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Joeyjoejoe
1 Jun 2010, 20:31
OK so Fletcher is out!
My changes and reasons are:
Out: Fletcher (susp.), Howlett, Lonergan
In: Welsh, Reimers, Dyson
Would usually think Dyson / Reimers / Welsh could spend a week more in the VFL - But we need them up and running for the Geelong match next week.
With no Fletcher .. would also be temting to bring in a tall, also Geelong have the 3 big talls.. so blooding a tall would be good prep for that match. But who? Daniher or Neagle. Be good if Hooker was availible.
Team v swans
B: McVeigh Hurley Atkinson
HB: Dempsey Pears Lovett-Murray
C: Jetta Winderlich Myers
HF: Reimers Gumby Zaka
F: Monfries Ryder Davey
Foll: Hille Watson Stanton
Int: Prismall Hocking Dyson Welsh
Emg: Lonergan Howlett Houli Melksham
Quick team!
Thoughts??
Frothies Mcveigh
1 Jun 2010, 20:39
Out: Fletcher (susp) Lonergan
In: Neagle Williams
Would love to see the big fella get another chance in the firsts. With Fletch out Hurley will resume FB. Williams has more upside than Lonergan, hopefully he can bag a few this week if he gets the recall.
bombermick
1 Jun 2010, 20:47
I don't think too many changes will be made to what is a winning formula. I would like to see Reimers, Williams and Dyson come in, but for whom? Lonergan and Howlett could be unlucky, but all deserve to play. With Fletcher out, it would make sense to bring Williams in.
Bombers1234
1 Jun 2010, 20:48
Out: Fletcher, Howlett
In: Reimers, Welsh
Hurley to play back on White or Playfair and Reimers to play tall foward, we have resting ruckman so have the necessary hieght in the fowardline.
Possibly WIlliams for Fletcher doesn't really worry me.
We would be crazy to bring in 3 underdone players in 1 game. I Guess dyson and Reimers aren't so bad, because they played for Bendigo, but surely Welsh should come in through Bendigo.
I would go 1 change. In. Williams Out. Fletch
Mind you lonergan looked a little off when it came to kicking on friday night, so wouldn't be surprised to see him out.
Duckworth
1 Jun 2010, 20:50
OK so Fletcher is out!
My changes and reasons are:
Out: Fletcher (susp.), Howlett, Lonergan
In: Welsh, Reimers, Dyson
Would usually think Dyson / Reimers / Welsh could spend a week more in the VFL - But we need them up and running for the Geelong match next week.
With no Fletcher .. would also be temting to bring in a tall, also Geelong have the 3 big talls.. so blooding a tall would be good prep for that match. But who? Daniher or Neagle. Be good if Hooker was availible.
Team v swans
B: McVeigh Hurley Atkinson
HB: Dempsey Pears Lovett-Murray
C: Jetta Winderlich Myers
HF: Reimers Gumby Zaka
F: Monfries Ryder Davey
Foll: Hille Watson Stanton
Int: Prismall Hocking Dyson Welsh
Emg: Lonergan Howlett Houli Melksham
Quick team!
Thoughts??
I think we should keep it really simple. We have the balance and group about right at them moment. Just because we have lot's of options at the moment I don't think we should make them all this week.
Out: Fletcher (susp) Lonergan (inj?)
Surely Lonergan is injured. Can't kick it 40m.
In: Williams, Dyson.
Welsh can come back through Bendigo. I don't care if he's VC. Knights would probably disagree.
Williams to come in to play FF. I'll openly admit that I'm not his biggest fan, but he should get another shot at it. It will maintain team balance and allow Hurley to go back.
Dyson has been good this year and done his time back through Bendigo.
bombermick
1 Jun 2010, 20:51
We would be crazy to bring in 3 underdone players in 1 game. I Guess dyson and Reimers aren't so bad, because they played for Bendigo, but surely Welsh should come in through Bendigo.
I would go 1 change. In. Williams Out. Fletch
Mind you lonergan looked a little off when it came to kicking on friday night, so wouldn't be surprised to see him out.
I hope Welsh comes back via the VFL. Our midfield has looked better with younger and quicker legs. He could come in and do a job on O'Keefe, but I'm confident our mids can do the job. Lonergan has been okay, but Reimers probably deserves to come in.
In: Reimers, Williams
Out: Fletcher, Lonergan
IN: Welsh, Reimers, Williams
OUT: Howlett, Lonergan, Fletcher
Anyone who suggests that Zaka is to be "rested" should be carded.
Copied from preview thread:
Selection this week is going to be very difficult! Hurts thinking about it :confused:
Fletcher is out, so Hurley goes back. Hopefully that means Willo gets his chance up forward. However I think we need another KPD in, as Hurley was already covering down back in rotations last week, and I don't think we'd be looking to try Myers on Goodesy again (when Pears/Hurley are resting). So T. Slattery in instead and we play a small forward line or both come in and someone else has to go?
Plus, it may not be popular, but Welsh will probably come in. Probably means Howlett out, which is very unlucky.
As for Reimers, Dyson, etc. Too many changes.
Ins: T. Slattery, Welsh, (Williams maybe?)
Outs: Fletcher, Howlett, (?)
I would suggest Lonergan for the other out, as he's probably the weakest link up forward, but I couldn't think of conditions more suited to Sammy than the SCG vs the Swans. So maybe Willo misses again, and we play small forward (which looked great vs St Kilda).
quotemokc
1 Jun 2010, 21:01
IN: Slattery, Reimers
OUT: Atkinson, Howlett
wazza39hock
1 Jun 2010, 21:07
outs:fletch,lonergan.
in:reimers,danieher.
lonergan didnt look fantastic on the weekend, and we need to bring in riemers so hes right for the geelong game and he looks alot more better in the foward than lonergan.
with fletch out we might need a tall like danieher who needs some games into him. he can be a replacement while fletch is out for a week anyway.
