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Gasometer
14 May 2010, 18:16
Well hopefully the Mods will allow us to be indulgent with such a short time left.
A thread for issues before, during and after the last ever episode of LOST.
Gaso
Subscribble for future postage.
Gasometer
16 May 2010, 20:30
Dont know if this means cry that the series is over or cry because of what's in it-
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/2010/05/lost-finale-may-make-you-cry-and-will-not-satisfy-everyone-carlton-cuse-and-damon-lindelof-say.html
Dont know if this means cry that the series is over or cry because of what's in it-
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/2010/05/lost-finale-may-make-you-cry-and-will-not-satisfy-everyone-carlton-cuse-and-damon-lindelof-say.html
cry like in the candidate
legend166
17 May 2010, 14:43
How long is the finale? 2 and a half hours?
Yep.
In 1 week it's all over. :(
I'm sure we'll all re-watch the dvd (or in my case Blu-Ray) boxsets adnauseum.
Will be interesting watching season back after knowing as much as we can know.
Yep.
In 1 week it's all over. :(
i`m going to need counselling
Crimson Azure
18 May 2010, 10:12
Will be interesting watching season back after knowing as much as we can know.
It will instead of watching with no idea what the hell is going on & the show moving at the speed of lethargic sloth.
Edit: Now that I think about is wasn't there a sloth on the show at some point?
:p
haha, I'm not sure I'd want to sit through season 2 (or was it season 3) again. **** that was slow going, though at least on DVD it's back to back.
Gasometer
19 May 2010, 23:09
THE END....lets start!
The top 10 producer moments of all LOST are here:-
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/feature/losts-top-10-moments-5103.html
As someone notes at the bottom, they totally missed S03 finale, 'we have to go back'...IMO, one of the greatest reveals of all time.
Gaso
Benno_900
19 May 2010, 23:37
Wow, I would've thought the Desmond-Penny phone call would be top.
A few of my best moments.
Through the Looking Glass - "we have go back"
Through the Looking Glass - Charlie's Death
The Brig - Sawyer and Anthony Cooper face off.
Pilot - Charlie "where are we"
The Constant - Des and Penny's call.
So many many more.
Sneak peak for the finale...45 secs of the last ep...not embedding it in case the still image is too much for some to bare...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBGgiN3Ur8g
Audacious
20 May 2010, 01:09
i wish cinemas in Perth would show the season finale. Would love to be in a room choc full of Lost diehards witnessing the end to the whole shabang,
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7077c6426/get-lost-with-sarah-silverman?rel=player
Something a little different...kinda MA rated in parts too.
DoubleO7
20 May 2010, 14:18
i wish cinemas in Perth would show the season finale. Would love to be in a room choc full of Lost diehards witnessing the end to the whole shabang,
http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif
THE END....lets start!
The top 10 producer moments of all LOST are here:-
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/feature/losts-top-10-moments-5103.html
As someone notes at the bottom, they totally missed S03 finale, 'we have to go back'...IMO, one of the greatest reveals of all time.
Gaso
so many good moments here (http://boards.ign.com/lost/b8147/190487027/p1/?17) (at least 30)
all with youtube videos
Benno_900
20 May 2010, 17:48
Eko would've been the perfect Jacob
Gasometer
20 May 2010, 19:26
Like the idea of a public viewing in a cinema...of course minus Severn's ads...
The sneak peeks are ABC tuning us all aren't they...just enough to get us onto YouTube to look at meaningless conversation. :D
Gaso
Gasometer
20 May 2010, 19:37
http://www.sling.com/video/show/322686/66/David-Letterman---%27Lost%27-Spoilers-T
Look out for No5 on the Top 10 Letterman...he does it soooo well!:D
Lots of rumours floating around on Twitter re: it all being a dream...yawn...how many times have we heard that one the past six years. I would be devastated if it was true though...
Gaso
I find it difficult to imagine a finale that would redeem all (or even some majority) of the mysteries given to us so far. I can see the finale being a big shock to satisfy the fan's cravings to go out with a bang but after the initial excitment I'm reasonably sure I'll find a loophole or two. Evidently I'm keeping hopes in check but if Monday surpasses what I've specified, it'll be some show.
The only concluding storyline I could put forward that I may be sufficienly impressed with (should it be handled correctly) is if the island represented the mind/our psychology in some way. That means everyone's mind has an island with good and evil etc or some variant. Different events on the island represent differnent internal dramas we all have in our heads and all Lost has been is metaphors for what goes on in all of us.
Because really when Jacob said at the kumbaya that the Losties were flawed all I could this was '**** off we're all flawed, not just those 40 odd'.
This would steer clear of the supernatural in the conclusion and help a cynical person like myself understand the show (but really most people of similar cynicism to me would have switched off long ago, somewhere between the magical flying black smoke and a hatch being found in the middle of the jungle). This theory could be said to attend the 'It was all a dream' school of cop outs though.
There really are very few ways to validate the complexity of the storyline we've witnessed so far...
DoubleA
20 May 2010, 23:56
Why does 7 show yesterdays episode 8 hours after, but the finale 48 hours after? I don't get it.
I don't think I can last that long, so many fkn spoilers going around Twitter and the web in general.
Atavistic
21 May 2010, 00:22
Eko would've been the perfect Jacob
**** yeah, that'd be awesome. I stopped watching the show for a while after he died. I was pretty pissed off about it. Pity we haven't seen him in the alternate timeline - I'd like to see him come back and kick the smoke monster's ass.
Benno_900
21 May 2010, 00:30
**** yeah, that'd be awesome. I stopped watching the show for a while after he died. I was pretty pissed off about it. Pity we haven't seen him in the alternate timeline - I'd like to see him come back and kick the smoke monster's ass.
I think the actor wanted to leave which is why the killed him off.
I like this, on the whole context of mystery within the show, and why answers aren't everything.
http://popinitiative.com/2010/05/20/the-end/#LOST
...what I will miss more than anything is the mystery of LOST. I mean do I want to know what the Numbers mean, or what is the Monster, or what was the deal with Walt, or how a spinal surgeon like Jack Shephard got field training with ammunition (BIGGEST MYSTERY OF THEM ALL)? Of course I do. Will it be as interesting and meaningful as the six seasons of mystery that the show gave me? Not in this life, brotha’.
DoubleA
21 May 2010, 17:37
I think the actor wanted to leave which is why the killed him off.
He hated living in Hawaii, he's British as are all his friends family. Apparently the plot line was meant for Eko, then he left and Ben filled his void. Blessing in disguise
Gasometer
21 May 2010, 20:36
Looking forward to what happens at the concert recital...it's gonna be big surely!
Keen to see whether it can be used to switcher-roo the recent deaths on the Island.
I suppose the only two that cant be brought back in a time switch is Jacob and Locke who died before Juliet whacked the bomb...still a mind fry down to the end...
gaso
jordanrobbo3
21 May 2010, 22:49
I like this, on the whole context of mystery within the show, and why answers aren't everything.
http://popinitiative.com/2010/05/20/the-end/#LOST
Good read, thanks for that.
Anyone think Jack's neck wound in the alt universe will be of some significance??
Good read, thanks for that.
Anyone think Jack's neck wound in the alt universe will be of some significance??
100% certain it will be, otherwise they wouldn't have highlighted it twice
good article by Jorge Garcia (Hurley)
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118019652.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&ref=verttv
Gasometer
22 May 2010, 14:06
Now there's a Hollywood star who knows how lucky he has been; humble and honest by the look of that read...so was Gorge just playing himself???
He also sounds impressed with what they have filmed in the finale.
gaso
I loved hearing that he auditioned for Sawyer
and that Michael Emerson (ben) auditioned for Hurley
Gasometer
22 May 2010, 17:17
Most of the casting has been spot on.
Micheal Emmerson on Letterman "I must go to Target to buy sock" he does it so well!
Struggled with Juliet many times though for some reason.
gaso
Gasometer
23 May 2010, 14:09
One more sleep!
Gaso :D
Only one website visit tommorrow. And nothing else till I finish watching, whenever that might be. At least that's the plan.
Gasometer
23 May 2010, 20:05
Wont even look here...burnt a couple of weeks back having a look at the S06 thread to find a spoiler.
Just hoping that its not a massive let down.
Will be back here after viewing....remember, what happened happened.
gaso:thumbsu:
I may not be watching the finale until friday afternoon :thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:
completely radio silence, starting tomorrow morning, til then
lost quiz
http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/109/1091400p1.html
i got 31/50
22/26 for easy and 9/24 for hard
Good quiz, 38/50. 25/26 on the easy and 13 on the hard ones.
wally funk
24 May 2010, 14:57
25/26 easy
19/24 hard
awesome. though i swear two or three of them didn't have a correct answer as an option
Just finished watching it and it was absolutely amazing. By far the best thing I have ever watched in my life.
Ever.
'twas epic.
"I don't believe in a lot of things, but I do believe in duct tape."
Posted this in the season 6 thread, but needs repeating here...
Seriously?
Six bloody years and that is the best they can come up with?
That was nearly disappointing as the Battlestar Galactica ending... not quite as ludicrous but equally as unsatisfying.
Benno_900
24 May 2010, 19:48
I'd call it 'satisfying' but was expecting something much more mind-blowing.
And yes, there are going to be plenty that would be disappointed.
Are the Jimmy Kimmel alternate endings up yet?
I'd call it 'satisfying' but was expecting something much more mind-blowing.
And yes, there are going to be plenty that would be disappointed.
Are the Jimmy Kimmel alternate endings up yet?
They weren't alternate endings, just spoofs. They only shot the one ending.
Can't wait for the DVD to check out that extra 20 minutes they didn't fit in.
Interesting ending, pretty solid episode. Nice and neat.
Basically in shock that I will never again watch a new episode of Lost :(.
JuddyBuddy
24 May 2010, 22:30
So basically they all died somehow in the end and met up in heaven or whatever you wanna call it? That's it? Unless I've missed something I feel slightly unsatisfied. Too many mysteries and questions posed over six seasons to have it end in such a simple way.
So basically they all died somehow in the end and met up in heaven or whatever you wanna call it? That's it? Unless I've missed something I feel slightly unsatisfied. Too many mysteries and questions posed over six seasons to have it end in such a simple way.
You're looking at it the wrong way. They are all dead (irrespective of the place and time) in the flash sideways as that is a place created by them to find each other and remember before they move onto the "next phase" together, as one. In the Lost universe it is all real, no alternate realities or dreams. Jack died in the jungle and the people on the plane and Hurley, Ben and Desmond went on to live their lives. Sooner or later everyone dies, and all of them met up in the flash sideways because of how important they all were to each other.
Atheist
24 May 2010, 22:54
You're looking at it the wrong way. They are all dead (irrespective of the place and time) in the flash sideways as that is a place created by them to find each other and remember before they move onto the "next phase" together, as one. In the Lost universe it is all real, no alternate realities or dreams. Jack died in the jungle and the people on the plane and Hurley, Ben and Desmond went on to live their lives. Sooner or later everyone dies, and all of them met up in the flash sideways because of how important they all were to each other.
Excellent summation. The people saying they all died in the original plane crash are mistaken.
A lot of mystery surrounding 'the island' is left unanswered, but it's a good ending, just so many questions remain. Classic Lost.
JuddyBuddy
24 May 2010, 23:21
You're looking at it the wrong way. They are all dead (irrespective of the place and time) in the flash sideways as that is a place created by them to find each other and remember before they move onto the "next phase" together, as one. In the Lost universe it is all real, no alternate realities or dreams. Jack died in the jungle and the people on the plane and Hurley, Ben and Desmond went on to live their lives. Sooner or later everyone dies, and all of them met up in the flash sideways because of how important they all were to each other.
Thats what I said, they all died "in the end". I understand the stuff on the island really happened. That's my main gripe, their is still too much unresolved mystery about why the island was how it was.
Benno_900
24 May 2010, 23:22
A lot of mystery surrounding 'the island' is left unanswered, but it's a good ending, just so many questions remain. Classic Lost.
True, but I think most are disappointed with the purgatory-like ending (some still thinking that the plane crash was their deaths).
So what if there was no sideways world and the entire 6th season focused on the events on the island? It'd feel much less satisfying then.
As for the unsolved mysteries ... honestly ... the more they answer, the more questions arise.
Thats what I said, they all died "in the end". I understand the stuff on the island really happened. That's my main gripe, their is still too much unresolved mystery about why the island was how it was.
Ah ok, I think I misinterpreted you. You meant in the end, as in, the end of their lives, not at the end of the episode when it was revealed?
True, but I think most are disappointed with the purgatory-like ending (some still thinking that the plane crash was their deaths).
So what if there was no sideways world and the entire 6th season focused on the events on the island? It'd feel much less satisfying then.
As for the unsolved mysteries ... honestly ... the more they answer, the more questions arise.
Well there's still some footage that hasn't been shown yet which will come out with the DVD/Blu-Ray release, but I don't know how many more questions they can answer in 20 minutes.
Notorious_29
24 May 2010, 23:57
:)
As frustrating and flawed the show has been at times it will remain my favourite tv shows I have yet to watch. 6 seasons of excitement and extraordinary character building. I don't think I will ever follow a show as closely again as I have followed Lost. The ending didn't provide all the closure I was after really. I mean afterlife and purgatory, I was hoping they didn't go down the religious path. But that doesn't take away from the show. Pretty sad that it's all over now :(
Punchy Bassett
25 May 2010, 00:28
Is it their reward for all saving the island? Each of them in some way played a part in saving it so to speak, so was it their reward to move to the "other plane" together?
Vendrell
25 May 2010, 02:02
Up until the last 5 minutes, Lost was on it's way to being the greatest show of all time. I was loving the finale right up until Jack walks into the church.
As everything was happening with the characters remembering, I sat on the couch pumping my fists in the air. I was ready to come on here and say that I don't care about "what's the purpose of the island?" "what does the light mean?" "what's the Egyptian stuff?" and all the questions we've wanted answered for the past 6 years. I don't care about those questions because the characters are so good. The way the characters were getting closure in the flash sideways was perfect.
But then Jack's dead and goes to heaven... ugh...
And yes, it's heaven. You can say what you want about them meeting up in the flash sideways because they were all important to each other and spin it different ways but the bottom line is, Jack goes to heaven. Heaven is anything you want it to be, surrounded by the people you love.
I would've preferred it if they all just sat in the church in silence looking at each other funny and then Jack smiles at the camera and we cut to black like The Sopranos. Something that left you with the sense that now without any doubt, they all remember and the events actually did happen and they saved the world.
There were so many incredible moments leading up to the church. But then ugh... I'll let it settle in for a few days, discuss it with people and read articles online and maybe my opinion will change. But for the moment I'm torn. Such a brilliant finale and then a cop out in the last 5 minutes.
Football God
25 May 2010, 02:13
[SPOILER]Wow. so the side flashes were actually heaven the whole time.. thats incredible. i actually thought jack was going to die in the end :'( was awesome too see the originals... Boone was my fav character :) i miss it already :( when Jack saw the plane fly over him and he smiled it made me smile, cos being with these characters for so long makes you feel apart of the family.. :)[/SPOI (ah f*** it your fault for reading this if you didn't want too.)
Vendrell
25 May 2010, 02:20
I believe that the side flashes were Purgatory and once they entered the church, they got into Heaven.
I think this is an excellent article on the finale and the show. I normally don't agree with the writer, Devin Faraci at all but this time he's spot on in my opinion.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html
Gotta love the little easter eggs...like Jack's "appendix" scar he couldn't remember in the season opener, being the same place Locke stabbed him. I'm sure in the coming months we'll find more and more little things.
Audacious
25 May 2010, 07:34
well im sad that ill never see a new episode of Lost again. I love how in these big finales that all the characters from seasons past come together again. Its one of those warm fuzzy moments that only fans who have stayed with the show for the entire 6 seasons can appreciate.
I was hoping for more answers but the finale met my expectations. The answers were never going to come because the producers didnt have them. They knew how to create interest and build suspense. The Lost journey was like meeting Jessica Alba, taking her home, having quality foreplay, amazing sex, and then no orgasm. Thats how the finale felt for me anyway.
Still one of the best rides ive had. And guess what - im flying from Sydney to LA - TOMORROW!! :eek:
I think this is an excellent article on the finale and the show. I normally don't agree with the writer, Devin Faraci at all but this time he's spot on in my opinion.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html
Mine too.
I never really cared that much for the characters in the show due to the two dimensional way in which were written... and their dialog was cliche at best, cringeworthy at worst. It was the puzzle that interested me and the reason why I hung in for six years.
Turns out the puzzle has no real solution and a vast majority of the "clues" along the way were mere red herrings to suck people in and obfuscate the story telling.
The entire reason for the whole timeless purgatory alternate dimension angle was for a cheesy ending to the finale. It had nothing to do with anything, but was simply deus ex machina in its most obvious form. What a shameless and pathetic cop out.
In the end Lost will be remembered as a show that was pure smoke and mirrors, one that gave the illusion of substance and complexity but was more akin to a ponzi scheme.
P.S. The scene where the plane finally took off was so cheesy it actually made me laugh out loud... the music was simply terrible and turned what should have been a feel good moment into a cringeworthy one.
The Lost journey was like meeting Jessica Alba, taking her home, having quality foreplay, amazing sex, and then no orgasm.
Nah, the finale was Jessica Alba revealing she was really Susan Boyle all along!
We were victims of a Shallow Hal complex... I was conned into having sex with a morbidly obese fatty!
I feel so dirty...
I think the finale was more like Jessica Alba revealing she had a penis.....but you still fapped.
Oh, I think we're beyond highlight to reveal etc, it's the finale thread and if you haven't seen it you wouldn't venture in afters it's become available.
the only let down in the final i think was the locke vs. jack show down
talk about anti-climax
JuddyBuddy
25 May 2010, 10:55
During the entire six seasons so many questions were raised but I always felt as though they would all be answered in the end. It's the reason I stuck with it. I do feel somewhat cheated, but we all probably should have known that a lot of the mystery they had created was too complex to really tie up neatly anyway. I mean how do you try to explain some of the shit that went on on the island without it sounding too far fetched and stupid anyway? Leaving it open to the imagination may just have been the better way to go.
On a side not, how ****in good did Kate look in that little black dress? :D
flight23
25 May 2010, 10:58
Gotta love the little easter eggs...like Jack's "appendix" scar he couldn't remember in the season opener, being the same place Locke stabbed him. I'm sure in the coming months we'll find more and more little things.
great pick up
JuddyBuddy
25 May 2010, 11:07
I believe that the side flashes were Purgatory and once they entered the church, they got into Heaven.
I think this is an excellent article on the finale and the show. I normally don't agree with the writer, Devin Faraci at all but this time he's spot on in my opinion.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html
Great article. Sums it up perfectly. Considering the amount of questions that were raised we deserved a few more answers.
Jie_Hodge
25 May 2010, 11:49
Loved the finale, absolute masterpiece. Loved LOST the whole series.
I first got hooked on the show because of the mysteries, so i can see why some people are annoyed at the final, and do feel sorry for some of you that wanted answers and only got rushed answers that didn't make any sense.
But about season 4-5 started to lean towards more worrying about the journey of our losties, and where they were headed, accepted the island for what it was, and when they brought out what happened, happened linethat was the clincher, from then I never worried a great deal about the questions.
I think if your lost experience played out like mine, you would or could be satisfied with end, more so than those that wanted answers regarding what the island was, it powers etc. Thats not to say I was right and interpreted the show correctly, as the show was open to interpretations, which is what made it great.
I think the finale was more like Jessica Alba revealing she had a penis.....but you still fapped.
:D:thumbsu:
And to those who claim that the viewers should excuse the writers for not giving answers as it's too complicated to do so, it's Cuse and Lindelof's creation and therefore it's poor writing on their behalf to let it get out of their control in the first place.
People congratulated Lost for going out on it's own terms, well from the conclusion provided I'm fairly sure it could have been easily wrapped it up after 2 seasons. No need for time-travel, the donkey wheel, just fast-track Jack's break down and resurgence and you could make yourself a good series without the mysteries snowballing out of control. The religious ending gave everyone a satisfactory conclusion so long as they are indeed religious, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. (Edit: just read some of the article linked above, says similar things).
WTF was the island by the way?
Good series up until the end, my ealier post discussing the island being our psychology would have been a similar cop out but would at least accomodate for the irreligious. Big cringe moment when Christian was standing in front of the big cross talking about where Jack was.
Not bitter, just disappointed.
Punchy Bassett
25 May 2010, 13:08
On a side not, how ****in good did Kate look in that little black dress? :D
Stunningly hot! :thumbsu:
an interpretation/explanation from and insider at Bad Robot
First ...
The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
To those wanting answers - what more did you want? We got a stack in the final season and to be honest I thought the fact that most of them had been guessed correctly by fans meant they weren't as big a deal as I hoped right back at the start.
I like that take on things.
Football God
25 May 2010, 16:09
MiB died so easily... :cool: i liked it. sad seeing jack walk to his death but happy when he smiled when the plane flew over him.
LOST..:heart:
Did Jack die in the same place he dropped in? Can't recall.
Football God
25 May 2010, 16:23
Did Jack die in the same place he dropped in? Can't recall.
make of it what you will, i think you could be right. shows him looking up into the sky. The producers knew all along how they were planning it from start to end. and it has Vincent the dog walking up o him at the start too! geez that dog mustve done alot of yards all those years :D
EDIT: if you watch the video you will see shoe and you see it in the finale too! so, yes you're right that was the same spot, good pickup.
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On Vincent, was he meant to represent, or be, anyone in particular?
Football God
25 May 2010, 16:44
You would think so but there is no real answers you can think of..
If the cave was the heart of the island why was it near their camp site and they never found it? and at the start of the whole series, when jack saw his dead dad and it was MiB waas that where Jack came out of the jungle and MiB knew where the cave was the whole time?
Well MiB had been looking for it for years.
Maybe you can only get there with, or if you are the protector of the island.
Noone has gotten to it with the protector with them.
Well MiB had been looking for it for years.
Maybe you can only get there with, or if you are the protector of the island.
Noone has gotten to it with the protector with them.
I was sure that was mentioned by the Mother in Across the Sea.
jordanrobbo3
25 May 2010, 17:02
You would think so but there is no real answers you can think of..
If the cave was the heart of the island why was it near their camp site and they never found it? and at the start of the whole series, when jack saw his dead dad and it was MiB waas that where Jack came out of the jungle and MiB you where the cave was the whole time?
Jack questioned Jacob ("There's nothing past the bamboo field") when he was told where the heart of the island was, and Jacob responded he would be able to find it now because he was the protector of the island. Much like how MiB said he walked the entire island and he was only able to find it when Jacob took him back there.
Football God
25 May 2010, 17:06
Jack questioned Jacob ("There's nothing past the bamboo field") when he was told where the heart of the island was, and Jacob responded he would be able to find it now because he was the protector of the island. Much like how MiB said he walked the entire island and he was only able to find it when Jacob took him back there.
Oh i see, that helps thanks :thumbsu:
Lets Beyblade
25 May 2010, 18:03
:)
As frustrating and flawed the show has been at times it will remain my favourite tv shows I have yet to watch. 6 seasons of excitement and extraordinary character building. I don't think I will ever follow a show as closely again as I have followed Lost. The ending didn't provide all the closure I was after really. I mean afterlife and purgatory, I was hoping they didn't go down the religious path. But that doesn't take away from the show. Pretty sad that it's all over now :(
Yeah this is how I feel. I think if you were only concerned about the characters and how their lives played out then you would be very happy with the finale. If you were wanting massive answers about the freaky island then you would be slightly jaded. I sit in the middle. I was content with the ending without being amazed.
Pretty funny the amount of people who think they all died in the initial plane crash.
ObaMartins
25 May 2010, 18:09
Alright, so that was pretty epic. Not what I was expecting and was pretty disapointed at first but after reading the Bad Rabot wrap up it does clear a few things up.
A truely amazing series and it is such a shame its finished.
I like that take on things.
Me too.
Gasometer
25 May 2010, 19:38
Well I'm a sentimental type and bawled on and off through the last 15 minutes. Maybe I am just over tired, but even analysing the last couple of hours upsets me now.
LOST has been woven into my life these past 6 years and I will miss it.
I took it for what it was & forever will wonder about the questions that the show posed.
For me a beautiful ending to a show I will sorely miss. :(
Goodbye LOST.
Gaso
the ranger
25 May 2010, 19:40
Still not sure what I think of it. First reaction was annoyance that they didn't bother answering half the questions that had us tuning in every week during the early seasons. Second was annoyance at the cheesy religious ending. Just trying to decide which was more annoying, really.
Still not sure what I think of it. First reaction was annoyance that they didn't bother answering half the questions that had us tuning in every week during the early seasons. Second was annoyance at the cheesy religious ending. Just trying to decide which was more annoying, really.
Which answers did you want? They answered a stack in the final season.
Gasometer
25 May 2010, 19:51
I'm with you SJ.
Reading the web today (all US) you have to wonder if people have been watching the show for 6 years or the last episodes.
As we crept through the 100 odd episodes we discovered lots..
and those that weren't will be what we will be discussing in 20 years time and that makes LOST timeless.
Gaso
For those who wanted more answers in the finale:
http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/wait-polarizing-is-a-bad-thing/
And yet, think about what would have happened had they actually provided answers. First, most people would hate them. “Uh… the whispers are the bad people stuck in an island purgatory?? That is LAME,” shouted many when they finally answered that question. “So let me get this straight… after 5 years of documenting every single frakkin’ use of those six numbers, they just HAPPEN to be the random freakin’ numbers that Jacob used when he was listing off the candidates? Oh my GOD that is stupid,” said many people when they revealed THAT one.
Without sounding totally sycophantic here, I actually was fine with both of those answers. I thought they happened a little abruptly, with Hurley saying, “Hey, I think I know what the whispers are!” in one, and Smokey saying, “Jacob had a thing for numbers” in the second one.
So if they’d come out and said, “This is what the island is. And this is what that shiny light was. Oh, and Jacob and his brother actually turned out to be nothing more than this. And this is the sideways world… and this is how the Dharma Initiative found the island… and the Others originated by this…” we would all be sitting here right now simply debating whether or not we liked their answers. But look what we’re doing instead – we’re talking, REALLY talking about what this series was about, and what it meant to us.
http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/wait-polarizing-is-a-bad-thing/
Reading the web today (all US) you have to wonder if people have been watching the show for 6 years or the last episodes.
Same applies for AUS. If these "journalists" took maybe 2 minutes to think about what was going on, then they'd realise what the flash-sideways is instead of saying "They've been dead the whole time."
the ranger
25 May 2010, 20:10
Which answers did you want? They answered a stack in the final season.
Why was Walt special?
What was up with the magic numbers?
What made Desmond so special?
Why did pregnant women die giving birth on the island..except Claire?
What was Widmore's plan when he first came on the scene?
What was the sickness all about?
Why could Jacob leave the island but the smoke dude couldn't?
What would happen if the smoke got off the island? Why?
I'm sure there's more. I'm not comfortable with the "the answers don't matter" line of thinking. If they didn't matter, I'd have stopped watching years ago.
Gasometer
25 May 2010, 20:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagGI_s13sQ
This is worth a look.
gaso
Why was Walt special?
What was up with the magic numbers? Jacob used them as numbers for the candidates. Also not revealed on the show (but as part of the ARGs), they were the factors in the Valenzetti Equation.
What made Desmond so special? Special? He became unique because he was exposed to the EMR when he turned the failsafe key.
Why did pregnant women die giving birth on the island..except Claire? Radiation after the incident.
What was Widmore's plan when he first came on the scene? First came on the scene? He grew up on the island, was the leader of the others, was banished and wanted the power back. Pretty simple.
What was the sickness all about? Depends what you call the sickness. Was the rest of the French expedition sick, or was Rousseau the one sick?
Why could Jacob leave the island but the smoke dude couldn't?
What would happen if the smoke got off the island? Why?
I'm sure there's more. I'm not comfortable with the "the answers don't matter" line of thinking. If they didn't matter, I'd have stopped watching years ago.
Of course they matter. But we got a lot in seasons 5 and 6.
We got some of the above too, see bold (and this is without researching).
Gasometer
25 May 2010, 20:15
Why was Walt special?
What was up with the magic numbers?
What made Desmond so special?
Why did pregnant women die giving birth on the island..except Claire?
What was Widmore's plan when he first came on the scene?
What was the sickness all about?
Why could Jacob leave the island but the smoke dude couldn't?
What would happen if the smoke got off the island? Why?
Most of these have been answered...try here http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
and go for your life.
gaso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagGI_s13sQ
This is worth a look.
gaso
nagGI_s13sQ&hl
There you go.