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BomberTime
23 May 2010, 19:38
Clearly he is a good coach to turn Bendigo around but he also must have serious problems away from football.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/former-north-melbourne-player-shannon-grant-locked-up-for-drunkenness/story-e6frf7jo-1225870243317
Do we want him coaching our youth?
Yes and No. Has turned around the team so well but the negative role model he will put on them. Leaning towards wanting him to keep on coaching because he has turned Bendigo around immensely and his behaviour may not effect the players. If their not the ones he's drinking with....
Fence sitter for now.
jonesy86
23 May 2010, 19:56
I'd be staggered if an AFL club kept a coach on after they were out on the piss and the end result was being put in the slammer for a while. How unprofessional can you get?
I'm still staggered how the Roosters coach in the NRL kept his job after a similar incident IIRC last season.
bipolarbeaR
23 May 2010, 19:58
Yeah that's VERY bad, you're not only teaching the game you're also a role model.
Will see if more comes about before making a judgement.
The Dice Man
23 May 2010, 21:17
Very disappointing.
Skeeta Olly
23 May 2010, 21:19
Bendigo fabric torn..
BY THE COACH!
Ben the Gooner
23 May 2010, 21:51
Keep in mind it was probably his only weekend off for a long while.
Still disappointing.
lemon chicken
23 May 2010, 22:03
Very disappointing. Have heard stories about his behaviour at club functions whilst in charge of Frankston and makes me not surprised at this article. Cant handle the booze then he shouldn't be on it.
nickh32
23 May 2010, 22:15
Shouldnt be allowed to coach now because the boys will think the coach can drink so can we or if they miss training after a big night its not like he can say you shouldnt be doing that its not on.
Donakebab
24 May 2010, 00:22
Shouldnt be allowed to coach now because the boys will think the coach can drink so can we or if they miss training after a big night its not like he can say you shouldnt be doing that its not on.
Whilst I agree that he should be stood down temporarily, if not permanently (once the full story is known of course), if any player would think that it's okay to get completely blotto and get arrested then they don't deserve to be on the list.
zacka123
24 May 2010, 00:27
If he was only drunk let it be.
He is probably safe if Voss can be a head coach after his antics at the Esplanade Hotel.
bipolarbeaR
24 May 2010, 02:23
If Grant has kicked a Cabbie then we know who the real role model at fault is.
FandangoDingo
24 May 2010, 03:18
Oh FFS....
http://hollywooddame.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ricky_garvis.jpg
Shouldnt be allowed to coach now because the boys will think the coach can drink so can we or if they miss training after a big night its not like he can say you shouldnt be doing that its not on.
**** me, they're not 5 year olds
Eleven 38
24 May 2010, 07:32
dont see how this would change anything, everyone knows what he is like and should have known there was always a chance he would get into trouble!
Slattery_20
24 May 2010, 07:32
Club needs to be pretty positive about their actions here and set a tough example. Allegedly this is why the shit hit the fan at Franga.
Longy413
24 May 2010, 08:10
Was in Bendigo watching an inter-league match apparently, so working on his weekend off.
Went to a sponsors pub with Bendigo officials after the match.
His old man went back to the hotel early, when Grant got back, his old man was asleep and had the only key to the room. He made some noise trying to get his attention and a complaint was made.
He wasn't charged, he didn't hurt anyone, he didn't argue with police and I'm sure is pretty embarrassed by his actions. Hardly a sackable offense, I wouldn't have thought.
Mr Mojo Risin
24 May 2010, 10:20
Was in Bendigo watching an inter-league match apparently, so working on his weekend off.
Went to a sponsors pub with Bendigo officials after the match.
His old man went back to the hotel early, when Grant got back, his old man was asleep and had the only key to the room. He made some noise trying to get his attention and a complaint was made.
He wasn't charged, he didn't hurt anyone, he didn't argue with police and I'm sure is pretty embarrassed by his actions. Hardly a sackable offense, I wouldn't have thought.
Nice to see some sense. :thumbsu:
The bloke got drunk, big ******* deal. :rolleyes:
Cheers for the insight, Longy!
stander
24 May 2010, 14:47
His old man went back to the hotel early, when Grant got back, his old man was asleep and had the only key to the room. He made some noise trying to get his attention and a complaint was made.
He wasn't charged, he didn't hurt anyone, he didn't argue with police and I'm sure is pretty embarrassed by his actions. Hardly a sackable offense, I wouldn't have thought.
Wonder why the cops didn't let him rest comfortably in the motel with his old man instead of a cold cell in Bendigo? Not a good look for the club to be associated with a drunk and disorderly Grant driven around in the back of a divvy van. Borderline termination; Knights would lose a fair bit of respect in the BB coach.
WeAreEssendon
24 May 2010, 16:12
Sackable offence I reckon. He has priors and I was surprised to see him appointed coach of Bendigo with the culture we are trying to push.
I don't buy the Longy story. Seems too cushy. The cops aren't going to waste their time locking someone up unless there's good reason.
Giggidy Giggidy
24 May 2010, 16:28
Sackable offence I reckon. He has priors and I was surprised to see him appointed coach of Bendigo with the culture we are trying to push.
I don't buy the Longy story. Seems too cushy. The cops aren't going to waste their time locking someone up unless there's good reason.
Let's not go overboard yet. He was locked-up for 4 hours, which is what they do to people deemed to be 'drunk in a public place', & then generally release them without charge. Now I don't know about you, but I, and most people I know, are technically drunk in a public place at some pont most weekends, which I don't see as a major issue. The police could drag you away while you're on a tram home from the pub; hailing a taxi or whatever; it just depends on their discretion to interpret the law.
Most would turn the blind eye unless you are causing trouble, or your safety is a concern, but there are others that would lock him up just cause they can.
lemon chicken
24 May 2010, 20:41
I don't buy the Longy story. Seems too cushy. The cops aren't going to waste their time locking someone up unless there's good reason.
Me neither. I think he might have a gig in the clubs PR dept. Banging on a door of a hotel room isnt really a public place and if it wasnt late at night wouldnt the reception have a key to let him in. We are talking about a bloke who pisses on the carpet in front of a room full of people at a club social function. When he drinks he is a disgrace.
The Donners
24 May 2010, 20:48
If you believe what you read I wouldn't condone it but I'm also not that precious. Then again I'm not one to get hysterical from media build-ups and I don't consider myself to be self-righteous.
Disappointing to hear but it sounds like the right punishment. 1 week seems a bit weak (ie slap on the wrist) while 2 weeks sends a bit more of a msg to everyone involved at Bendigo.
Everyone needs a release every now and then so long as they're not harming/abusing anyone.
Who will be the match day coach for Bendigo ?
Longy413
25 May 2010, 08:15
Yep, sorry I made it all up.
Cops are never ones to target someone with a reputation or profile and go a little overboard.
4 hours in the lock up is pretty standard for that sort of thing. The bloke was blind, big deal. He didn't throw a punch, he didn't resist arrest, he just had a few too many on a week off and made a bit of noise.
Who will be the match day coach for Bendigo ?
Muscles
.. is gonna save the day!
TheDon35
25 May 2010, 11:22
Pathetic... Hardly unpredictable but pathetic nontheless.
In an age where coaches sit freely on moral high ground as judge and jury on every miniscule event that occurs outside football, for him to get locked up for D & D is nothing short of a disgrace.
Was a renouned piss head as senior coach of Frankston last year.
Players cop 4 weeks for less. A coach should be judged in these events on a scale at least 5 times greater than a player.
stander
25 May 2010, 12:46
Yep, sorry I made it all up.
Cops are never ones to target someone with a reputation or profile and go a little overboard.
4 hours in the lock up is pretty standard for that sort of thing. The bloke was blind, big deal. He didn't throw a punch, he didn't resist arrest, he just had a few too many on a week off and made a bit of noise.
Don't blame the cops, getting called out to deal with an obnoxious drunk is a waste of time and resources.
Binge drinking and getting blind for this bloke is a big deal. It's a sympton of deeper problems.
Making light of binge drinking and getting blind is a sad reflection of what must be your attitude to healthier lifestyle choices.
VB is nice
25 May 2010, 12:53
Pathetic... Hardly unpredictable but pathetic nontheless.
In an age where coaches sit freely on moral high ground as judge and jury on every miniscule event that occurs outside football, for him to get locked up for D & D is nothing short of a disgrace.
Was a renouned piss head as senior coach of Frankston last year.
Players cop 4 weeks for less. A coach should be judged in these events on a scale at least 5 times greater than a player.
agree 100%. exactly what we dont need trying to build up support in the region. the side is going well after years of battling, this is the last thing we need.
Longy413
25 May 2010, 13:55
Don't blame the cops, getting called out to deal with an obnoxious drunk is a waste of time and resources.
I don't. They acted accordingly.
Binge drinking and getting blind for this bloke is a big deal. It's a sympton of deeper problems.
It isn't effecting his ability to do his job.
Making light of binge drinking and getting blind is a sad reflection of what must be your attitude to healthier lifestyle choices.
Make any judgment of me you like.
It's legal and a choice. If you don't partake in binge drinking, then go for your life, but don't judge others for partaking in a legal practice.
I binge from time to time and am comfortable with it and anyone else who chooses to do the same.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspx"That'll be a mix of Essendon assistants, plus Hayden Skipworth will probably come to prominence a little bit more in the coaching aspect in the next two weeks," Knights said.http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspx
Player coach. Interesting.
Slattery_20
25 May 2010, 15:41
I've got no real problem if he gets out on the cans, even if he does it to excess, but surely he should have been smart enough to organise a lift or a taxi. Just dumb IMHO.
Longy413
25 May 2010, 16:30
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspxhttp://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspx
Player coach. Interesting.
Doesn't David Teague do it at the Bullants?
I've got no real problem if he gets out on the cans, even if he does it to excess, but surely he should have been smart enough to organise a lift or a taxi. Just dumb IMHO.
He got back to his hotel fine, he just couldn't get into his room.
Doesn't David Teague do it at the Bullants?Yeah, it's just a bit of a rarity these days.
Wasn't suggesting anything, I just thought it was a bit of a novelty.
stander
25 May 2010, 18:49
I don't. They acted accordingly.
It isn't effecting his ability to do his job.
Make any judgment of me you like.
It's legal and a choice. If you don't partake in binge drinking, then go for your life, but don't judge others for partaking in a legal practice.
I binge from time to time and am comfortable with it and anyone else who chooses to do the same.
Why mention the cops targeting a person with a profile in the first place?
You're getting mixed up. It is affecting his ability to do his job because he can't even get on the ground to ply his trade.
What's the difference between judging you or anyone else who binge drinks.
Drinking is legal, but please don't use binge drinking as legal in this context. It's an unhealthy lifestyle choice, and the players at BB don't need the coach actively binge drinking with all it's consequences. I won't use partaking because once again, it's ridiculous in this context.
Getting blind as the target of binge drinking is mindless.
lemon chicken
25 May 2010, 20:22
It isn't effecting his ability to do his job.
It is. Frankston didnt want him for this exact reason. They didnt have the resources to buy players and their only hope of survival is to become family orientated and promote the young local talent. They've tried to establish a social partnership with the local netball club yet when the senior coach couldnt contain himself at functions he had to go.
He got back to his hotel fine, he just couldn't get into his room.
I seem to remember us having that issue many times at the Gold Coast Slattery20! ;)
TheDon35
26 May 2010, 06:59
It is. Frankston didnt want him for this exact reason. They didnt have the resources to buy players and their only hope of survival is to become family orientated and promote the young local talent. They've tried to establish a social partnership with the local netball club yet when the senior coach couldnt contain himself at functions he had to go.
Was a contributing reason but there were others including money and poor communication at times.
He was regarded as exceptional in his tactical nouse but unquestionably had what you'd deem 'major' flaws.
With a strengthened side he looks like he's getting the results on the board this year but it's besid the point. If your reserves coach gets locked up for drunk and dissorderly, 2 weeks is a pathetic punishment.
I'm with the others in here. I love a drink and to be honest, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter a great deal. But if you want to create rules for players that are now so incredibly strict that they have to watch their every step, for a coach to get locked up for being a dribbling mess is not fair on the playing group and... sorry.... but you (the coaches) made a rod for your back. Double standards.
Bombers36
26 May 2010, 08:51
After hearing some of the rumours circulating around the St.Kilda football club this morning this seems like a fairly minor issue....
We can always rely on the Saints to take the bad publicity away from our club. JeffDunne is rumoured to be the mother of the child.
Longy413
26 May 2010, 12:48
Why mention the cops targeting a person with a profile in the first place?
I didn't say they did in this case, I just said it's not uncommon.
You're getting mixed up. It is affecting his ability to do his job because he can't even get on the ground to ply his trade.
No, the suspension is.
The suspension is an unjust consequence of his actions.
McVeigh missed one week for being out blind and missing training.
Hurley got blind and "allegedly" beat a taxi driver and missed three weeks.
Grant, went out on a week off, on a day where he actually went above and beyond by going to work anyway and got two weeks.
Something doesn't add up there.
Drinking is legal, but please don't use binge drinking as legal in this context. It's an unhealthy lifestyle choice, and the players at BB don't need the coach actively binge drinking with all it's consequences. I won't use partaking because once again, it's ridiculous in this context.
Getting blind as the target of binge drinking is mindless.
It is legal, 100% completely legal.
Somewhere along the line we as AFL supporters have to stop being the moral police. Shannon Grant went out on a weekend off and was in a position to be at training on Monday. It had no impact on his ability to coach the team, a team that he has done an exceptional job with.
It is. Frankston didnt want him for this exact reason. They didnt have the resources to buy players and their only hope of survival is to become family orientated and promote the young local talent. They've tried to establish a social partnership with the local netball club yet when the senior coach couldnt contain himself at functions he had to go.
Frankston gave him a three year deal and in year two approached him to pay him a third of his contracted wage.
He took more money and a better offer elsewhere.
REMfooty
26 May 2010, 12:53
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/general/bombers-on-front-foot/1839804.aspx?storypage=0
stander
26 May 2010, 19:12
McVeigh missed one week for being out blind and missing training.
Hurley got blind and "allegedly" beat a taxi driver and missed three weeks.
Grant, went out on a week off, on a day where he actually went above and beyond by going to work anyway and got two weeks.
Something doesn't add up there.
It is legal, 100% completely legal.
Somewhere along the line we as AFL supporters have to stop being the moral police. Shannon Grant went out on a weekend off and was in a position to be at training on Monday. It had no impact on his ability to coach the team, a team that he has done an exceptional job with.
The only thing that doesn't add up is your maths. He's the coach, not one of the boys, probably very lucky to only get the two.
If you think the administrators at BB only expect Grant to turn up to training to fulfill his job sheet, then your naivety is astonishing. Lucky for Grant, Knighter didn't call an impromptu coaches breakfast for Sunday morning at 8.00 a.m ??
Following your brand of logic then, you would be quite happy for Knights to get blind and stagger around the Royal or the Linc at 4.30 a.m so long as he can get to Windy Hill in time for training. Can't see D Evans turning a "blind" eye to that.
Slattery_20
27 May 2010, 08:01
I've heard of at least a couple of senior coaches getting knackered on a regular basis. Meh.
Longy413
27 May 2010, 11:46
I've been in the same pub as a senior coach and three assistant coaches (of different clubs) who all got very, very drunk together during the season. One was an assistant at our club, I believe it was the 40th of one of the other coaches.
I couldn't give a stuff.
Those wanting Grant sacked, should want Hurley and McVeigh sacked as well. They should all follow the same rules.
More than happy for Knights to spend a night at the Linc or the Royal on a Saturday night if Sunday was a day off. The CBA that players and coaches sign actually prevent there from being an inpromptu 8am Sunday meeting anyway. A day off is a day off, but there's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't have been able to meet that commitment anyway.
stander
27 May 2010, 20:25
I've been in the same pub as a senior coach and three assistant coaches (of different clubs) who all got very, very drunk together during the season. One was an assistant at our club, I believe it was the 40th of one of the other coaches.
I couldn't give a stuff.
Those wanting Grant sacked, should want Hurley and McVeigh sacked as well. They should all follow the same rules.
More than happy for Knights to spend a night at the Linc or the Royal on a Saturday night if Sunday was a day off. The CBA that players and coaches sign actually prevent there from being an inpromptu 8am Sunday meeting anyway. A day off is a day off, but there's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't have been able to meet that commitment anyway.
I couldn't give a stuff either, we're discussing getting blind and locked up affecting your ability to coach. The EFC say Grant can't coach because he got blind and locked up. You say its Ok to get blind and locked up, and ignore any consequences because it doesn't compromise your coaching ability. I'll go with EFC.
Now If Knights wants his coaches at Windy Hill at 8.30 a.m on a day off, I think they would all oblige, unless of course they were rollicking in front of the Shamrock at 4.30 a.m and spent another 4 hours in the Bendigo lockup, and then there's another hour and a half back to Windy Hill, maybe in a cab, smelling like a brewery.
This coaches CBA has me intrigued- where did you find it ??...
Pevers-Legend
27 May 2010, 20:41
The key issue is not getting on the grog till the wee hours. It is getting locked up for having a wee bit too much.
They have a profile and so must act slightly differently. Aside from that - if you want to get completley blind - go home at 3am and continue to drink. At elast then when you apss out you are home and not in public.
Towno78
27 May 2010, 20:50
I've been in the same pub as a senior coach and three assistant coaches (of different clubs) who all got very, very drunk together during the season. One was an assistant at our club, I believe it was the 40th of one of the other coaches.
I couldn't give a stuff.
Those wanting Grant sacked, should want Hurley and McVeigh sacked as well. They should all follow the same rules.
More than happy for Knights to spend a night at the Linc or the Royal on a Saturday night if Sunday was a day off. The CBA that players and coaches sign actually prevent there from being an inpromptu 8am Sunday meeting anyway. A day off is a day off, but there's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't have been able to meet that commitment anyway.
I also couldn't give a stuff if he got blind every week on his nights off, so long as it didn't affect his coaching.
If he gets arrested however, that's a different matter altogether. Sure he may not have been doing anything particularly wrong, but the club has an image to uphold to both sponsors and the Bendigo community, as well as the EFC.
If you can control yourself when you've been getting on it so that this doesn't occur then that's fine. But if you can't, you need to pull it back or stop drinking altogether (or at least in public places). Because this 2 week suspension I would imagine will be his only chance.
Longy413
28 May 2010, 09:05
I said it earlier, that I'm fine with his actions but not the consequences of his actions.
He didn't do a lot wrong, except get caught.
He won't of been the only AFL player, official or coach to have been out on the weekend. I'm tipping a number of our players were out until the early hours.
What I took major offense to in this thread is the calls for him to get sacked and his right to go out and drink in the first place. That his penalty doesn't sit well against Hurley's, I'm not sure why they should be treated differently. Given Hurley is an elite athlete, the risk in his behaviour is greater.
Stander - I couldn't find a copy of the CBA online, I've got one on my desk.
Towno78
28 May 2010, 13:10
I said it earlier, that I'm fine with his actions but not the consequences of his actions.
He didn't do a lot wrong, except get caught.
He won't of been the only AFL player, official or coach to have been out on the weekend. I'm tipping a number of our players were out until the early hours.
What I took major offense to in this thread is the calls for him to get sacked and his right to go out and drink in the first place. That his penalty doesn't sit well against Hurley's, I'm not sure why they should be treated differently. Given Hurley is an elite athlete, the risk in his behaviour is greater.
Stander - I couldn't find a copy of the CBA online, I've got one on my desk.
yep, agreed.
Giggidy Giggidy
4 Jun 2010, 11:22
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspxhttp://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspx
Originally Posted by Matthew Knights
"That'll be a mix of Essendon assistants, plus Hayden Skipworth will probably come to prominence a little bit more in the coaching aspect in the next two weeks," Knights said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspxhttp://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94980/default.aspx
Player coach. Interesting.
O'Donnell spoke well at the breaks, seemed to take the caretaker job pretty seriously, Skipworth had no input at the breaks and was basically just a player.
Interesting to see how they approach this on Sunday given the teams play simultaneously in different states. This could prove detrimental to the senior team if we have to leave an assistant behind to coach Bendigo, which would seem likely given the above comment re: Skippy.