View Full Version : 5 Match ODI Series: England v Australia
Cousin Jed
22 Jun 2010, 09:54
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Game 1: Tuesday 22nd June, 11:30pm at The Rose Bowl
Game 2: Thursday 24th June, 11:30pm at Sophia Gardens, Cardiff
Game 3: Sunday 27th June, 7:45pm at Old Trafford
Game 4: Wednesday 30th June, 10pm at The Oval
Game 5: Saturday July 3rd, 7:45pm at Lords
(All times AEST)
The ODI entree to the Ashes, with a 5 match ODI series 5 months before it starts. Australia have Johnson and Haddin out with various ailments so Tim Paine and Clint McKay get a chance to stake their claims.
England Squad of 14
*Andrew Strauss
+Craig Kieswetter
Kevin Pietersen
Paul Collingwood
Eoin Morgan
Luke Wright
Tim Bresnan
Graeme Swann
Stuart Broad
Ajmal Shahzad
James Anderson.
Ian Bell
Michael Yardy
Ryan Sidebottom
Australian Squad of 14
Shane Watson
+Tim Paine
*Ricky Ponting
Michael Clarke
Cameron White
Michael Hussey
James Hopes
Nathan Hauritz
Ryan Harris
Clint McKay
Doug Bollinger
Josh Hazelwood
Steve Smith
Shaun Marsh
Coverage
Cricinfo Scorecards:
Game 1 (http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-australia-2010/engine/current/match/426387.html)
Game 2 (http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-australia-2010/engine/current/match/426388.html)
Game 3 (http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-australia-2010/engine/current/match/426389.html)
Game 4 (http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-australia-2010/engine/current/match/426390.html)
Game 5 (http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-australia-2010/engine/current/match/426391.html)
Fox Sports
Games 1, 3 & 4 on Fox Sports 1
Game 2 on Fox Sports 2
Game 5 on Fox Sports 3
15-30 minutes pregames before all of them
Umpires:
Aleem Dar and a local appointment (Ian Gould for game 1)
Very important series this one.............................
Can't say I care about the results, hope Haze gets a game.
Channel 9 are showing it from 1am - 5:30am :confused: Either show the whole thing or not at all. Can't wait til we've got Lleyton or Sammy playing and they have to leave the Wimbledon coverage to watch a mickey mouse game.
OzBomber
22 Jun 2010, 16:55
I actually feel like watching cricket atm, but it's just the time zone that's an issue.
Bizarre that Nine are showing half a game. In fact, it is stupid as well.
damochandler
22 Jun 2010, 17:10
australia are clearly the no.1 team in the world at this form of the game and they should win this series
OzBomber
22 Jun 2010, 17:16
The final ODI is the same night as the women's final in Wimbledon. Which one will they ditch?
whats_at_stake
22 Jun 2010, 18:24
The final ODI is the same night as the women's final in Wimbledon. Which one will they ditch?
Depends on whether an Australian makes it to the final. I remember them delaying a midninght Twenty20 match not involving Australian teams for a movie. At midnight??? Really do not like them as broadcasters.
Add what to what they did to SBS with the French Open (SBS wanted the rights but Channel Nine co-bid with Foxtel and then ended up showing a 1 hour highlights package from midnight).
Doodlesweaver
22 Jun 2010, 19:22
Our batting is solid, but our bowling looks fragile.
The English team is very confident at the moment and they have KP back who is a very attacking player.
We can't afford slow-coaches doing too much consolidation in the middle overs in this series as I don't believe that we have the bowlers to defend low totals as we did last time.
I feel the other way, Clarke and Ponting have been very inconsistent lately and Hussey has been too a bit. Ryan Harris, McKay and Dougeh have all been good and Hauritz hasn't been shocking. Plus Hopes is decent
Of all the emerging players we've had in the frame in recent times, Hazlewood is the one I want to see debut nice and early. Every tall young fast bowler is compared to McGrath, but of all of them, this is the kid that I think actually has what it takes to be worthy of the comparison. High hopes for him, I wouldn't blink twice if we decided to give him the nod over McKay.
