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My God, the carry on he did. Talk about dummy spit. If a bloke did that on tour here in Australia, we would never hear the end of it. So a decision (correctly) went against you. Havent seen that big a blow up since 3rd grade. Lucky for the paying public that it wasnt Slaters bat and ball, because he would have sooked off and gone home if they had been.
This from a bloke who got one of the best let offs in the first innings. Steve Waugh is all class, how come the blokes playing under him are so bereft of it? He should have come down on Slater like the proverbial ton of bricks. At the very least, he should be dropped for the next test, if not the rest of the tour. Disgraceful outburst of bad sportsmanship.
This when they should be on the best behaviour after the recent loss of the greatest the games seen. Bloody shameful.
Steve Waugh's the biggest sledger of the lot. about 15 years ago i played against Steve Waugh in a first grade match up here.
Steve was a young player without much of a reputatioin in grade cricket, and he was still sledging the crap out of us when we batted.
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Bloodstained Angel
3 Mar 2001, 03:49
What really gob-smacked me was when Slater started abusing the hell out of Dravid for not walking.
Now people, lets just go over that again - an Australian fielder sledges an Indian batsman - for not walking.
WTFk ?
Is there no limit to the arrogant, hypocritical posturing by these callow arseholes ?
These lager louts aren't the 'greatest team ever' I don't care how many tests in a row they win, as far I'm concerned they bring the game into disrepute everytime they set foot on the oval.
Oh and another thing - another test victory, another top order batting collapse, another game won courtesy of the freaking bloody wicketkeeper - groan.
What a disgrace. He should be sent home on the next plane.A bad role model for the nations young cricketers.Thats just pure bad sportsmanship.I just hope the Under 11's tommorrow aren't talking about it,as kids do.These guys are there idols. Pathetic Slater, more pathetic ACB.
My mind goes back to that Aust. v Zimb. game when only the lack of a clear camera shot kept Ponting in. When he refused to walk I thought it was the biggest disgrace in cricket. At least on the field. I don't recall the Zimbabwe players going ballistic like Slater has just done. What gets me is that Australia set the precedent of not walking. Why can't they handle it when it goes against them?
I think what's happened is that the Australians think they are above the game. They've started to expect that things will always go their way by a kind of divine right. You can see by the rections of the bowlers (and fielders) when an opposition batsman carts them that they are very quick to spit the dummy.
Will we hear an apology from Slater to Dravid, considering the result was correct? Will any action be taken, other than a slap on the wrist? What happens when Australia meet a team as mentally tough as they are? Because that's the difference.
This Australian team is bringing the game into disrepute. I think the blame needs to be shared equally by Steve Waugh. He is the captain, and as such is responsible for what his team does on the field. He should be penalised just as heavily as Slater. Then we might see him doing something about it.
Dump Slater and bring Martyn in. Slater was very unsporting when he was cleary wrong. Also Martyn never gets to have many chances, he has proven to us and the selectors that he is one of the best batsmen in the Australian team so why do they refrain from keeping him out.
Drop Justin Langer for all I care, he hasn't done anything in ages and isn't consistent.
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In a game that should have been used to remember the Don, Slater's behaviour was ridiculous. The Aussies don't walk so how can they possibly carry on like that when an Indian does the same.
Slater should be on the next plane home, surely at a time like this the board, captain and the team must realise that no person or team is bigger than the game. A very sad display.
I think you should all shut up and let it go.
You cant drop a guy or send him home because of an on-field outburst, he thought he caught it and so he let everyone know about it. Its exactly the same as if a footy player yells at the umpire for paying a free kick against them, they think its wrong and yell at em, are you gonna drop them for that??
Youre all as pathetic as each other
Vanders, to even suggest that a free kick missed is equal to what Slater did shows your lack of understanding between the two games.
One game is 'supposedly' about the skill it takes between bat and ball. The others a game of physical contact and domination of the one team over the other.
Slaters behaviour (and btw he was wrong is truly the 'ugly Aussie' abroad.
Disgraced himself, his team and his Country.
Should be dropped for at least the next test, if not for the whole series.
Bloodstained Angel
3 Mar 2001, 08:47
Haven't the Australians always considered themselves above the game ?
Who can remember the arrogant, swaggering and dismissive attitude of such paragons of sportsman-like behaviour as
The Chappell brothers
Bob Simpson
Richie Benaud
Mark Taylor
to name but a few.
I also read in the press today that in the same game (the 1st test at Mumbai) Slater was caught behind in the Australian 1st innings - and guess what ?
He didn't walk (surprise, surprise)
and guess what also ? - the Indians accepted the not out decision and went on with the game.
what a disgrace to Australian sport this, er, 'team' really are.
its the first thing that slater has done wrong since he's been playing for australia and he gets shitbagged, other players have done more disgraceful things to give cricket/australia a bad name, even if it was off the field.
Cut the guy some slack
and grendel, i do understand the difference, obviously you mis-interpreted what i said
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Calamity
3 Mar 2001, 09:07
I believe Michael Slater needed to have a think about his own actions in the Australian first innings before he started throwing mud.
[start of rant]
Now, had Slater walked when he was so obviously out caught behind, then maybe he would have the "right" to confront the Indian batsman. But given that Slater stayed put, his subsequent harrassing of the Indian batsman is hypocritical. A case of "do as I say, not as I do" ie A show of bad sportsmanship.
Until Slater starts "walking" every time he is out, he should just get on with the game.
Did you see Mark Waugh throw a tanty when Mongia was given not out after the ball hit the glove and was caught? No you did not. He got on with the game, as the Indians did in the Australian first innings.
[end of rant]
Originally posted by vanders:
I think you should all shut up and let it go.
You cant drop a guy or send him home because of an on-field outburst, he thought he caught it and so he let everyone know about it. Its exactly the same as if a footy player yells at the umpire for paying a free kick against them, they think its wrong and yell at em, are you gonna drop them for that??
Youre all as pathetic as each other
HERE HERE!!!! Comeon guys......he was caught in the moment........if you think that you have caught someone after a big partnership of course your gonna be passionate about it. Look guys this was a one of thing and is not normal behaviour for Slater, so GIVE HIM A BREAK.
Nope, sorry Slater-sympathisers but I have to disagree. Let me go through the responses :
Same as a free kick : since when did a football player abuse an opposition player when a free kick was paid.
It's the first thing he's done/others are worse : wrongs a two right make don't ... arrange as you see fit.
Caught in the moment : he's a professional sportsman. As such if he can't control his temper in that situation he shouldn't be out there.
The game of cricket is in enough strife as it is without this sort of rubbish. The good of the game has to come first and that means respecting the decisions of the umpire and giving your opponents respect. As far as I am concerned whether Slater had walked in his innings or not, whether he actually caught it or not and whether or not it is out of character doesn't matter. His actions reflect badly on Australian cricket and he should be stood down immediately.
[This message has been edited by elt (edited 02 March 2001).]
i think that should all just accept that its happened and move on!!
WE WON!! by 10 wickets, yay! isnt that more important?
*sigh* Vanders that is exactly the attitude that contributes to these problems in the first place.
Doesn't the nations outpouring of grief over the Don's death prove anything to you? What people want from their sporting heroes isn't just the ability to win. They need to be role models that we can all look up to. Sure they need to play hard, play to win, but stay within the rules and even more importantly respect the etiquette of the game.
I would rather see us lose graciously than win like that.
Last time India toured here, Ajit Agarkar was penalised for celebrating a wicket at the MCG too close to the batsman. He did a little war dance. McGrath did much the same thing, much more spitefully, later in the series and the incident went virtually unreported, much less penalised. Agarkar was pilloried in the press and on the field for the entire tour after that.
What Slater did was far worse. I would have thought our players were taught to take the umpire's decision as final. That's the reason our players give for not walking when they think they are out. I've heard Waugh say it himself. The rules are the rules and Australia plays by the rules, whatever they currently are. Slater's actions were clearly outiside the laws and the spirit of the game. I don't know how they can be defended.
All I can say is that if you think Slater's actions were ok, then you think it is ok to defy umpires and abuse opposition players openly. If you think that, you don't love cricket, you only love to win. And that attitude will kill the game.
GoEagles
3 Mar 2001, 14:01
I agree 100% elt, It's just not cricket when you have to abuse your opposition and tell them to start walking when they think they are out (thats the umpires job, not Michael Slaters duty). His outburst was very unprofessional and even worse considering he didn't apologise when he found out afterwards the catch didn't carry. How can he be a rolemodel to kids when he's going around abusing the other team? I never saw Bradman do this...
Maybe it was from a frustrated start of the Indian tour, he has struggled in the warm-up games and in the test match.
NICK THE PIE MAN
3 Mar 2001, 15:40
Geez, this is stupid.
Player's arn't robots, they do have emotions. Don't get me wrong, i think Slater did carry on a bit but come on. Cricket is getting too soft if they think that was worth a suspension. Good decision by the match referee. Don't allow cricket to become like lawn bowls.
F*** the whole 'game of gentlemen' crap. I have seen alot worse stuff in Rugby/AFL etc. Just because its 'cricket' there is a big backlash. Stupid.
GoEagles
4 Mar 2001, 13:18
Just a question: How do you think everyone would of reacted if Slater did the same thing in Bradman's era?
It was a disgrace what Slater did. Way over the top and certainly not in the spirit of the game. If an AFL player did that to an umpire harsh penalties would be ensured. To get a warning was not good enough.
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:
Who can remember the arrogant, swaggering and dismissive attitude of such paragons of sportsman-like behaviour as
The Chappell brothers
Bob Simpson
Richie Benaud
Mark Taylor
The Chappells, Simpson and Benaud were before my time, so I can't comment (except Ian Chappell has his head up his arse). But Mark Taylor??? Unsportsmanlike and arrogant??? http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/confused.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/confused.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/confused.gif
Did anyone read the article from Robert Craddock. What a w*nker. he crapped on about how the match referee should be a person who's never played cricket.
The guy is now officialy a d*ckhead. Here is Craddock, never played cricket in his life saying stuff like the match referee should be a person whos never played.
If Rahul Dravid, in his sly indian way, didn't say something to Slater i will walk naked through Bondi.
I will defend Slats here. ive seen a lot worse incidents (Maindad/Lillee). Players have emotiions and sometimes things boil over. he did carry over and a fine would of been about right. But people talking of suspenions is a bit far.
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goatmaster
6 Mar 2001, 12:15
WCE2000,
Normally I rate you as a very intelligent poster but to talk about what Dravid said to Slater- pleeeease.
If one of our mighty Aussies who always refuse to walk themselves had been under attack they would have been very quick to tell the baby to piss off (or worse).
The reality & worst part of this is that this Aussie team is one of the main ones by their actions pushing the line of the Umpires decision. Langer & Ponting wouldn't walk wwhen a fielder claimed a catch but Dravid should have.
I'm afraid that (other than the Mark Taylor jibe)i am with BSA this cricket team is great but in danger of becoming a national disgrace with their behaviour. Steve Waugh is the leader (did he even tell Slater to get back to his position) .
When did win at all costs mean more than the game? A sad day because it is a game.
I know from what it seems that Dravid didn't say anything.
But when i toured India in 1994 on an past players tour, i found the Indians to be nice people on the find, but on the field were very sly.
Say for instance, when you appealed and it was turned down, the batsmen would do grin, or look at you like your an idiot or something. After the batsmen does this 3 or 4 times, it get very frustrated.
Anyway, i'm not saying Dravid said something, but i'm saying its always a possibility.
Either way, Slater was out of line. A few words to Dravid when they passed would've been alright, but to go in his face wasn't so smart.
I would put it down to pure frustration on Slaters part.
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goatmaster
7 Mar 2001, 06:53
You are right about the Indians on the sly innocent look WCE2000. I had 50 of the buggers working for me in the UAE they are very good at that. The point is though imagine what one of the Aussies would have said if an Indian had been throwing the tantrum. They would have been told to get bon with the game in very clear language.
The point is the Aussies are hypocrites in the extreme they don't accept the word of any one else but when they don't have theirs accepted it is an insult.
The Dutchman!
9 Mar 2001, 07:09
sorry
Slats - yep - rate the guy but was out of line
Ian Chappell - long term patronising, repetitive and arrogant bore.
Greg C. - nowhere near as bad but that Trevor incident blots his copybook
Mark Taylor - terrific bloke and excellent player (sans last 3 years) but is guilty of letting other go off when he should have controlled them (ie: Pont & McGrath)
Richie Benaud - I find it hard to believe this bloke was ever anything but honourable by his commentary over the last 30 years... more info pls?
Simmo - arrogant as the day is long.
What about the other side of the coin?
1. Adam Gilchrist - incredibly humble and statesmanlike for someone so talented and with such a rude head
2. Mark Waugh - bollocky bookie beatup aside a pretty decent and sportsmanlike cricketer.
3. AB. Nuff said
Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater here - I'm still very proud of what this team have achieved - but they could raise the behavioural a tad...
BUBBALOUIS
9 Mar 2001, 07:22
Guys my 2 cents worth, Slaters actions were bad, especially considering Aussie batsmans form this summer in not walking (Langer,Ponting etc) but he could have been forgiven if he admitted what hed done was dumb, instead he comes out on radio and says the media have blown it out of proportion and what he did wasnt that bad!! Give me a break, our recent success has made our cricketers sooks, god knows what they will do when they enivitably lose a Test. Grow up boys.
"Who can remember the arrogant, swaggering and dismissive attitude of such paragons of sportsman-like behaviour as
The Chappell brothers
Bob Simpson
Richie Benaud
Mark Taylor "
Ian Chappell I'll give and Greg was out in the sun too long but Simmo, Richie and Taylor
did not have a "
arrogant, swaggering and dismissive attitude ". Dont forget it was Simmo who came back after retirement when everyone else had buggered off to packer to take on the West Indies and is also personally responsible for the resurgence of the Australian cricket team. Who do you think brought about the fielding sharpness we now have, throwing down wickets etc. Simmo.Made the buggers practice no matter who they were.
Benaud woulnt know how to have an "arrogant, swaggering and dismissive attitude "
and Taylors only "fault" is that he wouldn't drop himself. Dont forget Chappell, G 's run of outs.