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HighettBomber
22 Apr 2010, 09:54
Hank seems to be coming up every second post in the "We are ruining Houli" thread. There are a lot of opinions over where he should be played and if he should be played at all. I think this discussion probably deserves its own thread.

Personally, I don't think he is up to AFL standard. As a defender I think his defensive abilities are overated, he has trouble with players that are quick or are good overhead, he also has trouble with apponents who are good crumbers as he doesn't seem to be able to read the play very well. His skills are OK when he is not under pressure, but deteriorate drastically when he is, he is also a slow and poor decision maker. I would like to see Welsh and McVeigh moved down back, both can play the lock down role better than Hank and can offer something going forward.

The idea of playing him as a tagger seems just plain dumb. Our midfield is slow as it is, adding a plodder who doesn't get the ball much and can't create anything seems a big step backwards. Even if he does OK defensively on his apponent, it is highly unlikely we would end up ahead on any matchup.

stander
22 Apr 2010, 10:09
I'm looking forward to another Slattery v Didak, the wannabe Hells Angel, contest.

Slattery_20
22 Apr 2010, 10:24
I keep hearing he's VFL standard and Houli (/McVeigh/whoever else) are absolute GUNS.
THen I watch matches.
And Hank does his usual OK job, and others are completely god-awful; and wonder why it's only Slatts that is VFL standard, not the 4 or 5 others who stink it up on any given week.
He is to our side like Richie Vandenburg or Tim Clarke at the Hawks, David Johnson or Wojack at the Cats. If we're to be a good side, he'll be pushed out. Key word, pushed.

U Got Reimered
22 Apr 2010, 10:49
The idea of playing him as a tagger seems just plain dumb. Our midfield is slow as it is, adding a plodder who doesn't get the ball much and can't create anything seems a big step backwards. Even if he does OK defensively on his apponent, it is highly unlikely we would end up ahead on any matchup.

I think that is the pot calling the kettle black. Firstly it is Opponent, not Apponent.. Secondly you are misunderstanding the role of a tagger. The purpose of a tagger is not to get plenty of ball and create play, it is to shut done the opposition play who does just that.

I have been wanting Slattery moved to a tagging position for a while now and my views have not changed since last Friday. In my opinion Slattery is terrible in defence and costs way too much. Obviously others see it differently and that's fine. However I do think he can read the play, but can't seem to do anything about it and gives away too many free kicks in defence.

If moved into a tagging position, he would become much more valuable. Give him the sole responsibility of taking an opposition player out of the game would focus his attention and in some ways take the pressure off. I know that sounds weird when you say tagging Ablett takes the pressure off, but if he does makee a mistake in the midfield, it does not result in a goal (at least not straight away), whereas this does happen if Slattery ends up as the last line of defense.

I don't like the fact i cringe when the ball is kicked into the opponent's forward line to a one on one with Slattery. He definately has a spot in the seniors, but perhaps not in the position he is currently playing..

bacon buster
22 Apr 2010, 11:00
The idea of playing him as a tagger seems just plain dumb. Our midfield is slow as it is, adding a plodder who doesn't get the ball much and can't create anything seems a big step backwards.

that's a bad argument. the best taggers in the comp are not known for their pace - ling, jones, kane cornes, kirk.

i'm not sure he can do the job, because unlike those guys, i don't believe he can find the footy like they do. it wont be his pace holding him back though.

Ludwig van Bertstare
22 Apr 2010, 11:20
Tagger.

Ben the Gooner
22 Apr 2010, 11:38
Defender or tagger. Can do both capably.

The question is do we have someone to replace him in the backline?

keepzitreal
22 Apr 2010, 11:47
His serviceable but not good enough IMO...

Would rather have Spike play permanent BP.. with Atkinson coming in.. he stuffs up a bit but I still think he gives us something. Wouldnt mind T Slatts coming in either.

Slattery_20
22 Apr 2010, 12:02
His serviceable but not good enough IMO...

Would rather have Spike play permanent BP.. with Atkinson coming in.. he stuffs up a bit but I still think he gives us something. Wouldnt mind T Slatts coming in either.
That gives me a good old laugh.
Atkinson does not play back pocket, he does not play on a man, he runs up the wing.
(Would not mind having a look at T Slatts either tho, and McV if fit should force his way in to Houli's spot as the slightly more attacking small)

HighettBomber
22 Apr 2010, 12:20
I think that is the pot calling the kettle black. Firstly it is Opponent, not Apponent.. Secondly you are misunderstanding the role of a tagger. The purpose of a tagger is not to get plenty of ball and create play, it is to shut done the opposition play who does just that.