Crow_Throw
22 Jun 2010, 22:38
Bizarre that Nine are showing half a game. In fact, it is stupid as well.
I find it weird they're covering it at all, will be the first overseas game to be broadcast on Nine (that wasn't an International tournament match) since 1997.
Any test or OD match played in either Australia or England is on the anti-siphoning list I think.
jonesy86
22 Jun 2010, 23:04
Ponting won the toss and we are batting
wavefall21
22 Jun 2010, 23:10
Looking forward to this game, Punter and Pup's form are worries, obviously the team was rusty against Ireland and Middlesex but we can't just rely on White and Hussey to get us out of trouble like we have for the last year, England are an improved side since we played them last in an ODI, will be a close series
jonesy86
22 Jun 2010, 23:13
McKay given the ass after 2 crap lead in games.
Hazlewood becomes the youngest Aussie to debut in ODIs.
Aus $1.76 v $2.30 England
McKay given the ass after 2 crap lead in games.
Hazlewood becomes the youngest Aussie to debut in ODIs.
This is one case when if a Victorian comes in and calls "nsw bias; victorian hatred!" I might believe it. This makes no sense at all. Haze didn't play in either of the lead up games ffs!
Unless McKay is injured
According to Cricinfo, this is the 3000th One-Day International. :)
I still remember the first one, in 70-71, played at the MCG when the test match was completely washed out.
Australia won by 5 wickets IIRC, with Stacky taking 3-40. :D
This is one case when if a Victorian comes in and calls "nsw bias; victorian hatred!" I might believe it. This makes no sense at all. Haze didn't play in either of the lead up games ffs!
Unless McKay is injured
This kid is a special case. Best bowling talent in the country, they'd be stupid not to be super-keen to get a look at him on the world stage and frankly I bloody welcome it. If he's a potential elite, blood him!
jonesy86
22 Jun 2010, 23:28
I reckon we need 325+ to be competitive... our bowling attack is sub-standard and England bat down to #10 with Broad. James Anderson at #11 isn't that bad eithr.
This kid is a special case. Best bowling talent in the country, they'd be stupid not to be super-keen to get a look at him on the world stage and frankly I bloody welcome it. If he's a potential elite, blood him!
While I don't disagree he has massive potential, they should have played him in the warm-ups. This will be his first competitive match for a while and will, most likely, be rusty.
eddiesmith
22 Jun 2010, 23:32
This is one case when if a Victorian comes in and calls "nsw bias; victorian hatred!" I might believe it. This makes no sense at all. Haze didn't play in either of the lead up games ffs!
Unless McKay is injured
Only possible explanation, although after the test side announced today, maybe Pistol was right :)
TheStinger
22 Jun 2010, 23:51
Is that new Muslim lad in this side or did he just get selected for the tests?
Edit: Guess not according to the squad list. Why not give him a run in one of these "meaningless" matches?
Notorious_29
23 Jun 2010, 00:00
Good solid start here. Both batsmen looking pretty comfortable.
danielnajdek
23 Jun 2010, 00:02
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm a Vic gets dropped for a New South Welshman would never have seen that coming.
50 partnership in the 9th over.
Notorious_29
23 Jun 2010, 00:06
I jinxed us. :o
placebo
23 Jun 2010, 00:49
Daaaaaamnit.
danielnajdek
23 Jun 2010, 00:50
When's Punter gonna get dropped?
wavefall21
23 Jun 2010, 00:54
Another Punter failure, geez his contributions in this form of the game have been very ordinary since the the champions trophy, he continues to get out to dumb shots, same old story, 3 down for not a lot now we have to rely on Bear to get us out of trouble and post a decent score
danielnajdek
23 Jun 2010, 00:55
While Clarke makes 50 off 278 balls ;)
kingbet22
23 Jun 2010, 01:20
clarke is so boring!
