courtenay Dempsey, Cale Hooker, Henry Slattery
C: Jake Melksham, Jobe Watson, Kyle Reimers
HF: Brent Stanton, Scott Gumbleton, Ricky Dyson
F: Jason Winderlich, Michael Hurley, David Hille
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Andrew Welsh, Travis Colyer
I/C: Angus Monfries, David Zaharakis, Heath Hocking, Mark McVeigh
Emg: Alwyn Davey, Sam Lonergan, Bachar Houli

In: Stanton, Monfries, McVeigh
Out: Mark Williams (foot), Sam Lonergan, Bachar Houli

like the look of that team :thumbsu:

Bombers36
23 Apr 2010, 18:11
Yeah - looks OK

I hope they line up more like this though;-

H.Slat Pears Dempsey
Fletch Hooker NLM
Winders Milky Stants
Monfires Gumby Reimers
Ryder Hurley Zaharakis

Hille Watson Welsh

INT: McVeigh Dyson Hocking Colyer

EMERG: Davey Lonergan Houli

Just think we have got to play guys like Reimers, Monfries, Zaharakis & Ryder in the forward line with Gumby still developing & Hurley only in 2nd senior game for the year.

Got tickets - cant wait for the bounce :)

centrelink1
23 Apr 2010, 18:58
Collingwood are such a match up orientated side, that we will need to be at our very best defensively to have any hope. Also, Pears needs to play well. If Cloke gets the better of him, use Hurley.

dave_27
23 Apr 2010, 19:43
Collingwoods side on paper doesnt particularly impress me, especially those 3 tall players they have brought in arent talented.

Feeling more confident.

DaSawx
23 Apr 2010, 19:48
Don't worry, it's in the bag, our FSI is higher :thumbsu:

stay true
23 Apr 2010, 19:51
It's true. FSI never lies.

The Dustbin
23 Apr 2010, 20:14
Collingwoods side on paper doesnt particularly impress me, especially those 3 tall players they have brought in arent talented.

Feeling more confident.

Agree. Interesting selections by the pies - forecast showers and they bring in three talls. All be it three average talls.

Collingwood's bench is possibly the worst in AFL history.

smiddaz123
23 Apr 2010, 20:27
Agree. Interesting selections by the pies - forecast showers and they bring in three talls. All be it three average talls.

Collingwood's bench is possibly the worst in AFL history.
We lost two talls, do you expect us to bring in no talls or something?

You guys probably have a taller team.

Also because you guys don't know about them doesn't mean they're poor players. They're actually in the side for a reason.

The Dustbin
23 Apr 2010, 20:45
We lost two talls, do you expect us to bring in no talls or something?

You guys probably have a taller team.

Also because you guys don't know about them doesn't mean they're poor players. They're actually in the side for a reason.

I can understand you replacing Prestigiahomo with Reid, but the other two are d graders at best. :o

That's my opinion, like it or lump it.

Pocket_Pears
23 Apr 2010, 21:05
Collingwood's bench is possibly the worst in AFL history.

Worse than this?

I/C: Troy Simmonds, Andrew Collins, Robin Nahas, Mitch Farmer

smiddaz123
23 Apr 2010, 21:07
I can understand you replacing Prestigiahomo with Reid, but the other two are d graders at best. :o

That's my opinion, like it or lump it.
OK, reasonable debate obviously isn't encouraged here. Sorry.

The Dustbin
23 Apr 2010, 21:17
Worse than this?

I/C: Troy Simmonds, Andrew Collins, Robin Nahas, Mitch Farmer

That's pretty ordinary as well. I don't mind Nahas.
I still can't believe Simmonds is playing AFL in 2010.

Longy413
23 Apr 2010, 21:20
I reckon if Simmonds was at a club who was performing well, he'd be in really good form.

Just strikes me as a player who knows his team is no good and given he has no leadership skills, just shows no interest and is happy to take home is pay cheque each week.

Put him in a Bulldogs jumper and I reckon he'd still be going alright. He's not completely void of football talent.