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Mudholian
16 Mar 2001, 17:22
Well since the great man is suitably farewelled it might be ok to ask now- Why do sporting performances of the past exceed by far current performances? The champions of the past are so far above their peers that it makes today's performances by a few stars seem very even by comparison.

In the Don's case, Professor Charles Davies argued that according to the curve of normal distribution, Bradman's performance was so extraordinary that it ranked in the top, not one million, not one billion, but top 10 billion. Now that is so far in excess of the normal curve of ability that it seems impossible, since if we waited for the end of the world as we know it another Bradman would not appear.

However, Davies' appears to have no measure of standard deviation. It compares the averages of Bradman's best performed contemporaries. But the range of ability was far greater in Bradman's era. Bowlers at first grade level ranged from the very good to the bloody awful as did batsmen. The playing field is much more level these days and much more expansive.

In the US, where baseball statistical analysis is an of an academic obsession, the fact has been clearly established according to sound statistical analysis. Batting and pitching performances are increasingly dispersed the further back one looks.

This relates to how a country like Australia could excel, in the post war era, far above what one would expect of a population of 8 million. Once other countries had regained some normality and the proportion of young males increased, more people were competing for more elite sporting positions. Australia's performances, say, in tennis, began to appear merely average.

Extraordinary feats will remain rooted in the past. Look at those old memorable grand finals. You'll see legends doing things that today are run of the mill, you'll see marks of the century- "Jesulenko!!!" that now happen once a week.

While certain individuals these days come close, such as Lockett, on the whole, the days of the sporting freak, like the Don, are over.

Mud

sbagman
16 Mar 2001, 17:30
Fair point I think. Professionalism is now rampant in sports, there are higher levels of fitness, overall with more money in the game, the standard overall is increased, reducing the amount by which a "champion" (whatever that means) will rise above the pack.

For what it's worth though, I think Bradman will always have a special place in the Australian hearts not only for the fact that he was the best batsman the world has ever seen (I will not comment on comparisons since) but also the spirit in which he played the game, and rose above the tactics of the English in the Bodyline series. He was a true sportsman and ambassador for the game, a game in which sportsmanship once held pride of place at ist heart... whether the same can be said now is another story.

Cheers,
Sbagman.


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Dipper
16 Mar 2001, 18:40
Q-Was the Don really so good?
A-Undoubtably

Same Old's
16 Mar 2001, 18:50
Shouldn't this post be on the cricket board?

(I'm doing Bluey's job here, he he)

WCE2000
16 Mar 2001, 18:54
I already explained this a while back. But the reason the Don was so good was because of his techniques.

you can't compare a current day player to a 30's player because they're techniques were so different.

You can only compare player (from any sport) against players from the same sport and the same era and decide on who was the most dominate and that was Bradman, without any doubt in the world.

Just about every sportsmen has had at least 1 equal (and closer to 4 or 5) in their own time.
When we had Ted Whitten, there was Farmer, Nicholls and Skliton.
When Gary Sobers was around, there was Morris, Benaud, Miller, Hutton, Bedser, Weekes, the list goes on.
In other sports, Jordan as far as i know, didn't have equals, but he had other players, who were not far behind him.

Don Bradman. Name one person who doesn't get utterly embarassed when you compare their performances with Bradman's from the 20's 30's and 40's.
There no one. Even players like Barrington, Larwood, Ponsford, Grimmett, Hammond (i don't expect all of you to know them). These players all had great records, yet fall in to insignificance when compared with Bradman.

And the reason Bradman was so good was because of his batting technique. it was so far ahead of his time. He was like a 90's batter batting in the 30's.
The bowlers had never encountared anyone with a technique like him, and thus he was able to average nearly 100.

It's like if someone was to come into the cricket world today with a technique similar to what would be expected of a 2050's batsman. Maybe a quicker backswing, quicker footwork. That player would be average around the 100 mark like Bradman did, because they're both around 50 years ahead their time.

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[This message has been edited by WCE2000 (edited 15 March 2001).]

ah_19
16 Mar 2001, 18:54
wtih bradman its not about sport
i dont see him and never will see his as an amazing sportsman, what people respect about him is his integrity, its what i admired about him, if he didnt have that i wouldnt have thought anything special of him.

i have great respect for the way he acted, most importantly he treated everyone as an equal and NEVER displayed any arrogance (which i would LOVE to see in a sportsman today) but also gave his time and effort to being a good person. thats something to be admired

Dan26
16 Mar 2001, 18:56
A.) Cricket is a game which has not changed much over time. Most other sports have changed a hell of a lot more.

B.) Everything is relative. You can compare Bradmans batting performance to his teammates of the same era and he was twice as good as them. Using the theory of relativity, I have no doubt he would have been just as good in the modern era. Training methods and professionalism may change, but inate athletic ability does not change.

The Don was every bit as good as his records indicate. He was a one in a billion, and I'm sure he would average somewhere between 95-105 if he played today.

WCE2000
16 Mar 2001, 19:00
Originally posted by Dan24:
A.) Cricket is a game which has not changed much over time. Most other sports have changed a hell of a lot more.


Dan, i can tell you cricket has changed a hell of a lot. During my hay day in the 70's, the game was very different technique wise to today.

You've all probably seen those tapes of bowlers from the 50's bowling with slingshot type actions.
And the batsmen seem very stodgy and not as free flowing.

I know from the outside it doesn't seem like it changed alot.
I won't hold that against you, because you didn't have the benefit i did of playing during the 70s.
I guess its easier to feel the change rather than to see it, if you know what i mean.

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