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Daytripper
2 May 2010, 09:01
Okay, we had a win last night but if we're honest with ourselves it was against a side that are a fair dinkum rabble at the moment - they have won two of their last 12 games with those wins being against Melbourne & Richmond. :eek:
In the past, we've had a win and then gone back to mediocrity the next week.
The whole club needs to focus on Port asap as they are a far different proposition than Hawthorn. They are also a side that seem to trouble us even when they pllay at Etihad.
Could be a game where we miss Pears especially as they have 3 talls (Gray, Tredrea & Westhoff) all playing in reasonable form.
We are far from out of the shite after last night. A win next week will go a little way to righting the ship but there's still a long, long way to go for us.
Wouldn't surprise me that T. Slattery comes in as a 3rd tall defender given the above Trips. Not sure who'd go out though for him to come in.
If we lose Hille, Laycock comes in to back-up Ryder.
Darealrath
2 May 2010, 09:13
The key will be replicating the pressure and winning the clearances. Port have the foot skills to cut teams up if given space.
Seriously, it's time to beat Port Adelaide. I am absolutely sick of losing to these guys, home or away. These bastards have always got us in the past when we have been down in form or injury depleted but at least this time we come in with some sort of form and thankfully it is being played in Melbourne.
Bit of a potential for a 'letdown' by both sides, the Dons pressure was great last night but can they do it two weeks in a row? At times also after the Adelaide Showdown teams have a bit of a flat spot the following week.
We'll have to wait until the Match Review Panel meets before we can really start planning our attack for this game. Will be crucial. We can't afford to lose too many.
The Dustbin
2 May 2010, 09:36
It's time to beat these pricks. I want Henry and/or Dempsey to continue their good form on Gray. Shit he annoys me Gray... always bobs up against us. :mad:
I so hope we get a win against Port. They have absolutely owned us for years. We tend to let them have too much run through the middle and they carve us up. They have pretty good defensive KP's which will be a good test for Gumby/Hurley. We will need our midfield to stand up again.
Billy Bob65
2 May 2010, 10:07
Could be a game where we miss Pears especially as they have 3 talls (Gray, Tredrea & Westhoff) all playing in reasonable form.
A regular bean pole that Robbie Gray, I think we'll have to bring in Laycock so we can play Paddy back as I can't see anybody else that will go close to competing with him overhead, such is the sheer lankiness of his 184cms.
Naturally Pazza readily agrees with your assessment of Gray being comparable in size to Tredrea and Justin Westhoff
Captainfletch
2 May 2010, 13:15
Bring in T. Slattery, he'll get the job done.
Well from listening to Knights it looks like the team is not getting carried away and they're focussed on next week. I think it's a nice contrast to our huge celebrations against St.Kilda and Collingwood where we lost the next week.
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 13:20
They play a similar style of game to Hawthorn, with the forward press, so a repeat of last night's perfectly executed gameplan would go a long way to winning. Hard tackling and short chip kicks into the space behind the man on the mark before hitting a target in space is the way to play the zone.
St Kilda the following week play the same style.
Lance Uppercut
2 May 2010, 13:44
going on our form of the last 2 years, we will lose this game.
That would be unacceptable. You'd hope they'd all play with the same passion as last week, yet every single time last year they didn't.
Massive, massive test
Last time at the dome Motlop absolutely murdered us. Worried about Rodan having a similar impact without kicking the 7 goals but.
Massive game for the ruckmen and midfield again.
If the Cornse's and co. got on top at the stoppages we're in big trouble. Must stay doubly focused in the area.
They play a similar style of game to Hawthorn, with the forward press, so a repeat of last night's perfectly executed gameplan would go a long way to winning. Hard tackling and short chip kicks into the space behind the man on the mark before hitting a target in space is the way to play the zone.
St Kilda the following week play the same style.
This. :thumbsu:
HULK HOGAN
2 May 2010, 13:58
They play a similar style of game to Hawthorn, with the forward press, so a repeat of last night's perfectly executed gameplan would go a long way to winning. Hard tackling and short chip kicks into the space behind the man on the mark before hitting a target in space is the way to play the zone.
St Kilda the following week play the same style.
True but Hawthorn didn't play with much passion last night. Sometimes its a case of how you carry the game plan out, rather than just going through the motions. Howlett and Laycock in if the boys are suspended,Williams In??
Lance is on the money Massive test as we know Port will come to play, especially for our forward line.
mark_johnson#1
2 May 2010, 14:00
How far off is motlop??? i hate it when he plays against us.
I would think IF fletcher goes, slattery comes in to take westoff, and hooker takes tredrea.
I would not bring in neagle and play hurley back hurley has shown too much up forward to do that.