DeadlyAkkuret
23 Jun 2010, 01:41
Typical moron/T20 mindset. Clarke has hit 5 boundaries in his 37 and is doing his best to save us once again, but it's boring and people still find a reason to complain.
Notorious_29
23 Jun 2010, 01:58
Hussman out :thumbsd:
Clarke putting in a very good innings here, we need him to carry on for a 80+ score and a couple of other little cameos along the way. 260-280 should be the target from here, which is at least competitive.
Drummond
23 Jun 2010, 02:17
As Clarke becomes more boring to watch, he also becomes a better, more complete batsman.
Pity we can't have both really, but he's doing a job here once again.
TimeIsRunningOut
23 Jun 2010, 02:30
Another Punter failure, geez his contributions in this form of the game have been very ordinary since the the champions trophy
905 @ 41.14 (including today) since the Champions Trophy. Just saying.
Competitive total in the end, if we bowl well we should win.
Nice steady knock by Clarke, really dug in when we needed him to when we looked shaky.
Handy cameo by Hauritz at the end as well.
DeadlyAkkuret
23 Jun 2010, 02:59
Those sort of innings are the reason I still love ODI, someone digging in and gradually building a great knock to get us out of a hole.
Great job Pup!
Grimwood
23 Jun 2010, 03:03
England didn't bowl too badly, but that's a good effort by Australia. I'd be happy with runs on the board.
Grimwood
23 Jun 2010, 04:41
Hazlewood's method is nice and simple. Really promising, although he looks like he'd be happier in the longer form of the game.
HAZE!!!
First wicket, nice way to get it.
Doodlesweaver
23 Jun 2010, 06:32
Morgan is some player, isn't he? He's just having a larf with our bowling attack.
Lucky Clarke got some boundaries in early in his innings as they sure as hell dried up in the death overs. He's a strange one.
Doodlesweaver
23 Jun 2010, 06:38
McKay given the ass after 2 crap lead in games.
Hazlewood becomes the youngest Aussie to debut in ODIs.
It's not only two crap lead in games. He has been playing FP20 for Yorkshire and his economy rate is over 9 an over for them. English batsmen like him. they like him a lot. So I suppose the management thought they really didn't have much to lose by handing Hazlewood a cap. I agree that giving him at least one warm-up game might have been using their brains.
Poor effort with the ball, we had a chance when they were four down, but bowled rubbish after that.
Doodlesweaver
23 Jun 2010, 07:21
Well played Morgan, he is such a good short format player.
Punter and Nielsen are going to have to do some thinking.
Ron, it was a flat track and that total was slightly below par, especially as our attack is pretty limited at present.
I really can't see that McKay would have made much difference to the team's performance. He'll probably start next game though, so I have to hope that he can provide some spark of life.
Grimwood
23 Jun 2010, 07:26
I guess you'd say that the difference came in Wright/Yardy vs Watson/Hopes in the bowling and Morgan vs Clarke in the batting. Clarke's innings was by no means bad, but he just couldn't keep the rate up like Morgan did.
Australia should pick Nannes.
Doodlesweaver
23 Jun 2010, 08:03
I guess you'd say that the difference came in Wright/Yardy vs Watson/Hopes in the bowling and Morgan vs Clarke in the batting. Clarke's innings was by no means bad, but he just couldn't keep the rate up like Morgan did.
Australia should pick Nannes.
Yes, our limitations were exposed against decent teams in a way that they weren't against shambolic Pakistan and under-gunned West Indies.
Clarke can rarely keep at a run a ball, he can barely do it in 20/20 so expecting him to in ODI's is a tough call. It was his last few overs that really showed how much trouble he has in getting runs under pressure. He couldn't even put away full tosses for more than a single.
But he was the only one who kicked on and held the innings together and that is what he is there for. He can't take attacks by the scruff of the neck unfortunately.
The last series against the Kiwis was hardly a stroll in the park even with Johnson bowling well.
Don't know why we've been avoiding Nannes, with the WC next year his age doesn't really matter and with respect to McKay, Harris and Haze...he's better.
Hope we go in with all of Dougeh, Harris, McKay and Haze in one of the matches. Smith can come in for Hopes. No real reason for this hope, just would like to see it.
Doodlesweaver
23 Jun 2010, 08:33
Don't know why we've been avoiding Nannes, with the WC next year his age doesn't really matter and with respect to McKay, Harris and Haze...he's better.
Hope we go in with all of Dougeh, Harris, McKay and Haze in one of the matches. Smith can come in for Hopes. No real reason for this hope, just would like to see it.
Maybe Nannes can earn more money on the 20/20 circuit? He doesn't have a contract with Aus so might not come to the party even if they asked him.
I think he would though and it would have been a logical replacement for Mitch.
wavefall21
23 Jun 2010, 09:20
disappointing effort, no doubt about that, aside from White who didnt fire our batting really lack that cunning edge, they need to take it to opposition attacks more, morgan made it look so easy, i'm not sure why experts and commentators rate our batting so highly
our bowling is a concern too, hopes and watson just dont get the job done, Eng look a far more potent team
Bomber Bears
23 Jun 2010, 11:17
While Clarke makes 50 off 278 balls ;)87* at a s/r of a tick under 90 whilst everyone else basically failed. Terrible performace wasnt it.
Not his fault he came in at a point where they needed to stem the flow of wickets. Not his fault the 'cutting edge' players such Ponting and White, Watson and even Hussey failed. Not his fault Tim Paine strikes at about 65 (the guy people want to replace Haddin, lol).
Clarke must've batted pretty damn well.
Eion Morgan, another Non-englishman scoring runs for them. WHo would've thought that would happen!
Ill Chicken
23 Jun 2010, 12:05
Ha. One loss and suddenly it's all doom and gloom and Ponting/Nielsen needed to do something, yeah, retire from ODI's/coaching. That's not going to happen, so they're rusty, who cares? At least the series is alive.
There is no reason to bring Nannes in. He is 34, has had injury problems, he is a liability.
Why play Hazelwood over McKay? It's stupid, not only for Hazelwood but McKay who has literally done nothing wrong in the ODI arena.
Clarke is not a winner, he is a contributor. Eoin Morgan is a winner.
damochandler
23 Jun 2010, 16:21
They were 30 to 50 runs short on that track. The middle is a problem and still late over bowling is a major problem. I still think they will win the series. They lost the first game in new zealand
danielnajdek
23 Jun 2010, 17:45
87* at a s/r of a tick under 90 whilst everyone else basically failed. Terrible performace wasnt it.
Not his fault he came in at a point where they needed to stem the flow of wickets. Not his fault the 'cutting edge' players such Ponting and White, Watson and even Hussey failed. Not his fault Tim Paine strikes at about 65 (the guy people want to replace Haddin, lol).
Clarke must've batted pretty damn well.
Eion Morgan, another Non-englishman scoring runs for them. WHo would've thought that would happen!
Was boring as bat shit when I was watching it. Still think he bats too slow. But hey that's just my opinion and no one seems to care what people think in here anyways ;)
Ill Chicken
23 Jun 2010, 18:14
Was boring as bat shit when I was watching it. Still think he bats too slow. But hey that's just my opinion and no one seems to care what people think in here anyways ;)
If they're not prepared to remove him from the ODI team, they should reshuffle the order; White comes in at four, Hussey five and then Clarke at six.
danielnajdek
23 Jun 2010, 18:29
If they're not prepared to remove him from the ODI team, they should reshuffle the order; White comes in at four, Hussey five and then Clarke at six.
Yep agree :thumbsu: 250 runs these days isn't enough at least need 280-300
lynchy4610
23 Jun 2010, 18:32
James Hopes should be banished forever, have never really rated this guy, his batting is so so, Don't think he is the kind of guy that will win you a game with the bat, and his bowling is rubbish.
Steve Smith should come in for hopes to start with, but we really need to look at our bowling attack, not sure why Hazlewood was thrown in so early, I do think he will be a good bowler but there is no rush, and McKay is not the answer.
Our attack just looks pedestrian , no where near threatening when you had Bracken, Lee, Johnson, Tait.
Whats the story with Bracken, is he not fit? or just not selected, I would have thought he still could be a good bowler in ODI cricket.
DeadlyAkkuret
23 Jun 2010, 19:01
Remove him from the team, lol this board is a joke most of the time.
If they're not prepared to remove him from the ODI team, they should reshuffle the order; White comes in at four, Hussey five and then Clarke at six.
Clarke's problem is his scoring rate, I'm not sure having him come in at 6 when we are looking to accelerate is the ideal spot. He's got to be in early enough to anchor the innings and give White, Hussey, Hopes a platform
moto748
23 Jun 2010, 23:03
87* at a s/r of a tick under 90 whilst everyone else basically failed. Terrible performace wasnt it.
Not his fault he came in at a point where they needed to stem the flow of wickets. Not his fault the 'cutting edge' players such Ponting and White, Watson and even Hussey failed. Not his fault Tim Paine strikes at about 65 (the guy people want to replace Haddin, lol).
Clarke must've batted pretty damn well.
Eion Morgan, another Non-englishman scoring runs for them. WHo would've thought that would happen!
Rubbish, Bomber. He's as English as biltong and Father Ted! :D
Blue Dimension
24 Jun 2010, 01:52
I know Mckay and Harris have done the job in the Aussie summer, but I'm personally bewildered as to why the selectors are avoiding Bracken. Admittedly he is aging and had an injury but he is all class with the ball. With the world cup only a year away, and with such an inexperienced attack he should be in the squad. I'd rather Bracken any day of the week over Mckay.
Why does Lee get a golden pass but Bracken has to work for it?
Anyway, hopefully the boys can hit back, but I tipped England before this ODI series. They are a more in form team at the moment imo.
Ill Chicken
24 Jun 2010, 07:28
Remove him from the team, lol this board is a joke most of the time.
They've removed other players for lesser reasons. He has batted over a 100 strike rate once in the last three years. He remained not out in this match and hit what, two fours in the last 10 overs and only one coming in the power play.
Clarke's problem is his scoring rate, I'm not sure having him come in at 6 when we are looking to accelerate is the ideal spot. He's got to be in early enough to anchor the innings and give White, Hussey, Hopes a platform
The reality is that he doesn't have an excuse to get going if he comes in at number six, he is forced to attack. Statistics wise his S/R is at its best coming from 6 or 7. He honestly does not take the game away from the opposition when coming in at four particularly when batting first or when chasing 250+ totals.
Cousin Jed
24 Jun 2010, 08:27
Scapegoat tally after game 1
Clarke 1
Hopes 1
87* at a s/r of a tick under 90 whilst everyone else basically failed. Terrible performace wasnt it.
Not his fault he came in at a point where they needed to stem the flow of wickets. Not his fault the 'cutting edge' players such Ponting and White, Watson and even Hussey failed. Not his fault Tim Paine strikes at about 65 (the guy people want to replace Haddin, lol).
Clarke must've batted pretty damn well.
Eion Morgan, another Non-englishman scoring runs for them. WHo would've thought that would happen!
It is becoming a fast, 4 of their top 5 born in other countries and no doubt grew up there. Ponting had this to say a week ago;
http://www.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/463398.html
And if you want to lol at the comments below, people trying to use Dirk Nannes as a comparison. Absolute idiots, as Nannes was born and bred aussie he used his parents nationality to play for the Dutch and was already playing FC in Aus for many years it is not like we poached him away from the Dutch. Likewise for Kawajha moved to Aus when he was 4.
Hazlewood should stay in the side, immense talent who will benefit a great deal from this experience. Didn't look out of place once he settled - that delivery to remove Bedwetter was a jaffa.
eddiesmith
24 Jun 2010, 14:00
Before attacking England for players born elsewhere, lets not forget who Australias next test debutant is ;)
But as for the Irish, you cant expect a player who is good enough to play test cricket to keep playing for Ireland when the country he spends alot of time in and is able to play for does play Test cricket
Before attacking England for players born elsewhere, lets not forget who Australias next test debutant is ;)
But as for the Irish, you cant expect a player who is good enough to play test cricket to keep playing for Ireland when the country he spends alot of time in and is able to play for does play Test cricket
Tim Paine is an Aussie through and through ;)
But no, personally I don't like it at all - a side being able to out and out poach players from Ireland, and claim players who were not only born in other countries, but grew up and played their junior cricket in other countries. Nothing short of dodgy imo.
Usman Khawaja moved here at 3 or 4 years of age, grew up in Australia and played all of his cricket here. That's a hell of a lot different to say Pietersen or Kieswetter, South Africans through and through who one day said "I feel like playing for England now" and that was that. If an "Australian" side made up of imports in that vein went on to win the WC or string 5 ashes series together, I'd put an asterisk next to those results. I don't think I could support such a team.
When Morgan put that magnificent knock together the other night, all I could think about was the fact that the man putting us to the sword wasn't even English.
But as for the Irish, you cant expect a player who is good enough to play test cricket to keep playing for Ireland when the country he spends alot of time in and is able to play for does play Test cricket
Yeah you can't blame the players, but you can blame the poms who from a country of 65 million people still can't manage to find 11 players born and bred to play in their side, they have to rely on imports!
Grimwood
24 Jun 2010, 17:27
I really have no desire to bring down the wrath of SweetLeftFoot, but an Irishman playing for 'England' isn't exactly crazy.
Anyway, today we've got a game in Wales to celebrate Australia's first (or second?) Welsh Prime Minister.
eddiesmith
24 Jun 2010, 17:51
Tim Paine is an Aussie through and through ;)
But no, personally I don't like it at all - a side being able to out and out poach players from Ireland, and claim players who were not only born in other countries, but grew up and played their junior cricket in other countries. Nothing short of dodgy imo.
Usman Khawaja moved here at 3 or 4 years of age, grew up in Australia and played all of his cricket here. That's a hell of a lot different to say Pietersen or Kieswetter, South Africans through and through who one day said "I feel like playing for England now" and that was that. If an "Australian" side made up of imports in that vein went on to win the WC or string 5 ashes series together, I'd put an asterisk next to those results. I don't think I could support such a team.
When Morgan put that magnificent knock together the other night, all I could think about was the fact that the man putting us to the sword wasn't even English.
Forgot that Paine was uncapped, amazing given how often Haddin has been injured
As for Usman, that doesnt stop people calling Andrew Strauss a South African and his mother was atleast English, the funny thing is when they abuse those who were born overseas and moved to England when they were younger, but then also complain when an English player born in England returns after being moved overseas when he was younger, they just cant win
But in cricket the money is very good if you can make it to the top level, unlike AFL where there are 16 teams and 40 players, you dont have the same options in cricket so I dont have any problem with someone moving overseas. Sometimes its just simply for a better life and why should they be punished and kept away from International cricket for that?
Ireland to England though isnt that big of a change especially as all Irish cricketers who want to play a decent level would spend all of summer in England anyway playing county cricket
Forgot that Paine was uncapped, amazing given how often Haddin has been injured
As for Usman, that doesnt stop people calling Andrew Strauss a South African and his mother was atleast English, the funny thing is when they abuse those who were born overseas and moved to England when they were younger, but then also complain when an English player born in England returns after being moved overseas when he was younger, they just cant win
But in cricket the money is very good if you can make it to the top level, unlike AFL where there are 16 teams and 40 players, you dont have the same options in cricket so I dont have any problem with someone moving overseas. Sometimes its just simply for a better life and why should they be punished and kept away from International cricket for that?
Ireland to England though isnt that big of a change especially as all Irish cricketers who want to play a decent level would spend all of summer in England anyway playing county cricket
Yeah, I know. There are plenty of people who will criticize silly things just to have a dig (though in Strauss's case a lot of people do it to take the piss, myself included). I don't have a problem with Strauss playing for England, nor will I take issue with Khawaja playing for Australia. But the likes of Kieswetter, Morgan, Pietersen? Absolutely farcical that they play for England imo.
I appreciate that the winning feeling is a good feeling, and the poms are enjoying watching some victories being stringed together at the minute, but deep down, there's no way anyone with sound sporting values could be comfortable with what's happening. If the Aussies ever stoop to this, I'll boycott the side.
DeadlyAkkuret
24 Jun 2010, 18:51
Scapegoat tally after game 1
Clarke 1
Hopes 1
How often do you think the scapegoat has also been the highest scorer for his team?
Doodlesweaver
24 Jun 2010, 19:16
How often do you think the scapegoat has also been the highest scorer for his team?
By his standards that was a good innings from Clarke and there wasn't anyone else who even got 50.
But it's damn funny watching him hitting full-tosses for singles in the last few overs. He is either intent on red-inking or is really now just incapable of hitting the ball with any power. Even on the last ball he was looking to nurdle it. He can't even swing properly when it doesn't matter anymore.:p
But it's his own fault. He has spent so much time telling the press and anyone else who will listen that his strengths are running between wickets, working the ball around and finding gaps, that he has convinced himself that he can't hit. If you convince yourself of that, you're stuffed.
Santana
24 Jun 2010, 20:50
But as for the Irish, you cant expect a player who is good enough to play test cricket to keep playing for Ireland when the country he spends alot of time in and is able to play for does play Test cricket
Great line of thinking, if your a good player on a developing nation, don't stay and play hard for your country, just piss off and leave to a developed one.
The game will really grow then.
eddiesmith
24 Jun 2010, 20:55
Great line of thinking, if your a good player on a developing nation, don't stay and play hard for your country, just piss off and leave to a developed one.
The game will really grow then.
You gotta make a living somehow and the team isnt going to play test cricket anytime during your career so why not?
Maybe if its all about improving the standard then the ICC should open up the qualification rules, I am sure there are a few more Brendan Nash's who might want to play for these countries
Meh, they do their 4 years qualification, they are qualified and want to play for England, WGAF.
Morgan went from playing for Ireland on the 6th of April 09 to playing for England on the 24th of May 09. However if Morgan wanted to play Ireland again, he'd have to wait 4 years. You'd think it would be the other way around wouldn't you? At least KP and co waited 4 years to play for England......
You gotta make a living somehow and the team isnt going to play test cricket anytime during your career so why not?
Maybe if its all about improving the standard then the ICC should open up the qualification rules, I am sure there are a few more Brendan Nash's who might want to play for these countries
This is not club level or franchise cricket! In the IPL, players come from far and wide and accept big contracts to play for franchise sides. This, county cricket, Big Bash and whatnot, that's the time for foreign players to play elsewhere. But we're talking about nation vs nation. Aussies play for Australia, South Africans play for South Africa, English people should play for England.
Australia won the toss and will bat, Smith and McKay are in for Hazlewood (omitted :rolleyes:) and Harris (groin). Final XIs:
England: 1 Andrew Strauss (capt) 2 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 3 Kevin Pietersen, 4 Paul Collingwood, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Luke Wright, 7 Tim Bresnan, 8 Michael Yardy, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 James Anderson
Australia: 1 Shane Watson, 2 Tim Paine (wk), 3 Ricky Ponting (capt), 4 Michael Clarke, 5 Cameron White, 6 Mike Hussey, 7 James Hopes, 8 Steven Smith, 9 Nathan Hauritz, 10 Clint McKay, 11 Doug Bollinger
Not happy Jan with Haze being left out.
SuperMonty
24 Jun 2010, 23:18
But we're talking about nation vs nation. Aussies play for Australia, South Africans play for South Africa, English people should play for England.
Does this just apply to cricket or all sports for Australia? Because you might want to take a good look at your Union side and the team that represented you at the last olympics.
Every case is different. Kieswetter actually went to school in the UK, Morgan has been at Middlesex since he's 16.
wavefall21
24 Jun 2010, 23:27
Geez harris out really hurts, clearly our best ODI bowler, not overly excited about McKay coming in, would have kept Hazelwood in to give him experience, pretty defensive selection that one, like the inclusion of smith for his all round ability
We really need to post close to 300 I feel cos our bowling isn't aggressive enough
DeadlyAkkuret
24 Jun 2010, 23:34
Stream? Found a few but they're all laggy
Selective Retention
24 Jun 2010, 23:38
Mediocre bowling attack is an understatement. Dougie needs to come good. Got spanked in his county stint a couple of years back IIRC and he didn't trouble them in the first game.
Watto going nuts. 0/21 after 2.
eddiesmith
24 Jun 2010, 23:43
It will be interesting to see the batting order, Smith in for Hazlewood sounds a bit of a strange selection unless they are going for Hopes as the 3rd seamer and Smith has come in as more of a batsman so we might see him at 7
Stream? Found a few but they're all laggy
I found the radio coverage, that'll do me for the time being.
Especially when they start talking about seagulls and the droppings of flying foxes. The Poms make cricket coverage err.........interesting.
:D
Selective Retention
24 Jun 2010, 23:45
You've got to rotate the strike Timmy, especially with Watto on fire.
Snick into the slips - but no-one there. Four runs.
The catching fieldsmen are on the leg side apparently. :eek:
They are talking about fishing now. :p
Aussie off to a nice start.
Doodlesweaver
24 Jun 2010, 23:51
It makes me laugh when they say you can't beat a nice English summer. Ha, ha. The whole 6 weeks of it.
wavefall21
25 Jun 2010, 00:10
Terrible innings from Paine, terrible
DeadlyAkkuret
25 Jun 2010, 00:11
It makes me laugh when they say you can't beat a nice English summer. Ha, ha. The whole 6 weeks of it.
That's why you can't beat it, it's too fast.
Terrible innings from Paine, terrible
when was the last time he scored at a s/r of above 137.21? DUD. has cost us another match with his slow scoring.
Doodlesweaver
25 Jun 2010, 00:18
So far Paine is doing himself no favours with the bat.
danielnajdek
25 Jun 2010, 00:20
What a paine in the arse.:p
wavefall21
25 Jun 2010, 00:21
when was the last time he scored at a s/r of above 137.21? DUD. has cost us another match with his slow scoring.
jumping the gun there a bit mate, i wouldn't label him a dud yet, he has talent, but he doesn't seem to be playing the same game I'm used to see him playing at domestic level, he usually takes the bowling on, he just uses up way too many deliveries and hence puts pressure on the non striker
Goldencats
25 Jun 2010, 00:28
This is the frustrating part for me, we usually start at a good rate then once the likes of Punter and Pup come in they let the bowling get on top of them by using up too many ball, they just go into their shells, this usually leads to wickets
Goldencats
25 Jun 2010, 00:30
Well there you go, another useless contribution from the captain, England well on top
Doodlesweaver
25 Jun 2010, 00:33
Watson is going to really have to pull his finger out. Anybody think that the batting line-up is really nervous? That's what they looked like at the Rose Bowl and that is what it seems like now.