Darealrath
1 Jun 2010, 21:07
Out: Fletcher
In: Reimers
If we move Hurley back we need another goal kicker. I don't think the SCG suits Willo who needs space so I'd pick Reimers who can play deep forward or move into the midfield rotation.
Tempted to pick Dyson ahead of him though, as he has more senior team credits and his long kicking could be a major factor.
Definately want to see Howlett and Lonergan retained - let Welsh have a week in the twos to get some touch before coming in.
Fletch/Longergan Out / Willo/Dyson In - simple.
Why the hell does Welsh automatically get it? His form suggests that if he was playing we probably wouldn't be 5-5, give the guy a go in the Magoos for christs sake.
Maybe DYson as well, the guy had improved well this year so it would be a shame to waste the talent.
Minimum Chips
1 Jun 2010, 21:18
Not sure why people want Howlett dropped, he's been rather impressive, he wins contested footy, wins clearances and uses the footy well
In: Reimers
Out: Fletcher (susp.)
Bolton's stiff
Stick to a winning formula people. You want players to earn their spots. I don't understand all the suggestions to drop Lonergan and Howlett. Fair enough if their injured.
In: Reimers
Out: Fletcher
Reimers can play deep forward, and did it well at the SCG last year. Hurley goes back this week.
We have had minimal changes over the last five weeks which has been a key to our good form. I hope Knighta doesn't go back to playing favourites.
13bombers
1 Jun 2010, 21:26
as i said on the other post, i have the slightest of feelings colyer will play. was first emergency last week and the week he got dropped he was okay. seeing as though he was a late inclusion the other week, and melksham is out i think Knights is giving him as many opportunities as he can. Thoughts?
as i said on the other post, i have the slightest of feelings colyer will play. was first emergency last week and the week he got dropped he was okay. seeing as though he was a late inclusion the other week, and melksham is out i think Knights is giving him as many opportunities as he can. Thoughts?
Don't think that counts for much.
I don't understand all the suggestions to bring in a small for Fletcher. The comment regularly being Hurley goes back to cover Fletcher.
But Hurley played 1/3 of the game down back last week when Fletcher/Pears were being rested. So if a KPD doesn't come in, who are you going to use to cover Hurley/Pears when they are rested? Or worse, what happens if one of them is injured?
And because I know it will happen... Don't even think of throwing NLM in to that equation! He is not a KPD, only ever played on the 3rd tall half decently, and is a midfielder now anyway.
Longy413
1 Jun 2010, 21:42
Myers would have to go back if someone got injured, can't pick a team based on hypotheticals.
Better play three ruckmen just incase two get injured...
Wouldn't be surprised if Tyson Slattery came in to play on Goodes. Has the tank to go with him and the height.
Been up for five weeks now, this has letdown written all over it against a hardened team on the road...
But in terms of selection, we've got a few pleasing dilemmas...
Dustin Fletcher goes out for the week but... Andrew Welsh, Mark Williams, Ricky Dyson, Kyle Reimers, Henry Slattery (hopefully), Jake Melksham (hopefully), Bachar Houli amongst others all fit and ready to go... Hooker looks like missing another week but has apparently improved significantly and isn't far off...
Selection headaches galore.
Myers would have to go back if someone got injured, can't pick a team based on hypotheticals.
Better play three ruckmen just incase two get injured...
Wouldn't be surprised if Tyson Slattery came in to play on Goodes. Has the tank to go with him and the height.
Forgot about Tyson Slattery. He has been pushing for a number of weeks and he should get his opportunity this week.
Revised ins and outs
Out: Fletcher
In: T. Slattery
HighettBomber
1 Jun 2010, 22:03
Daniher in for Fletcher, I would prefer him to Tyson Slattery as he can play back or forward although I wouldn't be disappointed to see the good Slattery get a game. Williams and Neagle would also be options if we wanted to play Hurley down back.
Reimers should come in, because he is a very good player forward or in the midfield, probably for Lonergan. I can't think of who else we could drop. Welsh, Dyson and Melksham must also be possibilities.
zacka123
1 Jun 2010, 22:20
Daniher in for Fletcher, I would prefer him to Tyson Slattery as he can play back or forward although I wouldn't be disappointed to see the good Slattery get a game. Williams and Neagle would also be options if we wanted to play Hurley down back.
Reimers should come in, because he is a very good player forward or in the midfield, probably for Lonergan. I can't think of who else we could drop. Welsh, Dyson and Melksham must also be possibilities.
Can see Daniher coming in and playing as a half forward sending Hurley down back. Play Gumby in the square.
Myers would have to go back if someone got injured, can't pick a team based on hypotheticals.
Better play three ruckmen just incase two get injured...
Wouldn't be surprised if Tyson Slattery came in to play on Goodes. Has the tank to go with him and the height.
Sorry Longy, I think this is the first time I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Firstly, you're "play three ruckmen incase two get injured" is a ridiculous non-comparison that I'm not even going to go in to.
Secondly, Hurley and/or Pears requiring a rest on the pine at some stage in the game is hardly hypothetical, rather these rotations are to be planned for.
Thirdly, I think all teams are picked to be flexible so that such hypotheticals as injuries or poor form can be accounted for. No senior coach would ever pick a team, which would put them in the situation of: if player X or Y goes down/gets toweled up, we're screwed cos there's no other options.
As for your last point on T. Slattery. Agreed. This was also my suggestion for the same reasons.
I still can't understand why so many don't think we need another KPD in Fletcher's absence.
loopy_cam
1 Jun 2010, 22:44
I doubt Lonergan will go out. Was good before the Bulldogs game.
I reckon we'll stick with the one change. Out Fletch and in either Williams or T. Slattery. My votes for Williams.