Hopefully the crowd is into it, really help the boys out at the Dome.
If they're gonna use that siren at the start, I wish they'd crank it up, I want it to hurt eardrums.
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 14:04
True but Hawthorn didn't play with much passion last night. Sometimes its a case of how you carry the game plan out, rather than just going through the motions. Howlett and Laycock in if the boys are suspended,Williams In??
Lance is on the money Massive test as we know Port will come to play, especially for our forward line.
Of course Hawthorn were down, but the point of the zone is conceding that space in order to shut out the more damaging space. If we clear right out of there like we did last night, then break into it like Winders and Stants especially did, we'll be looking very good.
Coobk001
2 May 2010, 14:06
Could be a game where we miss Pears especially as they have 3 talls (Gray, Tredrea & Westhoff) all playing in reasonable form.
haha, Grays about 3 foot tall. A small rover who moves a lot like Gary Jr.
HULK HOGAN
2 May 2010, 14:09
Of course Hawthorn were down, but the point of the zone is conceding that space in order to shut out the more damaging space. If we clear right out of there like we did last night, then break into it like Winders and Stants especially did, we'll be looking very good.
Winders off the ball running was great last night, Stanton was just doing his normal thing. Port will not allow things to happen so easily and thats why its a massive test.
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 14:18
Winders off the ball running was great last night, Stanton was just doing his normal thing. Port will not allow things to happen so easily and thats why its a massive test.
Agree 100%.
Really looking forward to Saturday.
Daytripper
2 May 2010, 14:25
haha, Grays about 3 foot tall. A small rover who moves a lot like Gary Jr.
He's 6"1 but granted he is not as tall as I originally implied. :o
Does play tall though if you know what I mean - good overhead and very smart footballer.
Back on topic - we haven't beaten Port since 2004.
Guys you need to watch more football.
1) Gray is considered to be a small to mid sized forward
2) Westhoff has been playing a lonking role in the midfield - spends little time forward.
Power are an average team - so despite our poor recent record head to head - It is a game we can win.
Daytripper
2 May 2010, 14:52
Jay Schultz is 6"4
Westhoff is 6"6
Tredrea is 6'4
Nothwithstanding the misconception about Gray, they have some big blokes up forward that we have to match up on somehow.
Probably one game where Pears will be missed as you would imagine if he was fit, the matchups would be :
Tredrea = Pears
Westhoff = Hooker
Schultz = Fletcher
Then you'd want a tallish, mobile defender on Gray as he is so good overhead.
Does Hurley go back for this game with Neagle/Williams to come in. A leading forward might make life more uncomfortable for Carlisle/Pettigrew as they are both excellent spoilers of the high ball..
Port, despite winning 4 games, have a very ordinary percentage of 87% - yes, slightly better than ours, but despite a pretty dominant first game against North Melbourne in Adelaide they really have not put teams away to any extent and have had a certain degree of luck in a couple of their wins, which have all been close (the West Coast game comes to mind with that whole 'Stretcher Gate' episode). A winless Adelaide were leading for a majority of the game yesterday and while I concede Port should and probably will enter the game as favourites, I don't think it is an 'unwinnable' game by any means, especially over here...
I doubt we can or will replicate the 107 tackles and winning the clearance count by 22 two weeks in a row against Port, especially at Etihad, but we shouldn't also underestimate the 'Showdown' letdown factor that can occassionally rear its head with the Adelaide teams. Despite it hardly getting a mention here, the Showdown is the mini Grand Final in their pissant town and they would of put everything and a little more into winning yesterday...
Frothies Mcveigh
2 May 2010, 15:04
Would love to see T.Slatts come in this week. Tredrea hasent been doing a whole lot, Schultz is rabble and Westhoff hasent spent muc time up forward. We need to apply the same amount of pressure as we did last night and if players can follow Winderlichs example of off the ball running then we will go a long way to winning quite well.
Daytripper
2 May 2010, 15:04
I doubt we can or will replicate the 107 tackles and winning the clearance count by 22 two weeks in a row against Port, especially at Etihad, but we shouldn't also underestimate the 'Showdown' letdown factor that can occassionally rear its head with the Adelaide teams. Despite it hardly getting a mention here, the Showdown is the mini Grand Final in their pissant town and they would of put everything and a little more into winning yesterday...
Results after showdown :
2009 : Lost (away), Won (home)
2008 : Lost (home), Lost (home)
2007 : Won (away), Won (home)
2006 : Lost (home), Lost (away)
2005 ; Draw(home), Won (away)
2004 : Lost (away), Won (away)
2003 : Won (home), Lost (home)
2002 : Won (home), Won (away)
2001 : Won (away), Won (home)
They've won 5/8 when playing away from home after a showdown and 10/18 overall.
Results after showdown :
2009 : Lost (away), Won (home)
2008 : Lost (home), Lost (home)
2007 : Won (away), Won (home)
2006 : Lost (home), Lost (away)
2005 ; Draw(home), Won (away)
2004 : Lost (away), Won (away)
2003 : Won (home), Lost (home)
2002 : Won (home), Won (away)
2001 : Won (away), Won (home)
They've won 5/8 when playing away from home after a showdown and 10/18 overall.
And Port were a very good side in a majority of those years. They're certainly not as good at the moment. Love to see how the Crows have gone as well the week after a showdown.
Dean Laidley in the Port Adelaide coaches box shoudn't be underestimated either. Always had a knack of dismantling Essendon and their gameplan, even when we had a superior side to the one he was coaching.
Depending on how he went in the SANFL, I would say Motlop would be back this week. He seems to fire up against your mob.
Looking forward to this game :thumbsu:
I'm sorry, but a lot of you have little idea of us. And I'm not saying I know everything about Essendon, but.... geez.
Anyway, good luck. :thumbsu: I believe I'll be heading over for this one.
Jay Schultz is 6"4
Westhoff is 6"6
Tredrea is 6'4
Nothwithstanding the misconception about Gray, they have some big blokes up forward that we have to match up on somehow.
Probably one game where Pears will be missed as you would imagine if he was fit, the matchups would be :
Tredrea = Pears
Westhoff = Hooker
Schultz = Fletcher
Then you'd want a tallish, mobile defender on Gray as he is so good overhead.
Does Hurley go back for this game with Neagle/Williams to come in. A leading forward might make life more uncomfortable for Carlisle/Pettigrew as they are both excellent spoilers of the high ball..
Unless they change the structure this week - Westhoff has been playing midfield.
The 2 key defenders for Power are Carlisle and Chaplin.
Likely match ups are
Hooker vs Scultz
Fletcher vs Tredrea
I'm sorry, but a lot of you have little idea of us. And I'm not saying I know everything about Essendon, but.... geez.
Anyway, good luck. :thumbsu: I believe I'll be heading over for this one.
Comes from having most of our games on Fox. People just see the end result/match review and form their opinions from there.
Good for us, in a way. ;)
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 17:53
I wouldn't be opposed to Neagle coming in and Hurley playing on Tredrea, tbh.
Wahooti Fandango
2 May 2010, 18:00
At least Dew can no longer tear us a new one.
I'm sorry, but a lot of you have little idea of us. And I'm not saying I know everything about Essendon, but.... geez.
Anyway, good luck. :thumbsu: I believe I'll be heading over for this one.
Point some examples out...Other than one poster listing Grey as a tall, I didn't seem to notice any 'out of the ordinary' lack of knowledge comments by your typical opposition supporter.
PortBrillance
2 May 2010, 20:05
beware of Port Adelaide, we wont be easy to beat this week
Surely this week its our turn, SURELY!!!
Sick of this club and there front running forwards showboating there way to 10 goal wins against us. Between Motlop, the Burgoynes, Cockatoo Collins, Tredrea, Cornes, Dew, I have had a gutful of it!!
Its time to genuinely draw a line in the sand and get this gorilla off our back.
The Donners
2 May 2010, 20:13
Of course Hawthorn were down, but the point of the zone is conceding that space in order to shut out the more damaging space. If we clear right out of there like we did last night, then break into it like Winders and Stants especially did, we'll be looking very good.
Love your optimism BtG! :thumbsu:
Surely this week its our turn, SURELY!!!
Sick of this club and there front running forwards showboating there way to 10 goal wins against us. Between Motlop, the Burgoynes, Cockatoo Collins, Tredrea, Cornes, Dew, I have had a gutful of it!!
Its time to genuinely draw a line in the sand and get this gorilla off our back.
'ken oath!
I've had enough - I want to absolutely smash these pri*cks
bipolarbeaR
2 May 2010, 21:09
Mannn.. I am coming up from Tasmania to watch this game, and you all have me almost worried out of going...
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 21:16
Love your optimism BtG! :thumbsu:
Whether we can do it is another thing...
Can someone tell me the last time Fletch played vs Port? He never seems to play against them.
Jay Shulz -> Dustin Fletcher
Warren Tredrea -> Cale Hooker
Justin Westoff -> Tyson Slattery
Robbie Gray -> Henry Slattery
That looks about right..
Duckworth
2 May 2010, 22:00
Jay Shulz -> Dustin Fletcher
Warren Tredrea -> Cale Hooker
Justin Westoff -> Tyson Slattery
Robbie Gray -> Henry Slattery
That looks about right..
Yep, good idea to match Fletch up on the most out of form/least damaging player. That way he can be a bit loose and run things down back.
Wonder if we'll see Nash this week? Haven't seen anything of him in the news since trade day.
I prefer Hurley playing down back as a plan B only. If Fletcher goes with MRP report then it make things a bit difficult.
I would also prefer NLM to continue starting in the middle for centre bounces. He's a deceptively strong lad imo. His form complements Watson nicely.
Frothies Mcveigh
2 May 2010, 22:08
Agree with Godzke 100%.
gO_bOmBeRz
2 May 2010, 22:55
I think the main focus is to try and beat them in the middle, they have a good midfield in: Pearce, Boak, Cassisi, Salopek and Kane Cornes
In all likelihood Schulz or Westhoff will be out for Nick Salter this week, he was leading the SANFL goalkicking before this round despite missing a game and Schulz and Westhoff did three fifths of ****-all combined in the Showdown.
Ben the Gooner
2 May 2010, 23:31
In all likelihood Schulz or Westhoff will be out for Nick Salter this week, he was leading the SANFL goalkicking before this round despite missing a game and Schulz and Westhoff did three fifths of ****-all combined in the Showdown.
Based on what you usually say about Choco, I think that means Salter will be delisted on Tuesday. :D
Any chance of Hitchcock or Banner?
Point some examples out...Other than one poster listing Grey as a tall, I didn't seem to notice any 'out of the ordinary' lack of knowledge comments by your typical opposition supporter.
Westhoff playing as a forward.
My reading of the posts is that a limited understanding of Port is being displayed.
Westhoff playing as a forward.
My reading of the posts is that a limited understanding of Port is being displayed.
I wouldn't call that a 'howler' though
Jay Shulz -> Dustin Fletcher
Warren Tredrea -> Cale Hooker
Justin Westoff -> Tyson Slattery
Robbie Gray -> Henry Slattery
That looks about right..
Do you expect T.Slattery to play part of the game in the midfield.
And you have forgotten about brad Ebert !
I wouldn't call that a 'howler' though
Not quite a howler, but i can provide lots of information about Port's game style.
bombre-boy
3 May 2010, 00:54
Only thing i want to see out of this game is for that block head Brogan to get smacked...he is the definition of a mental pigmy.
Power King
3 May 2010, 01:07
Only read the first page of the thread (forgive me, i'm about to head to sleep).
Didn't you guys beat us the last time we played? I seem to remember Lloyd stopping Carlile's top streak of form by kicking 5 goals...
If we have a weakness, it's our forward line. Choco is refusing to play Salter who is our great hope for full forward (he's leading the goal-kicking in the SANFL ffs and has been carving it up there for too long). Motlop also hasn't played all year, not sure if he's fully fit yet.
Also, if lobbe gets dropped (he shouldn't, the supporters would be calling choco's head if he does, but you just never know with el chocolat) then brogan on his own against hille/ryder might get tired near the end of the match...
tha Freak
3 May 2010, 01:44
You guys have had a measure for some time.
2009 Lost -41
2008 Lost -64
2007 Lost -31
2006 Lost -60
2005 Lost -19
2004 WON -40
2004 Lost -96
2003 Lost -38
2003 Lost -50
2002 Lost -24
2002 Lost -59
We can't seem to win against you in recent history. I still think your side will match up against us well and unless we can back up with the same or improved performance that we showed against a inferior Hawthorn, we will lose. Losing players through reports might hurt us but I think the only one we will lose will be Welsh who can be replaced. Confidence is our key and hopefully we can maintain it this week but from our performances so far, we can't be to optimistic.
Port's defensive pressure has been good this year - bring that and they will win, but if they don't the Dons can carve up teams who don't harrass them.
Pocket_Pears
3 May 2010, 08:40
Any chance of Howlett getting called up this week for the Port game? Was best on ground for Bendigo against Geelong this week.
Should definitely get a guernsey if Welsh is suspended otherwise he could replace Dyson who was ordinary against the Hawks.
rioli brownlow
3 May 2010, 10:01
I prefer Hurley playing down back as a plan B only. If Fletcher goes with MRP report then it make things a bit difficult.
I would also prefer NLM to continue starting in the middle for centre bounces. He's a deceptively strong lad imo. His form complements Watson nicely.
if fletch goes at the tribunal. what about bringing the **** in to help out hille
(who i think should be ok). and playing paddy at chb, thus leaving hurls up forward
Well I prefer Paddy down back than Hurley. Even though Hurley would be better one-on-one, if we can play a loose man down back (possibly assign that role to Paddy even) then we shouldn't be looking too bad. I'm going to wait until we the outcome of the MRP before thinking any more about it.
Keen to see what this Tyson Slattery kid can do.
bacon buster
3 May 2010, 10:23
Depending on how he went in the SANFL, I would say Motlop would be back this week. He seems to fire up against your mob.
Looking forward to this game :thumbsu:
ahh ffs. i was thinking about that on the weekend.
probably a good time to bring him back to play him into form, he always kills us. :rolleyes:
Almost guarenteed that at least two of their smallish forwards will tear us apart, especially at Etihad.
I'm always dumbfounded at how good we've managed to make Port look at times in recent seasons when we've played them. Sure, we haven't been the greatest side during this period but they certainly haven't been either... we are overly due to beat them and beat them well, but unfortunately football doesn't work that way...
I think in a Etihad style shootout we won't be able to beat them as they have more options which will get under our guard and they have pretty slick skills which will hurt us in a big way, especially if we turn it over enough. If we play a similar lockdown style game like we did against Hawthorn, we'll be in with a chance but it's going to be difficult to replicate a 107 tackle game again and I doubt Port are going to allow the clearance count to be as one-sided as last week...
I tend to watch a fair bit of Port as my wife and in-laws barrack for them. We're coming over for this one and it will be no walk in the park for us, it will be tough. Our biggest advantage will be that Port have been struggling to really put sides away despite getting wins so if behind we'll hopefully remain in the game rather than get blown away. Fingers crossed we can apply some pressure, get our running game going and come away with the points.
My thoughts on them:
I doubt Motlop will play, he's had 1 game in the SANFL yesterday and by all reports was ordinary. I reckon Gray and Ebert are more of a threat to us than Tredrea, Schulz and Westhoff. Both play tall but are very different players. Gray has all the tricks and is very elusive, Ebert is more a traditional forward but has an almighty leg on him which makes him dangerous from anywhere within 60. If Salter plays then he spells danger. Great grab, good ground skills for a key forward and his kick is poetry in motion.
Carlisle and Chaplin will ensure Hurbleton have a harder time of it and our midfield won't get it's own way this week to deliver as well, Port's midfield pressure has been great. Paul Stewart and Surjan are also in great touch. Davey and our other forwards need to keep the pressure up to Port's defence for 4 quarters.
Port's biggest wildcard is Danyle Pearce. Their defence and fellow midfielders like the ball in has hands. In past seasons he's sulked when tagged but this year he is just working hard to break the tag and doing it pretty well. Give him space and he will kill us. The rest of their midfield is blue collar but are getting the job done as I don't believe enough teams are giving them their due respect. They aren't big name players but they are working well this season.
Coobk001
3 May 2010, 11:50
Wonder if we'll see Nash this week? Haven't seen anything of him in the news since trade day.
He was nothing short of horrible in the pre-season and fittingly since then he was relegated from that 22-25th player bracket to the very bottom of our player list. However his form in the SANFL of late has been great and he'll be starting to push close to selection although he'll need an injury to P Stewart, J Surjan or H Hartlett to get a gig.
ExpectToWin
3 May 2010, 11:51
You guys have had a measure for some time.
2009 Lost -41
2008 Lost -64
2007 Lost -31
2006 Lost -60
2005 Lost -19
2004 WON -40
2004 Lost -96
2003 Lost -38
2003 Lost -50
2002 Lost -24
2002 Lost -59
We can't seem to win against you in recent history. I still think your side will match up against us well and unless we can back up with the same or improved performance that we showed against a inferior Hawthorn, we will lose. Losing players through reports might hurt us but I think the only one we will lose will be Welsh who can be replaced. Confidence is our key and hopefully we can maintain it this week but from our performances so far, we can't be to optimistic.
Well based on that, if we do lose I'm putting some money on a Port premiership
Knight Ryders
3 May 2010, 12:41
Comes down to intensity...again. The issue for us in the last 2.5 years, is bringing that sort of intensity week in, week out. Knights will need to make sure that the guys don't just think it is going to happen.
Comes down to intensity...again. The issue for us in the last 2.5 years, is bringing that sort of intensity week in, week out. Knights will need to make sure that the guys don't just think it is going to happen.
I agree. I'm confident we can win if we bring the same attitude that we did to the Hawthorn game.
donsman4eva
3 May 2010, 13:01
One port playe on one has mentioned is Jason Davenport. He is clearly having his best season to date. We always struggle against small forwards, so he is a big threat IMO.
10 out of 11 against is a disgrace. Port's record against us is better than ours against Carlton! Time to put and end to it this week. If we play with the intensity and the tackling pressure we did against the Hawks we will win.
Okay, we had a win last night but if we're honest with ourselves it was against a side that are a fair dinkum rabble at the moment - they have won two of their last 12 games with those wins being against Melbourne & Richmond. :eek:
In the past, we've had a win and then gone back to mediocrity the next week.
The whole club needs to focus on Port asap as they are a far different proposition than Hawthorn. They are also a side that seem to trouble us even when they pllay at Etihad.
Could be a game where we miss Pears especially as they have 3 talls (Gray, Tredrea & Westhoff) all playing in reasonable form.
We are far from out of the shite after last night. A win next week will go a little way to righting the ship but there's still a long, long way to go for us.
With all due respect... WTF? :)
Our forward line has been far from functional this year:
- Tredrea looks a bit slower this year but is chipping in for 1 or 2 goals a game along with some bullocking work.
- Westhoff has spent 75% in the ruck or anywhere else on the ground. Against the Crows he was Inspector Clouseau... a fumbling mess.
- Gray sure turned it on against the Crows and has been back for a few weeks... however, it is a real injury management task to get him on the park every week.
Our other forwards (Ebert, Schulz, Davenport and co) are working hard but barely setting the world on fire... in fact struggling to hit a barn from 5m away.
It is our midfield pressure, contests and defence that is leading the way for us this year.
Should be a good game anyway... your young, speedy players trying to beat our zoning and defence.
Cheers
As for any Port changes... the general feeling is:
OUTS
* definitely
- Josh Carr
** possibly one of
- Westhoff or Schul or Ebert
INS
* definitely
- Krakouer... to help match your leg speed.
** one of
- Motlop or Salter or Hitchcock... any of those would match up well against you guys IMO, but I think they'll most likely bring in Motlop.
Finally, they might be tempted to drop Matthew Lobbe (our backup ruckman) and bring in Jackson Trengove (or Salter). Then use Brogan & Westhoff in the ruck against Hille and Ryder. Ryder and Westhoff are both similar in ruck styles. Then either use Salter up forward or Trengove as another Ruck/Forward/Defense option.
Cheers guys.
resurrector
3 May 2010, 15:37
was listening to Motlop on MMM in Adelaide before the showdown and apparently he chucked a massive hissey fit at not being selected for that game...cleaned out his locker and stormed out the club by all reports. not sure how choco will react to this type of carry on, so i reckon motlop would probably be a 50-50 to play.
robbie gray is most definitely NOT a tall forward either, listed at 184cm so any of Slatts, Atko, Dempsey could get him.
the game will definitely be won in the midfield, hope we can retain hille as i think we could get real advantage over ports brogan & lobbe/westoff combo.
howlett to come in for welsh and tag pearce outta the game...with close attention to be paid to boak, salopek and studley cornes (wherever he roams)
living in ADL i HATE losing to the local teams...i hope we can string some form together for once. the stage is set with this being a very winnable game, i can only hope we bring some of the intensity from the hawks game to this one.
living in ADL i HATE losing to the local teams...i hope we can string some form together for once.
Amen to that.
Shit he annoys me Gray... always bobs up against us. :mad:
To be fair, he's a super young player. If he can get over his injury worries and have an extended patch of fitness he'll be 'bobbing up' against everyone. :thumbsu:
I expect Hocking to run with Pearce.
Pearce's kicking against Adelaide was ordinary so expect him to kick beautifully this week.
The Cornes brothers were back in top form and need to be watched closely.
It is important that Hurley match up on C.Cornes and make him accountable.
resurrector
4 May 2010, 02:59
motlop had only 13 touches and 1 goal in the SANFL. although his team (nth adl) got thrashed so probly not much opportunity...
his opponent by the way? our old mate nashy...who managed to pick up some 30 touches.
bipolarbeaR
4 May 2010, 03:35
Scary thought! lol
Nah, he needed a fresh start, good luck to him, Houli is just a better version.
TheDon35
4 May 2010, 16:51
Ok, Port.
Firstly, we have sucked really hard against them for way too long. Get completely lost against them it seems.
We turned it around last week off the back of clearance dominance. First hands on the ball is so under rated in the bigger scheme of tactics. We did it last week and smashed the Hawks.
Though i've been critical of Welsh in the first part of the year, his game on Sat was very good and he was pivotal at stoppages. On that form, he will be sorely missed this week. Will require someone to fill his void and others to step up in support to ensure we get them on the back foot and wear them down over 4 quarters.
Winderlich......... So frustrating. As good a game as you could ask for on Saturday night. He reverts back to his first 5 rounds form and we are 2 players down from Saturdays performance. Must back up.
