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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ingl...00602-wzse.html
WHILE some in the AFL have criticised the inflated pay packets given to Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau, Essendon's Mark McVeigh would have no arguments with another NRL star, Greg Inglis, joining his club.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ingl...00602-wzse.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/inglis-would-be-welcome-at-the-bombers-says-mcveigh-20100602-wzse.html)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mcve...x-1225874736741
MARK McVeigh's eyes lit up yesterday at the thought of running out for Essendon alongside NRL superstar Greg Inglis.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mcve...x-1225874736741 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mcveigh-would-love-inglis-at-dons/story-e6frf9ix-1225874736741)
bipolarbeaR
3 Jun 2010, 01:58
FFS! We could get Gary Ablett at the price these tossers want to offer blokes like this, look at Dangerfield, Boak, Griffen and Sidebottom before this guy.
Longy413
3 Jun 2010, 08:38
The difference is we would have to give up a lot to get those guys and fit them under the cap.
I wager a guess that if we wanted Inglis, the AFL would let us accomodate his wage outside the cap, or at least a large percentage of it.
That said, McVeigh is just speaking hypotheticals, no one from the club is speaking to Inglis.
The Donners
3 Jun 2010, 10:32
We don't have a marquee, Inglis would be a marquee.
Just sayin....
Kaiser Powser
3 Jun 2010, 11:31
We don't have a marquee, Inglis would be a marquee.
Just sayin....
We are not running a carnival, so why exactly to we need a marquee?
The Donners
3 Jun 2010, 11:45
We are not running a carnival, so why exactly to we need a marquee?
Not sure if you've noticed this but our memberships are more than 10k off the top teams (in terms of membership numbers).
Ingliss could potentially be the difference particularly as we move nearer to onfield success. It's all to do with exposing our brand to a wider community.
DapperDon
3 Jun 2010, 14:39
Expose our brand?
How about we build a team good enough to win a premiership? It's not ****ing A-League, our brand is strong enough, winning a premiership would be 100 times more beneficial than bloody Ingles, and before you start, no, Ingles would not help us win a premiership.
Colin D'Cops
3 Jun 2010, 19:37
Boak or Dangerfield over these NRL players surely.
bombermick
4 Jun 2010, 10:16
His entire salary would not be counted within the salary cap. It would be a great coup to land Inglis. He would also be a better AFL footballer than either Hunt or Folau. If it doesn't take up any cap room it's a no-brainer. I don't think Essendon is short of a $ atm.
Call Me Cake
4 Jun 2010, 10:31
Just like everyone else, I'd rather we go after a proven AFL footballer.
For the amount of money we'd offer Inglis, we could practically lure any up and coming star to Melbourne. Bump it up, and we could go after an elite mid.
Was talking on the NRL Footy show last night and said he hasn't thought much about a code change
Philzsay
4 Jun 2010, 15:29
forget rugby, I'd prefer we go for Yao Ming...
We would have the best ruck division in the league..
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/Corwo/Awsome%20Players/yao_ming.jpg
Could we match the Rockets (or whoever he plays for now)'s offer?
demons 123
4 Jun 2010, 16:01
he'd dominate
Ben the Gooner
4 Jun 2010, 16:01
Could we match the Rockets (or whoever he plays for now)'s offer?
Think of the marketing to 1.3 billion people in China, though.
forget rugby, I'd prefer we go for Yao Ming...
We would have the best ruck division in the league..
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/Corwo/Awsome%20Players/yao_ming.jpg
We already do! LOL!
FFS! We could get Gary Ablett at the price these tossers want to offer blokes like this, look at Dangerfield, Boak, Griffen and Sidebottom before this guy.
My thoughts exactly!!!
:thumbsu:
Philzsay
4 Jun 2010, 16:19
Could we match the Rockets (or whoever he plays for now)'s offer?
According to wiki earned $51M US in 2008.
I'm sure the Bowls Club would help sponsor him....
Ben the Gooner
4 Jun 2010, 16:19
The difference is we wouldn't have to trade for Inglis.
Plus Boak, Dangerfield ect actually have to a) want to leave and b) want to come to Essendon more than the 9 other Vic clubs
Ludwig van Bertstare
4 Jun 2010, 19:25
The AFL might be on track to sign another big name rugby league star with Essendon holding talks with Melbourne Storm giant Greg Inglis.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27224459-23211,00.html
stay true
4 Jun 2010, 19:31
I'm not sure how the marquee thing works in regards to the cap, but if we could get him for something like a $50-100k cap hit and rest outside, I wouldn't be against it.
