Team v Hawthorn

[twentington]

Out: Dempsey, Dyson, Myers
In: Atkinson, Prismall, Hooker

Backs: Fletch Hooker Slattery
HB: Hocking Pears McVeigh
C: Atkinson Watson Stanton
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F: Zaka Hurley Lonergan

Followers: Ryder Winderlich Melksham
Bench: Welsh, Belly, NLM, Prismall

Emg: Houli Dempsey Myers

[ceebs]

Surprised about Myers and Dempsey out but otherwise some pretty good ins. I really can't believe how Lonergan continues to keep a spot in the team. :confused:

[oddsok]

I can understand that Welsh won't be dropped, but how are Slattery and Lonergan getting games?! They offer nothing. This is re****ingdiculous.

[The Donners]

We fail at team selection. Myers out and Lonergan stays.

Glad Pris and Hooker come back in.

[TeamHurley]

I don't quite no what to make of this.

[mark1881]

Yep, can't for the life of me understand what lonergan and slattery offer that other players can't. Lonergan more so, he offers little to nothing week in week out.

[Duckworth]

They got the in's right though I guess....

[Frothies Mcveigh]

Cant believe Lonergan is still in. Surely Reimers is still unavailable.

[lamaros]

WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU?

LONERGAN AGAIN?

MYERS OUT?

WHAT. THE. HELL.

We're going to lose this game...

Seriously? You finally get the chance to free up Dempsey with Hooker back, and you drop him... for Atkinson?!

Myers does the team thing and plays down back for two weeks and you punish him by dropping him?

Lonergan is useless again and you keep him in the side?

STOP ****ING AROUND WITH THE TEAM LIKE A STUPID BIGFOOTY POSTER AND PICK PLAYERS ON MATCHUPS, STRUCTURES AND MERIT.

I am giving up on this season.

[Ben the Gooner]

**** me dead, 3 defenders for 3 defenders when we need another midfielder. :thumbsd:

[The Donners]

**** me dead, 3 defenders for 3 defenders when we need another midfielder. :thumbsd:

Praying for a Myers late change...

[eth-dog]

poor changes yes, but we won't lose because of it, remember bno1 saying that 'bout Dyson on ANZAC Day last year? played a brilliant game

[HighettBomber]

The ins are OK. Hooker was an automatic, Atkinson should never have been dropped and as disappointed as I am in Prismall he at least knows where to run to get the ball. Dyson and Dempsey were poor last week but Myers has been pretty good. Slattery, Lonergan and Welsh obviously don't have to perform to keep their places.

[lloyd136]

They finally grew the balls to drop Dempsey.

[Duckworth]

**** me dead, 3 defenders for 3 defenders when we need another midfielder. :thumbsd:

Prismal?

[banta]

disappointing at the selection table. not the best team we can put out on the field. Lonergan has not shown that he is a decent AFL player.
not sure what myers has done wrong to get dropped.
Welsh and McVeigh are way over the hill and also offer very little. they deserve to be dropped more that Myers.

[bombersno1]

Hawks by a lot with that team. Prismall in is an absolute joke.

[Nasty Penguin]

**** me dead, 3 defenders for 3 defenders when we need another midfielder. :thumbsd:

Since when was prismall a defender? :confused:

Having Hooker, Pears and Fletch in the back line is a massive plus. Hoping Belly can improve on his first game last week. Would rather see Reimers or Dempsey start in the pocket than lonergan.

Hocking to cut loose on Friday night. GO DONS!!!!!

[Skeeta Olly]

Prismal?

Atkinson isn't exclusively a defender either.

[resurrector]

well thanks selection committee for completely ****ing up my dream team! had both dempsey and myers you *****!!

but in a team sense what a load of shit that lonergan and slattery still get games. list clogging plodders they are....team balance is now up the creek. i expect us to lose.

[Kong]

Lonergan, serious?

Oh, geez.

[TheDon35]

And so continues our journey to nowhere...

Good stuff Knighta... You're a legend.

[Eleven 38]

lonergan MIGHT be okay in the the wet :confused:, however if your going to drop dempsey atleast attempt to find a solution for him, atkinson is no solution for dempsey. there is 2 guys you may aswell give a go in t.slatts and hardingham in the hope of finding a player.

[oddsok]

Hawthorn
B: Brent Guerra, Stephen Gilham, Thomas Murphy
HB: Grant Birchall, Ben Stratton, Rick Ladson
C: Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Chance Bateman
HF: Michael Osborne, Lance Franklin, Shaun Burgoyne
F: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Schoenmakers
Foll: Brent Renouf, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C: Xavier Ellis, Beau Muston, Wayde Skipper, Clinton Young
Emg: Carl Peterson, Liam Shiels, Brendan Whitecross

In: Bateman, Young
Out: Brendan Whitecross, Carl Peterson

No surprises there...

[JD11]

Myers and Dempsey being out with Lonergan makes me want to murder. Myers and Demps both have more upside in they're small finger than Lonergan has in his whole body

[Ess_don]

Dont worry guys.. Lonergan will be dropped once Gus comes back.. hopefully. Changes arent that bad I guess, still have faith on us to win!

Wonder if were favourites..?

