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Daytripper
9 May 2010, 07:17
Being a bit of a punter, I like to take a look at teams form lines to see where they're at.
Now if we look at Essendon the team isn't going as bad as everyone thinks.
Lost to : Geelong, Freo, WCE, Coll & Port.
Of those teams, 3 are currently the hottest teams in the comp (Geel, Freo & Coll) whilst Port isn't too far away from them either.
WCE a bad loss but putting it in perspective we have never played well in WA anyway.
Beaten Carlton & Hawthorn.
I do think Carlton are a better side than us but we just ended up playing not as bad as they did that night. We are a better side than Hawthorn and we won accordingly.
I still think we are amongst the pack with Nth, Melbourne, Brisbane and fractionally behind Carlton. Think we are just ahead of West Coast who will get better as the year goes on.
Don't believe any of those teams are that far off St Kilda and Bulldogs who are both out of form at the moment for a variety of reasons.
And we are above Adelaide, Hawthorn & Richmond
So realistically games against Collingwood, Geelong & Fremantle are all about 20/80 propositions.
Games against Port, St Kilda, Sydney & Bulldogs are about 35/65.
Games against Brisbane, Nth, Melbourne and Carlton are all 50/50.
Against West Coast we are 60/40
And the rest we are 75/25.
Plus or minus 10% when playing interstate team home or away.
The Donners
9 May 2010, 09:25
Freo and Port have leapfrogged us in terms of development and WCE have an equal number of wins as us. Sorry DT, I'm not buying.
Freo and Port have leapfrogged us in terms of development and WCE have an equal number of wins as us. Sorry DT, I'm not buying.
That's what annoys me the most. Others sides like Port and Freo jump from bad to great, yet we have been hanging in the bottom 8 since 05 (10 wins last yr hardly counts) and I am sick of it. We are not travelling 'not that bad' because last year we would have challenged these top sides ie; Geelong, Fremantle, Collingwood even a little at least but ended up lying down and letting them run away with big wins.
I need to see us get at least 10 points close to St Kilda next week before I admit we aren't travelling bad.
Freo and Port have leapfrogged us in terms of development and WCE have an equal number of wins as us. Sorry DT, I'm not buying.
Both of those sides have far better seniorish players than we do.
WeAreEssendon
9 May 2010, 10:01
Very optimistic there My Daytripper.
I'd say Richmond and WC are 80-20 and every other game we'll do best to get to 50-50.
Melbourne look to be playing good footy and seem to have gone passed us. North are in a similar boat.
By the time we get to a good run fixture wise we'll be so demoralised that form will be irrelevant.
Lance Uppercut
9 May 2010, 10:40
I actually agree. We're starting to play some better footy. We won every ****ing stat that matters yesterday, bar the one that counts
This thread would have some vailidity if we had beaten WC. We don't play well at Subiaco isn't an excuse. They are a bad side this year and Nic-Nat hasn't played a good game since!!!
Well 'Tripper did say "excluding the WC" game...
Anyway, I thought we controlled the game for pretty much 90% of the time and our wastefulness during the 3rd quarter really destroyed us.
We should've been at least 4-5 goals up at 3/4 time and that would've been the game.
This loss is purely based on our wastefulness and crucial errors in the forward half of the ground during the third quarter.
Well 'Tripper did say "excluding the WC" game...
Anyway, I thought we controlled the game for pretty much 90% of the time and our wastefulness during the 3rd quarter really destroyed us.
We should've been at least 4-5 goals up at 3/4 time and that would've been the game.
This loss is purely based on our wastefulness and crucial errors in the forward half of the ground during the third quarter.
Ok then, excluding the teams we should be beating our form line isn't that bad. :rolleyes:
Valve Bounce
9 May 2010, 11:14
Ok then, excluding the teams we should be beating our form line isn't that bad. :rolleyes:
Shoulda, woulda, hadda, but got clobbered instead.
It all comes down to disposals - and our kicking and handball sometimes descended into the school kids stuff. If anyone wanted to watch the replay, you will be able to pick at least half a dozen bad handballs and/or kicks and or play-on decisions that cost us goals. (OK! I'm being kind here because there were more than half a dozen). Did anyone see how Pierce disposed of the ball, - his kicks killed us. And that bugger Ebert? his shots for goal ....................... :eek:
Our guys need to go right back to basics.