Win loose or draw, a consistent, committed, hard edged 4 quarter performance i'll be happy with. If we can't back up against a middle roader like Port then it will say alot about the state of play.
reCOGnise
4 May 2010, 18:07
Point some examples out...Other than one poster listing Grey as a tall, I didn't seem to notice any 'out of the ordinary' lack of knowledge comments by your typical opposition supporter.
Must I?
drcollossimo
4 May 2010, 19:51
Question for you guys, is there really a ground swell of dislike or lack of respect for Port over there?
Sure we have had a good run against you guys but Sydney almost always pants us and you can't help but admire what they achieve.
I don't think anything in the games Port v Essendon have been particularly spiteful, ok last year Brogan and Lovett but I was there and seriously it was far more of a beat up that anything else, honestly if it happened in play it wouldn't even rate a free kick!
Just curious...
Must I?
Har har...
Question for you guys, is there really a ground swell of dislike or lack of respect for Port over there?
Sure we have had a good run against you guys but Sydney almost always pants us and you can't help but admire what they achieve.
I don't think anything in the games Port v Essendon have been particularly spiteful, ok last year Brogan and Lovett but I was there and seriously it was far more of a beat up that anything else, honestly if it happened in play it wouldn't even rate a free kick!
Just curious...
No, it's more to do with the fact that we can't seem to beat you, also the fact that we always seem to play you blokes when either a) We're horribly out of form or b) Have a few of our top players missing
It looks like this time we've pretty much got most of our personnel to choose from minus 2-3 of our best 22. So no excuses.
Power King
4 May 2010, 21:31
How much does history really count for though when analysing wo's going to win
How much does history really count for though when analysing wo's going to win
Well surely after about 5-6 wins on the trot it does become an issue
Knight Ryders
4 May 2010, 21:58
How much does history really count for though when analysing wo's going to win
For me, Knights seems to be trying to build it up like last week, which is not going to last long to try and play with that kind of emotion every week. It should be automatic, a state of mind.
Knight Ryders
4 May 2010, 22:01
Actually, given that Port are zoning more, we're probably more of a chance. You used to just beat us straight up, one on one.
We'll miss Pears this week as he would have been a great match up for Tredrea. Fletcher has always struggled with Tredders and Hooker won't have the muscle, although he could provide some good run off him.
bombermick
4 May 2010, 22:21
Actually, given that Port are zoning more, we're probably more of a chance. You used to just beat us straight up, one on one.
We'll miss Pears this week as he would have been a great match up for Tredrea. Fletcher has always struggled with Tredders and Hooker won't have the muscle, although he could provide some good run off him.
Is it worth playing Hurley on Tredders this week with Williams up forward, or do we back ourselves in and play Hurley up front?
Question for you guys, is there really a ground swell of dislike or lack of respect for Port over there?
Sure we have had a good run against you guys but Sydney almost always pants us and you can't help but admire what they achieve.
I don't think anything in the games Port v Essendon have been particularly spiteful, ok last year Brogan and Lovett but I was there and seriously it was far more of a beat up that anything else, honestly if it happened in play it wouldn't even rate a free kick!
Just curious...
My dislike of Port Adelaide stems from the club's arrogance. Beating your (not you specifically) chests about being established in 1870. No one cares. Beating you chest over all the "premierships" you've won and how they equate to VFL... once again ... no one cares.
For all the chest beating of being an old powerhouse of Australian football, you sure don't do much to support it. You consistently draw shitouse crowds as well. How is that Fremantle are a bigger club than you guys? Makes no sense.
The opinion of Essendon, from Port fans (at least the old school ones), I believe has been rather amicable... as Choco loves to point out, as we did more to aid the establishment of the Power in the AFL than any other club.
FishingRick04
4 May 2010, 23:00
Jay Shulz -> Dustin Fletcher
Warren Tredrea -> Cale Hooker
Justin Westoff -> Tyson Slattery
Robbie Gray -> Henry Slattery
That looks about right..
So whose gonna stand ebert and Motlop? Pretty diverse forward line now. Wouldn't suprise me if Schulz goes this week for Nick Salter or Michael Pettigrew, whose been playing SANFL all year as a forward and kicking goals. Alot of us supporters have wanted pettigrew up forward for years as he plays similar to John Anthony.
Must I?
Try Westhoff playing as a permanent forward.
So whose gonna stand ebert and Motlop? Pretty diverse forward line now. Wouldn't suprise me if Schulz goes this week for Nick Salter or Michael Pettigrew, whose been playing SANFL all year as a forward and kicking goals. Alot of us supporters have wanted pettigrew up forward for years as he plays similar to John Anthony.
If Shulz is out..
Fletcher goes to Motlop
T.Slattery goes to Ebert
Hooker goes to Tredrea
Dont know about Westoff, is he going to be that damaging against us.. seems to have had a bad run of it lately.
resurrector
5 May 2010, 01:46
there's really no point in speculating until the actual teams are announced....
basically hooker and fletch will get the talls, and dempsey, atko, slatts etc will the get the mediums/smalls
If Shulz is out..
Fletcher goes to Motlop
T.Slattery goes to Ebert
Hooker goes to Tredrea
Dont know about Westoff, is he going to be that damaging against us.. seems to have had a bad run of it lately.
Westhoff has been ordinary the last two weeks.
drcollossimo
5 May 2010, 13:14
Beating your (not you specifically) chests about being established in 1870. No one cares. Beating you chest over all the "premierships" you've won and how they equate to VFL... once again ... no one cares.
For all the chest beating of being an old powerhouse of Australian football, you sure don't do much to support it. You consistently draw shitouse crowds as well. How is that Fremantle are a bigger club than you guys? Makes no sense.
The opinion of Essendon, from Port fans (at least the old school ones), I believe has been rather amicable... as Choco loves to point out, as we did more to aid the establishment of the Power in the AFL than any other club.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, if no one cares about our history why do you dislike us for it? You know what I mean? You either care about it or you don't...
As for the crowd figures I totally agree it frustrates most Port fans that a club like Freo has more money, fans etc.. compared to us. I am not 100% sure why we struggle in that regard it definitely has something to do with Ports bid to enter the AFL in 1990. There is lots of simmering discontent about that issue and we operate in a small city with sadly some small minded opinions.
Most people follow the Crows simply because their parents did, it 's what most people do or they think the Crows preferentially represent the state. None of these are really good reasons but it's what happens and something Crows have been very good at reinforcing...
As far as the history goes that is what I don't understand we had a fairly distinct Essendon connection when we joined the AFL which has had some big games come and go since then none of them like the Hawks/Bombers games we've seen of late.
Oh well guess we will see what happens on Saturday as to how much substance is in Knight's statements, can't wish you guys well this week but good luck for the rest of the season...
Coobk001
5 May 2010, 17:43
Outside this town people have no idea how strong the love or hate is for port adelaide, they think they feel it for Collingwood, but the feeling they have goes nowhere near what supporters here think of Port Adelaide.
Before Ports entry to the AFL we competed in over half of the grand finals ever played in the SANFL, HALF OF THE GF'S EVER PLAYED!!! 34 Premierships, 35 Losses (Technically we won 33 and lost 27 due to the pre-Grand Final era). Thats almost 70 years of success, thats why they hate us, the amount of times we've crushed opposition supporters dreams and been successful is deadly irritating, and it is something those outside of Adelaide can never understand, and something Port will always have to live with regardless of whether we proclaim where we came from or not.
For example South Adelaide a club founded in 1877 have never played in a GF that hasn't involved Port Adelaide, that says it all.
Fair enough, but for people outside of South Australia, nobody really cares about the SANFL.
It has nothing to do with the AFL.
Coobk001
5 May 2010, 21:36
Fair enough, but for people outside of South Australia, nobody really cares about the SANFL.
It has nothing to do with the AFL.
Agreed, but until 1987ish (When WA, Bris & Syd moved in) nobody in SA gave a shit about the VFL.
PortBrillance
5 May 2010, 21:41
If you cant respect Port Adelaide FC then you cant respect anything
Ben the Gooner
5 May 2010, 22:00
If you cant respect Port Adelaide FC then you cant respect anything
1 flag in 13 years?
Meh.
Love your sig though.
DVD Player
5 May 2010, 22:04
Agreed, but until 1987ish (When WA, Bris & Syd moved in) nobody in SA gave a shit about the VFL.
Well actually, my entire family, although living and raised in Adelaide, had a soft spot for Carlton similar to the one they reserved for Sturt.
Take BigFooty for example. Not indicative of the club as a whole nor its fans but here we read "est 1870". Why? Do you see Melbourne beating their chests about supposedly being the oldest sporting club in the world? No. All I read is "Melbourne". Is that because Port fans suffer from a superiority complex whereby they have to qualify their club as being one of the oldest as opposed to being one of the newest clubs in the AFL?
Just doesn't make sense at all.Fair enough, but for people outside of South Australia, nobody really cares about the SANFL.
It has nothing to do with the AFL.
Agreed, but until 1987ish (When WA, Bris & Syd moved in) nobody in SA gave a shit about the VFL.
... and that's my point.
Port effectively moved into the VFL + 5 interstate teams. They moved UP a league yet they think all their premierships from the SANFL should equate to the success of the Victorian clubs in here. Absolute bollocks.
If you cant respect Port Adelaide FC then you cant respect anything
Worst ... post ... ever.