[BomberTime]

Out: Dempsey, Dyson, Myers
In: Atkinson, Prismall, Hooker

Backs: Fletch Hooker Slattery
HB: Hocking Pears McVeigh
C: Atkinson Watson Stanton
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F: Zaka Hurley Lonergan

Followers: Ryder Winderlich Melksham
Bench: Welsh, Belly, NLM, Prismall

Emg: Houli Dempsey Myers

So he drops myers when we finally get hooker back so myers no longer has to play on tall forwards or even in defence at all and in a game when we need big bodys around the clearances..wow thats dumb in my opinion but thats just me, what did myers do wrong?, and dempsey who didnt have a great game last week but we need his speed in the back half and to make hawthorns forwards accountable. That backline looks so slow even when atkinson goes down there.
Last thing, lonergan..great guy works hard..but doesnt offer much, come on get him out of that side and slattery....
Lovett-Murray needs a huge game if we are to win..:thumbsu:

[rhysman]

This must be a mistake!!!. How do we drop 3 blokes yet Lonergan is not one of them? FFS! Myers being dropped is just a farce. We are all over the place on selection.

[bombersno1]

Myers being out defies logic, the only reason I can see is injury related. Just does not make sense to move of of our most important players over the past month. The more dumb decisions Knights makes, the more I want to miss the finals just so he gets punted!

[tastypears]

Not a very quick back 6...

If we're going to beat Hawthorn surely we'd be doing it with run and counter attacks. Knights even said we'd keep on running but instead he takes out two of our quickest defenders...

Just because Slattery beat Cyril last time, I think a fully fit and in form Cyril is going to embarass Henry...

Well we can hope!! At least our forward line is becoming settled.

[stay true]

Apart from dropping Myers I don't think the changes are that bad. The changes don't screw up our structure really, because I'm pretty sure when you drop someone (Dempsey) the bloke who you replace him with (Atkinson) doesn't have to play the exact same role.;)

McVeigh or Hocking will play the Dempsey loose zoning half back role and Atkinson mainly on a wing. I know teams don't line up 100% as named but I'd be surprised if this wasn't the tactic on match day. Although I am a bit confused as to why Lonergan still hasn't been dropped.

[vast]

Not dissapointed with prismall and atkinson coming in, thought Myers has been getting better everyweek, so he is unlucky.

As for lonergan I cant see who would come in for him up forward given that williams and reimers are injured, I doubt he would hold his spot once these guys are fit.

Winderlich has to consider himself very lucky as I feel he has done nothing all season with the exception of the last hawthorn game, but he wont get dropped as we have no one with his pace through the middle, unfortunately he hasnt been using it to run and carry or even lay a tackle once in a while.

Somehow prismall seems to the only one criticised for his defensive efforts, but I think our entire midfield has been lacking in this area this season. I guess partly due to the fact lovett is no longer there.

[blitzer]

I don't mind the changes overly much to be honest.

Dempsey out Atkinson in - It's very much a like for like. Dempsey would still be very much a part of the teams plan for the rest of the year, but i hope he plays at Bendigo and instructed to pick up the best small/medium forward and to play tight, accountable footy on him first and rebound second. Atkinson in, i'm happy with i didn't think he should have been dropped in the first place. My best team would have both of them in for the record.

Dyson out Prismall In - Dyson looked underdone last week and played terribly and had no impact whatsoever. Prismall was a bit stiff when he got dropped to begin with and at least we know if nothing else he will find the ball which after last week would be a blessing with only 1 player over 20 possessions was it? It's only his ball use that has been letting him down but i think we honestly aren't seeing the best he's got to offer, i think he's just low on confidence and if he keeps working it will turn around for him. Still a positive change overall.

Myers out Hooker in - From a purely 3rd tall defender standpoint this is a fair enough change as Hooker offers a lot more down back than Myers does and someone needs to play/be sacrificed to Franklin. Myers really stiff though, his games in the middle were really promising a few weeks back and he hasn't had many goals kicked on him the last few weeks either (hasn't got much of the ball though). Really pleased to have Hooker back i gotta say. It's felt like we've been too short in the backline for about 6+ weeks ever since Pears got injured, then Hooker, then Fletch missed a game as well. The other side benefit is we might actually get Hocking playing back in the middle and not stuck covering their 3rd tall forward which he has manfully been doing a few of the weeks.

Sidenote: As many others have said Lonnergan extremely fortunate. I don't dislike Lonnergan at all and i really hope he makes it but i just can't see how you can say he's part of the best 22 we can field right now based on his performances. As a forward he doesn't average enough possesions, goals, goal assists, marks or well anything to be honest. Reimers will take his spot when he's fit again. If it was up to me, i'd let Myers play Lonnergan's role this week though. Myers could rotate through the middle and be that big bodied midfielder that rotates in (probably better than Lonnergan too) and up forward his height would make him a handy target against a Hawks defence that well quite frankly is not all that good.

[banta]

Hawthorn
B: Brent Guerra, Stephen Gilham, Thomas Murphy
HB: Grant Birchall, Ben Stratton, Rick Ladson
C: Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Chance Bateman
HF: Michael Osborne, Lance Franklin, Shaun Burgoyne
F: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Ryan Schoenmakers
Foll: Brent Renouf, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C: Xavier Ellis, Beau Muston, Wayde Skipper, Clinton Young
Emg: Carl Peterson, Liam Shiels, Brendan Whitecross

In: Bateman, Young
Out: Brendan Whitecross, Carl Peterson

No surprises there...

strongest side hawthorn has put out on the park this year i would say. its gonna be a tough game, nothing like our last meeting with them.

[HFF_07]

Pretty happy with that team, Thumbs up to the selection committee. :thumbsu:

Deffensive back 6, Variety in the midfielders, potent forward 6, plenty of rotations this week for the midfield too.

OK, so Lonergan still in the team is not great, but at least he will do the team things and actually take note of his man too. He is hard at it, tackles well and is another strong body that can move through the midfield.

Hope he plays a decent game and everyone on here starts ringing his praises, circa Brent Prismall.

Any ways, that is my to cents worth :D

[BomberTime]

I don't mind the changes overly much to be honest.

