View Full Version : review David Myers - Knights's Love Child
reincarnated
4 May 2010, 18:25
Lot of people have lot of different opinions about David Myers. I personally have lost hope. (But I have to say, I've never ever really warmed to him as a player from the start).
I was bemused why he got an extra year in the contract even before he played a game for us.
Now few of us believe he shouldn't get games in the AFL level, because he hasn't deserved it. I was listening to an interview from Knights today talking about players pushing for seletion with good games at Bendigo...
He left out Houli, but mentions Myers as a possible inclusion. It really pissed me off, because by all reports Houli was best on ground against Collingwood and played a solid game against Geelong. But Myers has had a couple of shockers in a row at that level.
So I ask you to put it on record to say, David Myers, which of these words in the poll best describes him. ie. Thoughts that come to your mind when you hear his name.
David Myers (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398185) in Player Watch (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=232)
commonwealth
4 May 2010, 18:29
One word 'Potential'
Skeeta Olly
4 May 2010, 18:45
Love Child? Isn't that Ricky D?
I thought it was Dempsey...
whats_at_stake
4 May 2010, 21:24
I do have to say, I think a major reason why he would get a game ahead of Houli is due to his draft pick number.
Potential is a great word, but I kinda agree and from what I have seen personally too Houli would smash it if he got the chance over Myers.
Sad to say I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement. Hasn't done anything special in the AFL games I've seen him in but as far as the "promise" or "potential" some people say when playing for Bendigo, well, I'll have to take their word for it.
Ludwig van Bertstare
4 May 2010, 22:23
Probably won't make it but I still have faith.
Why is everyone saying Houli will kill it? Every time he comes in he makes poor decisions and turns it over, maybe Houli is not a goof AFL player. Sick of hearing his potential more than Myers'.
One word 'Potential'
This. He had some great games for WA.
Here_we_come
4 May 2010, 22:44
He left out Houli, but mentions Myers as a possible inclusion. It really pissed me off, because by all reports Houli was best on ground against Collingwood and played a solid game against Geelong. But Myers has had a couple of shockers in a row at that level.
So I ask you to put it on record to say, David Myers, which of these words in the poll best describes him. ie. Thoughts that come to your mind when you hear his name.
David Myers (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398185) in Player Watch (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=232)
What reports are you referring to?
Houli wasn't even named in Bendigo's 6 best players on the efc website.
EDIT: My mistake, that was the Geelong game.
Jonesy1987
4 May 2010, 22:45
Why is everyone saying Houli will kill it? Every time he comes in he makes poor decisions and turns it over
Doesn't seem to stop half our midfielders getting games, why not Houli.
whats_at_stake
4 May 2010, 22:47
:confused: What reports are you referring to?
Houli wasn't even named in Bendigo's 6 best players on the efc website.
I do remember reading reports from people saying he played a very good game. I think quite simply Knights does not rate him even though he should.
He was stiff to be dropped for the Anzac game as it is.
Doesn't seem to stop half our midfielders getting games, why not Houli.
Why not anyone else then?
No one hospitalises their teammates more than Houli, would much rather Myers be given a go in the midfield, would rather Howlett even more so.
bombersno1
4 May 2010, 22:59
Potential elite inside midfielder. Still needs the tank to play midfield full time, when he does watch out.
Ben the Gooner
4 May 2010, 23:03
That's a ridiculous argument Jonesy. If something's not up to scratch, then they shouldn't be in the team. If it's the same for everyone else, it's irrelevant.
Dropping Welsh (for example) for turning it over then bringing Houli in to turn it over us silly.
donsman4eva
4 May 2010, 23:26
Unfortunately my selection of "Oh, another fumble" was unavailable....
I picked 'Another draft 6 curse'
I feel for the kid, I'm with the majority who thinks he is played out of position. We can all see what happens to young players who get played out of position (Jobe Watson) so we all need to keep the faith with the kid. He has some great attributes such as
- Great hands below the knees
- Great clearance work
- Booming kick
Most of his negatives I feel can be put down to poor decision making which I feel is due to stress to keep his spot in the side etc. Like we are doing with Gumbleton I would love us to take a risk and tell him 'you are having the next 5-10 games in the senior side, show us what you can do'
I bet we'll see him play a lot more better.
As Essendon members we should to support him.
I picked 'Another draft 6 curse'
I feel for the kid, I'm with the majority who thinks he is played out of position. We can all see what happens to young players who get played out of position (Jobe Watson) so we all need to keep the faith with the kid. He has some great attributes such as
- Great hands below the knees
- Great clearance work
- Booming kick
Most of his negatives I feel can be put down to poor decision making which I feel is due to stress to keep his spot in the side etc. Like we are doing with Gumbleton I would love us to take a risk and tell him 'you are having the next 5-10 games in the senior side, show us what you can do'
I bet we'll see him play a lot more better.
As Essendon members we should to support him.
Good post daffo:thumbsu:
I agree, give the kid a chance to prove himself. For the last few years he has played with the axe constantly hovering over his head, in for 1 or 2 weeks then straight back to Bendigo.
The guy won't feel like he belongs or start to grow in confidence until he is given a chance. He is playing for his spot each week, playing within himself, not taking the game on as he knows that any mistakes will most likely see him back in the maggoos.
Like daffo said, give him an extended run in the right position and see what the kid can do.
Fans were happy to have Gumby develop in the senior side.. why not Myers??
Maybe Welshy being out can provide that opportunity??
Also, playing Skipworth last year instead of developing this kid was a pretty shit long term decison by Knights..
Jonesy1987
5 May 2010, 14:01
That's a ridiculous argument Jonesy. If something's not up to scratch, then they shouldn't be in the team. If it's the same for everyone else, it's irrelevant.
Dropping Welsh (for example) for turning it over then bringing Houli in to turn it over us silly.
Yet we haven't dropped Welsh for it, Knights uses double standards.
The fact is our midfield is unable to keep up with the best out there, we need to make the hard choices dropping senior players for the good of the future.
The Donners
5 May 2010, 15:02
Yet we haven't dropped Welsh for it, Knights uses double standards.
The fact is our midfield is unable to keep up with the best out there, we need to make the hard choices dropping senior players for the good of the future.
Agreed.
I've said (nearly all along), Knights has his favourites... OR he can't make the tough decisions. Dropping Prismall isn't a tough decision, he's hardly a Dons' fan-favourite (at least not around this board! :D).
Ben the Gooner
5 May 2010, 15:11
Yet we haven't dropped Welsh for it, Knights uses double standards.
The fact is our midfield is unable to keep up with the best out there, we need to make the hard choices dropping senior players for the good of the future.
The debate isn't whether we should drop (or have dropped) Welsh. That's irrelevant.
To justify Houli's potential inclusion based on other players sharing his flaws is ridiculous.
Ben the Gooner
5 May 2010, 15:12
As for the OP, I didn't vote, because my opinion falls in the middle of them all.
He's not great, he's not terrible.
Jonesy1987
5 May 2010, 15:19
To justify Houli's potential inclusion based on other players sharing his flaws is ridiculous.
It not a question of his inclusion, its a question of his exclusion. His strengths speak for themselves, good footskills, pace, and fitness. Yet you try to exclude him based on a poor trait that many share. Hardly logical.
The Great Barry Besanko
5 May 2010, 15:27
Only a 3rd year player and his 2nd year was interrupted by injury. Just got to be more patient with some players. Look at Winderlich.
Impatience of some supporters is simply ridiculous.
Ben the Gooner
5 May 2010, 16:56
It not a question of his inclusion, its a question of his exclusion. His strengths speak for themselves, good footskills, pace, and fitness. Yet you try to exclude him based on a poor trait that many share. Hardly logical.
His decision making is pretty poor. His hopital handballs cost us goals and will get someone injured one day.
There's two traits which aren't shared by the entire team.
Jonesy1987
5 May 2010, 17:04
His decision making is pretty poor. His hopital handballs cost us goals and will get someone injured one day.