I have been wanting Slattery moved to a tagging position for a while now and my views have not changed since last Friday. In my opinion Slattery is terrible in defence and costs way too much. Obviously others see it differently and that's fine. However I do think he can read the play, but can't seem to do anything about it and gives away too many free kicks in defence.

If moved into a tagging position, he would become much more valuable. Give him the sole responsibility of taking an opposition player out of the game would focus his attention and in some ways take the pressure off. I know that sounds weird when you say tagging Ablett takes the pressure off, but if he does makee a mistake in the midfield, it does not result in a goal (at least not straight away), whereas this does happen if Slattery ends up as the last line of defense.

I don't like the fact i cringe when the ball is kicked into the opponent's forward line to a one on one with Slattery. He definately has a spot in the seniors, but perhaps not in the position he is currently playing..

If you are going to pick on spelling mistakes, try not to make so many yourself.

Slattery_20
22 Apr 2010, 12:29
If you are going to pick on spelling mistakes, try not to make so many yourself.
Nothing wrong with 'defence'.
Try putting your spell checker in English (Australian) or (British). Or, heaven forbid, pick up a dictionary.

AS9
22 Apr 2010, 12:32
I really like the idea of Slattery as a tagger. He went to Priddis late in the game against WCE and did very well. His replacement in the backline was Welsh and I think he wasn't suited to that role well which is the main problem. At the moment the only small lockdown defender we have is Slattery. So he cannot be moved out of that position.

pazza
22 Apr 2010, 13:11
His ability as a tagger has developed quite well the last 2 years..and as a back pocket is in very good form..i.e. he hasn't had a lot kicked on him for the day.

Should be in our leadership group based on his tenacity and often selfless acts on the ground. Better option than Welsh and McVeigh in that he sets the standard by what the others should be doing.

The Donners
22 Apr 2010, 13:28
VFL. You really only want 1 tagger in the team, that's either Hocking or Welsh.

Kaiser Powser
22 Apr 2010, 14:33
He has far too many irreparable weaknesses to be a future asset to our team.

He has poor skills, is slow, useless when the ball is in the air, has poor decision making ability.

I don't believe he should be getting a game just because we are short on shut down defenders and he seems to be the only bloke prepared to sacrifice his game to (try and) keep his opponent quiet. McVeigh, Hocking, T.Slattery, Houli would all perform as servicible shutdown players. Fletcher is surprisingly adept at beating small forwards. I am sure we can live without Hank.

Surely he is not in our future plans, if Lloyd got nudged towards the door for this reason then Hank should be on his way out also.

We are planning for the future why are we persisting with a guy that is so bad, if we have a weakness in this area, let's get someone who may be a part of our future to play in it, be that T.Slattery, Daniher or anyone else really.

HighettBomber
22 Apr 2010, 14:35
Nothing wrong with 'defence'.
Try putting your spell checker in English (Australian) or (British). Or, heaven forbid, pick up a dictionary.

There is if you spell it defence in one place and defense in another!

pazza
22 Apr 2010, 14:36
Hocking IS NOT A TAGGER. He is an in-and-under midfielder...but, never gets enough of a go in there to do it.

U Got Reimered
22 Apr 2010, 16:51
There is if you spell it defence in one place and defense in another!

Amazing!!!! No question, you sure did put me in my place.

Are you going to argue your point from the opening post?

DonMania#5
22 Apr 2010, 16:53
Can't stand him, VFL..

HighettBomber
22 Apr 2010, 18:00
Amazing!!!! No question, you sure did put me in my place.

Are you going to argue your point from the opening post?

I agree spelling has nothing to do with the argument, but you are in no position to complain as you brought up the topic.

Secondly you are misunderstanding the role of a tagger. The purpose of a tagger is not to get plenty of ball and create play, it is to shut done the opposition play who does just that.

I have been wanting Slattery moved to a tagging position for a while now and my views have not changed since last Friday. In my opinion Slattery is terrible in defence and costs way too much. Obviously others see it differently and that's fine. However I do think he can read the play, but can't seem to do anything about it and gives away too many free kicks in defence.

If moved into a tagging position, he would become much more valuable. Give him the sole responsibility of taking an opposition player out of the game would focus his attention and in some ways take the pressure off. I know that sounds weird when you say tagging Ablett takes the pressure off, but if he does makee a mistake in the midfield, it does not result in a goal (at least not straight away), whereas this does happen if Slattery ends up as the last line of defense.

I don't like the fact i cringe when the ball is kicked into the opponent's forward line to a one on one with Slattery. He definately has a spot in the seniors, but perhaps not in the position he is currently playing

I think tagging has gone past being just a shut down role. The best taggers in the comp such as Ling, Cornes and, to a lesser extent, Clint Jones all get as much or more of the ball than their opponent on a consistent basis. Ling also often drags his opponents forward and kicks goals on them. McVeigh has done this numerous times to Chris Judd also. If all our tagger does is limit his direct opponent a bit, which is all Hank will ever do, then we are still losing in that position. While I don't think Welsh is the best option in there, at least he wins a few clearances, and sometimes gets quite a few possessions.

I also cringe when Hank is left one out in the backline, and also whenever he gets the ball under any pressure.

Frothies Mcveigh
22 Apr 2010, 18:40
Defender or Tagger. Did well on Priddis late against West Coast but we dont really have someone to replace him in the backline.

DaSawx
22 Apr 2010, 18:45
Having Slattery as a tagger and being replaved in the backline by McVeigh is two fold.

Slattery has some great scalps as a tagger and can actually influence games quite well playing that role, while having McVeigh back there means someone who is calm with the ball in his hands, the less turnovers in the back half the better.

The sooner we replace Houli, Slattery and Dempsey in the backline with older, calmer heads who can spot up teammates better, the better we will look.

B: Fletcher Pears McVeigh
HB: Winderlich Hooker Dyson

Longy413
22 Apr 2010, 18:59
I don't think we need to replace Dempsey down there, leave Winderlich and Dyson rotating through the midfield and flanks, Dempsey would benefit from having McVeigh and Welsh back there and by not being dragged back to the goal line.

If we can leave Dempsey at a half-back flank, his form will improve almost immediately.

SirJimi05
22 Apr 2010, 19:38
I don't think we need to replace Dempsey down there, leave Winderlich and Dyson rotating through the midfield and flanks, Dempsey would benefit from having McVeigh and Welsh back there and by not being dragged back to the goal line.

If we can leave Dempsey at a half-back flank, his form will improve almost immediately.

But won't he still have to kick the ball? :confused::confused:

Longy413
22 Apr 2010, 19:45
Seemed to kick the ball alright when he was afforded the opportunity to play on the HBF last season and could run and create from there.

Easier to take off from HB and find space than it is to do it in the BP. It's probably a credit to his form and impact last season that other clubs are making every attempt to drag him back to the goal line.

SirJimi05
22 Apr 2010, 19:57
Seemed to kick the ball alright when he was afforded the opportunity to play on the HBF last season and could run and create from there.


Nah he wasn't. He was still giving off hospital passes and shanking kicks. It just wasn't noticed as much because his form wasn't so ordinary, overated form but certainly not ordinary.

russea
22 Apr 2010, 19:58
Hmm could this work?
Mcveigh > Back
Welsh > Forward
Slatts > Tag
Zaha > On ball

HighettBomber
22 Apr 2010, 22:46
Having Slattery as a tagger and being replaved in the backline by McVeigh is two fold.

Slattery has some great scalps as a tagger and can actually influence games quite well playing that role, while having McVeigh back there means someone who is calm with the ball in his hands, the less turnovers in the back half the better.

The sooner we replace Houli, Slattery and Dempsey in the backline with older, calmer heads who can spot up teammates better, the better we will look.

B: Fletcher Pears McVeigh
HB: Winderlich Hooker Dyson

That backline looks pretty good, there are a few other decent options for the back flanks also such as NLM and Welsh. I don't think Demsey should be completely discounted either. Who is best really depends on we are playing eg i don't think you would play Dyson on a taller, strong marking HFF. I am absolutely convinced that we should play the full back line you have listed.

yaco55
23 Apr 2010, 00:51
Strang that some posters rated Slattery's game last week but his opponent Le Cras got 7 votes in the coaches award.

Seeing that Natanui got 10 votes that means - Knight's has given Le Cras either 3 or 4 votes.

Ouch !

The House
23 Apr 2010, 01:07
Defender or tagger. Can do both capably.

The question is do we have someone to replace him in the backline?

but even you knew i'd have to jump on this one when i saw it goon!!!!!!!!

Does not defend capably imo.
Farther from being capable than my girl was at any stage tonight!
Turnovers and mistakes constantly put the side we love under so much pressure.
For me there are about 7 or 8 thay are more reliable as small defender on the list, just gotta pick one...McVeigh, Hocking, Welsh for a start, Lonergan, Myers, Houli, Dyson (not a fan but an improvement) or even give a roolie listed player a crack....Slatts has clearly shown us all he's got to show (i can't imagine even his biggest fans think he's got drastic improvement after 5 or so years).

Simply a liability.

Longy413
23 Apr 2010, 07:48
Strang that some posters rated Slattery's game last week but his opponent Le Cras got 7 votes in the coaches award.

Seeing that Natanui got 10 votes that means - Knight's has given Le Cras either 3 or 4 votes.

Ouch !

He only had 4 or 5 disposals on Slattery.
Kicked two goals after turnovers in our backline and another whilst on Dempsey.

He only beat Slattery in one contest, the first goal of the game. Even Leigh Matthews sang his praises during the game.

Slattery then had three clearances in a quarter when he went into the midfield.

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 08:20
He only had 4 or 5 disposals on Slattery.
Kicked two goals after turnovers in our backline and another whilst on Dempsey.

He only beat Slattery in one contest, the first goal of the game. Even Leigh Matthews sang his praises during the game.

Slattery then had three clearances in a quarter when he went into the midfield.
And held Priddis.
I just don't know why we don't do it more often. If we had a bit more confidence in the middle not to cough up so many easy clearances, we could afford to get the half-backs freed up and running a bit more.

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 08:25
Just got back from boning the mrs, tired and drunk....but even you knew i'd have to jump on this one when i saw it goon!!!!!!!!

Does not defend capably imo.
Farther from being capable than my girl was at any stage tonight!
Turnovers and mistakes constantly put the side we love under so much pressure.
For me there are about 7 or 8 thay are more reliable as small defender on the list, just gotta pick one...McVeigh, Hocking, Welsh for a start, Lonergan, Myers, Houli, Dyson (not a fan but an improvement) or even give a roolie listed player a crack....Slatts has clearly shown us all he's got to show (i can't imagine even his biggest fans think he's got drastic improvement after 5 or so years).

Simply a liability.
leeeettle bit too much info there, dude.

I'd love for you to point out the good games that Hocking, Welsh, Lonergan, Myers, or Dyson have played as a defender in the last 2-3 years. (I don't think you'll find any). My only memory of Hocking is having 2 or 3 kicked on him by Steve Johnson in a couple of minutes and quickly being moved. Myers being slapped by Simon &^#*ing Wiggins. Dyson being turned inside out by his man and losing touch. I don't think any of the others have gone further back than half-back.

Ben the Gooner
23 Apr 2010, 08:54
Just got back from boning the mrs, tired and drunk....but even you knew i'd have to jump on this one when i saw it goon!!!!!!!!

Does not defend capably imo.
Farther from being capable than my girl was at any stage tonight!
Turnovers and mistakes constantly put the side we love under so much pressure.
For me there are about 7 or 8 thay are more reliable as small defender on the list, just gotta pick one...McVeigh, Hocking, Welsh for a start, Lonergan, Myers, Houli, Dyson (not a fan but an improvement) or even give a roolie listed player a crack....Slatts has clearly shown us all he's got to show (i can't imagine even his biggest fans think he's got drastic improvement after 5 or so years).

Simply a liability.

Sober up, and try again. ;)

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 09:06
Sober up, and try again. ;)
That's what she said!

Ben the Gooner
23 Apr 2010, 09:08
High5.gif

HighettBomber
23 Apr 2010, 09:32
leeeettle bit too much info there, dude.

I'd love for you to point out the good games that Hocking, Welsh, Lonergan, Myers, or Dyson have played as a defender in the last 2-3 years. (I don't think you'll find any). My only memory of Hocking is having 2 or 3 kicked on him by Steve Johnson in a couple of minutes and quickly being moved. Myers being slapped by Simon &^#*ing Wiggins. Dyson being turned inside out by his man and losing touch. I don't think any of the others have gone further back than half-back.

This game comes up frequently. It is an absolute falicy, SJ kicked one goal on Hocking in the first quarter and Hocking beat him in quite a few contests, he was then moed into the midfield because we were being killed and SJ proceeded to tear Hank a new one. Have a look at a video of the game.

Slattery_20
23 Apr 2010, 09:52
This game comes up frequently. It is an absolute falicy, SJ kicked one goal on Hocking in the first quarter and Hocking beat him in quite a few contests, he was then moed into the midfield because we were being killed and SJ proceeded to tear Hank a new one. Have a look at a video of the game.
At least one, then they moved Houli onto him (IIRC, someone anyway), then finally Slatts.

bomberstomake8
23 Apr 2010, 10:15
I love slattery's defensive work. However his disposal can be woeful at times. The game style we employ means that our whole defence need to work to get the ball and provide an option. This means that slattery cant just be a lock down defender. He will still need to get his 10-15 touches a match because thats the way our defence operates. For right now he probably stays in the team but in the future I would like to see this

Fletcher Pears Daniher
Dempsey Hooker NLM

If you look at teams like Geelong they play a very tall backline. Scarlett, Milburn, Mackie, Taylor, Hunt, Enright. All pretty tall and flexible. Usign this structure I would play Daniher on a medium tall for arguments sake lets say SJ. Pears to the FF, Hooker to the CHF. Then leave fletcher to play on the small forwards, he has shwon he can absolutely dominate any forward of any side particularly the small forwards (ive never seen a small forward beat him by any stretch of the imagination). That defence is a very tall one but all 6 of those players are quick, agile and can play on a variety of sizes. Furthermore they all have good-great skills and can provide a lot of run on the rebound

As for slattery I think he could be a good tagger, whether he would be better then Welsh/Hocking is another question and I think those three would be fighting it out for that spot on the list in years to come

yaco55
24 Apr 2010, 00:11
And held Priddis.
I just don't know why we don't do it more often. If we had a bit more confidence in the middle not to cough up so many easy clearances, we could afford to get the half-backs freed up and running a bit more.

Slattery did well in the last quarter on Priddis.

Would like to see him tag through the midifeld.

yaco55
24 Apr 2010, 00:12
He only had 4 or 5 disposals on Slattery.
Kicked two goals after turnovers in our backline and another whilst on Dempsey.

He only beat Slattery in one contest, the first goal of the game. Even Leigh Matthews sang his praises during the game.

Slattery then had three clearances in a quarter when he went into the midfield.

You better speak to Knights:)

Smyth94
24 Apr 2010, 09:03
I love slattery's defensive work. However his disposal can be woeful at times.

Yeah well Slattery isn't alone there - 97% of our side can have woeful disposal, and ATM it's happening more often than not.

Besides, I can't recall Slatts making one big clanger by foot this year? Someone help me out if he has..

Duckworth
24 Apr 2010, 09:25
That's what she said!

gold!

Could try Slatts tagging for a quarter. Possibly in the 2nd as we seem to be hemorrhaging goals then. I'm not sure he has the ability to stay with a midfielder for a whole game.

HighettBomber
24 Apr 2010, 09:47
At least one, then they moved Houli onto him (IIRC, someone anyway), then finally Slatts.

No, Hocking played on him the whole first quarter. SJ kicked 1.1 and the one he did kick was caused by a shanked kick from Jobe, although he should have kicked the one he missed. Hocking also won a lot of the ball and beat him in most of the contests they had, and there were a lot because we were getting flogged. Hocking went into the midfield in the 2nd and Hank went directly to him.

Please defend Hank with as much info as possible, I'd love to be able to change my mind on him, but don't make things up.

table tennis
25 Apr 2010, 16:31
Slattery is a liability. Has to go

Seb78
25 Apr 2010, 17:14
VFL Player at best

Ben the Gooner
25 Apr 2010, 17:39
Was very good today. One of our best.

High and Dry
25 Apr 2010, 17:45
Really struggles when the ball is at his feet

table tennis
25 Apr 2010, 17:46
Was very good today. One of our best.

Then winderlich must of been outstanding.......

He slows people down, however when the footy comes his way, he is useless. That is an understatement. He is not alone, but he needs
more to be an AFL standard player. We will
not improve enough with a list clogger like slattery.

High and Dry
25 Apr 2010, 17:59
Then welsh must of been outstanding.......


Slatts at least disposed the ball well when he got it

Ben the Gooner
25 Apr 2010, 18:14
Then winderlich must of been outstanding.......

He slows people down, however when the footy comes his way, he is useless. That is an understatement. He is not alone, but he needs
more to be an AFL standard player. We will
not improve enough with a list clogger like slattery.

Funny. Slats is the only player I recall not turning it over...

Ludwig van Bertstare
25 Apr 2010, 18:21
Was very good today. One of our best.

Agreed.

table tennis
25 Apr 2010, 18:25
Because you can't turn it over if you can't pick the thing up!!!!

He gets tackled by the time he picks the pill up. Ling is a good
tagger who can hurt the other way. Slatts can't do anything other than sit on an opponent.

He is a scapegoat for a reason. He isn't any good…

Ben the Gooner
25 Apr 2010, 19:28
He is a scapegoat for a reason. He isn't any good…

I'll see your claim and raise you the Crichton Medal count.

yaco55
25 Apr 2010, 19:48
Funny. Slats is the only player I recall not turning it over...

Slattery fumbled all day long - He wasn't the only one.

Ordianary game by Slattery.

table tennis
25 Apr 2010, 23:22
I'll see your claim and raise you the Crichton Medal count.

When you have photos of the coach in a compromising position, you play in 22 games, and you poll votes!

kaskine
25 Apr 2010, 23:33
vfl
100% sure

pazza
26 Apr 2010, 08:24
Funny. Slats is the only player I recall not turning it over...

And the Champion Data stats say that is correct...12 touches at 100% efficiency. Did well on Didak and then the same when shifted to Medhurst.

table tennis
26 Apr 2010, 11:36
And the Champion Data stats say that is correct...12 touches at 100% efficiency. Did well on Didak and then the same when shifted to Medhurst.

That's the thing. Good taggers hurt the other way. 12 touches
and a bunch of fumbles does not constitute A good game. Didak still had an influence too.

Slattery_20
27 Apr 2010, 08:10
That's the thing. Good taggers hurt the other way. 12 touches
and a bunch of fumbles does not constitute A good game. Didak still had an influence too.
Dids had about 4 touches to half-time, assume he ended up with about 15 and 1 goal??? EDIT: 27d 1g. Decent second half.
I must have been missing something where games have been won by small-forwards; rather than the easy bloody ball coming in.
Slatts may be a limited hack but there's far, far bigger problems between the arcs and if you can't see that, you're kidding yourself.

Get your hands on it enough, and we'll make any defender look good. Have 20 turnovers at half-forward, and watch any defender look terrible.

Ben the Gooner
27 Apr 2010, 08:46
When you have photos of the coach in a compromising position, you play in 22 games, and you poll votes!

Heh, but the point remains.

table tennis
27 Apr 2010, 09:32
Heh, but the point remains.

I think that Andrew Lovett had a 10 times better year than Slattery last year. I think the general consensus does.

But the fact is that different people give votes at the club. It was well known that Andrew was disliked by many at the club last year, people's bias may have resulted in him finishing so low in the B&F, and the same Bias may be there for Slattery. Whom when the ball goes near, you know he is going to make you nervous, whether its a fumble, losing his feet or selling a teammate into trouble with a dumb hand ball (which count as effective possesions), May have the reverse bias to what Lovett did. Where Slatts is regarded highly in terms of personality around the club, people may without realising this, look past his indescretions on the ground and reward something that he does has, and that is courage, and give him votes.

Courage can only go so far.....

Ben the Gooner
27 Apr 2010, 09:44
Knights invested so much of his own time in Lovett. Why would he have bothered if he didn't like him as much as you say?

Lovett did nothing defensively which is why he didn't finsh high in the B&F.

table tennis
27 Apr 2010, 09:47
Knights invested so much of his own time in Lovett. Why would he have bothered if he didn't like him as much as you say?

Lovett did nothing defensively which is why he didn't finsh high in the B&F.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As you clearly rate Slatterys qualities higher than his faults, where I think his faults are higer than his qualities.

