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eagleskickass
20 Jun 2003, 14:20
If we finish 8th we still get the same benefits of finishing top 4 AND we get a better draft pick:rolleyes: But of course as we would be the better side we would still win on the day even if we have to travel instead of having the opposition travel.
Of course we CAN win in melbourne but if we earnt the right for a home final we should bloody well get it and not HAVE to travel to win:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
RzrBlade
20 Jun 2003, 14:28
Originally posted by eagleskickass
Of course we CAN win in melbourne but if we earnt the right for a home final we should bloody well get it and not HAVE to travel to win:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Damn straight buddy!!!
Up yours AFL! http://invisionfree.com:54/40/57/emo/aaa.gif
eagleskickass
20 Jun 2003, 14:33
Just quickly want to in brief give melbournes argument as to why we shouldnt get it.
MCG is biggest and "most neutral" ground in Australia and so all big games should be played there.
Ok, do you know what my BIGGEST gripe is(there are A LOT!:@). Its that it its not something we make up that we earnt the right to a home final, its the way the AFL does it and its what is decided as the way the rules work. THEN they also have the MCC agreement as well as they never forsaw when they wrote a)the rule about home finals and b)signed the MCC agreement that there might not be any vic sides who earnt a home final.
If we had never been given the opportunity, if it was just how it was, that all finals were in melb while i may still be upset about it i wouldnt be OUTRAGED by it as thats how it was to be, rather than us being MEANT to get a homefinal but due to a stupid agreement we get ****ing robbed of it:@
If this years Finals series doesnt make the AFL sit up and take notice, then nothing will ever change for the duration of the contract.
Stupid contract but theyre stuck with it. Funny how all the interstate teams are lobbying together for a change to the rules but in 96 + 99 no one seemed to care when it was only the Eagles.....
daddy_4_eyes
20 Jun 2003, 22:09
Originally posted by eagleskickass
Just quickly want to in brief give melbournes argument as to why we shouldnt get it.
MCG is biggest and "most neutral" ground in Australia and so all big games should be played there.
Actually, after the NSW, Queensland, WA and SA Premiers publicly complained about the unfairness of that rule, the very intelligent Victorian Premiers reply was to give his counterparts the rule book. Thats right, because its in the rule book it makes it fair (according to the vics atleast).
Eddie McGuire has also publicly pointed the non-victorians to the rule book as his argument for why the rule is fair.
There is no justification for the MCC to hold onto that contract. The AFL said they would financially compensate the MCC if they missed out on a final, so its not like it would hurt them financially. AFL is a predominantly Australian played sport, so its not as if the MCG would lose its prestige by missing out on a final.
The AFL is already playing the minimum quota of games at the G, and are threatening to play mostly the low crowd drawing teams there (meaning lots of interstaters playing at the MCG). This rule will not survive forever, unfortunately though, I don't think it will be rectified this year.
ScouseCat
21 Jun 2003, 02:06
Originally posted by eagleskickass
But of course as we would be the better side we would still win on the day even if we have to travel instead of having the opposition travel.
Originally posted by eagleskickass
MCG is biggest and "most neutral" ground in Australia and so all big games should be played there.
Oh dear... :(
I am going to bite my tounge from now on with regards to this issue after seeing this thread, which is aimed at comments I have made.
Fair enough, the rule isn't perfect... I'll be the first to admit that, but what can you do?? I could argue that Geelong got screwed in 1997 when we had to play Adelaide away in the 2nd week... probably cost Geelong the flag that year, but do you see me being bitter?? What's the point, those are the rules and you have to make the best of them, just like Adelaide did in 1998, winning 4 away finals in a row to win the flag.
You should be focussing on how well your team is going at the moment, rather then whinging about what may or may not happen come September.
Voice of Reason
21 Jun 2003, 02:16
Originally posted by ScouseCat
Fair enough, the rule isn't perfect... I'll be the first to admit that, but what can you do?? I could argue that Geelong got screwed in 1997 when we had to play Adelaide away in the 2nd week... probably cost Geelong the flag that year, but do you see me being bitter??
But you wouldn't win that argument because Geelong played their first final in Melbourne and lost to the 7th on the ladder North Melbourne. Therefore they lost their right to a home final and rightfully played away to Adelaide where they lost (rather unluckily and partly because of a match-turning bad umpiring decision by Grant Vernon in not paying that mark).
So your analogy is crap.
...and yes, you are bitter, about 1997, 1994, 1992............
You cannot justify the present situation. It is wrong and everyone knows it.
eagleskickass
21 Jun 2003, 02:38
Originally posted by ScouseCat
You should be focussing on how well your team is going at the moment, rather then whinging about what may or may not happen come September.
hey darren, read MANY other threads of mine where ive said "well this is hows its gonna be so lets just finish as high as we can, then go and screw them all/win wherever they make us play. Now just cause im saying that and just cause thats how it is it DOESNT make it RIGHT and im sorry but this is a BIG issue in footy to me, so i will NOT be quiet about it, period. And please dont take this thread to heart. Yes it was based on all things you've said but its NOT a dig at you, just some very good quotes to work with:D.
Cheers Mate, talk soon.
PS - yeah your analogy is kinda crap:P if you'd EARNT a melbourne final but got forced to go to Adelaide THEN you would have a point;) And if i get the time in my time off next week i am going to go through ALL finals since Sydney came in and work out a % of interstate sides winning at home(when it is earnt) and winning away in finals. I will also note which team was a)in the better form and b) finished higher on the ladder. We'll see just how far this "the better side wins on the day" is:) Once again not a personal dig at you, just you happen to have bought these things up.
Originally posted by ScouseCat
I could argue that Geelong got screwed in 1997 when we had to play Adelaide away in the 2nd week... probably cost Geelong the flag that year, but do you see me being bitter??
Yes, you're being bitter, not to mention unreasonable. Geelong, as first week losers, were rightly scheduled to play an away match.
There was no contractual arangment between the AFL and Football Park to stage that match in Adelaide, so it simply isn't the same thing.
Kenny_01
21 Jun 2003, 04:48
I wonder if Scousecat would be singing the same tune if one year Geelong finished 5th and then had to come play Freo (who finished 8th) at Subi.
I didn't think so. It's like decreasing your chances of winning from 80% to 20%.
You have to ask the question, what's the point of winning regular season games? You might as well sit back and relax... and get right for the finals.
Voice of Reason
21 Jun 2003, 10:33
Originally posted by Kenny_01
You have to ask the question, what's the point of winning regular season games? You might as well sit back and relax... and get right for the finals.
I thought Mick did a bit of that last year with Collingwood. The later stages of the H&A were not very successful. They then came out and played one brilliant game away to Port, a good game against Adelaide to get in to the GF, then just failed to get over the line in the big one.
With their easy draw, I thought they could do similar this year (since interstate teams were always likely to be the best this year), but they are discovering that they do actually have to win some games to get there!
^Eagle^
21 Jun 2003, 23:35
The Victorian premier said "we invented the game". Not really actually if you look back at history:
The SANFL started in 1877, the WAFL started in 1885 and the VFL started in 1897. While clubs like carlton may have started in the 1850s they weren't playing in a proper league until 20 yrs after the SANFL started and more then 10 yrs after the WAFL!!!
carneagles
21 Jun 2003, 23:50
Originally posted by ^Eagle^
The Victorian premier said "we invented the game". Pfft. An Australian invented the Black Box flight recorder, but you don't see us demanding that the rest of the world have their crashes here. Or something like that.
eagleskickass
22 Jun 2003, 00:00
Just curious as i cant remember exactly but wasnt Tom Wills(credited with inventing the game) a NSW person LIVING in Vic when he started devising the game?
ScouseCat
22 Jun 2003, 01:04
Originally posted by ^Eagle^
The Victorian premier said "we invented the game". Not really actually if you look back at history:
The SANFL started in 1877, the WAFL started in 1885 and the VFL started in 1897. While clubs like carlton may have started in the 1850s they weren't playing in a proper league until 20 yrs after the SANFL started and more then 10 yrs after the WAFL!!!
Hey, there's nothing wrong with our Premier, and Bracksy is a Geelong supporter which is even better. :D
As for your comment regarding the VFL, don't forget that this league was formed as a break-away league from the VFA, which had been around longer then the SANFL and WAFL.
The MCC contract is absolutely ridiculous, anyone who doesnt atleast admit that it is biased towards the VIC team should take a hard look at themselves IMHO!
GoEagles
22 Jun 2003, 02:34
We have a 100% success rate at the MCG this year so the ground holds no fears - and who knows, we might get the crowd behind us (surely the Chris Judd love factor) if we play a Brisbane or Port Adelaide.
Originally posted by ScouseCat
As for your comment regarding the VFL, don't forget that this league was formed as a break-away league from the VFA, which had been around longer then the SANFL and WAFL. Incorrect. The VFA and the SANFL (I think it might've been the SAFA back then) both started in 1877.
Originally posted by carneagles
Pfft. An Australian invented the Black Box flight recorder, but you don't see us demanding that the rest of the world have their crashes here. Or something like that. You don't see every soccer, cricket and rugby world cup staged in England either.
eagleskickass
22 Jun 2003, 19:41
Originally posted by DaveW
You don't see every soccer, cricket and rugby world cup staged in England either.
Exactly, i like it:cool: Good point!
Originally posted by Kenny_01
You have to ask the question, what's the point of winning regular season games? You might as well sit back and relax...
So THAT'S been the Dockers tactic for all these years... :D