There's two traits which aren't shared by the entire team.
His decision making by foot is fine, he is never going to adjust to the pace of the game if we don't give him game time. His hospital handballs are pretty bad, but it costs us no less than Prismall not chasing an opponent or Stanton refusing to shepherd or NLM turning the ball over or Zaharakis missing a gettable goal. We are a very flawed side and to single out one player is extremely unfair.
The Donners
5 May 2010, 17:16
His decision making is pretty poor. His hopital handballs cost us goals and will get someone injured one day.
There's two traits which aren't shared by the entire team.
I think Houli's soft but at the same time, unless he strings games together he's never going to settle into top flight. That's the only way we'll find out if he's cut out for it, imho.
Seems to be a bit of a pattern for which I criticised Sheedy during his later years: playing kids for one or two games, often out of position, then dropping them again. After an initial stage, this offers little benefit.
Knights needs so start learning from these mistakes before it's too late; before Houli ends up at Sydney or GWS and becomes a player, or before Myers is delisted without even being played in position for a period of time.
It's simple to me: play Houli on the wing or HFF for 5 games, and watch him consolidate a spot in our side. Give Myers until the end of next year, but play him in the midfield 100% of the time at Bendigo. When he inevitably gets in the best week after week - as he did towards the end of last year - promote him, and keep him in the midfield for 4 or 5 games.
Especially if this season ends up being a failure, in that we aren't going to make the finals, there is no excuse.
We'll die wondering if this isn't addressed soon.
People need to wipe the shit out of their eyes, he is an absolute bust. Knights wanted a run and carry halfback with great skills to help him instill his gameplan at EFC - they obviously felt this kid was the right guy. From what we all understand he played this postion well in the U 18s. Looking at him over the last 3 years its incredible to believe, he is so slow, shows no defensive pressure and his disposal and decision making is very 'choppy'.
We are a side desperate for heroes, so when we have pick 6 we close our eyes and wish them to be great, but Myers is living proof that the draft is still a lottery. For those who believe he is an inside midfielder just waiting for his chance to shine you are also delusional. If Knights thought he was an insider and was developing him that way why on earth does he spend most of his time on the HBF - proof he still believes he can be the player he wanted to draft.
This kid has shown 0 and if some fool digs up that utube clip of him kicking long to Lloyd in 08 I'll throw up in my mouth, even jason daniels hit a target from time to time. The quicker we move on the better.
Daytripper
5 May 2010, 20:22
Pick 6 curse and slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww as treacle.
Jimmy_the_Gent
6 May 2010, 01:15
I haven't seen Myers play since he was a junior and maybe an odd AFL game that I can't recall, so can anyone tell me what kind of player he is now?
What are his skills like?
Is he slow?
Fumbles a lot?
Is he good as an inside mid?
What are his chances of being at Essendon next year?
FandangoDingo
6 May 2010, 01:49
Only a 3rd year player and his 2nd year was interrupted by injury. Just got to be more patient with some players. Look at Winderlich.
Impatience of some supporters is simply ridiculous.
Agreed.
Seems to be a bit of a pattern for which I criticised Sheedy during his later years: playing kids for one or two games, often out of position, then dropping them again. After an initial stage, this offers little benefit.
Knights needs so start learning from these mistakes before it's too late; before Houli ends up at Sydney or GWS and becomes a player, or before Myers is delisted without even being played in position for a period of time.
It's simple to me: play Houli on the wing or HFF for 5 games, and watch him consolidate a spot in our side. Give Myers until the end of next year, but play him in the midfield 100% of the time at Bendigo. When he inevitably gets in the best week after week - as he did towards the end of last year - promote him, and keep him in the midfield for 4 or 5 games.
Especially if this season ends up being a failure, in that we aren't going to make the finals, there is no excuse.
We'll die wondering if this isn't addressed soon.
Agreed.
It is getting to the stage now where people want him to fail.
Knights and the club are behind Myers. There is no chance he wont play for us next year.
bomberstomake8
6 May 2010, 09:41
Personally I would like to see Myers come in this week and given a few weeks as other posters have suggested. IMO Myers has not played a bad game at afl level or at least not many of them. His games at afl level have just been ok. However as a result of that he has typically been dropped the next week. I would like to see him come in and play welsh's or dysons role. Give the kid some AFL exposure.
Either Welsh's role who is a tagger but goes after the ball in his own right or dyson sweeping off half back and using his long left foot kick. But most importantly dont drop him unless he plays an awful game which i havent seen from him thus far.
Sin City
6 May 2010, 12:08
Persist with him just like Carlton did with Jordan Russell.
TheDon35
6 May 2010, 14:16
Seems to be a bit of a pattern for which I criticised Sheedy during his later years: playing kids for one or two games, often out of position, then dropping them again. After an initial stage, this offers little benefit.
Knights needs so start learning from these mistakes before it's too late; before Houli ends up at Sydney or GWS and becomes a player, or before Myers is delisted without even being played in position for a period of time.
It's simple to me: play Houli on the wing or HFF for 5 games, and watch him consolidate a spot in our side. Give Myers until the end of next year, but play him in the midfield 100% of the time at Bendigo. When he inevitably gets in the best week after week - as he did towards the end of last year - promote him, and keep him in the midfield for 4 or 5 games.
Especially if this season ends up being a failure, in that we aren't going to make the finals, there is no excuse.
We'll die wondering if this isn't addressed soon.
Couldn't agree more. A point made more valid based on how poor many of our experienced players have been this year (Last week as an exception).
Also, he's committed to Gumby and I've got no doubt, baring injury, gumby will be a better player and the team will be better for him having a consistant run at it.
TheDon35
6 May 2010, 14:20
I don't get this thread.
What's he played, 10 - 15 games. He's played 1 game this year. How does that make him a love child?
He's barely 2 years into his career. He's in my view been played out of position on an inconsistent basis, he's had injuries and has been touted as an elite prospect.
Somehow he's a love child because gets mentioned as pushing for selection. Are you serious?
Give Myers time he will be ok in the long run...actually how many WA players do you guys have?
Gumby, williams, ryder, howlett, myers, colyer, pears...who am i missing?
donsman4eva
6 May 2010, 22:59
Reimers, Jetta
Persist with him just like Carlton did with Jordan Russell.
Hahahaha. Good one.
Myers hasn't shown a lot so far at senior level but any suggestions of delisting him are way over the top and premature. Firstly he is at least showing good form at Bendigo if nothing else. Secondly as just a third year player, he still has time on his side. Also if he ever finds confidence and form at senior level i wouldn't be surprised if he found an extra yard of pace, much like someone like Watson has. Don't get me wrong he won't turn into Colyer, but he will be able to at least make the grade. I don't know if he will make it or not but he deserves another couple of years to show what he's got, this is especially true when you compare him to the likes of Houli/Jetta/Lonnergan who all have their various fans and haters, who have all been in the system longer than him and not cemented their spots in the 22 either.
whats_at_stake
7 May 2010, 10:52
I have no issues with Myers himself, what I do have an issue with is him getting games ahead of for example Houli who have been working hard in the 2's but do not have the "first round draft pick tag" on them.
If injuries are a reason- surely Houli deserves his go equally for Myers. He has been injured massively over the past three years (and has in the past played well for Essendon).
All I am saying is let Myers dominate for Bendigo for three or four weeks consistently before bringing him in to the senior team.
Sin City
7 May 2010, 10:59
Hahahaha. Good one.
Why?
TheDon35
7 May 2010, 12:43
I have no issues with Myers himself, what I do have an issue with is him getting games ahead of for example Houli who have been working hard in the 2's but do not have the "first round draft pick tag" on them.
If injuries are a reason- surely Houli deserves his go equally for Myers. He has been injured massively over the past three years (and has in the past played well for Essendon).
All I am saying is let Myers dominate for Bendigo for three or four weeks consistently before bringing him in to the senior team.