In: Welsh
Out: Fletcher
So here's why...
I think most of us have got it right in that Hurley will be used down back alongside Pears to take the two marking options of Sydney.
A few of you have pegged the need for an additional forward, which I personally don't think we need. The SCG is a small ground which makes leading forwards a little less effective through lack of space. We already have Gumby, and his ability to burn off an opponent will mean if and when we turn the ball over and rebound off defensive 50 he can be that option.
Paddy/Hille can provide a second tall marking option when required, and they are certainly in form. I don't think this is the game to bring Mark Williams in for two reasons
1) He has done NOTHING to warrant selection
2) He's a leading forward, SCG remember.
The SCG lends itself to stoppages, hence we need a side capable in the trenches. For this reason I would not be tempted to drop Howlett - he finds the hard ball and has the mature body. This is also where Welsh will be useful - not as a stopper.
The only other change I would consider would be Lonergan out for Reimers, who are interchangeable in the forward line.
Captainfletch
1 Jun 2010, 22:53
OUT : Fletcher (susp), Lonergan (obviously injured imo)
IN : Reimers, T.Slattery
Tallish and very promising defender in slattery deserves a go. Even if it is only for one week.
I think reimers is definately a more talanted player than Lonergan and can't wait for his second half of the year. Always knows where the goals are.
loopy_cam
1 Jun 2010, 23:00
1) He (Williams) has done NOTHING to warrant selection
I doubt this is true. Though he hasn't been starring I assume he has been given specific instructions and is doing them. Hence being emergency every week since he has been at Bendigo (IIRC). The same as Prismall when he was out.
Longy413
1 Jun 2010, 23:02
Sorry Longy, I think this is the first time I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Firstly, you're "play three ruckmen incase two get injured" is a ridiculous non-comparison that I'm not even going to go in to.
Secondly, Hurley and/or Pears requiring a rest on the pine at some stage in the game is hardly hypothetical, rather these rotations are to be planned for.
Thirdly, I think all teams are picked to be flexible so that such hypotheticals as injuries or poor form can be accounted for. No senior coach would ever pick a team, which would put them in the situation of: if player X or Y goes down/gets toweled up, we're screwed cos there's no other options.
As for your last point on T. Slattery. Agreed. This was also my suggestion for the same reasons.
I still can't understand why so many don't think we need another KPD in Fletcher's absence.
Okay, I probably got carried away a little with my example.
But remember where we are playing as well.
If we go with Hurley and Pears as our key backs, then Myers becomes their backup. Rotations are planned for and opposition forwards rotate as well.
SCG, given the size is one ground you don't see ruckmen spend too much time forward, which is what required Hurley to push back against the Bulldogs. We also played Pears smaller. We probably didn't need to push Hurley back at all had we been willing to play Pears on their other tall, but we were trying to free him up.
I think we'll see Pears back to fullback this week to play tall, on White.
Hurley to take the second tall, Playfair, if he gets a game.
They can rotate when their opponent rotates, we have Myers as cover.
We're unlikely to see Sydney push a ruckman to play forward. Pyke just isn't good enough to go forward and it isn't something Mumford does a lot of.
With our own setup, our own ruckmen are good enough to go forward and have been a lot lately. We're unlikely to need three tall forwards at the SCG, Gumby, Ryder/Hille and someone else (Daniher has been suggested), so I don't think we're going to need an extra tall.
I think our selection comes down to a couple of things -
1) Does anyone's form at Bendigo scream out for selection. The answer is probably not.
2) Do we need an extra tall at the SCG in light of Fletch being out. I don't think so.
3) What is the match up for Goodes. Is it Slattery, should he come in? If not Myers?
4) Does Welsh come straight back in as Knights has suggested? Howlett looks the unlucky one.
5) Should we bring in someone who can cut up the lines of the small ground by foot (EG Reimers)? Possibly.
or
6) Should we bring in Williams as the second marking forward? Maybe.
My thoughts, horses for courses, I'd just make two changes -
T Slattery for Fletcher. Slattery can play tall, he can run with Goodes, he can cover for Hurley and Pears.
Welsh for Howlett. I like Howlett, but 12 disposals last week isn't enough for a midfielder.
What I think will happen -
Myers will play on Goodes.
Welsh will replace Howlett.
Williams or Reimers will replace Fletcher, Hurley goes back.
In: Williams
Out: Fletcher
Don't want any dropped, we are in great form. Hurley to go back, and a quality player in Williams comes in.
bombersaway
1 Jun 2010, 23:33
Trying to look at thge match ups to some this one up
syd match winners to stop/key match ups
goodes pears/myers
o'keffe hocking/myers
malceski monfries/reimers/jetta
mcveigh welsh/howlett/lonergan
no doubt malceski has been their best this year,
runs off halfback so obviosly we look to exploit him when it gets turned over, reimers is the one for mine really knows how to loose his man and 2/3 goals could be very handy. Other match ups for him gus/jetta again both can hurt on the rebound jetta prob best one as far as deffence(run downs)
bit worried about myers in the air with goodes, pears same height more natural deffender and again running off goodes could go along way to winning myers hasnt had the exp in getting back, hurley at fb for his height with jessie white
purely on match ups i think
ins
welsh??? Mcveigh.okeffe match up
slattery??? Could tag a midfeilder or take small fwd's jetta,mcglynn
reimers
outs
fletch
prismal/howlett
lonergan/atkinson
Out: Fletcher
In: M. Bolton
..well, we are playing Sydney aren't we? :D
bombersaway
1 Jun 2010, 23:46
B> HANK-HURLEY-DEMPSY
McGLYNN-WHITE-?????
HB> McVEIGH-PEARS-BUDDA
JETTA-GOODES-O'KEFFE
C> MYERS-JOBE-STANTON
McVEIGH-KIRK-JACK
RUCKS> PADDY-NAT RAT-WINDERLICH
MUMFORD-BOLTON-HANNABERY
HF> JETTA-GUMBY-REIMERS
SHAW-R-THOMPSON-MALCESKI
F> GUS-HILLE-DAVEY
MATTNER-GRUNDY-????
BENCH ZAKA-HOWLETT-WELSH-ATKINSON
PRISMALL-LONERGAN-T.SLATTERY
Eleven 38
2 Jun 2010, 01:09
everyone said great for howletts confidence after he got dropped after round 2...then he gets back in the side plays 4 games has a quiet one in his 4th and everyone wants him dropped again??
replace fletch with a forward. may aswell have another look at our No.33 what was his name again??
I wonder if they would consider playing Mcveigh on Mcveigh.
Jonesy1987
2 Jun 2010, 07:01
Howlett dropped. u all mad.
Out: Fletch, Lonergan
In: Melksham, Reimers
Longy413
2 Jun 2010, 08:28
everyone said great for howletts confidence after he got dropped after round 2...then he gets back in the side plays 4 games has a quiet one in his 4th and everyone wants him dropped again??
This isn't under 12's, we don't need to protect blokes.
He doesn't appear to be the type that will benefit from an extended run as per someone like Myers or Jetta.
He's playing as midfielder and whilst he has shown good signs, has had 13, 21 and 12 disposals in his last three games. He's just not winning enough ball at the moment to warrant his spot.
It's all about form and he should be treated the same way as any other player. If Stanton was getting those returns, we'd want him out of the side and rightly so. When your team is playing well and you have blokes waiting in the reserves or returning from injury, you need to be making an impact and Howlett hasn't been doing that to any significant degree.
With Fletch out Hurley will go back and maybe NLM to chop out as well down there. The way I see it theres 17 guys that wont get dropped and will spend a fair amount of time on the ground - so the structure of the side will look something like this:
Dempsey Hurley Hocking
NLM Pears McVeigh
Prismal Watson Jetta
Monfries Gumby Davey
Zahar Ryder ????
Hille Stanton Winders
Interchange ???? ???? ???? ????
So really there are 5 spots up for grabs between about 15 players.
Those most likely to get the nod in the 5 remaining spots are our vice captain Welsh, Melksham, Atkinson, Myers & Howlett.
Lonergan, Reimers, H.Slat, Dyson, & Colyer all have very strong claims and it wouldn't suprise to see any of these guys picked.
T.Slat, Hardingham, Houli, M.Williams & Neagle outside chances and have been overlooked for various reasons so far so it would suprise to see any of these guys come in for this game.
Id love to see M.Williams get a run but have kind of given up on the idea as he seems to get continuosly overlooked inspite of his class and decent form at Bendigo.
Outs: Fletcher, Lonergan.
Ins: T.Slattery, Melksham.
Lonergan looks a bit off the boil atm, whether it be injury or just kicking form, i think he needs a rest. Melksham can play his role across half forward and push into the midfield also.
Tyson Slattery sounds as though he is going really well at Bendigo. I personally haven't seen this but we need to give him a go sooner or later, this should be his chance i think! If we keep him on the list and dont play him, he might be looking elsewhere come the end of the year, which would be a shame because in the games i have seen him play, he looks like he has talent!
IN: Welsh, Reimers, Williams
OUT: Howlett, Lonergan, Fletcher
Anyone who suggests that Zaka is to be "rested" should be carded.
Just looking back on my changes, 3 changes is too many for a winning side.
IN: Welsh, Reimers
OUT: Fletcher (susp), Lonergan
Reimers can come in and play as a leading forward, he did quite well last year at the SCG and if it wasn't for wayward kicking, should've kicked 4-5 goals.
Welsh straight back in despite the grumblings of a few, he was in-form before his suspension (smashed Hodge) and in the corresponding fixture last year, smashed Kirk.
Hurley to go back in defence, whilst the talls will be Gumby, Hille/Ryder mixed with our mediums Reimers and Monfries and supported with our smalls Davey and Jetta. I think it's a pretty good mix we've got in our forward line at the moment.
Notwithstanding this being an interstate trip, I feel that if we bring our tackling pressure and intensity then we should win this game, I would be disappointed if we didn't.
Ben the Gooner
2 Jun 2010, 10:20
I'm not convinced Williams needs to come in. A small forwardline v Sydney forces blokes like Malceski, Shaw, Mattner and Heath to be accountable. 2 talls is enough IMO.
I'm genuinely scared of the O'Keefe matchup. He's playing as a forward pushing into the midfield, and that's the player Atkinson has been taking. O'Keefe will maul Atko. I'm struggling to find a matchup for O'Keefe though.
IMO, Fletcher and Lonergan out for Welsh and Reimers. If Lonergan is fit, either Howlett goes out or Reimers doesn't come in.
half time raffle
2 Jun 2010, 10:46
Why are people calling for anything but forced changes, we have just had our best win for the year! The blokes that are avaliable should be made to come through Bendigo and earn their spot, i'm not convinced that Welsh or Slattery are in our best 22 anyway.
In: Riemers
Out: Fletcher
Kaiser Powser
2 Jun 2010, 11:25
I don't agree with it, but Welsh will come in. Knights as much as said so in his post match interview on Friday. Howlett is the obvious omission, but he played a good role with Welsh in the team in rounds 1 & 2, so could stay.
My gut feeling:
Out: Howlett In: Welsh
Out: Fletcher In: T.Slattery/Williams
Out: Lonergan In: Reimers
I'm genuinely scared of the O'Keefe matchup.
He is due a very good game, as is Goodes. Both have been a bit down over the past month.
Jack, Smith, Hannebery and Kennedy are the in form players for us. Stopping the influence of Malceski and Mumford is crucial for Essendon as well.
I'm not convinced Williams needs to come in. A small forwardline v Sydney forces blokes like Malceski, Shaw, Mattner and Heath to be accountable. 2 talls is enough IMO.
excellent point.
For me...
OUTs: Fletch, Lonergan (just doesn't cut it for mine)
INs: Welsh (due for a big game, owes us), Reimers
Not enough positive feedback from Bendigo regarding Daniher, so I'm not convinced we need another tall in the team. Not for the Swans anyway.
Outs:
Fletcher, Lonergan, Atkinson
Ins:
Reimers, Welsh, Dyson
Hurley to go back, Dyson to play Atkinson's position, Welsh to push Howlett in to Lonergan's role. Reimers to play forward in Hurley's position.
Goodes is the only worry for me.
I'd say Hurley on him in the defensive 50 and Dempsey when he pushes up the ground.
Dyson on O'Keefe >>>> Atkinson on O'Keefe
He is due a very good game, as is Goodes. Both have been a bit down over the past month.
Jack, Smith, Hannebery and Kennedy are the in form players for us. Stopping the influence of Malceski and Mumford is crucial for Essendon as well.
No offence AG, but i think the Swans should be more worried about our rucks, not us worrying about Mumford. Yes he can influence a game, but i think he will be chasing butt this weekend with the Hille and Ryder combo working him pretty hard!
Only worried about Hille and Ryder in the F50. In the actual ruck I'd expect Mumford to have the upper hand similar to what Hudson did last week considering they are pretty much identical players.
Outs:
Fletcher, Lonergan, Atkinson
Ins:
Reimers, Welsh, Dyson
Hurley to go back, Dyson to play Atkinson's position, Welsh to push Howlett in to Lonergan's role. Reimers to play forward in Hurley's position.
Goodes is the only worry for me.
I'd say Hurley on him in the defensive 50 and Dempsey when he pushes up the ground.
Dyson on O'Keefe >>>> Atkinson on O'Keefe
Sorry Lamaros, but IMO your wrong about dropping Atko.
His run from defence has been an integral part to our revival!
Dyson doesnt deserve to displace him just yet.
Atko did nothing wrong last week, i actually thought he was good.
IMO we cant drop him for nothing....
Only worried about Hille and Ryder in the F50. In the actual ruck I'd expect Mumford to have the upper hand similar to what Hudson did last week considering they are pretty much identical players.
Hudson didn't have the upper hand in the ruck so much as in his contested marking around the ground (on Hille for the most part), they just won the clearances because their midfield sharked a lot of Essendon's tap too.
I don't think Mumford will has as good a game as Hudson, and I don't think we'll lose the clearances as poorly this time, but you're absolutely right that Ryder and Hille will have to pay Mumford some respect.
Only worried about Hille and Ryder in the F50. In the actual ruck I'd expect Mumford to have the upper hand similar to what Hudson did last week considering they are pretty much identical players.
Can Mumford go all day though?
Sorry Lamaros, but IMO your wrong about dropping Atko.
His run from defence has been an integral part to our revival!
Dyson doesnt deserve to displace him just yet.
Atko did nothing wrong last week, i actually thought he was good.
IMO we cant drop him for nothing....
We put him in the first team for nothing and we can drop him for nothing. Not necessarily fair, but that's life.
Can Mumford go all day though?
No. He can go longer than most expect though because some would assume he is too big to have a decent tank. Pyke will have to play in the ruck which is when Essendon should have an advantage but Pyke has been good by his standards.
The ruck duel is what I'm looking forward to the most, it should be a good contest.
Sydney 37 hitouts Essendon 33 on average. Pretty much on par. I'm looking forward more to the contested disposals and clearances (particularly important for our emerging midfield). Beating the Swans at the stoppages is the key.
HighettBomber
2 Jun 2010, 12:43
He is due a very good game, as is Goodes. Both have been a bit down over the past month.
Jack, Smith, Hannebery and Kennedy are the in form players for us. Stopping the influence of Malceski and Mumford is crucial for Essendon as well.
Goodes, O'Keefe and your midfield are where the main dangers are to us. Mumford is in for a very difficult day, if we win it will likely be on the back of dominant performances by Hille and Ryder. Since we have had Jetta and Davey back in the side there haven't been too may running half backs that have had an infuence against us.
I think Hocking is the matchup for O'Keefe as he is strong in the air and has a good tank, he will also work O'Keefe the other way. Goodes is a bit of an issue, we don't really have a matchup for him, this may be a reason to bring Tyson Slattery into the side, if he has a decent tank.
TheDon35
2 Jun 2010, 12:49
No suprises to me that we've looked a far more balanced & effective side with Slattery and Dyson and to a lesser extent Welsh out of the side.
Fingers crossed non of them come back in this week.
Fletcher out,
T Slattery in.
The only other change could be Lonergan out for someone like Collyer though I don't see this happening. I don't see why we'd mess with a winning formula.
resurrector
2 Jun 2010, 14:11
think we need another tall for the swannies since fletch is out
in: daniher, williams
out: fletch, lonergan
backline matchups
daniher - white
hurley - playfair
pears - goodes
hocking/dempsey - o'keefe
with gumby and willo playing permanent forwards and a resting ruck floating thru we should retain our balance nicely.
Wheels22
2 Jun 2010, 15:15
We CANNOT bring in Neagle if Gumbleton, Hurley, Hille, and Ryder are all playing!
The forward line would be too top heavy even with Hurley back.
The calls to drop Atkinson are still mind-boggling. Apart from his rebound, the dude laid 2 tackles that directly resulted in goals.
T. Slattery...I wouldn't have thought introducing a new player in a must-win road game would be a good idea, especially with Reimers, Dyson, Williams and Welsh good to go.
Out: Fletcher, Lonergan, Howlett
In: Williams, Dyson, Welsh
Williams needs to play, simple as that. You cannot purchase a player for $300k/year and not play him when a spot opens up.
Push Hurley back, leaving a forward 6 of Williams, Gumbleton, 1 of the rucks, Zaharakis, Monfries, and Davey.
Jonesy1987
2 Jun 2010, 15:37
INs: Welsh (due for a big game, owes us)
excellent point, he's done nothing for the last four weeks...
Gus2Gumby
2 Jun 2010, 15:38
In:
T. Slattery
Houli
Out:
Fletcher
Lonergan
Was doing nothing before he got suspended. I've never seen more unanimous support for a player to get maximum weeks from supporters of the same club.
Wheels22
2 Jun 2010, 16:38
Lol at the Welsh bashing too.
Rd 1, was keeping Ablett under 10 possies for 1st half until they put him forward, or, only onto the ground when Welsh was off.
Rd 3, was very good tagging Marc Murphy
Rd 6, had 20 touches and 9 tackles. Unfortunately let himself down with the suspension.
Dude is averaging over 5 tackles a game, and nearly 19 possesions.
WATCH THE GAME MORE CLOSELY EVERYONE
IAmAJedi
2 Jun 2010, 16:59
excellent point, he's done nothing for the last four weeks...
I lol'd.
It's inevitable, being the VC he is an automatic in.
IN: Welsh (would've wanted T Slatts)
OUT: Fletcher
Out: Howlett, Fletcher
In: Welsh, Reimers
Reimers to play forward, Hurley back.
I think Welsh might be a decent match up for O'Keefe. Hocking another option.
Lonergan to stay in and play a forward defensive role on Malceski.
Give Dyson one more week in the twos and all going well, bring him back next week in place of Atko.
Jonesy1987
2 Jun 2010, 17:22
We CANNOT bring in Neagle if Gumbleton, Hurley, Hille, and Ryder are all playing!
Out: Fletcher, Lonergan, Howlett
In: Williams, Dyson, Welsh
Williams needs to play, simple as that. You cannot purchase a player for $300k/year and not play him when a spot opens up.
No to Neagle but yes to Williams... They both play tall, Williams has been useless with exception of one game. Just like drafting, as soon as trade is done, it doesn't matter what was spent. If he's not good enough, he shouldn't be in the side.
Jonesy1987
2 Jun 2010, 17:26
Dude is averaging over 5 tackles a game, and nearly 19 possesions.
WATCH THE GAME MORE CLOSELY EVERYONE
Welsh's stats will always be fine, its more how he was butchering the ball. Seems to have lost a bit of time when in possession, everything seemed rushed.
ghostdog
2 Jun 2010, 17:40
think we need another tall for the swannies since fletch is out
in: daniher, williams
out: fletch, lonergan
backline matchups
daniher - white
hurley - playfair
pears - goodes
hocking/dempsey - o'keefe
with gumby and willo playing permanent forwards and a resting ruck floating thru we should retain our balance nicely.
Has Goodes been playing forward only? I thought Roos pretty much gave him license to run the ground. If so, I don't reckon Pears would go the distance. Stanton might be more suitable.
Longy413
2 Jun 2010, 17:46
Dyson doesnt deserve to displace him just yet.
Dyson was just about our most consistent player before getting injured, especially when we were going bad. After five games, I'd expect he'd be near the top of our B&F.
He deserves a spot, whether he gets it or not, is another question.
I think Hocking is the matchup for O'Keefe as he is strong in the air and has a good tank, he will also work O'Keefe the other way.
Hocking isn't good in the air, it's his major weakness. Hill exposed him for this on Friday. Does have the other qualities and still probably the best match up, unless they look at Welsh if O'Keefe plays midfield.
Tyson Slattery into the side, if he has a decent tank.
He has a very good tank.
Has Goodes been playing forward only? I thought Roos pretty much gave him license to run the ground. If so, I don't reckon Pears would go the distance. Stanton might be more suitable.
Seems to be spending more time forward of late.
ghostdog
2 Jun 2010, 18:08
The Bendigo report from the weekend didn't speak very highly of Dyson's performance, but I reckon he'd rise to the occasion if he were selected.
I'm not willing to advocate the inclusion of Welsh as strongly as some others here. I think he should play his way back in. I was more impressed with Myers' work, especially in the first quarter v Dogs, and think he should get another run.
It would be a pity to see Howlett out. I think he's been solid without being great.
Hurley should go back with Fletch out. I'd like to see probably Reimers given a run before Willams, who still isn't performing strongly for Bendigo. Sorry, I don't believe in playing someone just because we traded for them. He's not in form. The same applies to Neagle - how disappointing.
...Ryder can rotate through hb to send Hurley forward on occasion. I thought Friday's match v Dogs was one of Hurley's most solid this year. He was an important link and quick to respond accurately when he received, as well as attracting the defence.
A question for those in the know, is Tyson Slattery a tall defender?
OUT: Fletcher, Howlett
IN: T Slatts, Reimers
McVeigh, Hurley, Pears
Dempsey, T Slattery, Atkinson
Stanton, Watson, Prismall
Zaharakis, Gumbleton, Monfries
Davey, Ryder, Jetta
Hille, Hocking, Winderlich
Reimers, NLM, Lonergan, Myers
Hate to say this...judging from the comments here it looks like we don't have that much supporters that really pay attention to detail...
Welsh bad? (check out round 1, 3, 5 and 6).
Dyson inconstant? wow
Atkinson useless? wow
It seems some of you are still under certain myths about certain players. I bet ya next thing we will here is Stanton is a crap kick 40 out but a good decision maker...where he is in fact the opposite of those! Or Gumby being out of form because he isn't getting ball when in fact he is being used as a decoy and playing up the ground to provide Ryder and Hille space when they are rested up forward!
C'mon! :(
The Bombs
2 Jun 2010, 21:30
Why are so many of you picking Howlett to be dropped??
Has done nothing wrong at all and would have to be the most hard done by player....getting dropped twice for playing well :eek:
Longy413
2 Jun 2010, 21:44
Why are so many of you picking Howlett to be dropped??
Has done nothing wrong at all and would have to be the most hard done by player....getting dropped twice for playing well :eek:
Lets say Welsh does come in this week and he gets 12 disposals at a pretty high efficiency, say 90%. Playing as a midfielder, would you think that's a low return? Would you think he's played a good game?
Lets say he follows that up with 20 disposals and then 13 disposals, would you think that's pretty low for a mid?
Would you begin to think perhaps he goes missing for periods of the game and probably needs to go back to Bendigo and get his hands on the footy a big more?
The bloke is averaging about 15 touches a game, that's hardly setting the world on fire and whilst he has a crack and he's neat, he's not immune to being dropped and he probably isn't doing enough.
Sorry, but 12 touches just isn't a big enough output from a mid for me and if it was any other midfielder, blokes like Welsh, Dyson, Stanton, we'd be screaming for him to be dropped.
Slattery plays in the back pocket and the belief is that him getting 10 touches isn't enough. How can we tolerate 12 from a mid then?
After a pretty good forecast a few days ago, it now looks like being pretty wet for the game on Sunday in Sydney... has been raining the last few days and looks set to continue into the weekend...
Need to consider this closely with selections. Welsh isn't too bad in a wet old scrap while the loss of Fletcher might be slightly less important... the likes of Goodes/Kirk etc could have a day out against some of our younger bodies if it stays wet so need to be cautious...
The Bombs
2 Jun 2010, 21:55
Lets say Welsh does come in this week and he gets 12 disposals at a pretty high efficiency, say 90%. Playing as a midfielder, would you think that's a low return? Would you think he's played a good game?
Lets say he follows that up with 20 disposals and then 13 disposals, would you think that's pretty low for a mid?
Would you begin to think perhaps he goes missing for periods of the game and probably needs to go back to Bendigo and get his hands on the footy a big more?
The bloke is averaging about 15 touches a game, that's hardly setting the world on fire and whilst he has a crack and he's neat, he's not immune to being dropped and he probably isn't doing enough.
Sorry, but 12 touches just isn't a big enough output from a mid for me and if it was any other midfielder, blokes like Welsh, Dyson, Stanton, we'd be screaming for him to be dropped.
Slattery plays in the back pocket and the belief is that him getting 10 touches isn't enough. How can we tolerate 12 from a mid then?
You think Welsh would have done any better against the doggies?? i dont think he would have. howlett has played about 5-6 games ? shows quite a bit and its only normal that he will have good and bad games. get some games into him i say. Also hasnt howlett been playing a bit of a tagging role?? taggers dont normally rack up the possies...
Slattery is a spud and shouldnt even be in the team. That is all.
Longy413
2 Jun 2010, 22:04
No, Howlett hasn't been playing a tagging role.
That's what Welsh does and he's been doing it pretty well, other than a stinker Anzac day. He's been averaging close to 20 disposals a game doing it.
His disposal might not be neat as Howlett, but he finds more of it and can do a stopping job.
Yep, Howlett has shown a bit and I really like him but I want to win games of footy and I don't want to carry a midfielder who drifts in and out of games. He can find that form at Bendigo. Welsh or Dyson or even Reimers for that matter do more than Howlett.
Yes, I think any three of them would have done more than Howlett against the Bulldogs.
He's a rookie and to get six games into him has been great. If he gets another go I'm sure he'll show some more good signs. But I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to suggest he could be dropped because he hasn't been doing a lot.
Jonesy1987
2 Jun 2010, 22:28
Howlett was in our top 5 players against Richmond, had a down week, but still wasn't disgraced. IIRC Zaharakis had poor games against Richmond and St.kilda, came out and played a crucial part against the doggies. No point making changes for the sake of it, if Lonergan is injured he should be the only other change except for the suspended Fletch.
13bombers
2 Jun 2010, 22:36
You think Welsh would have done any better against the doggies?? i dont think he would have. howlett has played about 5-6 games ? shows quite a bit and its only normal that he will have good and bad games. get some games into him i say. Also hasnt howlett been playing a bit of a tagging role?? taggers dont normally rack up the possies...
Slattery is a spud and shouldnt even be in the team. That is all.
im gonna have to side with longy. too many people are treating howlett like a 18 year old draft pick. hes about 22 already and has a well hardened body, should be doing more than the 'norm' that anyone one of our other players can provide and less consistently, he doesnt particulary stand out to me and he doesnt deserve a game in front of a lot of people who are waiting.
http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/sydney.shtml
Sunday A few showers.
City: Min: 12 Max: 18
Forecast rain, does this mean we bring in another tall? I dont think so..
Keep it simple:
INS: Tyson Slattery, Andrew Welsh
OUTS: Dustin Fletcher (Suspended), Sam Lonergan (Ommited)
T.Slattery is able to play tall (189cm) and has a good tank. I think this would be a good game to bring him in. Certainly be a tester against such a quality front half that is the sydney swans.
Whilst Andrew Welsh is Vice Captain which apparently gives you a free ride to the seniors. Could also see a host of others to come in but do not think that many changes will be made.
ghostdog
3 Jun 2010, 00:23
http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/sydney.shtml
Sunday A few showers.
City: Min: 12 Max: 18
Forecast rain, does this mean we bring in another tall? I dont think so..
Keep it simple:
INS: Tyson Slattery, Andrew Welsh
OUTS: Dustin Fletcher (Suspended), Sam Lonergan (Ommited)
T.Slattery is able to play tall (189cm) and has a good tank. I think this would be a good game to bring him in. Certainly be a tester against such a quality front half that is the sydney swans.
Whilst Andrew Welsh is Vice Captain which apparently gives you a free ride to the seniors. Could also see a host of others to come in but do not think that many changes will be made.
Cheers HFF:thumbsu:
So many people have been singing the praises of T Slattery and with Fletcher out it's a good opportunity to give the guy a run. I wouldn't be disappointed to see him elevated, mostly because I'd rather see Hurley forward. How good is it to be in a situation where even with Fletcher and Hooker out we can look to a bloke like Hurley or Ryder (and hopefully T Slattery) with the knowledge that they'll be proficient back there.
On the Welsh v Howlett debate, I can see both sides but I don't think Welsh plays consistently enough to warrant a walk up start. Howlett may fade in and out of games but Welsh does this from game to game. He seems to me to rise to the occasion of playing a top side (Collingwood the exception) and that playing on a bloke like Judd or Hasleby or Ablett brings out the best in him. Welsh has been out for weeks now and I simply can't seem him going straight into the team and hitting his stride on gameday.
FWIW Lonergan I thought was savage at times v Dogs and could be given the lock-down role Welsh plays. Howlett should be given the chance to play on for now. Dyson, from the reports I've read, should probably stay at Bendigo to find some form again first.
Out: Fletcher (susp) Lonergan
In: Williams, Welsh
I'd be suprised if Williams gets a game at the smaller SCG, I don;t think it would suit his game.
I don't agree with this but I think the changes will be
Out: Fletcher, Howlett
IN: Welsh, H Slattery
What I would like the changes to be considering Fletcher is susp is
Out: Fletcher
In: T Slattery
Longy413
3 Jun 2010, 08:33
Howlett was in our top 5 players against Richmond, had a down week, but still wasn't disgraced. IIRC Zaharakis had poor games against Richmond and St.kilda, came out and played a crucial part against the doggies. No point making changes for the sake of it, if Lonergan is injured he should be the only other change except for the suspended Fletch.
Of course he wasn't disgraced.
But he has been very quiet either side of the Richmond game and even though he was good against Richmond, it wasn't a brilliant game.
There is no point of making changes for the sake of it, but replacing a bloke who is inconsistent with his form with guys who were playing consistent football before they were injured, isn't making a change for the sake of it, it's making a change to improve the side.
Yep, Zaka was down on form, but had no obvious replacement and has qualities Howlett doesn't have. Had Reimers been available for selection at the time, a change might have been an option.
I'd be suprised if Williams gets a game at the smaller SCG, I don;t think it would suit his game.
I don't agree with this but I think the changes will be
Out: Fletcher, Howlett
IN: Welsh, H Slattery
What I would like the changes to be considering Fletcher is susp is
Out: Fletcher
In: T Slattery
Do you think Hank is in our best 22? I personally dont now McVeigh is playing that role, he is also playing it better.. I wanna know what the general point of view on Hank is. Is he likely to be a walk up start once fit?
Oh and BTW, i watched the replay of the game against WBD on Fox last night, anyone calling for ATKO's head is ****ing nuts!
mark1881
3 Jun 2010, 09:25
INS: T.Slattery, Welsh
OUTS: Fletcher (susp), Lonergan
I personally don't think Welsh deserves a walk up start but he'll get it given he's vice captain. Lonergan for mine offers toughness in the forward line but with Jetta, Davey and Zaka locking it in I can't see much use for Lonergan.
Edit: If Slattery is fit;
Out: Fletch, Lonergan
In: Slattery, Welsh
Absolutely, Slatts comes straight back in.
Edit: If Slattery is fit;
Out: Fletch, Lonergan
In: Slattery, Welsh
Absolutely, Slatts comes straight back in.
Strongly Disagree!
Edit: If Slattery is fit;
Out: Fletch, Lonergan
In: Slattery, Welsh
Absolutely, Slatts comes straight back in.
Strongly Disagree!
Second that
Oh and BTW, i watched the replay of the game against WBD on Fox last night, anyone calling for ATKO's head is ****ing nuts!
Would just like to reinforce this from a neutrals perspective. Myers and Jetta have finally played some good games and they're apparently guns but Atkinson is still a fringe player despite not putting a foot wrong all year! I know he wasn't a high draft pick but if any of these three has come good, it's Atkinson
BomberTime
3 Jun 2010, 16:00
Edit: If Slattery is fit;
Out: Fletch, Lonergan
In: Slattery, Welsh
Absolutely, Slatts comes straight back in.
What??? He is not good enough to walk straight back into this team after missing 3 weeks especially when the team has won those 3 matches and we have guys playing really well down back. No Slatts please!
Jonesy1987
3 Jun 2010, 16:12
replacing a bloke who is inconsistent with his form with guys who were playing consistent football before they were injured, isn't making a change for the sake of it, it's making a change to improve the side.
Yep, Zaka was down on form, but had no obvious replacement and has qualities Howlett doesn't have.
Probably disagree with Welsh, Dyson's and Reimers form line. IMO fairly similar to Howlett's.
Howlett averages 4.7 clearances a game (2nd on our list), 6 tackles (equal 2nd), 9 contested possessions (6th). I think he is actually an important cog in the middle already. His ability to close space in a limited time, has been a highlight over the last few weeks, and a key part of why we have stifled opposition midfields.
Longy413
3 Jun 2010, 16:15
Yep, like I said.
He's been good.
Just wouldn't be surprised if he got dropped and don't think it's completely unjustified.
And I'm surprised others are surprised that he's a candidate to go down.
Welsh and Dyson were very consistent before they went out. Dyson especially so.
Top five in the B&F after Round 5, I'm sure of it.
Jonesy1987
3 Jun 2010, 16:18
Welsh and Dyson were very consistent before they went out. Dyson especially so.
Top five in the B&F after Round 5, I'm sure of it.
From memory, I thought Dyson had been consistent, but half a step down from his form last year.