Skeeta Olly
4 Jun 2010, 19:35
Might as well have a crack. Doubt he'll switch.
bipolarbeaR
4 Jun 2010, 19:54
Ok, IF we can get him when he is 23 then yes, when he is 25 then NO WAY.
needs a year to learn the game
Ben the Gooner
4 Jun 2010, 20:14
Would jizz.
We already do! LOL!
Would rather shaq cause hes got more muscle. Also in the jackass clip he got bottled and barely felt it.
I'm not sure if his salary would have to fit into your cap but if it did i don't think there would be a huge problem as i would imagine you have quite a bit of room in your salary cap.
bipolarbeaR
4 Jun 2010, 22:21
i would imagine you have quite a bit of room in your salary cap.
Are you saying our players are shit?
Are you saying our players are shit?
No but i don't think you have many players who would be commanding high salaries. Essendon are quite a good team but you don't really have a lot of star players at the moment.
Ludwig van Bertstare
4 Jun 2010, 23:00
lol, I think he was joking.
OzBomber
4 Jun 2010, 23:03
Not sure if there's a thread on this. If so, please merge.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27224459-23211,00.html
The Nine Network has reported the Bombers met with Inglis in Sydney on Friday night with a view to signing the 23-year-old.
The meeting comes just days after Inglis' former Storm teammate Israel Folau signed with new AFL franchise GWS and former Brisbane Broncos star Karmichael Hunt had his first training session with Gold Coast.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27224459-23211,00.html
I'm undecided on whether I want him. Surely we could get an absolute superstar for the same price?
Ludwig van Bertstare
4 Jun 2010, 23:09
Get him if he's prepared to convert now, but if it's in 2012, pass. We'll all be dead anyway.
Inglis has WAY more talent then Hunt and Izzy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ZK4eNcZ-0)
Hes only 23 so someone make this happen!
Also we could almsot get away with paying him peanuts and have the AFL foot most of the bill under 'marketing'.
Demitriou said the AFL want to attract more players.
I'd be more than interested.
What are we paying players like Prismall, Laycock, Welsh?
$300,000, I'd sign him in a heart beat, especially considering we won't get an opposition star (Boak, Dangerfield etc)
morebeer
4 Jun 2010, 23:20
How much is this 'marketing allowance'?
Does every team get it or are the expansion clubs an exception to the rule?
bipolarbeaR
4 Jun 2010, 23:24
It's just the expansion clubs I believe, if we can pay this dude 400k a year than I am ok with it, any more then piss off, also he needs to come over now, not in 2012.
Please if he ever wanted to switch, the AFL would be all over him.
As it would put a dagger through the NRL as they are main competitors!
The AFL would make a new rule of some 'switch code' thing and would offer him like $1.5M outside the cap a year and which ever club he goes to if it ever eventuates would pay like 500K...
We are not running a carnival, so why exactly to we need a marquee?
Ba-doom tish! :thumbsu:
As someone mentioned earlier, if the AFL gave us a naughty wink and said you can have him for half price on your cap then yeah he might be worth going after. Otherwise I don't see where he would fit into the side. KP player surely.
willingnable
5 Jun 2010, 00:04
Would love to see him run around in the AFL regardless of what team he was with. Inglis is X-factor plus, if he wants to play AFL any club that didnt chase him would be failing there supporters not to go after him.
Knight Ryders
5 Jun 2010, 07:41
This guy would be an absolute coo. I know our game can be complicated, but we are talking about probably the most complete athlete in Australian sport today. Where would we play him, I'd say practically anywhere we want to.
yes please. easily the most skilled player in the NRL, plus has arguably one of the best tackles in the NRL. Not to mention he's uba-fit and uba-athletic. Would be a lot better than Folau or Hunt
I think there guys - Hunt, Folou, Ingles - would all make good full forwards.
Big, strong, burst pace. Sit them in the square, let them brute their way through defenders, jump and mark the ball. They dont have to have awareness to do that. Ingles at FF and Hurley released to HBF to become the next Goddard...