I really don't get the arguement. Myers has played one game, Houli has played 2. They both played poorly in their games but that doesn't really mean anything.
When you try to put together a side that will challenge for a flag, if you simply pick the senior side based on who was the best in the two's, it's going to be a long road. It's more about identifying the players who you think will develop and giving them as much chance as possible to become the players you want them to be. The don't necessarily need to be dominating at VFL level every week.
Scott Gumbleton doesn't deserve a game on VFL form nor his form over the first 4 weeks. But it's the right thing that they are persisting with him.
On the flip side, a bloke like Skipworth who consistently racks up 30 + touches at VFL level is a complete waste of time at senior level.
Focus needs to be on developing a premiership side. It's not a black and white decision.
whats_at_stake
7 May 2010, 14:14
I really don't get the arguement. Myers has played one game, Houli has played 2. They both played poorly in their games but that doesn't really mean anything.
When you try to put together a side that will challenge for a flag, if you simply pick the senior side based on who was the best in the two's, it's going to be a long road. It's more about identifying the players who you think will develop and giving them as much chance as possible to become the players you want them to be. The don't necessarily need to be dominating at VFL level every week.
Scott Gumbleton doesn't deserve a game on VFL form nor his form over the first 4 weeks. But it's the right thing that they are persisting with him.
On the flip side, a bloke like Skipworth who consistently racks up 30 + touches at VFL level is a complete waste of time at senior level.
Focus needs to be on developing a premiership side. It's not a black and white decision.
Well personally i felt Houli played a good game and was unlucky to be dropped and I think he could be a great player for us.
I can understand your point of view on Gumbleton- however the difference is he is a KPP. For me it is okay to develop KPP's, rucks etc. by giving them gametime in the 1's as quite frankly we need to so they can become better players and influence the outcome of games.
With Myers, he is essentially competing for either a midfield spot (where I think he should play) or a sort of half back flank spot. With both these positions we have plenty of players worthy of opportunities (less so with half back though).
I just do not think he should get an extended run in the seniors at the expense of another player who has worked hard to get in the team when we have players who can cover for him or at least provide the same level of output.
If he is the gun player people seem to think he is he should do very well in Bendigo and should do well in the NAB cub. Let him dominate, then let him play.
It's simple to me: give Myers until the end of next year, but play him in the midfield 100% of the time at Bendigo. When he inevitably gets in the best week after week - as he did towards the end of last year - promote him, and keep him in the midfield for 4 or 5 games.Bump.
Would be interesting to see some people's opinions now.
He hasn't set the world on fire, but he's easily been worthy of a spot in our side.
For the record, I voted:
Great potential inside midfielder - Vindicated.
Slow and non-agile - Seems to have improved with confidence. Wrong.
No.6 draft pick curse - Eh.
Trade Baite - And he is, even more so now. Wouldn't think we'd get anything worth trading him for, though. Unless it was for an upgrade (Boak), won't happen.
Non - deserving games - He wasn't deserving, but he's rewarded the selection committee this year. :thumbsu:
Ben the Gooner
7 Jun 2010, 11:50
I didn't vote.:cool:
Slattery_20
7 Jun 2010, 11:54
When you try to put together a side that will challenge for a flag, if you simply pick the senior side based on who was the best in the two's, it's going to be a long road. It's more about identifying the players who you think will develop and giving them as much chance as possible to become the players you want them to be. The don't necessarily need to be dominating at VFL level every week.
Correct weight.
Funny how he was slow, "non-agile", soft etc when he was playing off one leg and a succession of minor groin and hammie niggles.
Lance Uppercut
7 Jun 2010, 13:13
good bump!
I voted: Great potential inside midfielder.
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Skeeta Olly
7 Jun 2010, 14:18
- Great potential inside midfielder
- Great leader of men
- Future Captain
- Great Kick
- Future Brownlow medalist
Boucks09
7 Jun 2010, 16:48
- Elite KP Defender :D
Ben the Gooner
7 Jun 2010, 17:11
- Elite KP Defender :D
Haha.:thumbsu: