Round 12 v Melbourne: teams

[DaveW]

ADELAIDE v MELBOURNE
Sunday, 2:40pm AEST, AAMI Stadium

ADELAIDE
B: Massie, Bassett, Hart.
HB: Smart, McGregor, Johncock.
C: Begley, Ricciuto, Doughty.
HF: Edwards, Perrie, McLeod.
F: Welsh, Burton, Ladhams.
FOLL: Biglands, Stenglein, Bickley.
I/C (from): Gallagher, Hentschel, Mattner, Nelson, Shirley, Smith, Torney.
IN: Hentschel, Nelson, Shirley, Smith, Stenglein.
OUT: Goodwin (wrist), Marsh (knee).

MELBOURNE
B: Whelan, Nicholson, Bizzell.
HB: Williams, Lamb, Walsh.
C: Johnstone, Godfrey, Heffernan.
HF: Green, Miller, Bruce.
F: Vardy, Neitz, Robertson.
FOLL: Jamar, Yze, Leoncelli.
I/C (from): Armstrong, Ferguson, Jolly, McDonald, Rigoni, Rivers, Thompson.
IN: Armstrong, Jolly, Miller, Rivers, Walsh.
OUT: Ward (groin), White (shin).
NEW: Jared Rivers (18). 191cm, 85kg. North Adelaide.

[DaveW]

I don't suppose someone can confirm who has and who hasn't been named for their SANFL clubs this week?

[Blues_Girl]

Remembered everyone this time! :p :D

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by DaveW
I don't suppose someone can confirm who has and who hasn't been named for their SANFL clubs this week?

I can in the morning! :p

[noddy]

Originally posted by DaveW
I don't suppose someone can confirm who has and who hasn't been named for their SANFL clubs this week?

Graham Cornes did mention on radio that both Shirley & Hentschel were not in the Eagles side.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
ADELAIDE
I/C (from): Gallagher, Hentschel, Mattner, Nelson, Shirley, Smith, Torney.
Well if Hentcschel & Shirley have exluded from the Eagles, I expect Mattner, Nelson & Smith will be the emergencies. ie. Can't see either Gags or Torney being dropped.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by noddy
Graham Cornes did mention on radio that both Shirley & Hentschel were not in the Eagles side. Thats correct noddy. I suspects that ins and outs are

IN: Stenglein, Shriley and Hentschel
OUT: Goodwin, Marsh and Mattner:D

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Well if Hentcschel & Shirley have exluded from the Eagles, I expect Mattner, Nelson & Smith will be the emergencies. ie. Can't see either Gags or Torney being dropped.

Woo Hoo!!!! Can't complain about that :D

[noddy]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Well if Hentcschel & Shirley have exluded from the Eagles, I expect Mattner, Nelson & Smith will be the emergencies. ie. Can't see either Gags or Torney being dropped.

What's the betting on Gallagher being dropped before Mattner??

still can't work out why Gallagher spent the 2nd half on the bench last week,

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by noddy
What's the betting on Gallagher being dropped before Mattner?? Wouldn't surprise me at all noddy. I guess we will know tommorrow.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by noddy
What's the betting on Gallagher being dropped before Mattner??

still can't work out why Gallagher spent the 2nd half on the bench last week, The fact that Mattner has been named on the bench rather than the starting 18 (where he normally is named) would suggest he is in strife. I would be really p!$$ed off if he is named ahead of Gags. I can't see Gags getting dropped, given Shirley is probably going to play.

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I suspects that ins and outs are

IN: Stenglein, Shriley and Hentschel
OUT: Goodwin, Marsh and Mattner:D

You'd almost bet on that young Stiffmeister.

Stinga to take on Goody's role. Shirley as the tagger. Hentschel to be the tall in place of Marsh.

Time for Biglands to go to a new level on Sunday.

[lamby29]

Young South Australian Jared Rivers is on the Melbourne bench, so he is an outside chance of playing against the Crows. Have any of you seen him play before? If so, do you rate him?

[Blues_Girl]

Morning All :)

Ins: Stenglein, Shirley, Hentschel
Outs:Nelson, Smith, Mattner

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Blues_Girl
Morning All :)

Ins: Stenglein, Shirley, Hentschel
Outs:Nelson, Smith, Mattner I was right and as far as I am concerned, Sturt can have Mattner for the rest of the year. I think you would be happy with that Blues_Girl;)

[DOCKERZ]

Me neither Noddy, I had 'Gags' in my dreamteam, and was pretty happy at halftime, only to not see him appear again. After seeing him named on the I/T, I came in here to see if he had a niggling injury and if he was actually going to take the field... So far so good.

Odd that Gary Ayres...Odd.:confused:

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I was right ans as far as I am concerned, Sturt can have Mattner for the rest of the year. I think you would be happy with that Blues_Girl;)

****ing oath luv :) He's qualified for finals now and will boost a lacking midfield!

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Blues_Girl
****ing oath luv :) He's qualified for finals now and will boost a lacking midfield! Well you can have him.;) :) :D

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Well you can have him.;) :) :D

And we'll take him, with pleasure. :D

Being back at Sturt seems to bring out the best in his ability.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Blues_Girl
And we'll take him, with pleasure. :D

Being back at Sturt seems to bring out the best in his ability. He usually plays really well for Sturt but once he gets a go with the Crows he looks lost.:(

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He usually plays really well for Sturt but once he gets a go with the Crows he looks lost.:(

I agree he does. He started out really well last year but then come this year he looked lost. :(

Oh well as long as his good form continues at Sturt I can't really complain :D

[Stiffy_18]

After knowing for certain who is in and who is out (unless there is a hicup at training today) here is how I would start them:

_ F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 40. Chris Ladhams _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 24. Brett Burton
_C: _ 20. Tyson Stenglein _ 26. Mark Bickley _ 28. James Begley
HB: _ 15. Jason Torney _ 37. Trent Hentschel _ 3. Kris Massie
_B: _ 7. Nigel Smart _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 23. Andrew McLeod

Int: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 12. Robert Shirley _ 21. James Gallagher

1. I would start Hentschel at CHB especially if Miller plays CHF for the Dees as named. It would be easier for for him to adapt as a defender than it is as a key forward.

2. Since Melbourne have a reasonably short defence I would rotate McGregor and Biglands through ruck and FF (if its not a wet and rainy day). This would enable them to have rest when they play at FF and at the same time strech Melbourne's defence. Must surround them with crumbers. Burton should play as a floating forward who has the freedom to roam to the wing.

3. I think that Johncock will be rotated through the midfield as will the likes of Torney. Start Stiffy on the bench and rotate him through with say Bickley or Roo. Stiffy is due for a BIG one and I hope its this week.

4. I guess Bassett will get the first crack at Neitz who will be fired up, no question about that. I guess this is where Hentschel can help out by droping in in front of Neitz and using his arial power to play a bit like a sweeper.

5. I guess Smart will get Robertson and Hart will get Vardy. Massie could get Bruce

Shirley might start on the ground as a tagger to free up Stenglein to play more attacking role.

Thoughts??????:)

[noddy]

I know McGregor done ok last week when shifted up forward Stiffy but i would still prefer him at chb where he has been good all year, maybe if we are struggling up forward we could do what we done last week,

my line up would be =

F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 24, Brett Burton _ 18. Graham John****
HF: _ 40. Chris Ladhams _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 9. Tyson Edwards
_C: _ 20. Tyson Stenglein _12. Robert Shirley _ 28. James Begley
HB: _ 15. Jason Torney _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 3. Kris Massie
_B: _ 7, Nigel Smart_ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 23. Andrew McLeod

Int: _ _ 11. Michael Doughty _ _ 21. James Gallagher_ 37, Trent Hentschel _ 26. Mark Bickley


Think Shirley will tag Yze, Stenglein to shadow Leoncelli ( who always plays well against us ) & agree with Hart on Vardy & Smart on Robertson,

Biglands to work his butt off & ruck all day,

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by noddy
I know McGregor done ok last week when shifted up forward Stiffy but i would still prefer him at chb where he has been good all year, maybe if we are struggling up forward we could do what we done last week.

Biglands to work his butt off & ruck all day, The only reason I would start McGregor at FF is because he will HAVE to play in the ruck to give Biglands a breather. There is no way Biglands has the aerobic capacity to ruck all day. He will be stuffed by the fourth quarter and thats where Melbourne could get the advantage. McGregor should go into the ruck at the 20th minute mark of each quarter otherwise we will get outplayed in the ruck in last quarter.

Thats the only way I see us having a chance in the ruck. If we play McGregor at CHB and then rotate him through the ruck he will be stuffed. We need to rotate the players so we have fresh legs in vital positionscome the 4th quarter when everything will be decided.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Blues_Girl
Morning All :)

Ins: Stenglein, Shirley, Hentschel
Outs:Nelson, Smith, Mattner What?! You mean Martin Mattner's gold pass has expired?!?!

:D

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by DaveW
What?! You mean Martin Mattner's gold pass has expired?!?!

:D

Now now don't be horrible!

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
What?! You mean Martin Mattner's gold pass has expired?!?!

:D I guess he must of misplaced those photos of Ayresey in a compromising position. ;) :o

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
_ F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 9. Tyson Edwards
HF: _ 40. Chris Ladhams _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 24. Brett Burton
_C: _ 20. Tyson Stenglein _ 26. Mark Bickley _ 28. James Begley
HB: _ 15. Jason Torney _ 37. Trent Hentschel _ 3. Kris Massie
_B: _ 7. Nigel Smart _ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 23. Andrew McLeod

Int: _ 18. Graham Johncock _ 11. Michael Doughty _ 12. Robert Shirley _ 21. James Gallagher

Team looks OK Stiffy. Don't mind the idea of Hentschel playing CHB if the Demons play a tall like Miller there. If they go shorter with Robbo, Smarty can play CHB with Stiffy coming on. I reckon both Gags & Dogga deserve to start ahead of (2 of) Burton / Begley / Ladhams. I would consider rotating Welsh & Burton due to their lack of match fitness.

[macca23]

Originally posted by noddy

F: _ 17. Scott Welsh _ 24, Brett Burton _ 18. Graham John****
HF: _ 40. Chris Ladhams _ 22. Ian Perrie _ 9. Tyson Edwards
_C: _ 20. Tyson Stenglein _12. Robert Shirley _ 28. James Begley
HB: _ 15. Jason Torney _ 16. Ken McGregor _ 3. Kris Massie
_B: _ 7, Nigel Smart_ 8. Nathan Bassett _ 34. Ben Hart
1R: _ 35. Rhett Biglands _ 32. Mark Ricciuto _ 23. Andrew McLeod

Int: _ _ 11. Michael Doughty _ _ 21. James Gallagher_ 37, Trent Hentschel _ 26. Mark Bickley



I prefer your line-up noddy with McGregor starting at CHB. Neitz is the key to any chance of a Melbourne win and I'd rather have the bigger body of Kenny and Biglands dropping back to make it difficult for Neitz to lead into space. Besides I hate messing with a player's confidence when he is really firing in a key spot and Kenny has had an excellent year at CHB.

I've had a bit of a rethink, and I would play Biglands in the ruck all day but only working from the centre back, playing a kick behind the play, which should see him go the journey. If we started Hentschel at FF (and I think this is the right game to do it in), then it would be up to him and Perrie, particularly Perrie, to do the up forward ruck work.

[Stiffy_18]

The closer we get to this game the more anxious I am. The more I think about it the more important this game is for us. We have not been playing good footy for the past 3 weeks yet we managed to sneak 2 wins. Melbourne will REALLY be fired up and will no doubt be a tough opposition. This will probably be the toughest game so far this season.

Win and we are back in the drivers seat. Loose and top 4 spot is definetly out of question.

If we manage to win tommorow we would only be one game out of the top 4. Loose and we are back in the pack and with not much hope.

We should get some players back from injury but they will not be match fit. If we are lucky enough and don't get any injuries then by round 16 we should hit our straps. But the draw inlast 5-6 weeks looks difficult.

The bottom line is we MUST win to get the 4 points and much needed confidence.:(

[macca23]

As usual young Stiffmeister, right on the ball. It's not just another game and I hope the players play accordingly. It is a season defining game.

Lose and we wouldn't even be certainties to make the 8. Win and we retain some chance of making the final 4 which is the place to be come finals time.

It's not just another game!!!

[noddy]

Originally posted by macca23
As usual young Stiffmeister, right on the ball. It's not just another game and I hope the players play accordingly. It is a season defining game.

Lose and we wouldn't even be certainties to make the 8. Win and we retain some chance of making the final 4 which is the place to be come finals time.

It's not just another game!!!

Definitely not just another game macca & i agree with you & Stiffy in that this is the most important game we have played all year & a win will cement our place in the 8 with a real chance of a top 4 spot or lose & we are back in the pack struggling with the likes of Essendon & Richmond,

but one thing we have shown this year & last is that we are never beaten & that we can win these crunch games regardless of who is out injured,

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by noddy
Definitely not just another game macca & i agree with you & Stiffy in that this is the most important game we have played all year & a win will cement our place in the 8 with a real chance of a top 4 spot or lose & we are back in the pack struggling with the likes of Essendon & Richmond,

but one thing we have shown this year & last is that we are never beaten & that we can win these crunch games regardless of who is out injured, It will all come down to mental application. If we are as much as 0.5% off the mark, Melbourne will run away with it. Mind you the weather won't help us much.

[Macca19]

Im looking forward to Hentschels game today. Hes been in pretty much horrid form for the Eagles and has only got a game thru lack of options...but this could be a real blessing for him and if he can kick a couple of goals then it could be the start of his career he really needs!!

Hope he does well.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
Im looking forward to Hentschels game today. Hes been in pretty much horrid form for the Eagles and has only got a game thru lack of options...but this could be a real blessing for him and if he can kick a couple of goals then it could be the start of his career he really needs!!

Hope he does well. Thanks Macca19.

He has only one good game behind him and gets a go when he probably hasn't deserved it. I have a feeling he will play in defence. I just hope he does well.

Not a good time to get a flu!!!!!!:(

[Stiffy_18]

Boy am I glad we won, and to top it off we boosted our percentage. We are 7-5 with 3rd best percentage. We are one game outside top 4 and are about to get our first choice players back.

If we beat Carlton, Port beat Sydney, WC beat Kangaroos and Hawthorn upset Fremantle in Melbourne then we would go into the top 4. I think we need to get on a roll now and get some momentum and settle our structure before we get to the finals.

I look forward to the days when we have our 1st choice forward line out on the park firing. Even with all those injuries in the forward line we are still 4th in points scored and we conceeded the 3rd lowest score in the league. :D All this and we haven't played anywhere near our best footy so far this year :)

Good to see Kris Massie continuing on with his solid form. he is playing a much better footy tha last year.:)

[macca23]

One thing worth mentioning IMO is how poorly Vardy went today. Hardly gave a yelp and wasn't allowed to.

We certainly haven't missed him because he is too much of a hot and cold player with a lot more cold than hot!!

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
One thing worth mentioning IMO is how poorly Vardy went today. Hardly gave a yelp and wasn't allowed to.

We certainly haven't missed him because he is too much of a hot and cold player with a lot more cold than hot!! Very true macca23 but I still think we should have got a lot more in return for him:(

[befuddled]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Very true macca23 but I still think we should have got a lot more in return for him:( The incredible thing is that we got screwed over twice in that deal. First we traded Vardy, a quality player, never mind his current form slump, for a measly fourth round pick. This was a very lopsided deal.

Then we traded that pick for Daniel Schell. Which is roughly what Schell was worth. But Fremantle just had to rub salt into the wounds by picking up the bargain of the 2001 draft in Paul Medhurst with that pick. :(

[macca23]

Originally posted by befuddled
The incredible thing is that we got screwed over twice in that deal. First we traded Vardy, a quality player, never mind his current form slump, for a measly fourth round pick. This was a very lopsided deal.

Then we traded that pick for Daniel Schell. Which is roughly what Schell was worth. But Fremantle just had to rub salt into the wounds by picking up the bargain of the 2001 draft in Paul Medhurst with that pick. :(

Yep, correct on all counts.

By the end of this year we will have turned having Vardy into an almost certain delistment in Schell.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Yep, correct on all counts.

By the end of this year we will have turned having Vardy into an almost certain delistment in Schell. He is as good as gone. He has been injured for majority of the year and when he did come in for a game he did bugger all. Nelson is the other one thats a certainty. Shirley, Smith, Bock, Crowell and Marsh are all on shaky ground. Dare I say it if we don't get a ruckman we will have the "pleasue" af Marsh's company once again:(

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He is as good as gone. He has been injured for majority of the year and when he did come in for a game he did bugger all. Nelson is the other one thats a certainty. Shirley, Smith, Bock, Crowell and Marsh are all on shaky ground. Dare I say it if we don't get a ruckman we will have the "pleasue" af Marsh's company once again:(

You'd have to think that the certain delistings are Schell, Nelson and Crowell (cruel but reality).

Every team has to create at least 3 draft picks by delistments.

Upgrades from the rookie list increase the number of required delistments, and at this stage you'd think that both Parker and Porplyzia are big chances to be upgraded.

That would require a further 2 to be delisted. Smith would probably be one. Not sure about Shirley as he never embarrasses himself at AFL level when chosen.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
You'd have to think that the certain delistings are Schell, Nelson and Crowell (cruel but reality).

Every team has to create at least 3 draft picks by delistments.

Upgrades from the rookie list increase the number of required delistments, and at this stage you'd think that both Parker and Porplyzia are big chances to be upgraded.

That would require a further 2 to be delisted. Smith would probably be one. Not sure about Shirley as he never embarrasses himself at AFL level when chosen.

We have 39 on the list now but we are allowed 40. If you delist 3 and Bickley retires that means you only have to delist one to upgrade 2 rookies (Note: Maths is not really my strongest point).

I am seriously considering Motlop boys at the moment. Both are out of favour and with a bit of discipline they could come really good as both have sh*tloads of talent.;)

Still not convinced on Delisting Crowell as there is no one good enough for small slippery forwards. If we can get someone via trade then he is gone.

I also think Ryan Ablett from Westies could be a bargain. Should get him rookie listed next year.;)

[DaveW]

Originally posted by macca23
Upgrades from the rookie list increase the number of required delistments, and at this stage you'd think that both Parker and Porplyzia are big chances to be upgraded. How is Porplyzia going? I haven't heard anything about his form or that of Skipworth's and Bratton's either.

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
We have 39 on the list now but we are allowed 40. If you delist 3 and Bickley retires that means you only have to delist one to upgrade 2 rookies (Note: Maths is not really my strongest point).

Still not convinced on Delisting Crowell as there is no one good enough for small slippery forwards. If we can get someone via trade then he is gone.


Forgot about the vacancy on the main list. Correctimondo Stiffy!! ;)

I really do think Crowell is in genuine danger of delistment. At full strength he's not in our first 22, and he won't be available until mid next year. Smells trouble for him to me.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
How is Porplyzia going? I haven't heard anything about his form or that of Skipworth's and Bratton's either.

Porplyzia is a regular in Westies side and is a little general in back pocket. He does his job week in week out and when he gets a bit of the ball he uses it well.

Bratton returned to Norwood reserves a couple of weeks ago after a shoulder reco. He is not doing much but apparently can run all day and has a neat disposal.

Skippy has been doing very well at WWT. he is regularly in Eagles' best players and usually kicks a goal or two with his 20 odd possesions a game.