TeamHurley
9 May 2010, 11:23
Would have helped if port didnt kick 15.2 up to 3 quarter time.
Great time to play the saints and the bulldogs as they are struggling a bit.
As has already been said, its the fact that Fremantle and Port Adelaide have become those upper echleon clubs that really hurts. We've been shit (yes including last year) for 5 years while both of those 2 clubs have been top 4 finishes as recent as 2006 and 2007.
Daytripper
9 May 2010, 12:03
I actually picked Freo and Port to be the big improvers in 2010. They are both well coached and have good, young talent mixed in with a blend of solid experienced players. Plus, they have the added benefit of being a non Victorian team so they get a home game every fortnight where they automatically have an advantge.
We need to forget where teams finished in 2009 and concentrate on the here and now. Measure our success based on how teams are cuurrently playing not on how you 'think' they should be playing.
St Kilda are gettable next week. A realistic expectation is either a win or a loss in the 15 point range. If we win, lets not get carried away with ourselves. If we lose a close one, then we are basically playing 'par' footy.
If we get belted, then we can start wailing and screaming.
Keep the expectations realistic.
Daytripper
9 May 2010, 12:10
Freo and Port have leapfrogged us in terms of development and WCE have an equal number of wins as us. Sorry DT, I'm not buying.
Donners, you need to look at which teams sides have played instead of looking at the pure win and loss table.
WCE played Hawthorn at home which you basically just mark down as win for them whilst we were a 50/50 proposition in Rd 4 due to the home ground advantage. Thats their 2 wins right there.
fishguts
9 May 2010, 12:16
We'll beat St Kilda.
Valve Bounce
9 May 2010, 14:46
We'll beat St Kilda.
Ya promise!!:o
DT, you are selling a dream.. Go join the Rudd dream team cause I ain't buying it!
So our form line isn't that bad because we've only been beaten by teams that are better than us or teams that have developed faster than us? Uh huh.. I see.
Seriously.. we are 2-5.. we are bottom four and will finish bottom 4 again for the 4/5th time in 6 years.. shocking.
Melbourne has taken it up to the pies and now dogs and still sit above us on the ladder. North has shown more than us against opposition around their level. Freo are well beyond us. Sydney in the distance. Brisbane will maul us. Luckily Carlscum are our bitches because they will beat plenty of teams we can't and are in front of us.
So we have the pleasure of being better than Richmond and Adelaide and probably on par with West Coast... yep form line isn't that bad.
Our form is bad but we still play:
Richmond(MCG)
Hawthorn(MCG)
Adelaide(AAMI)
Melbourne(MCG)
West Coast(Etihad)
North Melb(Etihad)
Carlton(MCG)
Brisbane(Etihad)
We should be winning at least 7 of those, and if we can cause a few upsets we can make the finals.
TheDon35
9 May 2010, 15:42
This is one of the more rediculous threads.
We were incipid against both West Coast and Collingwood. We stunk against Freo. Though we were competitive yesterday, we were ordinary and lacked any cohesion. Our 2 wins have come against a couple of sides who on the night would say they couldn't have played any worse.
Our form line is very very very average.
This is one of the more rediculous threads.
We were incipid against both West Coast and Collingwood. We stunk against Freo. Though we were competitive yesterday, we were ordinary and lacked any cohesion. Our 2 wins have come against a couple of sides who on the night would say they couldn't have played any worse.
Our form line is very very very average.
What our opposition having kicking efficiency below 60% and over 35 turn overs can't be expected every week? SHOCKING!!
You sir are spot on!! very very very very very very average :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Valve Bounce
9 May 2010, 16:06
Our form is bad but we still play:
Richmond(MCG)
Hawthorn(MCG)
Adelaide(AAMI)
Melbourne(MCG)
West Coast(Etihad)
North Melb(Etihad)
Carlton(MCG)
Brisbane(Etihad)
We should be winning at least 7 of those, and if we can cause a few upsets we can make the finals.
Ah! I knew there was a reason for me to be happy. I feel better now.
How about if I turned around and changed the OP to:
Since the debacle that was ANZAC Day - our form hasn't been that bad.
I think the most positive thing to come out of yesterday was the fact that we put in two good performances in a row - something that's been lost amongst the wave of mass disappointment at yesterday's heartbreaking loss.
Both of those sides have far better seniorish players than we do.