I reckon let him take the kick outs. Kick to himself, run the length of the field, fend off 18 tackles, kick a goal. Just have to remember to bounce every 15 metres. :thumbsu:
Lance Uppercut
5 Jun 2010, 10:06
That said, McVeigh is just speaking hypotheticals, no one from the club is speaking to Inglis.
they are now it seems, unless the HUN are talking crap
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/greg-inglis-in-talks-with-bombers/story-e6frf9jf-1225875720478
While Essendon is playing the Swans at the SCG tomorrow, Bombers boss Ian Robson yesterday flew into Sydney a day earlier than his team for a meeting with Inglis' agent Al Gainey at a Sydney cafe.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/greg-inglis-in-talks-with-bombers/story-e6frf9jf-1225875720478
Call Me Cake
5 Jun 2010, 10:36
I know that recruiting a well known athlete is exciting for the club and it's supporters, mainly because we haven't really succeeded in getting any other high profile athletes in recent times.
But, I'm gonna have to say I don't want him. I don't think he's the type of athlete, let alone player we should be going after or wasting our time on.
The NRL coups taken by GC and WS are purely for marketing, we all know that already. You can eat up the "Hunt and Izzy will play 100 games and succeed" stuff up, but in reality, we all know the rush to get them has nothing to do with the experience or the "development" they'd bring to the teams. It's all for recognition, and then to follow it up with mediocre results.
Where is the experience and drive for a first premiership going to come for the new expansion teams? The big AFL coups they make along the way. That's right, their "development" and experience and push for the premiership will not come from the NRL coups, but from the Ablett's and Selwood's they bring in from other AFL clubs.
Why, as a developing club, should we go after marketing, when we have the biggest marketing tool that stretches and is strong as far away as WA, our own name?
We should be concentrating on what will bring us our next premiership. Simple as that. It's been far too long since our last flag, at least by Essendon's point of view... we can't afford to mess around anymore and take "risks". We need to solidify this side and bring in what will REALLY help us win that premiership.
Face the facts, Inglis is an NRL player, he grew up with the game and is pretty much used to grabbing that watermelon of a ball and running towards that "line". If people really think athletism is all it takes to be a an AFL star, or even a good AFL player for that matter, then they have another thing coming to them. Sure, if the person was of athletic ability and did not cement a habit in another sport that is ENTIRELY different (this means, there are no fundamental similarities) - then I'd pay that. But it's just not the case with Inglis, Hunt or Izzy. They are walking billboards when it comes to the AFL, and their novelty will soon fall away... for the true AFL stars to take their place in an effort to "continue" that interest. There are plenty of people with athletic ability out there, for example, our own drafts... full of people who know the fundamentals of the game and skills required right off the bat (not in a years or so point in time) and are able to expand on this without being dragged behind. The truth is, it takes more than that, but are we going to waste our time on any of them just because of their name and pay them millions? No. Because we have better things to do, and better things to concentrate on other than a 'name'.
If you're still reading this, then you probably either agree or disagree, but IMO, he is a waste of time, and a waste of money in terms of what type of club we are, where we're stationed and what we need for that next premiership.
morebeer
5 Jun 2010, 10:48
I guess I understand where you are coming from but its not as if the club is stopping in its tracks while we pursue GI.
Its everything as normal for the other players and staff not involved in recruitment.
I dont fully understand the implications for our salary cap just yet so i'l reserve judgement until then but at the moment im wrapt they are pushing the boundaries a bit more.
Guys, If we do go for him, he WON'T take part of our salary cap!
Therefore, we could go for BOTH Inglis AND Boak/Danger/Sidey (even though we wont get them)
I can't see any sort of negative? I'm not sure why people are objecting. He is outside of our salary cap. Its like having an extra player than everybody else! YES YES YES. Whether or not he turns out to be any good. There is no risk. He is not taking the position of a 'real footballer' he is just extra.
Done-Diddily-Done
The Donners
5 Jun 2010, 11:08
It's fair to say that we're can't pick up any star players from other clubs because our facilities are to put it bluntly, shithouse. Inglis would be attracted by the salary and staying in Melbourne.
Question is, why would he come to Essendon instead of the other Victorian clubs with better facilities? He won't, simple.
Nothing to worry about here.
morebeer
5 Jun 2010, 11:09
anf, are you sure that is actually correct? He would be totally outside the salary cap? I understand that he can be recruited outside the draft, like Meli, but the salary cap is different I thought.
From what I have read, even Hunt and Folau will be partly under their caps, the equivalent of an average AFL salary, so I guess about 300k. The remainder comes from the AFL as a 'marketing' allowance.
So would GI get the same marketing allowance from the AFL or is that just for the northern states?
Ben the Gooner
5 Jun 2010, 11:10
Question is, why would he come to Essendon instead of the other Victorian clubs with better facilities? He won't, simple.
Which is why there has to be a firm proposal signed off on by all relevant parties before Trade Week. It simply has to happen.