Sidenote: As many others have said Lonnergan extremely fortunate. I don't dislike Lonnergan at all and i really hope he makes it but i just can't see how you can say he's part of the best 22 we can field right now based on his performances. As a forward he doesn't average enough possesions, goals, goal assists, marks or well anything to be honest. Reimers will take his spot when he's fit again. If it was up to me, i'd let Myers play Lonnergan's role this week though. Myers could rotate through the middle and be that big bodied midfielder that rotates in (probably better than Lonnergan too) and up forward his height would make him a handy target against a Hawks defence that well quite frankly is not all that good.

This:thumbsu:, Excellent post.
If there is a late change, myers will come in, they have definitely dropped dempsey for not being accountable and dont think houli will come in.

[rickydysonforbl]

luxbet have gone crazy and are still offering 2.75 on hawks go to whoa. in light of the teams being announced, i say get on it massive.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Dempsey showed a bit up forward against Collingwood on ANZAC day. Lonergan should have been dropped to allow Dempsey to go forward and float into the middle.

Myers out, I'm hoping, is just to allow him a couple of weeks rest with a view to having him in the side for the rest of the year. Remember he is still young.

Slattery, Lonergan and Welsh must have some very compromising pictures of one or more of the selection committee or I really cannot fathom why they get so much latitude for poor performance.

[carmi99]

Pretty happy with that team, Thumbs up to the selection committee. :thumbsu:

Deffensive back 6, Variety in the midfielders, potent forward 6, plenty of rotations this week for the midfield too.

OK, so Lonergan still in the team is not great, but at least he will do the team things and actually take note of his man too. He is hard at it, tackles well and is another strong body that can move through the midfield.

Hope he plays a decent game and everyone on here starts ringing his praises, circa Brent Prismall.

Any ways, that is my to cents worth :D

Yeah good post. I'm very surprised at all the anger regarding selection.

All in all they look alright. Myers should have kept his place over Prismall but Dempsey had to be dropped. He has beenwoeful for a very long time now. Atkinson plays an attacking type role also but he is far better defensively when compared to Dempsey.

The otherchange i would have made was Slatter out for Riemers(unless he is injured). I don't mind Slattery but i personally don't think there is space in defence for both Slattsand Spike and i consider Spike the better option. This would give us another attacking option and a bit of extra pace and dare.

[SHAKESPEARE]

All you have to do is break even in the clearances, put it on Hurley's head and watch him kick 8 on Gilham. Cannot compete body to body and will again be made to look sub par.

[Longy413]

I actually don't mind it.
Probably would have kept Dempsey instead of Melksham.

Probably would have played Myers instead of Welsh. If Welsh isn't playing as a tagger then Myers offers more.


Interesting Hawthorn dropped Peterson, would have been one of the first I picked against us, his type kills us.

[mick7]

No Myers?
No Dempsey?

When does 2011 start again? Bloody Hell.

[HFF_07]

I don't mind the changes overly much to be honest.

Dempsey out Atkinson in - It's very much a like for like. Dempsey would still be very much a part of the teams plan for the rest of the year, but i hope he plays at Bendigo and instructed to pick up the best small/medium forward and to play tight, accountable footy on him first and rebound second. Atkinson in, i'm happy with i didn't think he should have been dropped in the first place. My best team would have both of them in for the record.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, Atkinson named on a wing? BtG will tell you he (Atkinson) has been playing on a wing when he has been in. Don't see why we drop Dempsey then bring someone then play them in position that Dempsey 'should' be playing.

As for Dempsey at Bendigo, he is a 'best 22' player and will dominate at Bendigo this week. Watch him, Shannon Grant will play him out of position on the ball or on a wing and he will pick up a mountain of the ball because he is closer to the action at a lower level.

As sad as it is though, it is true IMO.

Dyson out Prismall In - Dyson looked underdone last week and played terribly and had no impact whatsoever. Prismall was a bit stiff when he got dropped to begin with and at least we know if nothing else he will find the ball which after last week would be a blessing with only 1 player over 20 possessions was it? It's only his ball use that has been letting him down but i think we honestly aren't seeing the best he's got to offer, i think he's just low on confidence and if he keeps working it will turn around for him. Still a positive change overall.

I thought he (Dyson) looked underdone also and was pretty cumbersome last week. I still think he could be apart of our best 2, but in a player #15 - 25, so still has to fight his way back into the starting 22, which he did after only a week? he should have had 2 or 3 weeks of consistent football at the lower level, especially for a runner to then be brought back to the highest level.

As for Prismall, I think he is undersold enourmously. He is playing a role that him and Winderlich should both be doing; gut running, ball acumulating line breaking midfielders, but neither are really doing there job are they?

I agree with the last piece of this post about being low on confidence. When he first started out at Essendon, he was playing really good football, consistently in our best players and was doing all the right things. Now he is "low on confidence" as you, he has lost all of those traits that made him stand out when he first came to Essendon.

Myers out Hooker in - From a purely 3rd tall defender standpoint this is a fair enough change as Hooker offers a lot more down back than Myers does and someone needs to play/be sacrificed to Franklin. Myers really stiff though, his games in the middle were really promising a few weeks back and he hasn't had many goals kicked on him the last few weeks either (hasn't got much of the ball though). Really pleased to have Hooker back i gotta say. It's felt like we've been too short in the backline for about 6+ weeks ever since Pears got injured, then Hooker, then Fletch missed a game as well. The other side benefit is we might actually get Hocking playing back in the middle and not stuck covering their 3rd tall forward which he has manfully been doing a few of the weeks.

I agree wholeheartedly here. At one stage we had Myers and Hocking as 2 of our 3 'tall' defenders. Both hardly KP types by any stretch of the imagination. I though this would be the case as Myers seemed to struggle a little bit playing on the taller types, so once Hooker was fit, he was always going to be made the scapegoat. As hard as it is, it is a fair trade and one I would take every day of the week (even after my dislike for Myers).

I think we still have not seen the best of 'the Mooroolbark kid'. He is still every week and has shown how far he has really come. I like him being tried in a number of positions, as I still don't think he has one set position like a Fletcher or Davey.

Sidenote: As many others have said Lonnergan extremely fortunate. I don't dislike Lonnergan at all and i really hope he makes it but i just can't see how you can say he's part of the best 22 we can field right now based on his performances. As a forward he doesn't average enough possesions, goals, goal assists, marks or well anything to be honest. Reimers will take his spot when he's fit again. If it was up to me, i'd let Myers play Lonnergan's role this week though. Myers could rotate through the middle and be that big bodied midfielder that rotates in (probably better than Lonnergan too) and up forward his height would make him a handy target against a Hawks defence that well quite frankly is not all that good.

I wouldn't be so sure on Myers playing forward. He is not a real good set shot on goal, and he still looks cumbersome when not in possession of the ball. Therefore Lonergan (as bad as it is) get's the nod over Myers.

Overall though Blitzer, a well thought out and well rationaled post. Thank you for looking at what the team needed (Hooker for Myers, Prismal for Dyson) and not at what people wanted to see (Dempsey on a wing, Slattery out).

Well posted :thumbsu:

[james_omahoney]

Out: Dempsey, Dyson, Myers
In: Atkinson, Prismall, Hooker

Backs: Fletch Hooker Slattery
HB: Hocking Pears McVeigh
C: Atkinson Watson Stanton
HF: Davey Gumbleton Jetta
F: Zaka Hurley Lonergan

Followers: Ryder Winderlich Melksham
Bench: Welsh, Belly, NLM, Prismall

Emg: Houli Dempsey Myers

Myers out? Oh FFS. I hope they tell us why.

Welsh and Lonergan still in? Ridiculous.

Happy that Hooker's back and that Dempsey gets dropped for a bit.

[HFF_07]

Yeah good post. I'm very surprised at all the anger regarding selection.

All in all they look alright. Myers should have kept his place over Prismall but Dempsey had to be dropped. He has beenwoeful for a very long time now. Atkinson plays an attacking type role also but he is far better defensively when compared to Dempsey.

The otherchange i would have made was Slatter out for Riemers(unless he is injured). I don't mind Slattery but i personally don't think there is space in defence for both Slattsand Spike and i consider Spike the better option. This would give us another attacking option and a bit of extra pace and dare.

Myers V Prismall? I dont think it is a contest at all. They both play different roles. One is a runner who uses his nous and knowledge of reading the play to win his own ball, whilst the other is supposedly this is in and under type with a booming kick. All in all, you know you are going to get 15 - 20 touches out of Prismal, what are we going to get out of Myers the next time he is in the seniors?

Slattery does all the team things, that is why he is in the team, a player who does it week in week out. I am not sure there is room for both Slatts and Mcveigh, but for unknown purposes, there is.

As for Riemers, he is injured. You would not replace a small defender with an attacking midfielder/forward now... unless you were going to play him in defence? :rolleyes:

[dirtywhitepacker]

I'm just so angry about those changes, so I'll keep it brief.

-Hawks backline looks piss-poor.

-I agree with Dyson out, and to SOME extent Dempsey. Dropping Myers is ridiculous.

-I've been a moderate fan of Sam Lonergan over the years, but this year he has dropped RIGHT off. He doesn't offer much at all. Shocking kick for goal, no penetration in his kick, VERY average mark, small tank. I would much rather see Winderlich go into the forward line and play another midfielder like Howlett or MYERS!

[carmi99]

No Myers?
No Dempsey?

When does 2011 start again? Bloody Hell.

Dempsey should have been deumped ages ago. He has been terrible all season.

[Macca18]

Pretty good selections really. Dempsey has been on thin ice for a few weeks now, Myers has looked a little stale in the last couple of games, and Ricky was poor last week and may still be under an injury cloud... who knows really?

We missed some dash from Atkinson last week, we've missed Hooker for the last few weeks (and he played pretty well last time around against the Hawks) and Prismall adds a bit of polish.

Despite the usual banter between the two sets of supporters this week, I am reasonably confident heading into this one... which unfortunately never usually is a good sign.

[TheGodDelusion]

Funnily enough, it'll come down to who wins the midfield. If we can do that, I can't see their backline holding up. If we can't, I can't see ours doing it either.

Prismal in I think is good given we lack (IMO) strong bodies in the midfield and certainly got shown up in that regard.

Hooker was a given, and I think Atkinson is ok given the space available for him to run in, which incidently, is the only reason I think Winders survived. If he doesn't pull the finger out tomorrow night I think he'll be spelled.

[Lance Uppercut]

wow, Lonergan is the new whipping boy isn't he?

I actually don't mind it.
Probably would have kept Dempsey instead of Melksham.

Probably would have played Myers instead of Welsh. If Welsh isn't playing as a tagger then Myers offers more.


Interesting Hawthorn dropped Peterson, would have been one of the first I picked against us, his type kills us.

I agree with this. As a Myers aficionado I'm disappointed he's out, but I'm going to deal with it by assuming the MC have a better idea than I do about running a team

[Skeeta Olly]

I agree with this. As a Myers aficionado I'm disappointed he's out, but I'm going to deal with it by assuming the MC have a better idea than I do about running a team

Correct.

I'll assume they'd do a better job that me, so I can't complain. They obviously know what they want to do.

[footycool]

Happy Atko is back in.

As for dropping Myers, im not so sure about dropping him

[d-mac3276]

Well we can say goodbye to Myers and another waste of a high draft pick coz if i were him i'd **** off back to Perth too which i have no doubt he will do now.

This poor guy gets put in the backline over the last couple of years and it shows he wasn't good enough there. Then he's in and out of the team.

Then we have Knights say he was drafted as a midfielder which this year he decides to put him there and hello for a couple of games he does well.

Then for the life of me in the last 2 games he throws him down back again where he didn't do much and now he gets dumped again. Why is it he can have 2 bad ones and get dropped yet we have guys in there that get way more chances than he does.

For **** sake give the kid a spell, play him in the guts for 6 weeks and then if he doesn't show anything then piss him off.

Really starting to shit me some of the moves/changes he makes.

Sammy Lonergan must suck a good c***

And what the hell does Tyson Slattery have to do to get a gig, maybe he should ask Lonergan about his technique

[Darealrath]

Don't mind it too much, but I'm worried about Slattery, McVeigh and Hocking in defence at the same time. That is seriously slow.

[HFF_07]

Well we can say goodbye to Myers and another waste of a high draft pick coz if i were him i'd **** off back to Perth too which i have no doubt he will do now.

This poor guy gets put in the backline over the last couple of years and it shows he wasn't good enough there. Then he's in and out of the team.

Then we have Knights say he was drafted as a midfielder which this year he decides to put him there and hello for a couple of games he does well.

Then for the life of me in the last 2 games he throws him down back again where he didn't do much and now he gets dumped again. Why is it he can have 2 bad ones and get dropped yet we have guys in there that get way more chances than he does.

For **** sake give the kid a spell, play him in the guts for 6 weeks and then if he doesn't show anything then piss him off.

Really starting to shit me some of the moves/changes he makes.

Sammy Lonergan must suck a good c***

Would it be any great loss?

Serves the Essendon FC the right for picking him ahead of who was it again? :rolleyes:

[marcuz]

Dempsey should have been deumped ages ago. He has been terrible all season.

He's played well in many games, in fact the last game against hawthorn he was sensational.

[Lance Uppercut]

Well we can say goodbye to Myers and another waste of a high draft pick coz if i were him i'd **** off back to Perth too which i have no doubt he will do now.

This poor guy gets put in the backline over the last couple of years and it shows he wasn't good enough there. Then he's in and out of the team.

Then we have Knights say he was drafted as a midfielder which this year he decides to put him there and hello for a couple of games he does well.

Then for the life of me in the last 2 games he throws him down back again where he didn't do much and now he gets dumped again. Why is it he can have 2 bad ones and get dropped yet we have guys in there that get way more chances than he does.

For **** sake give the kid a spell, play him in the guts for 6 weeks and then if he doesn't show anything then piss him off.

Really starting to shit me some of the moves/changes he makes.



you seriously under-estimate Myers' character then, if you think that.

Would it be any great loss?

Serves the Essendon FC the right for picking him ahead of who was it again? :rolleyes:

dude, get the **** over it :rolleyes: Incessant whining about draft picks 2.5 years ago, & white-anting young players. Real classy :rolleyes: Particularly churlish when he's finally over his injury & showing something.

You are boring me with this crap

[HFF_07]

dude, get the **** over it :rolleyes: Incessant whining about draft picks 2.5 years ago, & white-anting young players. Real classy :rolleyes: Particularly churlish when he's finally over his injury & showing something.

You are boring me with this crap

Open up your clouded eyes please LU?

I usually respect what you say, but why cant you, along with many on here admit it that he has been average the past two weeks? the fact that Hooker has come back in and arguably taken his position as well..

God people shit me... :rolleyes:

[d-mac3276]

Would it be any great loss?

Serves the Essendon FC the right for picking him ahead of who was it again? :rolleyes:
Yeah it might not be a big loss as a player but it'll be another big stuff up in regards to our drafting over the years. Two pick 6's ( Bradley and Myers) in 5 or so years and both out the door already is all i'm saying

[d-mac3276]

[quote=Lance Uppercut;18113211]you seriously under-estimate Myers' character then, if you think that.

We'll just have to wait and see won't we

[Boucks09]

On face value these changes look surprising but if you search a little deeper then they actually make a lot of sense.

The view of the those that matter after the match is that we did not take the game on. We were too conservative, went behind the mark and we generally stagnant. So we look at the changes.

Atkinson is a straight swap for Dyson. Ricky is obviously not ready to take the game on so we bring in somebody who is.

Dempsey is dropped because he has been given the same message too many times this season and not listened. I was losing my **** watching him last week. Forget Varcoe's 5 goals, he was directly responsible for a few more. If you are going to concede that many goals you would want to be getting the ball 45 times and kicking 4 goals. Simply not acceptable.

Hooker takes the game on as the CHB, with Fletcher to take Dempsey's role as a DEFENDER, who knows WHEN to zone and also provides rebound off HBF. I'm happy with that.

I'm disappointed that Myers is dropped, but it's not doom and gloom. Prismall needed to come in given the glaring issues of last week. People are forgetting that Myers missed a month at the start of the season and has virtually played every game since. I'd be surprised if he plays at Bendigo this week. Give him 2 full weeks off to hit the second half of the season full of running. No issues there.

I don't rate Lonergan at all but with Reimers not ready to play then the MC obviously don't see a replacement for him. He will get dropped next week for Gus.

If anything I would prefer to see Melksham out for Myers, but again he takes the game on which is what we lacked last week.

We'll beat these pricks don't worry.

[Lance Uppercut]

Open up your clouded eyes please LU?

I usually respect what you say, but why cant you, along with many on here admit it that he has been average the past two weeks? the fact that Hooker has come back in and arguably taken his position as well..

God people shit me... :rolleyes:

generally I respect what you say too, but your very post exposes your negative bias. You're bringing up draft decisions made over 2 years ago, and moaning about how we could have had, again, based on 2 games (where he wasn't that bad, really).

Firstly, every club takes a gamble on draft players.

Secondly, it's indisputable that Myers has been injured and unable to find form. Yet you are saying he'd be "no loss", and white-anting him. People shit me too, particularly one's who write off injured young players & make career calls on a 2 game spell.

Give the kid a ****ing break man, seriously

[d-mac3276]

Open up your clouded eyes please LU?

I usually respect what you say, but why cant you, along with many on here admit it that he has been average the past two weeks? the fact that Hooker has come back in and arguably taken his position as well..

God people shit me... :rolleyes:
If u read what i wrote above i was the 1st to say he's been ordinary over the last 2 weeks but thats coz he's been played out of position.

He plays his best in the middle

[HULK HOGAN]

Would myers benifit from a pre season targeting endurance and speed??

Also could someone please explain the situation with the rookies to me.
If who when and how they will be getting on the list?

[marcuz]

Would myers benifit from a pre season targeting endurance and speed??

?

I don't think speed is his issue, he's extremely "tight in the hips" as the yanks like to say. He struggles to move at speed laterally and change direction. Big summer of pilates and yoga to improve flexability i would suggest.

[HULK HOGAN]

generally I respect what you say too, but your very post exposes your negative bias. You're bringing up draft decisions made over 2 years ago, and moaning about how we could have had, again, based on 2 games (where he wasn't that bad, really).

Firstly, every club takes a gamble on draft players.

Secondly, it's indisputable that Myers has been injured and unable to find form. Yet you are saying he'd be "no loss", and white-anting him. People shit me too, particularly one's who write off injured young players & make career calls on a 2 game spell.

Give the kid a ****ing break man, seriously
Lance do you believe we have the list to take us to another flag??
If not what needs to be done?

[JD11]

Would myers benifit from a pre season targeting endurance and speed??

Also could someone please explain the situation with the rookies to me.
If who when and how they will be getting on the list?
This question should get two threads... oh wait.

[HULK HOGAN]

I don't think speed is his issue, he's extremely "tight in the hips" as the yanks like to say. He struggles to move at speed laterally and change direction. Big summer of pilates and yoga to improve flexability i would suggest.
Yep could be on the money there mate.

[HULK HOGAN]

This question should get two threads... oh wait.
Sorry computer is screwing with me!!

[Towno78]

I agree with this. As a Myers aficionado I'm disappointed he's out, but I'm going to deal with it by assuming the MC have a better idea than I do about running a team

Another thing about the Match Committee (I opted not to use the acronym as it took me 5 mins to work out what you were referring to :)). I really like that they appear to be resting some players in the lead up to short weeks.

Prismall and Atkinson being dropped for Geelong was not liked by many, but since they didn't play in the reserves and came straight back in this week, I believe they have made the decision that we want to be bringing in fresh players, where possible, in short weeks. This, I don't believe, is the first time its happened this year.

Our best 20-30 are all pretty close atm, so we can rotate a couple of players without changing our structure a great deal. Our depth is long enough and our injury list is short enough to allow this, so I think this is a fantastic initiative. :thumbsu:

[eld246]

Thank you God, Dempsey is finally out of the side. Would like to have seen Lonergan out too. Glad Hooker is in, not sure about Prismall though. Would like to see Reimers in the side or maybe Howlett/Colyer

[Towno78]

This question should get two threads... oh wait.
haha, top call

[HFF_07]

generally I respect what you say too, but your very post exposes your negative bias. You're bringing up draft decisions made over 2 years ago, and moaning about how we could have had, again, based on 2 games (where he wasn't that bad, really).

Firstly, every club takes a gamble on draft players.

Secondly, it's indisputable that Myers has been injured and unable to find form. Yet you are saying he'd be "no loss", and white-anting him. People shit me too, particularly one's who write off injured young players & make career calls on a 2 game spell.

Give the kid a ****ing break man, seriously

I have watched with great interest when is he going to turn it all around.. But every time I see him play he has looked slow and cumbersome in that big frame of his and have hardly seen anything that suggests he is going to be a week in week out player in our best 22..

I have seen enough of him at both Essendon level and Bendigo level to think that he is not going to make it.. He made his name (in under 18 level) as a HBF, yet he is not good enough to make it at AFL level (proven by many failed games there) and I feel, has too much ground to make up on the solid midfielders (learning all the intricacies of being an AFL midfielder) whilst adding to that the aforementioned slow and cumbersome body physique of him.

I saw his game a couple of weeks ago against the dogs, superb..

Mark Bolton also tore Adam Goodes a new one too :rolleyes:

Everyone can play a really good game every once in a while too.. :cool:

As for the injuries, how many soft tissue injuries has there been? plenty I gather, he needs to learn how to manage them. It is not soley the clubs medico's fault and whilst it is ultimately his decision what he does, he should routinely follow the right path to full health and not return to playing earlier than he should which I think; may have happened on more than one occasion.

[HFF_07]

If u read what i wrote above i was the 1st to say he's been ordinary over the last 2 weeks but thats coz he's been played out of position.

He plays his best in the middle


Sorry d mac3726

I was not pointing my tirade at you :p

Just out of curiosity.. how do you know "he plays his best in the middle"?

What have you got to show this and back it up?

[carmi99]

He's played well in many games, in fact the last game against hawthorn he was sensational.

Name them.

[Ben the Gooner]

I have watched with great interest when is he going to turn it all around.. But every time I see him play he has looked slow and cumbersome in that big frame of his and have hardly seen anything that suggests he is going to be a week in week out player in our best 22..

I have seen enough of him at both Essendon level and Bendigo level to think that he is not going to make it..

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17905147&postcount=122

[HFF_07]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17905147&postcount=122

With a hint of sarcasm :confused::confused:

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...

[Ben the Gooner]

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...

That's ridiculous.

What if he hits Hird-like heights. Will you still be a naysayer?

[bacon buster]

second week in a row i've been disappointed with the selections.

can't see us winning this game with this team.

[Dkid]

I don't think speed is his issue, he's extremely "tight in the hips" as the yanks like to say. He struggles to move at speed laterally and change direction. Big summer of pilates and yoga to improve flexability i would suggest.
Drooling at this prospect. Would seriously help imo

[Lance Uppercut]

I have watched with great interest when is he going to turn it all around.. But every time I see him play he has looked slow and cumbersome in that big frame of his and have hardly seen anything that suggests he is going to be a week in week out player in our best 22..

I have seen enough of him at both Essendon level and Bendigo level to think that he is not going to make it.. He made his name (in under 18 level) as a HBF, yet he is not good enough to make it at AFL level (proven by many failed games there) and I feel, has too much ground to make up on the solid midfielders (learning all the intricacies of being an AFL midfielder) whilst adding to that the aforementioned slow and cumbersome body physique of him.

I saw his game a couple of weeks ago against the dogs, superb..

Mark Bolton also tore Adam Goodes a new one too :rolleyes:

Everyone can play a really good game every once in a while too.. :cool:

As for the injuries, how many soft tissue injuries has there been? plenty I gather, he needs to learn how to manage them. It is not soley the clubs medico's fault and whilst it is ultimately his decision what he does, he should routinely follow the right path to full health and not return to playing earlier than he should which I think; may have happened on more than one occasion.

well, we'll see. Go Myers!! :cool:

[Jono B]

Name them.
Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

[Lance Uppercut]

Lance do you believe we have the list to take us to another flag??
If not what needs to be done?

Hi Hulk, I'm sorry I have apparently not answered your question. I didn't realise I hadn't, & am more than happy to do so. I would have in your thread, but it's probably more appropriate here.

In a word, no. I don't think we have the list to take us to the flag. But I'll heavily qualify that statement by saying that I think that YES, we do have much of the talent on our list to win a flag.

I would ask you to look at Geelong circa 2005 where they went through a stringent review, & everyone thought they were crap. Were they? Hell no. Now they have a core list of mature, good players who are, simply, unbelievable.

Would you have suggested their list could have won a flag 5 years ago? I'm betting no. Nor would I.

The point I'm making, is that your question is simply too simplistic, with all due respect. A list today is totally different - apart from the obvious forced changes - from a list next year, because players have grown & matured. Look at Jetta this year. Even Myers, he'll come on, don't you worry. Already showing glimpses now he's injury free. And Gumby. Once he refines his kicking, he'll be a star. We have so much potential talent we could be anything. So do other teams though, but you play the hand you're dealt.

We definitely need a few more pieces of the puzzle. A gun midfielder or two, for starters. But who's to say Melksham and Zaka, for eg, can't become these players in 18 months to 2 years?

We have some of the best KPP talent in the land, & our midfield isn't anything like as bad as some like to make out. With another couple of additions, and the improvement in our already highly talented list, we are not far from having the list that can win a flag.

That's my opinion. Happy to hear your thoughts, but my answer is, not quite, but we could be not far away.

I recognise flaws. But at heart, I am a positive person; I prefer to focus on the positives not the negatives. That's not to say I blindly believe we will always win. But we are building something, & I'm happy to strap on for the ride

[HFF_07]

That's ridiculous.

What if he hits Hird-like heights. Will you still be a naysayer?

Supremely confident he will not get there...

[HFF_07]

Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

I have not said he has been shit all year.. NOT ONCE!!! I am hopeful, along with everyone that he will become a solid player, the Bulldogs game certainly showed something there, but will it come out on a consistent basis and form part of our best 22?

[Kong]

I will always be one of his biggest naysayers no matter how many "good" games he plays BtG...So you're suggesting that no matter how good this guy becomes, you'll slag him off regardless?

There's trying to buck the trend and make a definitive statement on a player, much like Ant used to do around here, and there's just bashing a guy.

[HFF_07]

So you're suggesting that no matter how good this guy becomes, you'll slag him off regardless?

There's trying to buck the trend and make a definitive statement on a player, much like Ant used to do around here, and there's just bashing a guy.

OK, so obviously I am going to have to turn it around if he becomes a good player at some point, but as stated previously..

"I am supremely confident he will not get there"

Only time will tell

[bombermick]

I don't think the MC have much idea of who is in our best 22. We keep rotating players trying to find that out. Some of it may be due to rotating players, with the aim of keeping it fresh, but IMO a big part is trying to find the right balance and players.

Dempsey is easily best 22, but not if he's forsaking his primary duty, which is to defend. Atkinson has been alright when he's come in and can replace his run off half-back. Hooker can take Lance which can allow Fletch to play more freely. I don't like Lonergan in the side, but who can replace him atm?

[The Great Barry Besanko]

Very disappointed re Dempsey. **** last week, we're playing at the G and against Hawks. Dempsey's pace is a must. Myers wasn't that bad against Swans was he?

[HFF_07]

I don't think the MC have much idea of who is in our best 22. We keep rotating players trying to find that out. Some of it may be due to rotating players, with the aim of keeping it fresh, but IMO a big part is trying to find the right balance and players.

Dempsey is easily best 22, but not if he's forsaking his primary duty, which is to defend. Atkinson has been alright when he's come in and can replace his run off half-back. Hooker can take Lance which can allow Fletch to play more freely. I don't like Lonergan in the side, but who can replace him atm?

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

[Towno78]

Supremely confident he will not get there...

He's only 20, with 20 AFL games experience...
When Jobe was still 20, most had doubts he would make it. I'm sure most still did when he was 22 and 40 games experience. Did you?
The Jet is 21, most had written him off until a month ago, I know I had my doubts. Hell Alwyn wasn't even drafted til he was 23?

All I'm saying is you claim you have seen enough of him to work out if he'll make it. I don't think so. Some players need more time, absolutely no doubt about that.
And you can't say he doesn't have the natural attributes to get there, cos he's got more than Jobe no doubt, i.e speed, footskills.

Anyway, nuff said. Let's see.

Was good IMO against:

Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Carlton
Fremantle

It does not mean he should have remained in the team. He was critisised by the coaching staff earlier in the year about his defensive side and he got it wrong last week on the back of an average game against Sydney.

But this overeaction that he has been shocking all year is stupid.

I have not said he has been shit all year.. NOT ONCE!!! I am hopeful, along with everyone that he will become a solid player, the Bulldogs game certainly showed something there, but will it come out on a consistent basis and form part of our best 22?

lol. This isn't the HFF vs Myers thread. They were discussing Dempsey :p

[yaco55]

Myers V Prismall? I dont think it is a contest at all. They both play different roles. One is a runner who uses his nous and knowledge of reading the play to win his own ball, whilst the other is supposedly this is in and under type with a booming kick. All in all, you know you are going to get 15 - 20 touches out of Prismal, what are we going to get out of Myers the next time he is in the seniors?

Slattery does all the team things, that is why he is in the team, a player who does it week in week out. I am not sure there is room for both Slatts and Mcveigh, but for unknown purposes, there is.

As for Riemers, he is injured. You would not replace a small defender with an attacking midfielder/forward now... unless you were going to play him in defence? :rolleyes:

Reimers has been named in the bendigo team.

I would play Reimers in the Lonergan role - May have lost out on the defensive side but gained in the offensive side.

[yaco55]

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

Hff

Definitely agree that Quinn has a few more tricks to his game - He could replace Lonergan - But the more logical replacement ( now ) is Reimers.

[yaco55]

A funny threAD - again - Moderators berating another moderator for 'bagging' Myers - I am certain the other moderators have 'bagged' players.

As well as most of the posters - including me.

[yaco55]

T.Slattery must be close to getting a game.

Watched him last week for Bendigo- His form is good and he appears ready to be tried at AFL level.

[rainman06]

Jesus Christ some of you must be so confident to think you know better than the selection committee.

Every decision that was made could be explained for its pro's and con's but it aint gonna mean shit until after tomorrow night. Lets wait until then before we slag off every decision.

[bombre-boy]

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

This is gold!! Great summary...

[FandangoDingo]

Probably would have kept Dempsey instead of Melksham.

Probably would have played Myers instead of Welsh. If Welsh isn't playing as a tagger then Myers offers more.

Interesting Hawthorn dropped Peterson, would have been one of the first I picked against us, his type kills us.

Agree with everything here. Peterson out is a real bonus.

As silly as it sounds. Quinn??

He has been pretty handy in the reserves in recent weeks and has certainly learnt a few more tricks to his game.. He could come in as a small forward. Kicked a ripper... Point after roving the ball front and centre and snapping truly through for a behind. certainly a sign of things to come.

More points?? ;) :p

T.Slattery must be close to getting a game.

Watched him last week for Bendigo- His form is good and he appears ready to be tried at AFL level.

I've really liked what I've seen of him too. I thought he'd get a run while Hooker was out. Seems he's in the best 3-4 week in, week out at Bendigo, but can't get a senior gig. I really hope he gets some games this year.

I'm disappointed in the selections this week. If the changes are primarily "rotations", as part of the MC's master-type-plan, how did the inclusion of Dyson last week, only to be dropped this week, work into all of this? Seems like they must have got that wrong last week? I think it's understandable that these type of "errors" and other selection inconsistencies can undermine supporters' (and players?) confidence in those that are running the show.

I think confidence is a HUGE element in a young player finding his feet in the AFL. It's MASSIVE! I feel that some of the yo-yo selections of a select number of players (when compared to a select number of other players) is undermining the confidence of some of our young players who are only just finding their place. I'm sure some players respond well to being dropped, but it's more likely to be a player who already feels that he belongs. I'm not sure Myers needed another stint at Bendigo, just before a natural week off. I think we'd all seen the "penny drop" for him a few weeks ago. He's since been shifted out of position to do a job for the team and now gets dropped. Not sure it sends the right message, IMHO.

I'm hoping Dempsey or Myers are late inclusions. Would rather pinch-hit in the ruck this week, especially if it's going to be wet.

Late changes:
OUT: Lonergan & Bellchambers (unlucky)
IN: Dempsey & Myers.

[Slattery_20]

Like the ins, but IMHO should have been Lonergan out instead & free Myers up.

[Ben the Gooner]

A funny threAD - again - Moderators berating another moderator for 'bagging' Myers - I am certain the other moderators have 'bagged' players.

As well as most of the posters - including me.

What does the fact that I'm a mod and HFF is a mod have to do with it? If you posted that, I'd have said the same thing.