A voice of reason - Look at Fremantle's senior players
-Pavlich
- Tarrant
- Sandilands
- McPharland
- Hayden
- Mundy
- Hasleby
Compare that to Essendon's senior group in quality and on current form.
DT, you are selling a dream.. Go join the Rudd dream team cause I ain't buying it!
So our form line isn't that bad because we've only been beaten by teams that are better than us or teams that have developed faster than us? Uh huh.. I see.
Seriously.. we are 2-5.. we are bottom four and will finish bottom 4 again for the 4/5th time in 6 years.. shocking.
Melbourne has taken it up to the pies and now dogs and still sit above us on the ladder. North has shown more than us against opposition around their level. Freo are well beyond us. Sydney in the distance. Brisbane will maul us. Luckily Carlscum are our bitches because they will beat plenty of teams we can't and are in front of us.
So we have the pleasure of being better than Richmond and Adelaide and probably on par with West Coast... yep form line isn't that bad.
I thought the Dream team was
- Williams
- Hird
- Lloyd
- Burns
- Wellman
Call Me Cake
9 May 2010, 18:28
Freo and Port have leapfrogged us in terms of development.
As has already been said, its the fact that Fremantle and Port Adelaide have become those upper echleon clubs that really hurts. We've been shit (yes including last year) for 5 years while both of those 2 clubs have been top 4 finishes as recent as 2006 and 2007.
Freo haven't won a thing since their inception, so for as they long as they've been waiting, they were bound to catch a break sooner or later.
And while Port have the basic fundamentals of being a good team in the near future, I'm still not entirely sold on them yet. I don't think their win/loss ratio truly represents where they are in terms of development atm... when looking at their draw.
With that said, hopefully after our 'drought', we actually make top 4 count. Unlike Freo and Port in 2006 and 2007.
Ben the Gooner
9 May 2010, 18:41
Seriously.. we are 2-5.. we are bottom four and will finish bottom 4 again for the 4/5th time in 6 years.. shocking.
2010 - ???
2009 - 8th
2008 - 12th
2007 - 12th
2006 - 15th
2005 - 13th
Not seeing it.
What our opposition having kicking efficiency below 60% and over 35 turn overs can't be expected every week? SHOCKING!!
You sir are spot on!! very very very very very very average :thumbsu::thumbsu:
Definitely not related to 100+ tackles each week.
Definitely not.
stay true
9 May 2010, 18:49
I had a look at our remaining fixture and concluded that we'll win about 7-9 games and finish between 10th and 13th.
Well we've played well 2 matches in a row, whether we can keep it up remains to be seen.
As other have pointed out, we don't have enough senior players to carry us, Hille is low on form, Fletch is Fletch........that's about it, McVeigh is only now looking better while these other teams we "should" be better against have 5-6names playing well (as well as solid leadership groups, we have Welsh as VC), as well as AA's like Pavlich, we have 2 elite players, Watson, who only just reached 100 games, and Fletch, who is 35.
Unfortunatly we are going to have to wait until Hurley, Gumbleton, Hooker, Pears, Zaharakis, Melksham, Prismall, Myers, Colyer reach 50-70 and hopefully by then Watson will have help in the leadership group.
Daytripper
9 May 2010, 20:35
DT, you are selling a dream.. Go join the Rudd dream team cause I ain't buying it!
So our form line isn't that bad because we've only been beaten by teams that are better than us or teams that have developed faster than us? Uh huh.. I see.
Seriously.. we are 2-5.. we are bottom four and will finish bottom 4 again for the 4/5th time in 6 years.. shocking.
Melbourne has taken it up to the pies and now dogs and still sit above us on the ladder. North has shown more than us against opposition around their level. Freo are well beyond us. Sydney in the distance. Brisbane will maul us. Luckily Carlscum are our bitches because they will beat plenty of teams we can't and are in front of us.
So we have the pleasure of being better than Richmond and Adelaide and probably on par with West Coast... yep form line isn't that bad.
We are better than Hawthorn. Clearly.
Nth got slaughtered by Collingwood & St Kilda.
Melbourne got beaten by Nth Melbourne.
Melbourne beat Brisbane.
All those sides (and us) are basically doing dances around each other.
Brisbane are no good. Their form is terrible when you look at it. They have beaten West Coast at home, Carlton at home and Bulldogs at home. Bulldogs are travelling badly at the moment as evident by their last gasp victory against Mellbourne the othher night.
Fremantle are a good side as I have already stated. No shame in getting beaten by them. As are Port.
The problem is people have this misconception based around what they thought pre season.
Daytripper
9 May 2010, 20:37
How about if I turned around and changed the OP to:
Since the debacle that was ANZAC Day - our form hasn't been that bad.
I think the most positive thing to come out of yesterday was the fact that we put in two good performances in a row - something that's been lost amongst the wave of mass disappointment at yesterday's heartbreaking loss.
How about we give some due recognition to Cwood.
They have since beaten Carlton and Nth by more or less the same margin since Anzac Day.
They just might be a very good side......
james_omahoney
9 May 2010, 20:44
Nobody tried to take anything away from Collingwood. I don't think it's the margin that people criticised, but more the lacklustre effort of Anzac Day that was the debacle.
The problem is people have this misconception based around what they thought pre season.
Excellent point.
How about we give some due recognition to Cwood.
They have since beaten Carlton and Nth by more or less the same margin since Anzac Day.
They just might be a very good side......
See the below response
Nobody tried to take anything away from Collingwood. I don't think it's the margin that people criticised, but more the lacklustre effort of Anzac Day that was the debacle.
Earlier this season we seemed flat, lucklustre and lacking in confidence and endeavour. I can at least find some solace in the fact that our efforts have been up in the past couple of weeks and we now lead the league in average tackles on the back of those 2 performances. Here's hoping that we can maintain some stability in the oncoming rounds, give our mids and forwards a bit more time to gel so that we can establish more scoreboard pressure.
I've got a feeling that we will beat the Saints. No evidence, really, just a feeling. More worried about Richmond, actually.
Knight Ryders
9 May 2010, 23:34
Well we've played well 2 matches in a row, whether we can keep it up remains to be seen.
As other have pointed out, we don't have enough senior players to carry us, Hille is low on form, Fletch is Fletch........that's about it, McVeigh is only now looking better while these other teams we "should" be better against have 5-6names playing well (as well as solid leadership groups, we have Welsh as VC), as well as AA's like Pavlich, we have 2 elite players, Watson, who only just reached 100 games, and Fletch, who is 35.
Unfortunatly we are going to have to wait until Hurley, Gumbleton, Hooker, Pears, Zaharakis, Melksham, Prismall, Myers, Colyer reach 50-70 and hopefully by then Watson will have help in the leadership group.
Hit the nail on the head. Hille good around the ground, but diabolical in the ruck atm.
Hit the nail on the head. Hille good around the ground, but diabolical in the ruck atm.
I was suprised to see that he has the 2nd highest average DT points out of the all ruckmen in the league.
I know that doesn't mean much, but considering his form has been average, it's kinda interesting.
Well we've played well 2 matches in a row, whether we can keep it up remains to be seen.
As other have pointed out, we don't have enough senior players to carry us, Hille is low on form, Fletch is Fletch........that's about it, McVeigh is only now looking better while these other teams we "should" be better against have 5-6names playing well (as well as solid leadership groups, we have Welsh as VC), as well as AA's like Pavlich, we have 2 elite players, Watson, who only just reached 100 games, and Fletch, who is 35.
Unfortunatly we are going to have to wait until Hurley, Gumbleton, Hooker, Pears, Zaharakis, Melksham, Prismall, Myers, Colyer reach 50-70 and hopefully by then Watson will have help in the leadership group.
Another voice of reason.
How about we give some due recognition to Cwood.
They have since beaten Carlton and Nth by more or less the same margin since Anzac Day.
They just might be a very good side......
Dont be silly :)
You cant give another team credit on this board.
Nobody tried to take anything away from Collingwood. I don't think it's the margin that people criticised, but more the lacklustre effort of Anzac Day that was the debacle.
So that means that North Carlton and Hawthorn also provided a lucklustre effort.
After all, Collingwood defeated each team by similar margins.
I was suprised to see that he has the 2nd highest average DT points out of the all ruckmen in the league.
I know that doesn't mean much, but considering his form has been average, it's kinda interesting.
And its not for taps - he doesnt get many.
So that means that North Carlton and Hawthorn also provided a lucklustre effort.
After all, Collingwood defeated each team by similar margins.Do you honestly see things as that black and white?
Do you not agree that we were as good as witches hats for most of the ANZAC Day clash?
Ludwig van Bertstare
10 May 2010, 01:00
ANZAC Day was so bad I stopped watching after quarter time. First time I have ever done that.
I can't believe how many of you are so happy to accept mediocrity. Just astonishing.. you sound like Hawthorn supporters.. "don't write us off.."
"its just a little slimy, its still good, its still good." or no "its just a little airborne but its still goooood"
No.. just let it go.
We seriously stink atm. We can dominate possession and tackle counts and hard ball gets and loose ball gets and number of high fives we can do in a row.. Sport is measured in wins and losses. And at that we are failing.
Sorry BTG.. I correct my earlier statement.. 5 bottom 5 finishes in 6 years.. ouch!
ANZAC Day was so bad I stopped watching after quarter time. First time I have ever done that.
So how can you pass comment on how poorly Essendon :)played and how well Collingwood played.
Ludwig van Bertstare
10 May 2010, 01:04
So how can you pass comment on how poorly Essendon :)played and how well Collingwood played.
I watched the replay.
Do you honestly see things as that black and white?
Do you not agree that we were as good as witches hats for most of the ANZAC Day clash?
I like your pun :thumbsu:
I am being sarcastic like some other posters.
You usually only play as well as the opposition allow - By my reckoning - Collingwood is clearly the best side we have played in 2010.
I watched the replay.
So why say that you only watched the first quarter - Makes it challenging to have a discusion when you change your mind.:)
Ludwig van Bertstare
10 May 2010, 01:21
So why say that you only watched the first quarter - Makes it challenging to have a discusion when you change your mind.:)
Sorry, I meant I only watched the first quarter when it was broadcasted live.
I always watch replays later in the week.
I like your pun :thumbsu:Wasn't on purpose. :oYou usually only play as well as the opposition allow - By my reckoning - Collingwood is clearly the best side we have played in 2010.Agree with you on the last part, but despite being a level or two (or three) below them, our efforts were simply non-existent.
They were really good, and made us look really bad, but we made ourselves look even worse. Richmond might've beaten us that day.
Wasn't on purpose. :oAgree with you on the last part, but despite being a level or two (or three) below them, our efforts were simply non-existent.
They were really good, and made us look really bad, but we made ourselves look even worse. Richmond might've beaten us that day.
Whomb
Re-think your last sentence.
Yacco.
We were bloody atrocious on ANZAC Day. All it would take would've been one good quarter from the Tigers (as it did with Collingwood in the 1st, and they've had this, believe it or not, against Freo) to knock us out.
Yacco.
We were bloody atrocious on ANZAC Day. All it would take would've been one good quarter from the Tigers (as it did with Collingwood in the 1st, and they've had this, believe it or not, against Freo) to knock us out.
You are being generous to Richmond.:)
TheDon35
10 May 2010, 06:47
Our form is bad but we still play:
Richmond(MCG)
Hawthorn(MCG)
Adelaide(AAMI)
Melbourne(MCG)
West Coast(Etihad)
North Melb(Etihad)
Carlton(MCG)
Brisbane(Etihad)
We should be winning at least 7 of those, and if we can cause a few upsets we can make the finals.
On form, i'd expect us to loose to Melbourne, North and Brisbane. Win against Hawthorn, Adelaide & Richmond. Toss of the coin against Carlton and West Coast.
You're being very optimistic... on current form.
Slattery_20
10 May 2010, 07:43
About 10th, maybe a touch higher. Freo loss looking better by the week.
rhysman
10 May 2010, 09:41
Donners, you need to look at which teams sides have played instead of looking at the pure win and loss table.
WCE played Hawthorn at home which you basically just mark down as win for them whilst we were a 50/50 proposition in Rd 4 due to the home ground advantage. Thats their 2 wins right there.
I dont know which planet you are living on but the last time I checked, win/loss ratio was the only thing that determined whether you made the finals. By any measure 2-5 is terrible. If you want to look at it on a game by game basis: Geelong we were OK for 3/4 then had another avalance of goals scored against us, Freo: were terrible and yet another avalanche of successive goals against us, Carlton: were still terrible but they were worse, West Coast: I think Knights called it atrocious and we were flattered by 23 point margin, Collingwood: absolutely diabolical, Hawthorn: OK but they are comparable to Richmond right now, Port: pretty good but let agame we should have won slip due to poor decisions. It will most probabaly be 2-6 after this week and I just cant see any positive in that scoreline. At this rate we are on target to win a maximum of 8 games this season.
Daytripper
10 May 2010, 09:49
I dont know which planet you are living on but the last time I checked, win/loss ratio was the only thing that determined whether you made the finals. By any measure 2-5 is terrible. If you want to look at it on a game by game basis: Geelong we were OK for 3/4 then had another avalance of goals scored against us, Freo: were terrible and yet another avalanche of successive goals against us, Carlton: were still terrible but they were worse, West Coast: I think Knights called it atrocious and we were flattered by 23 point margin, Collingwood: absolutely diabolical, Hawthorn: OK but they are comparable to Richmond right now, Port: pretty good but let agame we should have won slip due to poor decisions. It will most probabaly be 2-6 after this week and I just cant see any positive in that scoreline. At this rate we are on target to win a maximum of 8 games this season.
Settle down champ.
Of course, finals are judged on the win loss ratio. However, with an uneven draw to get a true indication of how we are playing, you need to look at the teams we have come up against.
By the way, paragraphs can be your friend if you ask them nicely.
rhysman
10 May 2010, 09:55
Im glad we can agree that win/loss ratio determines finals. But its beyond me how you can put any positive spin on our form right now. Both stats and form say we are a very, very ordinary team right now.
Mr Mojo Risin
10 May 2010, 09:55
I can't believe how many of you are so happy to accept mediocrity. Just astonishing.. you sound like Hawthorn supporters.. "don't write us off.."
"its just a little slimy, its still good, its still good." or no "its just a little airborne but its still goooood"
No.. just let it go.
We seriously stink atm. We can dominate possession and tackle counts and hard ball gets and loose ball gets and number of high fives we can do in a row.. Sport is measured in wins and losses. And at that we are failing.
Sorry BTG.. I correct my earlier statement.. 5 bottom 5 finishes in 6 years.. ouch!
With all due respect, it's this kind of rubbish statement I'm sick of hearing.
So you are not going to accept mediocrity? What does that mean? Does that mean you are going to live in denial about the performances we have dished out so far or does it mean you are going to huff and puff and blow Windy Hill down because of them?
Seriously, what age do you live in? We are not in the 80s where we have recruiting zones and can pay whatever we want to players and really be one of 6 or so teams in the hunt for a premiership.
As unequal as the fixture may be and other things, much of the competition has become a lot more even across 16 teams. All 16 teams have good recruiters and football programs now so it's very hard to get the edge over other teams.
Building a consistent, winning team takes a number of years if you want to build one to win premierships, not just make finals.
So I accept that we are mediocre at the moment as I understand it's about a longer term process to bring success. Bleating about things not being good enough right now and sacking coaches and making statements of grandeur really don't do much other than sell papers. Impatient arrogance will not get you anywhere.
Look at Fremantle, going against 95% of people's opinions they stuck firm with Harvey and the belief he had to stick with his plan to fruition. Knights has had 2 full years previous to start effectively from scratch and has finished 12th then 8th. We lost a lot of experience and structure from last years team and while we had a few weeks of seemingly below par effort, the last two weeks have been better.
Like mediocrity now? No, of course not.
Accept mediocrity now? Sure if I can see the long term direction being taken is the right one.
Or would you prefer we not give the chance to any coach and keep sacking them because they don't give us a premiership winning combination in 2 years? :rolleyes:
The Donners
10 May 2010, 11:37
Well we've played well 2 matches in a row, whether we can keep it up remains to be seen.
We've tackled well and lead our opposition to the ball. That's it. Our decision making (i.e. handballs to players under the pump inside 50) and our execution of the games fundamentals are atrocious.
The Donners
10 May 2010, 11:44
A voice of reason - Look at Fremantle's senior players
-Pavlich
- Tarrant
- Sandilands
- McPharland
- Hayden
- Mundy
- Hasleby
Compare that to Essendon's senior group in quality and on current form.
- Watson
- Hille
- Fletcher
- Winderlich
- Lovett-Murray
- Stanton
- McVeigh
- Monfries
With Welsh, Williams and Dyson temporarily out of the side.
WeAreEssendon
29 May 2010, 09:49
Good call. :thumbsu: