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coup de grace
3 May 2010, 17:50
just saw on the news welsh suspended for 4 matches, 3 with early plea. hille and fletch cleared
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12. Andrew Welsh (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348873)
bipolarbeaR
3 May 2010, 17:51
Oh no, not the vice crabtain!!
George Washington
3 May 2010, 17:54
Howlett to midfield. McVeigh to back pocket. Slattery to Tagger.
Howlett to midfield. McVeigh to back pocket. Slattery to Tagger.
I'm thinkin you're on the money.
Knight Ryders
3 May 2010, 17:59
Howlett, midfield, Hocking tagger and Houli to Dyson's role.
footyfanatic09
3 May 2010, 18:01
Not a big loss imo , have not been happy with him much this season .
Great to see fletch and hille cleared though as they are much more important .
Howlett to midfield. McVeigh to back pocket. Slattery to Tagger.
Bingo. :thumbsu:
Welsh should cop it on the chin and accept the 3. Totally ridiculous act, especially so far off the ball.
He was OK on the weekend but let's be realistic, he hasn't done a whole lot this year and it opens up an opportunity for the likes of Howlett, Houli etc who have been playing well for Bendigo...
quotemokc
3 May 2010, 18:20
Didnt Welsh knee someone in the nuts?
DonsRule
3 May 2010, 18:29
Didnt Welsh knee someone in the nuts?
Yep. I think he just needs to take his 3 and be done with it.
bipolarbeaR
3 May 2010, 18:32
Yeah, he just needs to take it, unless there are women on the MRP?
Darealrath
3 May 2010, 18:35
Great news on Hille and Fletch!
Zahasouvlakis
3 May 2010, 19:07
Howlett, midfield, Hocking tagger and Houli to Dyson's role.
Please no, he's been great in his role this season, no need to change it!
Valve Bounce
3 May 2010, 19:15
Yep. I think he just needs to take his 3 and be done with it.
Yeah! and he still has bragging rights over Hawthorn - he will be know as Nutcracker next time we meet Hawthorn.
DonsRule
3 May 2010, 19:17
Yeah! and he still has bragging rights over Hawthorn - he will be know as Nutcracker next time we meet Hawthorn.
lol, great call.
I think the penalty was a little on the higher end of what I expected. He played far better on the weekend, but I don't think many essendon supporters saw differently to him having a few weeks off.
First time I saw the incident I immediately thought 4, no surprise there.
As for Hille, the judiciary love him to bits he always seems to get off.
Fletcher's was nothing.
Very relieved Hille and Fletch got off. Structurally it would have really hurt if we lost them. At least we could have brought Laycock in for Hille which wouldn't have been too bad. But losing fletch would have meant either Hurley back and Neagle in, or maybe someone like Daniher in or perhaps Laycock in and Ryder down back??? Either way it wouldn't be good. Welsh won't be so difficult to replace, however with both him/dyson out for the immediate future our depth mids are drying up a rapid pace so that could be a concern.
Welsh also totally deserved his penalty for his plain stupid act. I wonder if perhaps Howlett could be played as a tagger. His defensive side of his game seems solid so he may actually be an option to directly take over Welsh's role for a few weeks.
TeamHurley
3 May 2010, 19:50
My only problem with this is that he didnt do it to brown.
easy change this week
houli->fullback
fletcher->full forward
hurley->midfield
sorted.
is it possible he may not get back into the side?
I mean if the young kids start ripping it up?
Wouldn't hurt him to have a few weeks off, has looked very tired on the field as of late. Howlett will be a more than handy inclusion this week, not sure ehy he was dropped in the first place.
is it possible he may not get back into the side?
I mean if the young kids start ripping it up?
Personally I think Welsh will be brought in despite how the kids are playing.
We don't have many senior players and on top of that Welsh is a Vice Captain.
I'm against senior players getting a free ride but that's reality I guess.
Howlett, midfield, Hocking tagger and Houli to Dyson's role.
Seems perfect.
My only problem with this is that he didnt do it to brown.
What would be the point? Brown has no nuts.
Vice crabtain!Yeah OK, we get it.
You think he's crab, sorry, I mean, crap.
So do I, but it gets a bit tiring reading it over and over, yeah?
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12. Andrew Welsh (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348873)
BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!
4 May 2010, 18:43
Howlett, midfield, Hocking tagger and Houli to Dyson's role.
:thumbsu:
Appeal failed. Out for Four. :thumbsd:
DapperDon
4 May 2010, 19:12
Not sure why they appealed it. Was a low act.
Not sure why they appealed it. Was a low act.
It was fairly inconclusive on the video whether he actually connected with the groin. Ellis sort of held his thigh. But really...
DapperDon
4 May 2010, 19:17
Inconclusive yes, but a man should never try to hit another man in the balls. It's an unwritten rule we all abide by.
Boucks09
4 May 2010, 19:20
Not sure why they appealed it. Was a low act.