I dont think we will win a premiership with Slatts in the side.

Slattery_20
27 Apr 2010, 09:48
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

As you clearly rate Slatterys qualities higher than his faults, where I think his faults are higer than his qualities.

I dont think we will win a premiership with Slatts in the side.
I know we won't win a premiership with our current midfield "set-up".
Problems are 90% midfield.
Slattery may be terrible, but he's a side issue.

The House
27 Apr 2010, 13:55
Tbh, as staunch as his few fans are, i can honestly say i came on here expecting even Slatts 20 and Ben the Gooner saying he was clearly terrible against the pies.

But alas, i can say i was genuinely surprised to see that he in fact is alledged to have played well!!!!

Could the man have fumbled and fallen over more often in a game of footy???
I really don't know....is it even possible to fumble more than he did?

Whenever he tried to pick up anything below his knees he simply fumbled 9/10.

If someone told me he broke a hand early in the game it would make a lot of sense.

It's no secret that i don't rate him as an afl standard player, but i thought he was terrible for his own standards....he was playing so poorly i honestly felt bad for him as i watched.

Slattery_20
27 Apr 2010, 14:04
Tbh, as staunch as his few fans are, i can honestly say i came on here expecting even Slatts 20 and Ben the Gooner saying he was clearly terrible against the pies.

But alas, i can say i was genuinely surprised to see that he in fact is alledged to have played well!!!!

Could the man have fumbled and fallen over more often in a game of footy???
I really don't know....is it even possible to fumble more than he did?

Whenever he tried to pick up anything below his knees he simply fumbled 9/10.

If someone told me he broke a hand early in the game it would make a lot of sense.

It's no secret that i don't rate him as an afl standard player, but i thought he was terrible for his own standards....he was playing so poorly i honestly felt bad for him as i watched.
Where have I defended his game on the weekend? Quote me, muppet, before you have a go.
I maintain (while he's playing back pocket) he's not the problem. That is all.

The House
27 Apr 2010, 14:31
Where have I defended his game on the weekend? Quote me, muppet, before you have a go.
I maintain (while he's playing back pocket) he's not the problem. That is all.

Easy there tiger.
That's not what i said.
Just said i expected even you 2 to be saying his game was poo, which i didn't see.
Then i saw a quote from someone saying he was in fact good on the weekend which blew me away....didn't read every page and probably didn't make what i was saying clear enough.

Does this mean you agree he was terrible???:eek:

U Got Reimered
27 Apr 2010, 14:31
I am the first to admit that I need to lay off Slattery, especially at the games. Sometimes if someone stuffs up and I'm not sure exactly who it is, I'll just blame Slattery.

But can I get confirmation, not sure if anyone caught it but in one of very few occassions when someone kicked the ball towards our forward 50, I could have sworn it was Slattery by himself with no one near him infront of the 50 meter line who slipped before the ball got to him and Collingwood ended up the ball??? May not have been him, just checking..

But nothing beats when Fletcher soccered it off the ground in a contest infront of Collingwood's goals and the ball went to Slattery who didn't have an opponent with in 30 meters of him, but yet STILL managed to fumble it out of bounds!!! That was the end for me...

Slattery_20
27 Apr 2010, 14:49
Easy there tiger.
That's not what i said.
Just said i expected even you 2 to be saying his game was poo, which i didn't see.
Then i saw a quote from someone saying he was in fact good on the weekend which blew me away....didn't read every page and probably didn't make what i was saying clear enough.

Does this mean you agree he was terrible???:eek:
I wouldn't have him in our worst 3 or 4, but we only had 2 or 3 winners on the day, so he could arguably have been in our best 10 or 12.
More an indictment on much, much more "talented" players.
But I think he should be at least moved out of the pocket and others (TSLatts and Hardingham) should be looked at for those backline spots.

Slappery
27 Apr 2010, 18:16
ut can I get confirmation, not sure if anyone caught it but in one of very few occassions when someone kicked the ball towards our forward 50, I could have sworn it was Slattery by himself with no one near him infront of the 50 meter line who slipped before the ball got to him and Collingwood ended up the ball??? May not have been him, just checking..

That was Slattery, but in his defence the kick was over his head and behind him. He was running toward our goal but had to change direction, backwards and up, not easy to do, lost his footing.