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Colin D'Cops
17 May 2010, 19:24
Channel 9 at 10:30pm, be there!
* Found out off one of EssendonFC's updates on Facebook.
Nice, I will tune in. Will be interesting to see what he has to say about the Saints game, our form-line and Hille getting off suspension. As well as some of the criticism of him as a coach.
Charliebrow 16
17 May 2010, 19:52
Will definitely be watching.
Call Me Cake
17 May 2010, 20:10
Thanks for the heads up. :thumbsu:
Can't wait.
The Donners
17 May 2010, 20:36
Count the cliches...
Frothies Mcveigh
17 May 2010, 20:55
Looking forward to see what he has to say. No doubt they will talk about the so called ''Knights Bashers''.
"Ya know" Fletcher should've been good for a laugh
:p
"Look I just think that we've got a good core group of players that will help this club move forward."
"I believe we're all about positive development, and guiding these young guys down the path of being the players of tomorrow."
Ben the Gooner
17 May 2010, 22:10
"Look we're happy to get the 4 points, it was a real 8 point game, and we executed our structures and processes well. Now we've just got to look ahead to next week and take it one week at a time, and ensure that our blokes are Cherry Ripe to focus on getting the four points".
james_omahoney
17 May 2010, 22:23
"I'm thinking of doing the flat-top again. What say, Caro?"
"We're always happy to get the choccies".
Grant Thomas: "I like the way you're taking this team, Matthew."
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twentington
17 May 2010, 22:52
First time ive tuned in for footy classifieds; who's that dude in the purple?
Syphoncom
17 May 2010, 22:58
I beg to differ.
james_omahoney
17 May 2010, 22:59
I beg to differ.
beat me to it!
stay true
17 May 2010, 22:59
OK... Knights just said that there is NOT any performance based clauses in his contract....
Now I'm confused.
The Dustbin
17 May 2010, 22:59
Feels as if he has been embraced by the supporters.
He has a good relationship with Hirdy and a good rapport with Lucas and Lloyd. Respects their opinions even though he doesn't always agree.
Had a crack at Hutchy for the wrong line of questioning re Lloyd retiring. Confirmed it was Lloyd's decision to retire, would've been happy if Lloyd played on and played his role in the forward line.
Howlett, Colyer and Melksham to learn from Hayes performance.
Happy to win a tight game yesterday for the development of the team.
Admitted that Paddy and Hille have had slow starts to the year. Was happy with their contribution yesterday. No off field issues with Paddy, is expecting him to go on with it now.
Simon Madden spoke 2 weeks ago to the playing group on what the club meant to him,
Knights is happy for Hille and the players to have a physical presence.
Went for Howlett and Silverlock over Barlow. Support for Myers, Colyer, Melksham. Gave credit to Barlow's season thus far, has no regrest picking up Hardingham, Howlett and Silverlock. Commented on Silverlock superior endurance.
Discussed David Evans interview on TFS a few eeeks ago - No performance clauses in his current contract. Has support from Robson and Evans.
Expectations is to play finals football in 2010. The last 3 weeks have been good.
Talk about beating around the bush in regards to Michae Barlow..
"we are really pleased with the guys we have, young Silverlock, Myers, Howlett another rookie who has come in right from the start"
God, just admit it Matthew.. You ****ed up :rolleyes:
Syphoncom
17 May 2010, 22:59
beat me to it!
Haha, Geez! Not by much :P
Pelkanet
17 May 2010, 23:01
Knights lowered his colours. Someones lying about his contract - him or the President/ Chairman. Dissapointed in the interview as well denies everything even if it means lying...
stay true
17 May 2010, 23:02
Talk about beating around the bush in regards to Michae Barlow..
"we are really pleased with the guys we have, young Silverlock, Myers, Howlett another rookie who has come in right from the start"
God, just admit it Matthew.. You ****ed up :rolleyes:
I'm so over this debate. What's done is done. Plus a coach is not going to say that he should have picked Player X over Player Y, whatever the reason. It achieves nothing but hurting the confidence of Player Y. Gotta love Hutchy and his BF intel and mentality.
james_omahoney
17 May 2010, 23:04
What I gleaned is that there probably are not performance based metrics built into his contract, but that Evans and co will evaluate him on the key indicators like they would any employee. If that employee wasn't performing then a contract can be terminated (with full remuneration for breaking it, of course).
What a waste of time. They focused upon his relationship with Lloyd (get over it you flogs) and his contract. Ok, so this year hasn't gone entirely to plan but we're not dead and buried in the water so his contract is a non-issue.
OK... Knights just said that there is NOT any performance based clauses in his contract....
Now I'm confused.
There is always going to be an impled performance clause.
If we loose every game next year do you expect Knights to see his contract out? What if Knights quantifiably looses the players?
It is ridiculous to suggest that a contract should be honoured to the detriment of the club. Assuming that Knights knows the details of the contract he entered into then there is not an actual clause. As Thomas pointed a club should and will act.
As long as EFC pays the damages for early termination of the contract it is the end of the story.
stay true
17 May 2010, 23:06
What a waste of time. They focused upon his relationship with Lloyd (get over it you flogs) and his contract. Ok, so this year hasn't gone entirely to plan but we're not dead and buried in the water so his contract is a non-issue.
Totally agree. Wouldn't expect anything else from this show considering the panel.
ghostdog
17 May 2010, 23:07
Simon Madden spoke 2 weeks ago to the playing group on what the club meant to him
More of this please. :thumbsu:
On behalf of those not in Victoria, thanks Dustbin.
stay true
17 May 2010, 23:08
There is always going to be an impled performance clause.
If we loose every game next year do you expect Knights to see his contract out? What if Knights quantifiably looses the players?
It is rediculous to suggest that a contract should be honoured to the detriment of the club. Assuming that Knights knows the details of the contract he entered into then there is not actual clause. As long as EFC pays the damages for early termination of the contract it is the end of the story.
And I agree. I meant that Knights just categorically denied everything David Evans said a few weeks ago.
Long_bomb
17 May 2010, 23:08
First time ive tuned in for footy classifieds; who's that dude in the purple?
cam wilson
Talk about beating around the bush in regards to Michae Barlow..
"we are really pleased with the guys we have, young Silverlock, Myers, Howlett another rookie who has come in right from the start"
God, just admit it Matthew.. You ****ed up :rolleyes:
Isn't it eventually the recruiter's decision about choices of player.
This definitely applies in the ND - maybe less so in the PSD and Rookie Draft.
And I agree. I meant that Knight's just categorically denied everything David Evans said a few weeks ago.
What Knights said is that "Clause X.X - Early Termination of Contract" does not appear in the contract.
It is pretty embarrssing for him to have that sort of clause as it is ultimately a lack of confidence by the club. If the clause isn' there then he can't sit on it.
The Dustbin
17 May 2010, 23:21
What Knights said is that "Clause X.X - Early Termination of Contract" does not appear in the contract.
It is pretty embarrssing for him to have that sort of clause as it is ultimately a lack of confidence by the club. If the clause isn' there then he can't sit on it.
What about Grant' response - "I disagree". Knighter flung around, but Hutchy asked the next question... Pretty funny.
sen entertainment bloke
17 May 2010, 23:22
Good interview. Answered the questions straight up and down.
quotemokc
17 May 2010, 23:22
Would watch if the show wasnt absoloute dribble
I didn't like Hutchy questioning Knights about Ryder's daughter.
He's clearly been reading this online, but to bring it up in a very public forum is pretty inappropriate.
stay true
17 May 2010, 23:27
What Knights said is that "Clause X.X - Early Termination of Contract" does not appear in the contract.
It is pretty embarrssing for him to have that sort of clause as it is ultimately a lack of confidence by the club. If the clause isn' there then he can't sit on it.
We're saying exactly the same thing lol.
citizen-erased
17 May 2010, 23:33
I didn't like Hutchy questioning Knights about Ryder's daughter.
He's clearly been reading this online, but to bring it up in a very public forum is pretty inappropriate.
very true and indicative of why people like this shouldnt cover the game.
whatever happened to the good old "personal" reasons and leave it at that.
id say poor form, but it seems to be his form line.
was happy with knights. put a lot to bed. GT stated the obvious around the contract in that every contract is performance based at the end of it all.
happy with the barlow call. esp given what howlett offers up.
hope that is the last of the knights/lloyd crap
Knight Ryders
17 May 2010, 23:43
What I took out of the Barlow comments is that Knights really wants to get Myers, Melksham, Colyer in the middle. That's a plus, but I'd would have also like to have heard one "Zaharakis" on that list, but he seems to have a plan for him as well.
Sounds like he's very impressed with Silverlock, didn't mention Muscles at all.
The thing about Barlow is, 1 season doesn't make a career, just ask woewodin, or cupido, or lovett.
Siverlock and Howlett may yet prove to better players. Time will tell either way. Seems stupid to harp on it now, when one had earnt a spot into the seniors as is playing well, and the other is starting to find his feet at VFL and could be pushing for senior selection by the end of the year. Barlow has been great so far, but lets see if everything is praising him at the end of rd 22 next year.
The issue with Barlow is not whether he will still get the ball in round 22 next year - The guy is a ball magnet - But what hurt factor he will provide with his possessions.
Do you realise that Barlow had a game high 34 possessions against Collingwood - Had a good game but not a great game.
stander
18 May 2010, 08:24
What I took out of the Barlow comments is that Knights really wants to get Myers, Melksham, Colyer in the middle. That's a plus, but I'd would have also like to have heard one "Zaharakis" on that list, but he seems to have a plan for him as well.
Sounds like he's very impressed with Silverlock, didn't mention Muscles at all.
Didn't mention Neagle either, when discussing the forwards, Hurley Gumbeleton and Zaharakis. Wonder why.
Looks like D Evans should stay out of talk over contracts as he got it all wrong. Knights was itching to set the record straight over his own contract.
TeamHurley
18 May 2010, 08:54
The thing about Barlow is, 1 season doesn't make a career, just ask woewodin, or cupido, or lovett.
Siverlock and Howlett may yet prove to better players. Time will tell either way. Seems stupid to harp on it now, when one had earnt a spot into the seniors as is playing well, and the other is starting to find his feet at VFL and could be pushing for senior selection by the end of the year. Barlow has been great so far, but lets see if everything is praising him at the end of rd 22 next year.
Barlow is a freak. Just knows where to be on the footy field. I would trade any of our rookies in a flash for Barlow.. Would probably trade some senior players as well.
Azarity
18 May 2010, 09:44
Didn't mention Neagle either, when discussing the forwards, Hurley Gumbeleton and Zaharakis. Wonder why.
Looks like D Evans should stay out of talk over contracts as he got it all wrong. Knights was itching to set the record straight over his own contract.
Spot on!! He specifically didn't mention Neagle as he will have egg on his face. Letting Lloyd retire for Neagle to play full forward (in the reserves) what a joke. Of course he (Lloyd) will be playing for us last weekend. I actually like the fact that Neagle is being treated like that. I remember stating that this guy will never be any good last year. Wrong attitude. Thought that someone in the panel should have bought this obvious omission up...
bombre-boy
18 May 2010, 09:45
happy with the barlow call. esp given what howlett offers up.
How can you be happy with this aspect!
He avoided answering the question completly.
Just would not admit that they ballsed this one up completly.
Football supporters are not idiots.
If Knights thinks that we are ahead by comparing Silverlock and Hardingham and co who are playing at bendigo, with someone who has played 8 games straight in an AFL side that has won 6 from 8 games, then he is deluded.
The rest of the interview was the standard cliche laden pile of smoked lunch meat that was expected...
How can you be happy with this aspect!
He avoided answering the question completly.
Just would not admit that they ballsed this one up completly.
Football supporters are not idiots.
If Knights thinks that we are ahead by comparing Silverlock and Hardingham and co who are playing at bendigo, with someone who has played 8 games straight in an AFL side that has won 6 from 8 games, then he is deluded.
No, you're deluded if you think a head coach is effectively going to bag one of his own in admitting ballsing up player x over y.
He may curse inside every day, but he will never publicly admit it, at least whilst the alternative player is on the list.
stander
18 May 2010, 10:01
Spot on!! He specifically didn't mention Neagle as he will have egg on his face. Letting Lloyd retire for Neagle to play full forward (in the reserves) what a joke. Of course he (Lloyd) will be playing for us last weekend. I actually like the fact that Neagle is being treated like that. I remember stating that this guy will never be any good last year. Wrong attitude. Thought that someone in the panel should have bought this obvious omission up...
The thrust of MK's comments on the forward set up was that Lloyd was earmarked to play a role amongst many options and targets. Lloyd believed he wasn't up to it and Mk suported any decision Lloyd chose to make. It's now becoming apparent that Merv's boy is not living up to his side of the deal and MK is now diverging to other options, as a good dynamic coach should.
Azarity
18 May 2010, 10:15
The thrust of MK's comments on the forward set up was that Lloyd was earmarked to play a role amongst many options and targets. Lloyd believed he wasn't up to it and Mk suported any decision Lloyd chose to make. It's now becoming apparent that Merv's boy is not living up to his side of the deal and MK is now diverging to other options, as a good dynamic coach should.
Think it is more of a case of counting your chickens before they hatch. I tell you what, he is lucky that Gumbleton is playing and isn't injured this year so far. Otherwise he would have a forward line consisting of only Hurley (who still is to prove himself as a true forward - and looked good in defense last game). St Kilda will tell you that you can't count on a resting ruckman to kick goals. They are more of an addition to a forward line than a key element that you can build a forward line around.
Ben the Gooner
18 May 2010, 12:01
What a shit interview from a bunch of muck-rakers. Compared with Rocket's interview On The Couch, and Knighter's interview On The Couch, there were no insightful or interesting questions.
We're leading the comp for tackles, and I think still contested possessions, Scott Gumbleton has played 8 consecutive games and shown plenty, Jake Melksham, Travis Colyer and Ben Howlett have come on quicker than anyone thought, we've played three consecutive very good games, yet all we hear about is Knights' contract and Lloydy's retirement. :rolleyes:
Was very pleased with how Knighter handled himself though. Despite the cliches, I think he presents himself well in the media, and does a good job promoting the club.
I was a little surprised that Hardingham was only mentioned in passing during the Barlow (:rolleyes:) question, given he was the only pick before Barlow on the day. A simple answer of "Losing Adam McPhee and gaining a PSD pick wasn't part of our plan prior to trade week and list lodgement day, so we used the pick we gained to replace him. Fremantle then drafted Barlow taking the matter out of our hands" would have put the issue to bed.
I was a little surprised that Hardingham was only mentioned in passing during the Barlow (:rolleyes:) question, given he was the only pick before Barlow on the day. A simple answer of "Losing Adam McPhee and gaining a PSD pick wasn't part of our plan prior to trade week and list lodgement day, so we used the pick we gained to replace him. Fremantle then drafted Barlow taking the matter out of our hands" would have put the issue to bed.This.
The whole time I was waiting for it. It's all he needed to say.
Stuffed up on that answer. Oh well.
DapperDon
18 May 2010, 13:37
People need to stop watching this show, all the hosts want from interviews are headlines the following day.
Seriously, watch South Park it's on the same time.
OzBomber
18 May 2010, 15:56
Feels as if he has been embraced by the supporters.
Really? That's not what everyone has been saying this year. :o I swear he mentions this in every interview he rakes part in.
Skeeta Olly
18 May 2010, 16:19
Pretty much admitted they ****ed up the Barlow decision.
DapperDon
18 May 2010, 16:22
FFS, 16 teams passed on Barlow not just Essendon.
Even Fremantle didn't get him in the national draft, can we let this subject go?
Ben the Gooner
18 May 2010, 16:26
Really? That's not what everyone has been saying this year. :o I swear he mentions this in every interview he rakes part in.
Well he's asked the question every time.
Skeeta Olly
18 May 2010, 16:28
FFS, 16 teams passed on Barlow not just Essendon.
Even Fremantle didn't get him in the national draft, can we let this subject go?
Just commenting on what Knights said.
Tbh, I couldn't give a shit.
DapperDon
18 May 2010, 16:45
Just commenting on what Knights said.
Tbh, I couldn't give a shit.
Yeah, not having a go at you Olly, just sick of the subject.
FFS, he even said you get some right, you get some wrong, we need nothing more.
Who even knows if Barlow will be doing what he's doing in a few years, good start by the kid, hope he can keep it up, then he'll be a real good player.
Based on only seeing 2 or 3 Freo games, Barlow has a bit of Priddis about him for mine.
Immediate impact, ball magnet, slightly unorthodox, limited scope for potential.
I think in 2 years he'll be pretty much at the level he is now, or maybe even below when teams know to shut him down. That's not a knock, but a positive way I've looked at it.
Hirdman
18 May 2010, 18:54
Based on only seeing 2 or 3 Freo games, Barlow has a bit of Priddis about him for mine.
Immediate impact, ball magnet, slightly unorthodox, limited scope for potential.
I think in 2 years he'll be pretty much at the level he is now, or maybe even below when teams know to shut him down. That's not a knock, but a positive way I've looked at it.
Maybe.....he'd still probably scrap into our centre square.
Based on only seeing 2 or 3 Freo games, Barlow has a bit of Priddis about him for mine.
Immediate impact, ball magnet, slightly unorthodox, limited scope for potential.
I think in 2 years he'll be pretty much at the level he is now, or maybe even below when teams know to shut him down. That's not a knock, but a positive way I've looked at it.
Whomb
Barlow doesnt need to improve much more - His current level is more than adequate.
I laughed when Knights was asked- Whether he has been embraced by the supporter group.
The question should have been - Matthew have you been embraced by the media ?
It is well known that the media weren't supportive of Knight's appointment.
Think it is more of a case of counting your chickens before they hatch. I tell you what, he is lucky that Gumbleton is playing and isn't injured this year so far. Otherwise he would have a forward line consisting of only Hurley (who still is to prove himself as a true forward - and looked good in defense last game). St Kilda will tell you that you can't count on a resting ruckman to kick goals. They are more of an addition to a forward line than a key element that you can build a forward line around.
It's called planning for the future.
Lloyd was asked to play a different role in order for our younger forwards in Neagle, Gumbelton and Hurley to further develop. In the end he chose to retire.
We may win a game or two more in the short term with Llyod playing out of the square but in the long run we will be better off, even if Neagle doesn't make it. We were never in the run for a falg this year so why stiffle the development of our youth in favour of winning 1 or two more games.
Just have a look at Brisbane to see how they go with two older forwards. Yes they've won a few game this year but now both players are battling injury. It would be interesting to see how things look in two years time to see which team's forward line becomes more potent.
Based on only seeing 2 or 3 Freo games, Barlow has a bit of Priddis about him for mine.
Immediate impact, ball magnet, slightly unorthodox, limited scope for potential.
I think in 2 years he'll be pretty much at the level he is now, or maybe even below when teams know to shut him down. That's not a knock, but a positive way I've looked at it.
I've watched most of Freo's games, the only one I missed funnily enough was the Fremantle V Essendon game, and he not only is a ball magnet but he is also a very smart decision maker. He runs to the right spaces, similar to Stanton, he is a gut runner except he is always running forward of the ball where as Stanton is running behind the ball. You say limited scope for improvement but he doesn't really need to improve that much he is already averaging 30 odd possessions in his first season of football. He is a far better player than Priddis already in his first season of football.
Ben the Gooner
19 May 2010, 11:23
I've watched Barlow very closely, as he's in my Dream Team, and I've noticed he's the master of the 1-2 handball rather than kicking. That boosts his possession count a bit artificially.
I've watched most of Freo's games, the only one I missed funnily enough was the Fremantle V Essendon game, and he not only is a ball magnet but he is also a very smart decision maker. He runs to the right spaces, similar to Stanton, he is a gut runner except he is always running forward of the ball where as Stanton is running behind the ball. You say limited scope for improvement but he doesn't really need to improve that much he is already averaging 30 odd possessions in his first season of football. He is a far better player than Priddis already in his first season of football.Thanks for ruining my optimism. :p
bacon buster
19 May 2010, 12:02
can't believe the question about barlow really.
yes, barlow has been good so far. but it's 8 round into a season. when you make a decision on a player, you don't judge him 8 games in, you give them time.
barlow appears a better player than howlett for now, and he may always be, but lets judge them at the end of the season, or even the season after?
The comparison is - or should be - with Hardingham.
That is who we took instead of Barlow with the last spot on our senior list. By all accounts we planned on taking Barlow with our first rookie selection, but Fremantle swooped, so we took Howlett.
It does gut me that we overlooked him, but we're yet to see what Hardingham can do; despite being 21, he might be someone that takes until 23 or 24 of age to blossom. Also, as has been stated literally hundreds of times, 16 other clubs overlooked Barlow.
Nowhere near as bad as Richmond overlooking Buddy (twice) and Pavlich (for Aaron Fiora).
Slattery_20
19 May 2010, 12:18
The comparison is - or should be - with Hardingham.
Not necessarily.
How about Klemke, Carroll, whoever the hell else we got 2 years ago??? Barlow was available then. He was passed over, by every club, 15 times+.
Build bridges, people.
Not necessarily.
How about Klemke, Carroll, whoever the hell else we got 2 years ago??? Barlow was available then. He was passed over, by every club, 15 times+.
Build bridges, people.True. Good point.
james_omahoney
19 May 2010, 19:43
Is there really someone called Nile Ranger?
Ben the Gooner
19 May 2010, 20:22
Is there really someone called Nile Ranger?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_Ranger
antongrbac
20 May 2010, 13:21
thought knighta looked under pressure and decidely uncomfortable at various times throught the interview in particular when asked about David Evans TV performance and mention of KPIs and performance based contract
While Knighta prob answered OK ...what would David Evans have thought of his answer I wonder...clearly both cant be right ??
at the end of the day if the Bombers dont make the 8 ...contracts wont matter
EFC will obviously assess if they want to stick with knighta at the end of the season
so thats a KPI in itself ...whether or not its written into the contract ....
Also, as has been stated literally hundreds of times, 16 other clubs overlooked Barlow.
Nowhere near as bad as Richmond overlooking Buddy (twice) and Pavlich (for Aaron Fiora).
1. Adelaide
2. Brisbane
3. Carlton
4. Collingwood
5. Geelong
6. Hawthorn
7. Melbourne
8. North Melbourne
9. Port Adelaide
10. Richmond
11. St. Kilda
12. Sydney
13. West Coast
14. Western Bulldogs
15. ???
16. Profit?
GC17 and GWS? ;)
Skeeta Olly
20 May 2010, 14:19
Technically GC17 did.
No technicality about it; GC17 had what, 5 rookie selections? They overlooked him.
Freo overlooked him for years throughout the national, pre-season and rookie drafts.
16 clubs, 17 including us.
thought knighta looked under pressure and decidely uncomfortable at various times throught the interview in particular when asked about David Evans TV performance and mention of KPIs and performance based contract
While Knighta prob answered OK ...what would David Evans have thought of his answer I wonder...clearly both cant be right ??
...
Since when did David Evans say that Essendon had an out clause in the contract? He was asked the question and didn't give a clear answer one way or the other only said that Knights has a contract until 2012 and the board fully support him.
I'm sure if he doesn;t perform, then he will be paid out but I don;t agree with the idea that Evans and Knights contradicted each other.
Knight Ryders
20 May 2010, 23:08
I would have thought that Knights and co would have thought that we already have a lot of player similar to Barlow; that is, mids without exceptional pace but ball magnets. I don't think anyone would have foreseen Barlow's adaptation to AFL ranks. It's very unlikely that Hardingham, Silverlock or Howlett for that matter will ever be as good as Barlow, but I can see what Knights and co were thinking in not picking him up.
Call Me Cake
21 May 2010, 07:20
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lemon chicken
21 May 2010, 16:51
I would have thought that Knights and co would have thought that we already have a lot of player similar to Barlow; that is, mids without exceptional pace but ball magnets. I don't think anyone would have foreseen Barlow's adaptation to AFL ranks. It's very unlikely that Hardingham, Silverlock or Howlett for that matter will ever be as good as Barlow, but I can see what Knights and co were thinking in not picking him up.
Agree with this. Im not sure Barlow would have been as good fit for our midfield as he has been for Freo. People also need to realise he never played in the U/18 comp so he flew under the radar of scouts for a while. Im with Knights on Silverlock, has Stanton's running ability and gets front centre to a lot of contests, if he sorts out his kicking he could be a gem.