I think he is really stiff not to have the charge downgraded to reckless. I don't think he actually meant to knee Ellis in the balls. The fact that he did is enough to warrant a 2 game ban, but I think that it was an instinctive reaction as he was surprised that Ellis was actually there. I.e. he moved the knee up to protect himself.
It's a pretty big blow as it means we need to move either Hocking or another player into the role of tagger, which buggers up our structures.
I wouldn't be against putting Bachar into the side and making him tag a player. Could teach him a thing or two.
appeal failed. Out for four. :thumbsu:
fyp.
bombersno1
4 May 2010, 23:00
How exactly did EFC think they would get that downgraded. I mean seriously!
The offence deserved a 2 week penalty - No way it was worse than Embley's hit on Palmer -B but it was a misguided decision to appeal to the tribunal.
Pevers-Legend
4 May 2010, 23:31
How exactly did EFC think they would get that downgraded. I mean seriously!
Scarlett got 1 week and he hurt they player far more than Welsh and was further from the play.
Thats why.
It's Welsh anyway - not concerned he is gone. He usually returns better anyway - more hungry.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 00:32
Scarlett got 1 week and he hurt they player far more than Welsh and was further from the play.
Thats why.
It's Welsh anyway - not concerned he is gone. He usually returns better anyway - more hungry.
Scarlett was with a lot less force and Scarlett got 2 reduced to 1 with a good record. I agree on the 2nd line, if anything it is better as Welsh has been gifted games for the last 12 months!
Heard on One that Welsh has never been suspended from a game. Was a shock to me.
Why wasn't he given 2 game option for his clean record
Bombers36
5 May 2010, 09:56
I actually think it might do Welsh some good. His performances this year have not been that great. Im not sure if this is because of a lack of ability, change in the role knights has given him, or not having his body right - or a combination of all of this. He also seems to me to have lost a bit of pace (not that he ever had lots!). I remeber him a few years back starting of the season bursting out of the middle and kicking goals and he was even attracting a tag then, now it seems he plays just a negative tagging role. As a vice captain of the club I'd expect more and maybe this is his chance to think about that, get his body perfect during the 4 weeks he is out, and come back and have a bigger impact in games and silence some of the doubters (including myself) that he should have been named vice captain.
reincarnated
5 May 2010, 13:34
Blessing in disguise if I ever seen one.
Though Welsh had a good last game, it will be great to get games in to Howlett or Houli.
Pevers-Legend
5 May 2010, 13:57
Scarlett was with a lot less force and Scarlett got 2 reduced to 1 with a good record. I agree on the 2nd line, if anything it is better as Welsh has been gifted games for the last 12 months!
a Hawks supporter begs to differ - this is from the MRP thread......
Welsh - 3 weeks.....yeah ok fair enoug, but FFS how did Scarlett get one then.
Scarlett is 30m away from the play and stationary, then runs into an open opponent raising the knee with enough force that Osborne spent the night in hospital, and for a while there where doubts on whether he would suffer "reduced function" :eek:
Welsh veers slightly to the left (maybe two steps), and makes contact more with the thigh than the groin. His target was sort of in the way (wasn't sheparding), and after a minute or two on the ground was able to play out the game.
Scarlett hit one of our toughest players, Welsh one of our most often injured.
Scarlett put a bloke in hospital, Welsh put him out for 2 minutes.
Scarlett was 30m off the ball, Welsh maybe 10m.
If it was a court of law, appeal, use precedent and he gets one. All I can think of is they charged him with striking, and Scarlett with rough conduct or some other bullshit.
Interesting on the a lot less force as you state - given the reactions of the players.
Both were dog acts and deserve to go for 2-4. Not arguing that - consistency isn't there though.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 16:38
Scarlett DID go for 2 weeks, reduced to 1 with a good record. Welsh went for 3, not the MRC fault they stupidly decided to challenge the ruling (which was 100% spot on). So in affect Welsh got 1 more and I don't see an issue, it was more intentional than Scarlett's. One of the first MRC decision's I agree with.
Blessing in disguise anyway, it is not as if we are losing Watson!
Pevers-Legend
5 May 2010, 17:37
Scarlett DID go for 2 weeks, reduced to 1 with a good record. Welsh went for 3, not the MRC fault they stupidly decided to challenge the ruling (which was 100% spot on). So in affect Welsh got 1 more and I don't see an issue, it was more intentional than Scarlett's. One of the first MRC decision's I agree with.
Blessing in disguise anyway, it is not as if we are losing Watson!
I realise he would have got 3 with the early plea - but that is still two more than Scarlett with his early plea and I can't see how Welsh's act was 2 weeks worse.
Do agree it provides an opportunity to improve our pace in the middle.
I just hope they actually try another player in the Welsh role and not just play f,another mid infront of the ball carrier. Personally I think Welsh is a crab, however he is one of the few mids to show any real defensive pressure.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 18:05
I realise he would have got 3 with the early plea - but that is still two more than Scarlett with his early plea and I can't see how Welsh's act was 2 weeks worse.
