Team Rnd 12

[footycool]

In: Bellchambers,Dyson,H Slattery,Stanton,Fletcher
Out: Prismall,Atkinson,Hille,Howlett,Monfries

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/matches/preview.asp?round_no=12&sub_section=preview

[Phone]

In: Bellchambers, Dyson, Stanton, H.Slattery, Fletcher
Out: Hille (hamstring), Monfries (hamstring), Howlett (omitted), Atkinson (omitted), Prismall (omitted)

Emergencies: Brent Prismall, Bachar Houli, Jarrod Atkinson

edit me cant delete this.

[lamaros]

In: Bellchambers,Dyson,H Slattery
Out: Prismall,Atkinson,Hille

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/matches/preview.asp?round_no=12&sub_section=preview

+Stants, Fletcher :)

Lonergan still in. Would have preferred Reimers for him, but otherwise I'm happy.

Howlett is also out.

Emergencies: Brent Prismall, Bachar Houli, Jarrod Atkinson
In: Bellchambers, Dyson, Stanton, H.Slattery, Fletcher
Out: Hille (hamstring), Monfries (hamstring), Howlett (omitted), Atkinson (omitted), Prismall (omitted)

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong team:

In: Cameron Ling, Trent West
Out: Cameron Mooney (ankle), Dawson Simpson

Apart from his good form, Westy is playing because he gives us a key forward option which Dawson doesn't, so expect him to alternate between there and the ruck. Looking forward to this game.

[Kong]

Personally I don't mind the changes, but I might wait for Ben and Longy on this one :D

[Duckworth]

Footycool wtf is up with your sig?

[footycool]

Footycool wtf is up with your sig?
A bet i made with a fellow collingwood BF poster on Anzac day :(

I hate it

[Frothies Mcveigh]

No Williams is still a worry. Would rather Reimers over Lonergan but great to have Fletch and Stants in.

[Cheapies]

Footycool wtf is up with your sig?

second that

[whats_at_stake]

In: Bellchambers,Dyson,H Slattery,Stanton,Fletcher
Out: Prismall,Atkinson,Hille,Howlett,Monfries

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/matches/preview.asp?round_no=12&sub_section=preview

Would prefer Reimers in instead of Lonergan, Atkinson to have kept his spot for Slattery and Prismall is pretty stiff as well.

[Cheapies]

A bet i made with a fellow collingwood BF poster on Anzac day :(

I hate it

haha, thats unfortunate

[lamaros]

I really don't know how Lonergan is getting a game when Howlett and Prismall are getting dropped.

All he knows how to do is fall on the ball and fail to hatch it. Really disappointed.

If anyone else, Williams, Reimers, whatever, was in for him I would tip us to win. As it is I can't see it. :(

[Skeeta Olly]

Where. is. Reimers.

[bombers2011]

WTF!? No Reimers or Williams and still we have Lonergan?
I am flummoxed.
No one picked those changes.
Happy that the Melkman is in.
Also happy for Bellchambers to get a crack.

[Kong]

Yeah no Williams is pretty surprising.

Hard to imagine him breaking back into the side if he can't even do it with Monfries and Hille out of the side.

[Duckworth]

No Williams is still a worry. Would rather Reimers over Lonergan but great to have Fletch and Stants in.

He's got to do something to get selected. Doesn't kick goals - but he's been playing higher up the ground?... but only gets 6 touches.

I wanted him in last week, but after that performance at Bendigo he doesn't deserve to come in.

[WeAreEssendon]

Prismall (omitted)



.. and he got votes in a paper on the weekend. Never trust what you read in the paper.

Good changes for mine. Would have liked Reimers to be in but you can only make so many changes.

[table tennis]

I am disappointed Prismall is out.

I think Atkinson is stiff too, I like the ins, but feel for the dropped, I suppose its a sign of a good side.

I know the Herald sun doesnt mean anything, but not often you see someone get 3 votes then get dropped!!

Go Bombers.....

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

Great changes.

[bacon buster]

changes don't do anything for me.

suprised atkinson isn't playing. carlton beat the cats with pace, and our team looks slower now.

[lamaros]

WTF!? No Reimers and still we have Lonergan?
I am flummoxed.
No one picked those changes.
Happy that the Melkman is in.
Also happy for Bellchambers to get a crack.

Picked all of them*, expect I had Melksham out with an injury and Prismall still in.

*Had Lonergan out for Reimers, as he should have been...

[Pure_Ownage]

Just the full list for you:

Geelong vs. Essendon
B: Josh Hunt - Tom Lonergan - Andrew Mackie
HB: Corey Enright - Harry Taylor - Darren Milburn
C: James Kelly - Cameron Ling - Jimmy Bartel
HF: Steve Johnson - James Podsiadly - Travis Varcoe
F: Mathew Stokes - Trent West - Gary Ablett
Foll: Mark Blake - Joel Selwood - Paul Chapman
Int : Shannon Byrnes, Taylor Hunt, David Wojcinski, Simon Hogan
Emerg: Ryan Gamble - Mitch Duncan - Tom Gillies

In: Cameron Ling, Trent West
Out: Cameron Mooney (ankle), Dawson Simpson

[Cheapies]

surely williams or reimers would should of been included. looks like were relying on 13 goal kickers this week....

[whats_at_stake]

I know we all say selection pressure is great and everything but personally I think it will harm us this year. With Gold Coast circling players like Reimers may decide to head there due to a lack of oppurtunities.

[Skeeta Olly]

Great changes.

Can't beleive Atkinson got omitted.

He is going to be in the Leadership group next year as well :(

I'M BEING SARCASTIC BTW

[anf06]

Very surprised Lonergan keeps his spot over Prismall and Howlett. Very very stiff. Considering what J.McViegh did to us in the 3rd quarter with Longergan on him, I hope he goes nowhere near the midfield.

Prismall > Howlett > Lonergan ATM. Other changes however, are all good :)

[Juggalo Balla]

Prismall dropped because it's squeezy for spots??

Sounds a bit strange to me. They don't think he's up to it against the Cats?

[oddsok]

changes don't do anything for me.

suprised atkinson isn't playing. carlton beat the cats with pace, and our team looks slower now.Completely agree- Longergan and Slattery are slow. Atkinson and Reimers are quick.

[Godzke]

B: Henry Slattery, Tayte Pears, David Myers
HB: Courtenay Dempsey, Dustin Fletcher, Mark McVeigh
C: Heath Hocking, Jobe Watson, Jason Winderlich
HF: Brent Stanton, Scott Gumbleton, Sam Lonergan
F: Leroy Jetta, Michael Hurley, David Zaharakis
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Andrew Welsh, Jake Melksham
I/C: Alwyn Davey, Thomas Bellchambers, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Ricky Dyson
Emg: Brent Prismall, Bachar Houli, Jarrod Atkinson

In: Bellchambers, Dyson, Stanton, Slattery, Fletcher
Out: David Hille (hamstring), Angus Monfries (hamstring), Ben Howlett, Jarrod Atkinson, Brent Prismall

LOL @ "Prismall near BOG last week, why drop him?" brigade. Thank **** our selection committee doesn't include you lot.

Kick in the arse to a player who deserves it.

[LemmingMaster]

Picked all of them*, expect I had Melksham out with an injury and Prismall still in.

*Had Lonergan out for Reimers, as he should have been...

You picked all of them apart from two mistakes?

:thumbsu:

[beev]

I've got a few issues with selection:

Bit harsh on Pris and Atkinson, Howlett fair enough.

We lose two goal kicking options this week in Hille and Monfries and we bring in no goal kickers. :confused:

Is it just me or does that team look a tad slow?

[Duckworth]

In: Bellchambers,Dyson,H Slattery,Stanton,Fletcher
Out: Prismall,Atkinson,Hille,Howlett,Monfries


Bellchambers in for Hille inj
Slattery in for Atkinson
Dyson in for Prismall
Stanton for Howlett
Fletcher in for Monfries inj (Hurley to go forward)

We still maintain a similar winning structure. The bolded ones had to happen.

[Ruob]

Disappointed that Reimers or Williams haven't been put in to replace Lonergan. Otherwise, no major complaints.

[Phone]

Prismall dropped because it's squeezy for spots??

Sounds a bit strange to me. They don't think he's up to it against the Cats?

It's cause he's a bit shit when it comes to using the ball, and being a mostly outside player that isn't good. Plus Stants already has the role of "unreliable disposal but great runner" stitched up.

[lamaros]

You picked all of them apart from two mistakes?

:thumbsu:

Thanks! :)

[keepzitreal]

Atkinson and Howlett should have stayed in instead of bringing in Slattery and Dyson.

We're replacing an inside midfielder with an outside midfielder

And

We're replacing an X-Factor defender in Atko with Slatts who is likely to get owned by SJ.

Bad move and we'll get caught out..

happy with the Belltower coming in though..

[Duckworth]

Quick everyone go to the TAB and bet on us to win. EVERY time people on here are unhappy with selections we win! :thumbsu:

[theboxmike]

Don't like no Williams into the side or Reimers. Personally would like Atko to stay in as well.

[BomberTime]

I can only guess that they are keeping lonergan in the team as that defensive forward maybe to do a job on enright or someone. But i agree with other people, i would have liked to see reimers in the team, as lonergan doesnt get the ball or kick goals...so whats the point of having him in our forward line? Hopefully reimers plays well for bendigo this week.

Not too surprised with howlett, doesnt get it enough. Prismall, well he payed for butchering the ball last week and atkinson is unlucky. Im fairly happy with the changes. Happy that geelong have brought in another ruckman to play forward as well in trent west, as fletch can go to him and play comfortably out of the goal square on him and pears can take pods who you would think is underdone and is not a true lead up forward like mooney. So will be interesting.

Does anyone know if melksham trained much this week? still could be a late withdrawal?

[BrunoV]

I really don't know how Lonergan is getting a game when Howlett and Prismall are getting dropped.

Lonergan has not been good enough for the last few weeks, both Howlett and Prismall have been better.

[bombers2011]

Is it too premature to say that Reimers and Houli are currently being packaged up with a pretty bow for our Marquee midfielder trade?

PS- Knights LOVES Sam Lonergan (too much)

[lamaros]

Pretty simple:

Bellchambers for Hille - No brainer given the injury.

Dyson for Atkinson - No brainer given Dyson has had two weeks at Bendigo. Don't get confused by the lineup. Dyson will play in Atkinson's main role on HB/Wing. Atkinson is not a small defender and was only there last week at times because the selectors weren't brave enough to bring in an actual defender to the team.

Slattery for Howlett - Slattery plays down back in his normal role, Myers will run more through the middle and off half-back. Probably likely to take the defensive side of this role and let Dempsey take the looser one.

Stanton for Prismall - Like for like, just Stanton is better 9 times out of 10.

Fletcher for Monfries - Hurley is going forward. Fletch will fit back in defence with Slattery. McVeigh/Pears/Hocking/Myers and Dempsey will reshuffle to fill the other defensive roles as needed. Hurley will play FF, which we lacked last week (Jetta and Davey won't have to take as many contested marks in the F50), giving Zaka more room to push into Monfries' role and Lonergan to push into the midfield and Howlett's role. Gumby will play CHF.

The structure is pretty much identical, just with better players in every position sans Hille and Monfries'.

If we'd brought Reimers in for Lonergan I'd put some money down on us, but as it is Lonergan probably will do a job and prove us all wrong.

[KaaN10]

Is it too premature to say that Reimers and Houli are being packaged up with a pretty bow in our Marquee midfield trade?

"Buy Reimers and Houli, get Williams free"

[bombers2011]

"Buy Reimers and Houli, get Williams free"

Harsh, funny and hopefully not true.

[donspremiers]

Spewin. I was going to put money on the dons till I found out Hank was back in. His 2-3 goal turnovers will just be enough to sink us.

We needed either Reimers or Willo to come in.

[table tennis]

If Melksham doesn't come up, I would expect Prismall to play.

Now that I look at it, I am 60/40 that Prismall will come in.

[Donakebab]

Pretty simple:

Bellchambers for Hille - No brainer given the injury.

Dyson for Atkinson - No brainer given Dyson has had two weeks at Bendigo. Don't get confused by the lineup. Dyson will play in Atkinson's main role on HB/Wing. Atkinson is not a small defender and was only there last week at times because the selectors weren't brave enough to bring in an actual defender to the team.

Slattery for Howlett - Slattery plays down back in his normal role, Myers will run more through the middle and off half-back. Probably likely to take the defensive side of this role and let Dempsey take the looser one.

Stanton for Prismall - Like for like, just Stanton is better 9 times out of 10.

Fletcher for Monfries - Hurley is going forward. Fletch will fit back in defence with Slattery. McVeigh/Pears/Hocking/Myers and Dempsey will reshuffle to fill the other defensive roles as needed. Hurley will play FF, which we lacked last week (Jetta and Davey won't have to take as many contested marks in the F50), giving Zaka more room to push into Monfries' role and Lonergan to push into the midfield and Howlett's role. Gumby will play CHF.

The structure is pretty much identical, just with better players in every position sans Hille and Monfries'.

If we'd brought Reimers in for Lonergan I'd put some money down on us, but as it is Lonergan probably will do a job and prove us all wrong.

This.

Williams has done nothing to demand selection, hell Quinn has done more. Reimers in would have been nice, especially based on how he played against Geelong last time, but I'm happy enough with these changes.

[banta]

i don't think that Lonergan is in our best 22, and his form hasn't been that great either.

but i think that the selection committee are keeping him to have another inside mid. the eagles were competitive against the cats last week mainly due to them winning the clearances convincingly. maybe they feel that its worth keeping him in the side to help myers and jobe in particular get on top in this area.

[coup de grace]

i'm happy that williams isn't in the team tbh. effort=reward. and he hasn't put in any effort over the past fortnight. good decision(Y)

[Frothies Mcveigh]

He's got to do something to get selected. Doesn't kick goals - but he's been playing higher up the ground?... but only gets 6 touches.

I wanted him in last week, but after that performance at Bendigo he doesn't deserve to come in.

Thats what I was saying. Its a worry for him if he cant get into the side with Monfries Reimers and Hille injured.

[Boucks09]

Pretty simple:

Bellchambers for Hille - No brainer given the injury.

Dyson for Atkinson - No brainer given Dyson has had two weeks at Bendigo. Don't get confused by the lineup. Dyson will play in Atkinson's main role on HB/Wing. Atkinson is not a small defender and was only there last week at times because the selectors weren't brave enough to bring in an actual defender to the team.

Slattery for Howlett - Slattery plays down back in his normal role, Myers will run more through the middle and off half-back. Probably likely to take the defensive side of this role and let Dempsey take the looser one.

Stanton for Prismall - Like for like, just Stanton is better 9 times out of 10.

Fletcher for Monfries - Hurley is going forward. Fletch will fit back in defence with Slattery. McVeigh/Pears/Hocking/Myers and Dempsey will reshuffle to fill the other defensive roles as needed. Hurley will play FF, which we lacked last week (Jetta and Davey won't have to take as many contested marks in the F50), giving Zaka more room to push into Monfries' role and Lonergan to push into the midfield and Howlett's role. Gumby will play CHF.

The structure is pretty much identical, just with better players in every position sans Hille and Monfries'.

If we'd brought Reimers in for Lonergan I'd put some money down on us, but as it is Lonergan probably will do a job and prove us all wrong.

I think you are pretty much spot on with your summation.

I'd only change the following:

Slattery for Hocking for Prismall

Hocking is freed up to play across HBF and the wing which is the role that Prismall was meant to be playing when in the side. Hocking provides us with great rebound but can also go forward and kick goals from the wing.

Stanton for Howlett

The reversal of last week's late change.

Fletcher for Hurley for Monfries

I actually think Lonergan will play the Monfries role this week. That could be the only reason that he has kept his spot over Reimers who is a more attacking HFF option. With Fletcher and Slattery in the side it also frees up Myers to spend a little more time in the midfield which is what Lonergan was doing last week.

I like all of the changes as it keeps us balanced really well.

For those complaining about a lack of 'speed'...

- Dyson is a quick player he moves the ball quickly with his penetrating left foot; better replacement for Atkinson
- Neither Prismall or Howlett are fast by any stretch of the imagination so they have been replaced with similar types of players in their positions (Hocking and Stanton).
- Monfries isn't fast

[BrunoV]

struggles.The changes are good to the extent that the structure has been maintained.

Not really happy with Lonergan's form at all. I'm not sure you can say that he is wrking harder than Howlett and especially Prismall. Pris was a little stiff as I'd have had Lonergan and Howlett out first (using Myers as a midfielder and or bringing in Muscles).

Glad to see T Bell get a chance. He is no worse a player than West of Blake (and is much younger) and really has a chance to show us what he can do.

Also happy for Dyson because his form didn't warrant being made to wait a few weeks in the twos. Bad luck for Atkinson I guess.

Match ups I'd like to see:

McVeigh vs Chapman: Spike matches up well in terms of his physical capabilities and can go anywhere Chappy takes him.

Hocking vs Ablett: he has the tank to run with Gaz and I want to see him land some big tackles.

Slattery vs Varcoe: shut Varcoe down because he is the most dangerous of the small forwards. He has gone past Stokes and Byrnes. The boy is a freak and capable of pretty much anything. Slattery must apply the clamp.

Myers vs West: if he can play on Jesse White and Playfair he can manage West.

Fletcher vs Podsiadly: Pods is obviously the most dagerous tall. Send Fletcher to him. He can take SJ if Pears starts to struggle.


Edit: forgot to include:

Pears vs Johnson: SJ is too goo overhead to consider playing anyone other than a KP back on him. It would be too much of a Stretch for Myers at this stage (given that he has only played KP back once) and Fletcher is the player best suited to play on Pods. Not sure how anyone can be comfortable with Hank on SJ.

[quotemokc]

Dam straight Prismall out

[bombers2011]

Some possible Match-ups

Slattery V Johnson
Has played on him the last few times and will do so again.
Pears v J-pod
featuring Double-teaming by Fletcher (no homo)
Hocking v Chapman
Given Buddha's current form, this would be great to see.
Welsh v Ablett
Will happen. Won't be pretty for us. Ablett will play forward more than usual in which case Fletch to take him.
Myers/Nat Rat v Bartel
Both have the height to cover him in the air and will be great to have their grunt inside to help out Bon Jobey.
McVeigh v Cokey-Stokes
Obvious match-up for mine
Lonergan v Enright
Sammy's (ala Gus) job to cut their supply.
Dempsey/Dyson v Varcoe
Both have the pace to go with him.

[Boucks09]

Match ups I'd like to see:

McVeigh vs Chapman: Spike matches up well in terms of his physical capabilities and can go anywhere Chappy takes him.



I like this match up a lot. Somebody needs to play a hard tag on Chapman and McVeigh is the type of player who can play a hard tag on him deep but also follow up around as a high forward. Chappy isn't lightning quick either and hurts his opponent with his work rate. McVeigh was training to play midfield this pre-season and bar the set back with his elbow should be in good shape. He can also hurt Chappy the other way.

[HFF_07]

Just a few things to note:

Bartell has been playing a wing/HBF role more in recent weeks that I have seen.

Ablett has been playing more forward this week, but I imagine he will play on ball this week.

Chapman has been playing across HF and through the midfield in recent weeks, I imagine he will switch with Ablett and play more forward with the lack of firepower (No Mooney/Podsiadly unlikely) whilst Ablett will play through the midfield IMO.

I think Mcveigh will go to Chapman/Ablett.

Welsh to Ablett.

Fletcher to S.J.

Pears to Podsiadly

Fletcher to S.J.

[silk]

Pretty simple:

Slattery for Howlett - Slattery plays down back in his normal role, Myers will run more through the middle and off half-back. Probably likely to take the defensive side of this role and let Dempsey take the looser one.



Glad someone pointed this out.

[stugots]

In: Cameron Ling = game, set, match

should be an entertaining contest but we will get spanked with that lineup, all part of the learning curve, for both coach & players:thumbsu:

[yodellinhank]

Is it too premature to say that Reimers and Houli are currently being packaged up with a pretty bow for our Marquee midfielder trade?

PS- Knights LOVES Sam Lonergan (too much)

Go for Dean Solomon from Fremantle, I say...

[Darealrath]

Very suprised Melksham is still in after hurting his ankle again (I know he came back on). I can't help but think the side would like better with Atko, Reimers or Pris in for him.

Apart from that I don't mind the changes, but I reckon Geelong could win easily again. I've said it earlier in the week but there is gulf between our midfield and theirs.

[Ben the Gooner]

Prismall stiff, and I'm not sold on Bellchambers in. Happy though.

[IAmAJedi]

I'm loving these changes.

Williams was pretty much a write-off during the week when knights said that he needed to improve his Match Fitness before he'd be even considered for a game.

Reimers though, we could've done with him.

[bomberZ]

Prismall was hopeless last week, his decision making has been poor. He panics with the ball and kicks either to nobody or to the opposition. It was a good decision by Knights, hopefully he can gain some confidence in the reserves.
Atkinson should be in the team, haven't seen him do anything wrong, runs the ball well and uses it efficiently with little opportunities.

[Pevers-Legend]

So for the past two weeks our net changes are:

in welsh melksham Bellchambers Dyson H.Slattery
out Howlett (omitted) Monfries (hamstring) Hille (hamstring) Prismall (omitted) Atkinson (omitted)

Wouldn't exactly say that we are a faster team or a better team with those changes.

Effectively it is ruck for inferior ruck, two mids for two mids (about even) and two defenders for a mid and defender (makes the team more defensive and much less creative).

[Captainfletch]

I've got a feeling where going to get smashed.
Now that Hilles out can't see an area we'll win in.
go dons.

[NoIdea]

Effectively it is ruck for inferior ruck, two mids for two mids (about even) and two defenders for a mid and defender (makes the team more defensive and much less creative).

Do we have any other ruck options now? Think that Atkinson being dropped for Slattery is a mistake - Slattery is one dimensional, and lacks any of the creativity of Atkinson.

[KaaN10]

Do we look slow or what? Reimers and Atkinson were a must.

[Captainfletch]

Do we look slow or what? Reimers and Atkinson were a must. Dysons quick.

[Cheapies]

I've got a feeling where going to get smashed.
Now that Hilles out can't see an area we'll win in.
go dons.

geelong have a lot more players missing. well beat them in the ruck. if we ever have a chance to beat geelong its now.

[Captainfletch]

geelong have a lot more players missing. well beat them in the ruck. if we ever have a chance to beat geelong its now.
I hope so , I can just see them bossing us around a fair bit.

[DaSawx]

Dysons quick.

Umm, so are Davey, Jetta, Winders, Dempsey....

We win the contested ball and move it well, we look even better.

Not easy obviously against the Cats, but if we have one of our better games in the category we're a big chance, especially if the home crowd is LOUD!!

[Captainfletch]

Umm, so are Davey, Jetta, Winders, Dempsey....

We win the contested ball and move it well, we look even better.

Not easy obviously against the Cats, but if we have one of our better games in the category we're a big chance, especially if the home crowd is LOUD!!

The one thing we don't lack is pase.

[james_omahoney]

I'm happy with these changes, although I hope Willo forces his way into the team soon. Can't wait for Reimers too. Was one of our better players when the rest of the team were struggling earlier in the season.

[OzBomber]

Yeah no Williams is pretty surprising.

Hard to imagine him breaking back into the side if he can't even do it with Monfries and Hille out of the side.
Williams doesn't deserve to come back in.

[carloss]

Spewin. I was going to put money on the dons till I found out Hank was back in. His 2-3 goal turnovers will just be enough to sink us.



I'm thinking the same as well :D I would've kept Atkinson in the side instead of Hank.

[OzBomber]

Don't get why some people are complaining about Prismall. His kicking has been atrocious. It's been on VFL standard of late.

Agree on Atkinson though. Still think he should be in the side.

[Dreambomber]

The Cats are one of the slowest teams in the AFL. They only look quick because of their very slick ball movement.

IMO, we have enough pace.

[edstar10]

get of lonergans back, im sick of people sayin his shit cos his slow, he gets the hardball and keeps it in our forward line, he can set up play, brake tackles and kick goals, would like reimers in but im not to fussed with the changes.

[yaco55]

Two things

- Selection indicates that Essendon has found their best 22 - less the injured Hille, Monfries and Hooker.
- Ling usually tags Watson so i expect a big game from Stanton.

[anf06]

prismall was hopeless in the second term, his decision making has been poor. He panics with the ball and kicks either to nobody or to the opposition. It was a good decision by knights, hopefully he can gain some confidence in the reserves.
Atkinson should be in the team, haven't seen him do anything wrong, runs the ball well and uses it efficiently with little opportunities.

efa.

[Seb78]

Whats with all the Lonergan haters?? He hasn't been that bad has he? I actually admire the bloke puts his head over the ball, does the 1 percenters, tackles hard, contributes on the scoreboard regularly, and try his guts out.

Maybe he should sport an pair of orange boots, become an arrogant show off and put in inconsistent performances :rolleyes:

[lamaros]

Whats with all the Lonergan haters?? He hasn't been that bad has he? I actually admire the bloke puts his head over the ball, does the 1 percenters, tackles hard, contributes on the scoreboard regularly, and try his guts out.

Maybe he should sport an pair of orange boots, become an arrogant show off and put in inconsistent performances :rolleyes:

12 touches in each of the last two games. Is slow and not a particulary
great kick or mark. All he does is get the contested ball. Howlett has more potential and about the same result at the moment in the
middle, and Reiner is a better longer kick, much better contested mark, and a bit more of a surprise packet up forward.

[LuDiCrOuS]

Interesting selections... In my mind a big part of the reason for our form recovery was an increase in both speed and footskills, with Welsh last week and Slattery this week we are moving away from that formula! I'm also concerned about Melksham, are we pushing too hard to play through injury?

Oh and on Reimers I recently watched His last 2 games for us (Carlton and Collingwood) and he was great in the Carlton game giving big worrys and 1 of maybe 3 players who at least made an effort against Collingwood! Big stage player if I've ever seen one and this weeks being played on just that :(

[LuDiCrOuS]

Two things

- Selection indicates that Essendon has found their best 22 - less the injured Hille, Monfries and Hooker.
- Ling usually tags Watson so i expect a big game from Stanton.

Can there be a best 22 in a team as young as ours?

[Seb78]

]12 touches[/B] in each of the last two games. Is slow and not a particulary
great kick or mark. All he does is get the contested ball. Howlett has more potential and about the same result at the moment in the
middle, and Reiner is a better longer kick, much better contested mark, and a bit more of a surprise packet up forward.

Lama c'mon mate if your going to go by stats and not look at the effort this guy puts in with the shepherds, his in and under clearance work, and tackles then we've not really payed attention to why we have improved over the last month, cause IMO its because we've increased our intensity, tackle count, and our clearance work at stoppages and around the ground has been great. Sam Lonergan has been solid without being fantastic in this area and should still be in the side.

I've highlighted some points above and on that basis of thinking should H Slattery be getting a game?? Rarely gets over 10 touches, cant kick or handball for mine, and is far from quick. Whilst Slatts does an ok job as a stopper, I think McVeigh does it just as well, however can use the ball more effectively coming out of defence.

[lamaros]

Lama c'mon mate if your going to go by stats and not look at the effort this guy puts in with the shepherds, his in and under clearance work, and tackles then we've not really payed attention to why we have improved over the last month, cause IMO its because we've increased our intensity, tackle count, and our clearance work at stoppages and around the ground has been great. Sam Lonergan has been solid without being fantastic in this area and should still be in the side.

I've highlighted some points above and on that basis of thinking should H Slattery be getting a game?? Rarely gets over 10 touches, cant kick or handball for mine, and is far from quick. Whilst Slatts does an ok job as a stopper, I think McVeigh does it just as well, however can use the ball more effectively coming out of defence.

Eh? I'm comparing him to howlett and reimers, not just mentioning stats. And slattery plays a different role again so I fail to see what he has to do with
it.

[Seb78]

Eh? I'm comparing him to howlett and reimers, not just mentioning stats. And slattery plays a different role again so I fail to see what he has to do with
it.

Yes but your original point on why he should be dropped was because he had only 12 touches in 2 games, couldn't mark, kick etc, and I was simply stating that based on that Slatts shouldn't be getting a game either, Lonergan has his role to play much like slattery has his, and I just dont think he has been that bad at all from what I've seen. Dont get me wrong I actually really like the look of Howlett think he will be a top line player for us in the future, Reimers on that other hand I'm not overly hyped about, hasn't shown me much apart from being a bit of a show off, and kicking a few goals, but I suppose thats where we disagree.

[lamaros]

Yes but your original point on why he should be dropped was because he had only 12 touches in 2 games, couldn't mark, kick etc, and I was simply stating that based on that Slatts shouldn't be getting a game either, Lonergan has his role to play much like slattery has his, and I just dont think he has been that bad at all from what I've seen. Dont get me wrong I actually really like the look of Howlett think he will be a top line player for us in the future, Reimers on that other hand I'm not overly hyped about, hasn't shown me much apart from being a bit of a show off, and kicking a few goals, but I suppose thats where we disagree.

Not entirely, I'm very far from being a fan of reimers, he has a long way to go to win me over. Lonergan however has peaked for me, and not at a high enough level.

[Seb78]

Not entirely, I'm very far from being a fan of reimers, he has a long way to go to win me over. Lonergan however has peaked for me, and not at a high enough level.

Yeh I see your point on Lonergan, probably waiting for that little bit more perhaps that X factor that you know is not coming, but still a harder worker you'll never find IMO anyway. I'm wrapped to see T-Bell was given a chance though, we might catch a glimpse of what life might be like post Hille.

[Eleven 38]

I've got a feeling where going to get smashed.
Now that Hilles out can't see an area we'll win in.
go dons.


Ryder & Belly > Blake & West

i wouldnt write off Prismall yet, surely they'd be thinking about resting melksham.

[SDR223]

Remiars was dropped after the Geelong game at the start of the season.

Obviously something the coaching staff weren't happy about.

Great to see Bellchambers in the side, although he got killed by Naitanui in the practice match this year, I thought his intensity and attack on the ball had gone up significantly since last year.

Slattery has come in to combat Geelongs dangerous small forwards which is probably a good move. I'm not sure the Slattery/McVeigh backline combo should be used for every game though.

[BrunoV]

Whats with all the Lonergan haters?? He hasn't been that bad has he? I actually admire the bloke puts his head over the ball, does the 1 percenters, tackles hard, contributes on the scoreboard regularly, and try his guts out.

Maybe he should sport an pair of orange boots, become an arrogant show off and put in inconsistent performances :rolleyes:


Who is hating? This is why things get polarised and so irreversably. The fans of, in this case Lonergan, assume that the only reason people don't want him in the side is because they have got it in for the player.

I am pretty sure that it is not illogical hating to question a players spot in the side as a mid/half-forward when he gets 12 possessions, isn't winning as much contested ball as it is claimed that he is, doesn't lay many tackles and isn't kicking many goals.

I'm not going to say that Reimers should come in because it would be good to see "Reimers" appear in the best for a few weeks at Bendigo before he gets selected.

We should promote Marigliani because he is a very similar player to Lonergan. He can play inside mid / half forward and actually dominates games at Bendigo which is something Lonergan hasn't done.

[Slattery_20]

Remiars was dropped after the Geelong game at the start of the season.

Obviously something the coaching staff weren't happy about.

Great to see Bellchambers in the side, although he got killed by Naitanui in the practice match this year, I thought his intensity and attack on the ball had gone up significantly since last year.

Slattery has come in to combat Geelongs dangerous small forwards which is probably a good move. I'm not sure the Slattery/McVeigh backline combo should be used for every game though.
Yep. I can see the value in 2 small backs against some sides. Hurley forward this week, IMHO best case is switching that set-up with hurley or hooker back and Slatts out.
{Problem is Knights (nor any modern coach) will not pick and choose backlines for match-ups}

[Pure_Ownage]

The Cats are one of the slowest teams in the AFL. They only look quick because of their very slick ball movement.

IMO, we have enough pace.

I would agree with the latter part of the statement.

As to the former, not sure if we're slower than most other teams (haven't thought about it in depth). What I do know is that we're no slower than when we played you in round 1. In fact, through necessity out of our injuries, we have wojo and wojo mark II (hunt), along with the three amigos, instead of extra tall forwards, thus we're actually fielding this week the "quickest" side we have fielded in some time. Maybe not as quick as yours, but certainly the speed I am happy with for this game.