Beijing Bomber
5 Jun 2010, 11:13
The guy is an absolute freak. Not many people in the world with his speed, strength, ball handling skills and big game experience. If he doesn't come under the salary cap you would have to have your head read not taking a punt on teaching him how to punt.
Don't get hopes up too high though, I reckon he is just foxing for a nice cushy news ltd contract now the storm are gawn. Can't see NRL letting him go too easy, esp after the recent departures. It would be the bigger coup than the other two together.
Not convinced check his highlight package
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_mv9ErPT1c&feature=fvw
anf, are you sure that is actually correct? He would be totally outside the salary cap? I understand that he can be recruited outside the draft, like Meli, but the salary cap is different I thought.
From what I have read, even Hunt and Folau will be partly under their caps, the equivalent of an average AFL salary, so I guess about 300k. The remainder comes from the AFL as a 'marketing' allowance.
So would GI get the same marketing allowance from the AFL or is that just for the northern states?
IIRC.
I am of the belief that if a player has not been a part of football for 3 years at any level then they are able to be taken outside the salary cap.
Ben the Gooner
5 Jun 2010, 11:26
IIRC.
I am of the belief that if a player has not been a part of football for 3 years at any level then they are able to be taken outside the salary cap.
That's my understanding (/Hutchy) too, but why then are Hunt and Folau inside the cap?
I don't care for either code of Rugby, but I have seen a few States of Origin, and one of my brothers follows it a bit.
I always thought Inglis was the golden child of the NRL, until Folaou came along?
I had it in my head Inglis was at the level of say Jimmy Bartel, whereas Folaou was your Chris Judd/Gary Ablett.
Have I got it the other way around, or is this just a matter of opinion?
Ben the Gooner
5 Jun 2010, 11:39
Slater, Inglis and Hayne are your Riewoldt, Judd, Brown, Ablett tier - the best.
Folau is more like Buddy as a brilliant athlete even more than a brilliant footballer (and that's no slight on their footy/rugby abilities).
Hunt is a couple of notches down, below the Hayes, Goddard, Hodge level, in the Selwood level.
Wahooti Fandango
5 Jun 2010, 11:46
Why not target union players? I always thought that the most talented locks would make great ruckmen and many wingers would be quite handy.
For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andries_Bekker
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But Hodge is better than Judd!!
So who's at the level of Cyril?
Ah, cool. Cheers.
Yeah some of the footage I've seen of Folau is freakish; Buddy-like, even.
SirJimi05
5 Jun 2010, 11:57
I don't care for either code of Rugby, but I have seen a few States of Origin, and one of my brothers follows it a bit.
I always thought Inglis was the golden child of the NRL, until Folaou came along?
I had it in my head Inglis was at the level of say Jimmy Bartel, whereas Folaou was your Chris Judd/Gary Ablett.
Have I got it the other way around, or is this just a matter of opinion?
Inglis is a far better footballer then Issy. Inglis is a freak and his skills are far better. Inglis is far far more versaile and is the best player in the world (imo).
This is what Call Me Cake is not getting. This is not a marketing ploy by Essendon. Hecould actually makeit as an AFL player where as Issy and Hunt can't even kick properly.
I'm not sure if there is any footage out there but those that have seen him kick an AFL football (including AFL players) reckon he is a natural and a very competantkick of the football.
If you combine his skill set with his blistering pace, strength,and athletic ability, i reckon the chances are good. The problemwith Issy and Hunt is that they are going to spend years just trying to get their skills ups to AFL standard.
Just imagine a 195cm KP size player bolting through the middle of Etihad, burning off the midfielders as he goes, palming two or three off with his trademark "don't argue" along the way. This is the sort of prospect we have on our hands.
SirJimi05
5 Jun 2010, 12:00
Why not target union players? I always thought that the most talented locks would make great ruckmen and many wingers would be quite handy.
For example
Rugby players are on better coin than League players and would therefore be harder to attract.
crazy not to give such a talent a go if the chance arises & heres hoping it does
doubt if there a club in the league that isnt sounding out such prospects at the moment as most will loose an existing player shortly & if the afl's offering up a way for clubs to obtain nrl (or other) talent on the cheap, why not go for it
Beijing Bomber
5 Jun 2010, 12:50
get the contract ready
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Jonesy10
5 Jun 2010, 12:59
^^ Ha yeah, loved that kick. Seen a few videos of him smashing through a few tackles too. Seems very worth the risk if we get him on the cheap.
Ian Robson was on SEN today discussing Inglis. He said he's had conversations on the phone with Inglis' manager, and I think he said that they met in person today. Although he was pretty quick to say that it's really nothing yet. He didn't really say too much revealing, except that the talks have stopped and they've left Inglis with the decision, saying "he knows where we are". Also said that they've discussed it with the football department and Knights.
I think it was also pointed out that the AFL will pay a sum of his contract, although it wasn't clear-cut. Ian Robson seemed to think that Andrew Demetriou said that they would. Someone from the AFL is clearing it up a bit later on SEN.
The Donners
5 Jun 2010, 13:04
get the contract ready
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That's a freak goal?
I'm sitting on the fence with Inglis. I hate rugby and try and watch as little of it as possible, it's a shit sport. Wouldn't have a clue if he could make the transition. Without having even seen him play football I would say he couldn't. Rugby players don't have the tank to begin with.
All I see is a Nic Nat coming out of this. With all due respect to Nic Nat, he's a complete and utter piece of shit of a footballer. If I wanted to watch amazing athletes with zero football ability I'd watch the Olympic/Comm Games etc.
Call Me Cake
5 Jun 2010, 13:34
All I see is a Nic Nat coming out of this. With all due respect to Nic Nat, he's a complete and utter piece of shit of a footballer. If I wanted to watch amazing athletes with zero football ability I'd watch the Olympic/Comm Games etc.
:thumbsu:
Call Me Cake
5 Jun 2010, 13:39
This is what Call Me Cake is not getting. This is not a marketing ploy by Essendon. He could actually make it as an AFL player where as Issy and Hunt can't even kick properly.
It seems like you didn't get my point. I never said it was a marketing ploy by Essendon, read it again.
I understand this isn't being taken from a marketing point of view, but that's the point. I see no other reason to chase after him, waste our time on "developing" him or considering him as any future prospect in our next premiership. A marketing ploy is not what we need, yet that's all NRL players are being used for in the expansion states. They are walking billboards... not AFL prospects. Sure, they may make a mediocre impression, but it's the AFL stars that will pick up that slack and mask it. This is what the AFL coups of GC and WS will take care of.
Sure, some people may believe Inglis has what it takes to "transition" into AFL, but I'm seeing it from the opposite point of view. I've already explained why in my previous post.
You mention Inglis can make it as an AFL player because he can drop punt?... c'mon, it takes a lot more than that to be taken seriously in the context of the game. This is what I don't get... if we already know he's cemented himself into the habits of NRL and has to learn the fundamentals of the game to keep up with other AFL players his age (23) who are already expanding on this, then why bother?
I'm not extremely toe to toe with how the Salary cap comes into these coups, but aside from that, I don't want our club to see this as the "hail mary" of our development. We will recruit this NRL player with the intention of seeing a star, someone who will help our progress, someone who is going to be part of our premiership, without actually going for what we need, and what we should be putting our "faith" into. If anything, I see this as more of a copycat move by Essendon, buying all of the "NRL coups are the uncharted key to a hidden AFL star" crap, rather than taking their time in luring players that aren't simply going to be a list clogger.
In my opinion, the only use I see of Inglis at the moment, is the potential to put bums on seats for the first few weeks of the 2011 season. Nothing more, nothing less. And even then, we aren't guaranteed a 2011 start from Inglis.
Just imagine a 195cm KP size player bolting through the middle of Etihad, burning off the midfielders as he goes, palming two or three off with his trademark "don't argue" along the way. This is the sort of prospect we have on our hands.This is what you don't get. These players are masters at the "bolt", but it takes more than that to be a midfielder. How is he going to keep up with the agility of other AFL players around him in a 360? How is he going to get his hands on the ball in a contest where he has to stop, turn, keep a level head and kick a football with enough accuracy into the forward 50 so that our forwards can make the most of it? Hell even knows whether he'd be able to incorporate the bounce in the very "bolts" he's so used to executing on an NRL pitch.
When Inglis is running as an NRL player, he is anticipating a tackle and play-the-ball. Aussie rules doesn't work that way, you have to be conscious of where you are, how you're going to strategically put the ball in the advantage of one of your team mates and create opportunities when you don't have the ball... 360 degrees. It's not about how "far" you get, and it's not about scoring "tries", where running towards a line with a watermelon under your arm is considered as a "score". 90 or so % of potential AFL draft prospects know how to drop punt and fluke a few goals, but any serious development coach knows it takes more than that. Sure, if the person was of athletic ability and did not cement a habit in another sport that is ENTIRELY different (this means, there are no fundamental similarities) - then I'd pay that, but that's not the case here.
Once he "bolts" through an area where there is no off-side rule and turns the ball over, how is he going to regain all of that energy to keep up with everyone else on the field who are constantly running and constantly aware of their surroundings and/or ready for a contest around the pack? There's a difference between running in a straight line at full pace at the expense of an enormous amount of energy (with the anticipation of a tackle + play-the-ball) and covering the ground with a 360 degree awareness/anticipation + executing a kick/handball to the advantage of another teammate. There's a difference between a stop-start sport and a free running one. If anything, there's more of a chance of him becoming the type of player that botches up all of our efforts on the field and costs us a goal or two a game.
Salary cap aside, I don't think the expectations of these NRL players becoming worthy AFL players will be delivered, as I think they're nothing more than advertisements in NRL dominant states and hopeless expectations for anyone else who takes them seriously.
Anyway, that's my two cents, hopefully I explained it a little better. It'll be interesting to see what route Essendon FC ends up taking in all of this.
willingnable
5 Jun 2010, 15:13
The whole issue of having NRL players converting to AFL seems to have two schools of thought one is that to get as many talented players in the AFL as possible regardless of what sporting background they have. The other school of thought is I have always hated league so I don't want any ex-league players regardless of how much talent the player might have.
The way I see it is if we can have Irish players come over having played nothing more then an amateur sport or players with a strong basketball backgrounds can play AFL and have varying degrees of success in AFL, thee is no reason why professional rugby league players can not have successful careers in AFL and while most will turn out to be solid AFL players there will no doubt be some who will be absolute stars in AFL – and this is exactly what Inglis would be.
james_omahoney
5 Jun 2010, 17:10
The guy is an absolute freak. Not many people in the world with his speed, strength, ball handling skills and big game experience.
Plenty of guys in the world with even more than Inglis. Problem is most of them earn way more in the NFL and are chemically enhanced.
james_omahoney
5 Jun 2010, 17:19
get the contract ready
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Geez his action looks like Franklin's there; a bit of a load up/pendulum swing action with a slightly high ball drop.
Just aside, I'm really not a fan of youtube highlights of 'freak' goals where someone is obviously just having 100 shots of the same angle until they fluke it. I'm sure everyone here has had those 'from the boundary' games with their mates (and you ending snagging about 1 in 4 anyway).
Nothing 'freaky' about that kick whatsoever.
But I wouldn't be opposed to taking Inglis, so long as it doesn't squeeze out someone with more potential (i.e. natural football ability).
Essendon actually has a pretty big following outside Victoria (the largest of the Victorian clubs, IIRC) so there may actually be some 'marketing' merit for getting a star NRL player in terms of expanding our membership base.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
"If Essendon wanted to chat to us about a potential role for any of their players in helping promote the game, we'd look at it beyond what the normal contracts are.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
Right, so we can land the big fish on the cheap then. This could be very interesting
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
Right, so we can land the big fish on the cheap then. This could be very interesting
Shit just got serious.
Obviously the AFL would love to snag another big name rugby player and are prepared to give a helping hand to make it happen
And this is the 'loophole':
"Ten per cent of our lists are indigenous, but those players are almost exclusively sourced out of states other than New South Wales and Queensland," he said.
"We've certainly got some moves, not just to expand into the Pacific, but we want a greater share of indigenous athletes out of New South Wales and Queensland as well.
To my understanding, anyone who hasn't played AFL in 3 years gets to be listed as rookie (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's true, and he doesn't take up much room in the salary cap, I'd be more than willing to give him a go at AFL.
Freak athlete who has such a competitive nature that he'd manage the change IMO.
For all the people worried about his endurance.. if the Motlops and Whitnalls can survive in this world, why can't he?
I'd love to see him run a skills session though to see how he goes.
Also, in terms of understanding the game and overall awareness, it's something that can be developed over a couple of seasons (depending on whether he's a quick learner).
Personally, I could see him as a Max Rooke or Jarrad Waite type player who is hard at the ball, breaks tackles and delivers the ball up forward.
Julian_apostate
5 Jun 2010, 18:03
I think the sceptics may be missing the point: unlike Boak, Dangerfield et al, you wouldn't have to draft Inglis or trade for him, he can be fast-tracked straight in and a good part of his salary would probably be picked-up by the AFL and outside the cap.
It can be Inglis AND Boak or Dangerfield or whoever.
Come on over, Greg!
centrelink1
5 Jun 2010, 18:07
What about his pressure off the ball. He may be similar to our Alwyn, a better player without the ball.
I'd love to see him send Ballantyne off on a streatcher
Sports Tonight just said that "the Storm have confirmed that GI has been in talks with Essendon"
Also getting Dangerfield / Boak / Sidebottom will cost us a first round pick + big bucks, which I'm sure the club is willing to pay. GI will just be minimal money (with the AFL chipping in most via a marketing contract)
Ben the Gooner
5 Jun 2010, 18:10
Shit just got serious.
Obviously the AFL would love to snag another big name rugby player and are prepared to give a helping hand to make it happen
And this is the 'loophole':
If they're offering to pay Courtenay Dempsey's contract...
If they're offering to pay Courtenay Dempsey's contract...
Why? No one in NSW/QLD knows who Dempsey is.
guruisatiger
5 Jun 2010, 18:17
if his wage was outside the salary cap it would be a no brainer it would be absolutely worthit as long as your players all agrre with it it would be geat,but if his wage was inside the salary cap then u would be struggling to get him good luck would love to get billy slater to the tigers:thumbsu:
Ben the Gooner
5 Jun 2010, 18:19
Why? No one in NSW/QLD knows who Dempsey is.
I know, it was a joke. I can't think of many more Aboriginal lads from up there, though.
ghostdog
5 Jun 2010, 21:49
Slater, Inglis and Hayne are your Riewoldt, Judd, Brown, Ablett tier - the best.
Folau is more like Buddy as a brilliant athlete even more than a brilliant footballer (and that's no slight on their footy/rugby abilities).
Hunt is a couple of notches down, below the Hayes, Goddard, Hodge level, in the Selwood level.
If Inglis is outside the cap I say yes. Otherwise I'd prefer we focused on Boak.
FWIW, Hunt>Hayne
Although i doubt any official figures, as they probably would've been posted here already, but can someone enlighten me as to;
- What inglis's starting contract would be worth
- How much can the AFL pay him outside our cap
- Does he go on the senior or rookie list
Any other info on nabbing NRL players would be helpful also :)
For anyone oblivious to the ways of the NRL, which i watch a fair bit of (dont worry bombers support at heart :thumbsu:) , out of Hunt, Folau and Inglis, Inglis would have to be a mile ahead in terms of most likely to make it in the AFL
Last thing. WHY THE HELL AREN'T WE LOOKING AT BILLY SLATER!
morebeer
5 Jun 2010, 22:42
Billy Slater is kind of old. The other questions are up in the air.
Although i doubt any official figures, as they probably would've been posted here already, but can someone enlighten me as to;
- What inglis's starting contract would be worth
- How much can the AFL pay him outside our cap
- Does he go on the senior or rookie list
Any other info on nabbing NRL players would be helpful also :)
For anyone oblivious to the ways of the NRL, which i watch a fair bit of (dont worry bombers support at heart :thumbsu:) , out of Hunt, Folau and Inglis, Inglis would have to be a mile ahead in terms of most likely to make it in the AFL
Last thing. WHY THE HELL AREN'T WE LOOKING AT BILLY SLATER!
Slater is 27 in a few weeks, no point as he'd need at least a year to get used to the game and by then he'd only have a few years to prove his worth. Inglis is 23, plenty of time to forge a great career.
stay true
5 Jun 2010, 23:22
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
"If Essendon wanted to chat to us about a potential role for any of their players in helping promote the game, we'd look at it beyond what the normal contracts are.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx
Right, so we can land the big fish on the cheap then. This could be very interesting
Honestly, we have no reason not to make a big play for him. If it doesn't work out then it's only something like $50k-$100k cap hit per season. Well worth the risk.
bipolarbeaR
5 Jun 2010, 23:23
Slater is 27 in a few weeks, no point as he'd need at least a year to get used to the game and by then he'd only have a few years to prove his worth. Inglis is 23, plenty of time to forge a great career.
I am 23, Probably should recruit me, am a good full forward, kicked a point today :D
zacka123
5 Jun 2010, 23:27
Could see the Inglis gamble paying off. The large number of indigenous players at our club would make the transistion for him more comfortable for him. He could learn to kick etc off them.
Ben the Gooner
6 Jun 2010, 10:01
I am 23, Probably should recruit me, am a good full forward, kicked a point today :D
I'm 18 and kicked a 50m goal with a flat punt. :p
Charliebrow 16
6 Jun 2010, 11:17
I don't consider or believe that Inglis will ever be a pivotal or outstanding component within our side and structure. I perceive Inglis as being an individual that's serviceable and potentially above average.
If we're able to enlist him as a rookie or on significantly reduced salary, I'm talking $150,000 - $200,000 at most with the AFL then covering the majority of the cost, then I'm all for giving him the opportunity to prove himself at AFL level. I know that sounds incredibly selfish.
Obviously I want as much cap room as possible to entice Boak or Dangerfield over from S.A. Sidebottom could be a lesser possibility since he supported Essendon his entire childhood if I recall correctly.
gO_bOmBeRz
6 Jun 2010, 11:30
I don't consider or believe that Inglis will ever be a pivotal or outstanding component within our side and structure. I perceive Inglis as being an individual that's serviceable and potentially above average.
If we're able to enlist him as a rookie or on significantly reduced salary, I'm talking $150,000 - $200,000 at most with the AFL then covering the majority of the cost, then I'm all for giving him the opportunity to prove himself at AFL level. I know that sounds incredibly selfish.
Obviously I want as much cap room as possible to entice Boak or Dangerfield over from S.A. Sidebottom could be a lesser possibility since he supported Essendon his entire childhood if I recall correctly.
Dont you mean more of a possibility ?
Charliebrow 16
6 Jun 2010, 12:12
Dont you mean more of a possibility ?
I worded it incorrectly. However, I don't see Sidebottom leaving. Collingwood took the initiative to draft him. He hasn't had a contract extension as far as I'm aware since he's been at the club. Surely he would want to show gratitude and loyalty?
Slattery_20
7 Jun 2010, 09:08
Could see the Inglis gamble paying off. The large number of indigenous players at our club would make the transistion for him more comfortable for him. He could learn to kick etc off them.
I think he does speak English. So do our coaches. I imagine they'll probably do the coaching???
Dunno, personally. If he was $200k under the cap and the rest outside or AFL marketing money, it'd be worth a good, hard look. If we have to lock up $400k of our cap towards him, bugger it.
side issue - I personally wonder what the logical extreme of these marketing contracts is. Surely if we can pay GI marketing money cos he's aboriginal from QLD or NSW, we could also argue we could pay Dempsey under that too? What about McVeigh, surely we need to market AFL to the white metro population in NSW???
Borderline racism, even bringing race into it IMHO.
Slater is 27 in a few weeks, no point as he'd need at least a year to get used to the game and by then he'd only have a few years to prove his worth. Inglis is 23, plenty of time to forge a great career.
Dunno about you but i reckon Slater will be one of those robert Harveyesque freaks that plays forever
Not the time or place to argue about it though :)
TimeReaper
7 Jun 2010, 14:17
I think if the money paid to Inglis is outside the Salary Cap or a lot of it is. I think it is worth a try at picking him up. We will still have money in the cap to pay for our players normally and for developing players. If the NRL player fails no loss except money outside of the cap. If it works out and we have a gun well then we have a gun for nearly nothing.
If he does not add to our premiership aspirations in a material way, why bother? :confused:
He should not get a cent more than he is worth. GC and GWS have good reason to chase these players and have a longer lead in time.
We dont want mercenaries in it only for the money. Inglis is being forced out, Hunt was ready to leave, Folau is keen to give AFL a go.
Bombers42
7 Jun 2010, 14:28
This is ridiculous, Only reason new clubs did it was to draw popularity and members as a last resort, no we dont need a rugby player, we need to have faith in our young up and comer's
LOL.. surely the bigger issue then becomes what is the point of having a salary cap if you can go outside it when it suits? Visy.. Hunt.. GI..
And if the AFL is paying.. why not get a huge offer together and go over to the US college basketball system and pick up a star.. These guys are all near 7 ft and play like midfielders in terms of agility and speed...
I'll tell you what a marketing coup would be.. actually convincing anyone other than washed up shotgun m williams to come to our club.. who was our last big signing??
We have serious recruitment issues and we are busy chatting up GI??? FFS..
HORNSKULL
25 Nov 2010, 08:19
Please dont hate on this, clearly im just spit ballling.....BUT
We were looking at him just after he had too leave the Storm, is there time too get in in the PSD???
Could be a good pick up as he is only 23.
Thoughts?
Slattery_20
25 Nov 2010, 08:21
Who is "we"? GC?
Seems to be a better athletic fit for our game than either Hunt or Folau. But that doesn't mean a heck-of-a lot
HORNSKULL
25 Nov 2010, 08:24
No Essendon, 1 of my mates changed it too GOLD COAST! Im Essendon!
I think " we " should get him!