Do agree it provides an opportunity to improve our pace in the middle.
Scarlett was TWO WEEKS, reduced to one by pleading guilty. Welsh's was one week worse, and that is fair enough as it was deliberate and a very low act. We need to stop these grubby acts.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 18:06
I just hope they actually try another player in the Welsh role and not just play f,another mid infront of the ball carrier. Personally I think Welsh is a crab, however he is one of the few mids to show any real defensive pressure.
Hocking is a better version of Welsh with a bit more pace.
I don't like Hocking as a tagger, simply based on Ant's assessment that he isn't suited to playing as one.
I'd like to see him play alongside or rotating with Watson as a clearance midfielder.
One person I would've liked to have seen tag in Welsh's absence is Dyson, however he's obviously injured. I'd love to see Hank try his hand - again - at tagging, however for this week at least he'll probably be needed down back to play on one of Gray, Motlop or Ebert.
After this week, I'd like to see him play as the tagger, with his namesake taking his position as the "small" defender.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 18:33
Hocking deserves a chance to at least TRY to be one. Don't put him the best midfielder, but I would rather put him on Travis Boak who he would go with pace wise.
Skeeta Olly
5 May 2010, 18:38
Hocking isn't a tagger.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 18:43
Then I'd be happy to play Myers in that role. You need a tagger in the side.
Skeeta Olly
5 May 2010, 18:45
Myers got the pace or more importantly the aerobic capacity to be one?
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 19:01
Myers got the pace or more importantly the aerobic capacity to be one?
No idea, but he can't do worse than Welsh and to be honest he should be in the middle so lets try him there.
Skeeta Olly
5 May 2010, 19:03
Welsh had a decent game on the weekend IMO. Except for the knee-jerk reaction.
I'll get my coat.
Slattery as a tagger /thread kthxbai
Myers as a tagger **** me...?!!
A tagger needs the following:
Engine
Strong defensive actions
Focus
The desperate "i wont be beaten" atitude
Agression (all the best do)
Decent pace
Decent skills (ideally for some hurt factor)
Purley on the above Hocking looks to the best suited however he has never really shown much when given a job. I would try something different, maybe Houli....
Skeeta Olly
5 May 2010, 20:07
Who from Port do we need to tag?
Who from Port do we need to tag?
Pearce/Salopek
Skeeta Olly
5 May 2010, 21:34
Pearce/Salopek
Doesn't Salopek play off HBF? Pearce maybe, probably Boak is the biggest worry.
bombersno1
5 May 2010, 22:58
Doesn't Salopek play off HBF? Pearce maybe, probably Boak is the biggest worry.
Travis Boak or mine, I would rather someone go head to head with Pearce. Rodan would be a chance to be tagged as well if he gets on top.
Travis Boak or mine, I would rather someone go head to head with Pearce. Rodan would be a chance to be tagged as well if he gets on top.
Pearce is the most likely to be tagged because Port will get the ball into his hand at every opportunity.
Hocking has a more rounded game in 2010 - and has virtually been operating as a second tagger.
Ben the Gooner
6 May 2010, 09:24
Scarlett was TWO WEEKS, reduced to one by pleading guilty. Welsh's was one week worse, and that is fair enough as it was deliberate and a very low act. We need to stop these grubby acts.
Dear god.
If Scarlett was two weeks (ie before the early plea) then Welsh was four weeks. If Scarlett was one week (ie after the early plea) then Welsh was three weeks.
How you can argue what you have been defies all logic.
bombersno1
6 May 2010, 15:46
Dear god.
If Scarlett was two weeks (ie before the early plea) then Welsh was four weeks. If Scarlett was one week (ie after the early plea) then Welsh was three weeks.
How you can argue what you have been defies all logic.
Welsh was 3 weeks, he gambled and lost and was outed for 4. Scarlett was 2 before he got the 25% discount and then the further discount for the early plea. There was 1 week difference between the two. The base penalty for both cases was a 1 week difference
Ben the Gooner
6 May 2010, 15:58
Welsh was 3 weeks, he gambled and lost and was outed for 4. Scarlett was 2 before he got the 25% discount and then the further discount for the early plea. There was 1 week difference between the two. The base penalty for both cases was a 1 week difference
No..
InSafeHands
6 May 2010, 16:13
Welsh was 3 weeks, he gambled and lost and was outed for 4. Scarlett was 2 before he got the 25% discount and then the further discount for the early plea. There was 1 week difference between the two. The base penalty for both cases was a 1 week difference
You're a ****ing idiot.
Welsh's base was 4. He had the option of reducing it by 25%, failed, and went back to his base.
Scarlett's base was 2. He had the option of reducing it by 25% and took it.
Jesus ****ing Christ, how long has the rule been in play? You'd think you'd ****ing learn. Taking it to the tribunal never increases the penalty over the base.
Not a ****ing hard concept.:rolleyes: