Quinn, Lonergan, H Slattery & Welsh

[Daytripper]

We aren't going anywhere with these guys and playing them any further is a waste of time.

Can anyone seriously tell me that Dempsey, Myers, Houlli and Atkinson aren't better players...........

[Longy413]

Welsh has a role. If he is tagging and I thought he beat Vince tonight.

Quinn doesn't.

Lonergan should be played in the midfield if he is going to play and I thought Slattery at least held Porplyzia whilst he was on.

I'd leave McVeigh and Slattery out and see if Hardingham can play that role.
McVeigh talks about his passion for the club, time to really show it and step aside.

I'd like to see Houli and Myers play the season out.

Forget about Atkinson, we know what we are going to get from him. He'll play well when we're running on top of the ground and he'll go missing when the going is tough.

[Johnny619]

Add NLM to that list.

[Sill]

You can Add McVeigh to that list :)

I love the boys , but honestly there is about 8 players that need to go eventually............

[gPhonque]

Disagree on Lonergan. I still think that he could be a great player for us if he can find some consistency. Is tough, goes at the ball hard, and does some great things in tight.... just needs to get more of the ball and improve his disposal and he's halfway there in my opinion. Would like to see him on the ball more. Definitely worth sticking with. :thumbsu:

Welsh? Maybe.... but if we play him purely as a tagger, I still think he can contribute.

The guys I'd be looking at getting rid of (prepare the blow-torches people!) would be the guys who have been on our list (or around the traps) for years and who have simply not delivered anywhere near enough...... like Winderlich, Stanton, Prismall, NLM (as much as I like him, he just goes missing too often for a guy who has been around as long as he has) and Dyson.

Flame away.

[windyhill]

Poor old Quinny, I feel for the boy, and Ireland is a long way to come, but ****ing hell !

[WeAreEssendon]

Add Prismall to the list.

Lonergan - can't play in the middle due to lack of tank and his hands are like butter. Trade or delist.

Welsh - Might have a role as a tagger but probably should be *rested* so a fe kids can get a game.

Quinn - I still can't see why he gets picked ahead of others.

H. Slattery - Can't play him and McVeigh in the same side, heck you probably can't play a backline as pedestrian as tonight. Must get players with athleticism back there. Maybe one dour slow guy but thats it.

[Daytripper]

How the **** was Quinn selected ahead of Dempsey ?????

Can someone please explain.....

[Prog Rocker]

"if quinn plays next week i'll spew up"

[Sill]

Disagree on Lonergan. I still think that he could be a great player for us if he can find some consistency. Is tough, goes at the ball hard, and does some great things in tight.... just needs to get more of the ball and improve his disposal and he's halfway there in my opinion. Would like to see him on the ball more. Definitely worth sticking with. :thumbsu:

Welsh? Maybe.... but if we play him purely as a tagger, I still think he can contribute.

The guys I'd be looking at getting rid of (prepare the blow-torches people!) would be the guys who have been on our list (or around the traps) for years and who have simply not delivered anywhere near enough...... like Winderlich, Stanton, Prismall, NLM (as much as I like him, he just goes missing too often for a guy who has been around as long as he has) and Dyson.

Flame away.

I totally Agree with you , like i said as much as i love the boys and iam sure they give it there all some of these guys just wont take us to the next level.......sometimes you need to give to gain..........

[Prog Rocker]

"IF QUINN PLAYS NEXT WEEK I'LL SPEW UP"......Seriously

[carmi99]

We aren't going anywhere with these guys and playing them any further is a waste of time.

Can anyone seriously tell me that Dempsey, Myers, Houlli and Atkinson aren't better players...........

Surely you shoukd wait until he plays a stinker before you include Welsh in that list?

Ryder aside Welsh was our best player tonight. Blanketed Vince and put his nose over the ball. Got absolutely smashed going back with courage trying to helpout the defenders and then no more than 5 minutes later, when still sore, went back again and did the same thing.

[Longy413]

How the **** was Quinn selected ahead of Dempsey ?????

Can someone please explain.....

Favourtism.

[Prog Rocker]

Being a Coach's pet doesn't win us ****ING GAMES! DOES IT!

[Daytripper]

Favourtism.

Frankly thats not good enough.

Is the 40th best player on our list.

[Longy413]

Is the 40th best player on our list.

That's only because the Bendigo players don't count as part of our list.

Jacob Thompson who I presume was running around at Greenvale and has played a couple of games at Bendigo, has him covered.

[Daytripper]

Disagree on Lonergan. I still think that he could be a great player for us if he can find some consistency. Is tough, goes at the ball hard, and does some great things in tight.... just needs to get more of the ball and improve his disposal and he's halfway there in my opinion. Would like to see him on the ball more. Definitely worth sticking with. :thumbsu:

Welsh? Maybe.... but if we play him purely as a tagger, I still think he can contribute.

The guys I'd be looking at getting rid of (prepare the blow-torches people!) would be the guys who have been on our list (or around the traps) for years and who have simply not delivered anywhere near enough...... like Winderlich, Stanton, Prismall, NLM (as much as I like him, he just goes missing too often for a guy who has been around as long as he has) and Dyson.

Flame away.

So - delist Winderlich, Stanton & NLM and keep Lonergan, Quinn & Welsh.

Thankyou Mr Wallace.

[Sergian]

I actually think Stanton is one of your better ball users. So many times tonight he was running into space, waving his arms, and he was either not noticed or just plain ignored. In a game like that where Adelaide were applying enormous pressure finding a man to hit up in space is invaluable. If I were Stanton I'd be pissed!

[Daytripper]

That's only because the Bendigo players don't count as part of our list.

Jacob Thompson who I presume was running around at Greenvale and has played a couple of games at Bendigo, has him covered.

and a few others.

[Daytripper]

How is Marigliani not a better player than Quinn ?

Explain.....

[Gerrard_to_Torres]

Welsh is a tagger & our best tagger by lengths. He beat Hodge two weeks ago & he is currently equal favourite in the Brownlow. What more do you want? Vince had a very good game last week & he killed us twice last year. Once again, Welsh won his battle tonight. The bloke is VC & is obviously respected by his peers.

Longeran is a good squad player. Strong & hard, it's suprising that he wasn't given a chance in the guts when Winders/Pris were getting brushed aside.

Quinn is still very much a development rookie listed player. His form in the reserves has warranted selection but in hindsight, tonight was not a suitable match.

Slattery should not be in the team at the moment. McVeigh plays this role better & we can only afford one of these types as our game is built around speed (we severely lacked run from our back half tonight). People on here are saying that he played well on Porplyzia tonight, but everyone has played well on Porplyzia this season. Others also hang their hat on the fact that he won his battle against Rioli in round 6, Rioli was clearly not fit in that game. His disposal efficiency appears OK, but his disposal is not good, especially when under pressure. Just doesn't offer enough for mine.

[Daytripper]

5 clangers from 8 possessions including 2 fifty metre penalties.

What - would Dempsey do worse than that ????

[gPhonque]

So - delist Winderlich, Stanton & NLM and keep Lonergan, Quinn & Welsh.

Thankyou Mr Wallace.

I didn't say keep Quinn.

And I said maybe get rid of or maybe keep Welsh. Depends on whether we play him as a tagger (as we should imo) and also, the team around him as well.

But yes - trade Winderlich, Stanton, and NLM. :)

Come on, let's be serious - are those guys ever going to be remembered as great Essendon players? Are they really going to take us to a premiership?

Really?

They're all barely above-average players in a below-average team. They've ALL had plenty of time to develop into very good players and, simply, haven't. It's not that I hate the guys, or have anything against them personally, or think they're not nice blokes, or anything like that.... it's based purely on what they deliver on the football field.... which, honestly, is not much. The only one I'm perhaps being harsh on is Stanton. If we had a better team around him, he could certainly prosper.... but he still needs to improve a hell of a lot.

I notice you didn't include Dyson or Prismall in your reply to me so we obviously agree there. :)

Oh, and sorry but I don't understand the Mr Wallace reference...? ( :confused: ) :)

[Longy413]

How is Marigliani not a better player than Quinn ?

Explain.....

Neither of them are AFL footballers IMO.

Silverlock is the one. Hardingham should be given a crack.



As for Slattery v McVeigh. How anyone can argue Slattery is slower than McVeigh has me buggered. The only thing McVeigh has on Slattery is foot skills and they are letting him down at the moment as well. McVeigh also spends more time on the ground than on his feet.

As for the everyone beating Porplyzia argument, everyone had been beating the most of the Crows players for the year. They dominated the game and we lost most positions. The two positions we did win were Slattery v Porplyzia and Welsh v Vince.

[Daytripper]

Neither of them are AFL footballers IMO.

Silverlock is the one. Hardingham should be given a crack.



As for Slattery v McVeigh. How anyone can argue Slattery is slower than McVeigh has me buggered. The only thing McVeigh has on Slattery is foot skills and they are letting him down at the moment as well. McVeigh also spends more time on the ground than on his feet.

As for the everyone beating Porplyzia argument, everyone had been beating the most of the Crows players for the year. They dominated the game and we lost most positions. The two positions we did win were Slattery v Porplyzia and Welsh v Vince.
You're probably right, Longy.

Just dont think we can have McVeigh, Welsh & Slattery in the same side.

[Gerrard_to_Torres]

Neither of them are AFL footballers IMO.

Silverlock is the one. Hardingham should be given a crack.



As for Slattery v McVeigh. How anyone can argue Slattery is slower than McVeigh has me buggered. The only thing McVeigh has on Slattery is foot skills and they are letting him down at the moment as well. McVeigh also spends more time on the ground than on his feet.

As for the everyone beating Porplyzia argument, everyone had been beating the most of the Crows players for the year. They dominated the game and we lost most positions. The two positions we did win were Slattery v Porplyzia and Welsh v Vince.

Not sure if that is directed at me, but I was suggesting that we can only have one of them in the back 6. We missed a Dempsey/Atkinson type tonight.

[Longy413]

You're probably right, Longy.


Normally the case ;)

Not sure if that is directed at me, but I was suggesting that we can only have one of them in the back 6. We missed a Dempsey/Atkinson type tonight.

Right you are. Apologies.

Don't see Atkinson as a backman though. Dempsey should play for one of them though.

[bipolarbeaR]

Add Atkinson to that list, the kid is a dud.
Houli and Myers should be in over these tools.

[saladodger]

I am not too far off buying a ticket to fly over and Tonya Harding the **** out of Henry and Quinns kneecaps. Then I'll make a quick appearance myself, eats Knights **** and get into his favourites circle, get a guernsey and show the weak dogs currently in the 22 how it is done.

[yaco55]

Neither of them are AFL footballers IMO.

Silverlock is the one. Hardingham should be given a crack.



As for Slattery v McVeigh. How anyone can argue Slattery is slower than McVeigh has me buggered. The only thing McVeigh has on Slattery is foot skills and they are letting him down at the moment as well. McVeigh also spends more time on the ground than on his feet.

As for the everyone beating Porplyzia argument, everyone had been beating the most of the Crows players for the year. They dominated the game and we lost most positions. The two positions we did win were Slattery v Porplyzia and Welsh v Vince.

you are looking at H.Slattery's performance through rose colored glasses - Made shocking decisions in the first half that cost us 2 goals. And was off at half time.

Lonergan played a reasonable game in defence spening time on Johncock who had liited influence. Not sure whether he can stay in the team.

Quinn I mentioned earlier.

Welsh shaded Vince tonight - Can't compain about his last 2 games- Key to Welsh's future is whether we can build up the midfiels

[Longy413]

you are looking at H.Slattery's performance through rose colored glasses - Made shocking decisions in the first half that cost us 2 goals. And was off at half time.

How so?

I think I said earlier I'd get rid of both Slattery and McVeigh.

I didn't say he was good, great or otherwise.
I just said he beat his opponent.

[yaco55]

How so?

I think I said earlier I'd get rid of both Slattery and McVeigh.

I didn't say he was good, great or otherwise.
I just said he beat his opponent.

Longy

At least you are travelling better than Lloydy during the commentary last night - When he wanted McVeigh moved into the midfield so that the forwards could have decent delivery.

[yaco55]

Did H.Slattery break his ribs when Watson pushed him in the chest after Slatts conceded a 50 metre penalty.

[Longy413]

Longy

At least you are travelling better than Lloydy during the commentary last night - When he wanted McVeigh moved into the midfield so that the forwards could have decent delivery.

They're best mates. You won't hear Lloyd say a bad thing about Spike.

Did H.Slattery break his ribs when Watson pushed him in the chest after Slatts conceded a 50 metre penalty.

You know, I was disappointed and played with Henry when he did that.

Disappointed because he went over the top, but pleased that he at least flew the flag and tried to help a young teammate.

[Pweter]

Welsh absolutely has a role to play against slower midfielders. Guys like Ablett and Cooney who are at top speed off 2 steps are no good but against guys like Hodge, Vince, Hayes, Pendlebury he is worth his salt.

Quinn.... how long can we keep an international rookie on the squad? I'd definitely not have him on the primary list unless he plays out the season and does something drastic to prove me wrong. He was woeful Saturday night. Right now I am hoping he doesn't play out the season though.

I am not convinced by Lonergan at all. The first half of last season I thought he was alright but he has not gone on with it. He is a 1 paced midfielder IMO of which we have too many, and by playing him as a flank/pocket we are not getting much out of him.

I am over Slattery. Had a few years to prove his worth and he is treading water. His courage and commitment can not be questioned, I just don't think he's up to it.

[Bomberman86]

Welsh is a tagger & our best tagger by lengths. He beat Hodge two weeks ago & he is currently equal favourite in the Brownlow. What more do you want? Vince had a very good game last week & he killed us twice last year. Once again, Welsh won his battle tonight. The bloke is VC & is obviously respected by his peers.

Longeran is a good squad player. Strong & hard, it's suprising that he wasn't given a chance in the guts when Winders/Pris were getting brushed aside.

Quinn [fail] is still very much a development rookie listed player. His form in the reserves has warranted selection but in hindsight, tonight was not a suitable match.

Slattery should not be in the team at the moment. McVeigh plays this role better & we can only afford one of these types as our game is built around speed (we severely lacked run from our back half tonight). People on here are saying that he played well on Porplyzia tonight, but everyone has played well on Porplyzia this season. Others also hang their hat on the fact that he won his battle against Rioli in round 6, Rioli was clearly not fit in that game. His disposal efficiency appears OK, but his disposal is not good, especially when under pressure. Just doesn't offer enough for mine.

No.. he didnt beat Hodge.. Hodge beat himself through Injury, or did you conveniently forget that part? Fact is, its not that Welsh is particularly bad (I definately dont put him in the same bucket as H Slattery, Stanton etc) but the fact remains that whilst it pains me to say it, we play so much better when hes not in the side.

Slattery should not be in the team at the moment? ARE U INSANE? HE SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER BE IN THE TEAM. God the fact we're even arguing about players like this shows how far away we are..

[jsd09]

Quinn - Complete spud id rather watch a kid from the vafa run around then watch this pathetic irelander in our team.

Lonergan - Def should be kept at the club and in the side has good forward pressure and is hard at it.

H.Slattery - good Back pocket see him as an in and out player between him and Mcveigh.

Welsh - Don't see much room for him slats and mcveigh in the squad they are all so similair and well I believe we only need 1 of them at one time.


How we continue to overlook Bachar Houli i have nfi but I now hope he go's to another club next year and shows how good he really is.

[HurleyLegend]

Quinn - Complete spud id rather watch a kid from the vafa run around then watch this pathetic irelander in our team.

Lonergan - Def should be kept at the club and in the side has good forward pressure and is hard at it.

H.Slattery - good Back pocket see him as an in and out player between him and Mcveigh.

Welsh - Don't see much room for him slats and mcveigh in the squad they are all so similair and well I believe we only need 1 of them at one time.


How we continue to overlook Bachar Houli i have nfi but I know hope he go's to another club next year and shows how good he really is.

Quinn was so disappointing this week. Apparently he has been in the best in the vfl most weeks. Why can't this translate to AFL?

[daffo]

Quinn - Should be dropped but was playing some great footy at Bendigo before the game.
Lonergan - I think he should continue to play in the side. I like seeing him play in the forward line, esp when Monfries is out injured. I know he isn't a lead up type of player but he is a good set shot and is strong man on man for his size.
H Slatts - Played a poor game but is important to the side. When fit, he is in our best 22
Welsh - I think he should of been dropped around a month ago. He can't hit a target by hand. He is not up to it, BUT he will continue to get a game because Knights likes him. He does play a tagging role for us.

[Gerrard_to_Torres]

No.. he didnt beat Hodge.. Hodge beat himself through Injury, or did you conveniently forget that part? Fact is, its not that Welsh is particularly bad (I definately dont put him in the same bucket as H Slattery, Stanton etc) but the fact remains that whilst it pains me to say it, we play so much better when hes not in the side.

Slattery should not be in the team at the moment? ARE U INSANE? HE SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER BE IN THE TEAM. God the fact we're even arguing about players like this shows how far away we are..

He had Hodge under control before he copped his knock anyway. Personally, I don't believe Welsh deserves to be labelled amongst this group of players.

I said Slattery should not be in the side. It's either him or McVeigh, not both. I prefer McVeigh. Slattery does not offer enough in the modern game.

[The Donners]

How the **** was Quinn selected ahead of Dempsey ?????

Can someone please explain.....

Matthew Knights

[TheDon35]

Welsh is one of the few blokes who can at least say he's won his position more often than not. I've been a critic of his for much of his career but at least he's holding his own.

A shocking indightment on the state of affairs that he's one of 2 or 3 that can say they are consistently winning their spot.

I wouldn't be unhappy if H Slattery, NLM, Lonergan & Quinn never played for us again. I don't believe any of them will add anything meaningful to another premiership tilt. I would be wrapped to see the back of Winderlich & Dyson and if trades can be orchestrated then do it.

Time to make some positive decisions.

[yaco55]

They're best mates. You won't hear Lloyd say a bad thing about Spike.



You know, I was disappointed and played with Henry when he did that.

Disappointed because he went over the top, but pleased that he at least flew the flag and tried to help a young teammate.

Watson's reaction was surprising and Henry is no longer a young player.

[yaco55]

No.. he didnt beat Hodge.. Hodge beat himself through Injury, or did you conveniently forget that part? Fact is, its not that Welsh is particularly bad (I definately dont put him in the same bucket as H Slattery, Stanton etc) but the fact remains that whilst it pains me to say it, we play so much better when hes not in the side.

Slattery should not be in the team at the moment? ARE U INSANE? HE SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER BE IN THE TEAM. God the fact we're even arguing about players like this shows how far away we are..

Hodge was injured like he got injured on four separate occasions against the Bulldogs but was still BOG.

Give credit when it is due.

[SDR223]

All those getting stuck in to Quinn should take a trip down to watch Bendigo play. This kid works as hard as anyone on his football and has made a huge improvement on his game. He shows great leadership and his last six or so weeks at Bendigo have forced the selectors to reward him.

I don;t necessarily think they should have especially in a big game against Adelaide when our season is on the line, as he still needs to work on parts of his game.

But those calling for him to go back to Ireland are way off the mark. He has the potential to become a very good player.

[The Donners]

All those getting stuck in to Quinn should take a trip down to watch Bendigo play. This kid works as hard as anyone on his football and has made a huge improvement on his game. He shows great leadership and his last six or so weeks at Bendigo have forced the selectors to reward him.

I don;t necessarily think they should have especially in a big game against Adelaide when our season is on the line, as he still needs to work on parts of his game.

But those calling for him to go back to Ireland are way off the mark. He has the potential to become a very good player.

The Essendon Football Club is not a charity organisation. There's plenty of VFL players who work equally as hard as Quinn and they never get the opportunity at the highest level. Marty Clarke was 10 times better than Quinn and he fell out of favour in his second year and went home.

Argh, I can't be arsed arguing anymore, it's ridiculous.

[Boucks09]

All those getting stuck in to Quinn should take a trip down to watch Bendigo play. This kid works as hard as anyone on his football and has made a huge improvement on his game. He shows great leadership and his last six or so weeks at Bendigo have forced the selectors to reward him.

I don;t necessarily think they should have especially in a big game against Adelaide when our season is on the line, as he still needs to work on parts of his game.

But those calling for him to go back to Ireland are way off the mark. He has the potential to become a very good player.


Great post.

Even Gary Ablett would've struggled playing HFF with the **** that was served up by our midfield on Satruday night. I'll be livid if he is dropped.

The 2 x 50's were bull**** btw.

[HFF_07]

I actually do not know why people are calling for Quinn to not have been selected either..

His form warranted selection in the seniors, although he should have not have played back (?).

Adelaide were struggling? yes? Quinn performing in the reserves? Yes?

Whats wrong with picking him?

Who's to say that we pick Houli V Melbourne, who beats us badly and Houli has a bad game?

Quinn had plenty of mates on Saturday night on the passenger train, lay off the kid who was played horribly out of position..

[HFF_07]

The Essendon Football Club is not a charity organisation. There's plenty of VFL players who work equally as hard as Quinn and they never get the opportunity at the highest level. Marty Clarke was 10 times better than Quinn and he fell out of favour in his second year and went home.

Argh, I can't be arsed arguing anymore, it's ridiculous.

Donners

What do you think of the EFC going after the marketing tool and AFL prospect Greg Inglis out of curiosity?

[SDR223]

The Essendon Football Club is not a charity organisation. There's plenty of VFL players who work equally as hard as Quinn and they never get the opportunity at the highest level. Marty Clarke was 10 times better than Quinn and he fell out of favour in his second year and went home.

Argh, I can't be arsed arguing anymore, it's ridiculous.

How's many games have you seen Bendigo play Donners???

Going by these comments I'd suggest not many.

It's easy to make calls from your armchair.

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Bit harsh on Quinn OP. Like they said On The Couch tonight he is a project player.

The other 3 are ordinary but that's what you have to work with at the moment. I suppose when a couple of young blokes put their hands up and say they're ready, then perhaps Slattery and co. will be traded, dropped or delisted like you want..

[The Donners]

Donners

What do you think of the EFC going after the marketing tool and AFL prospect Greg Inglis out of curiosity?

At least it's for a purpose.

[The Donners]

How's many games have you seen Bendigo play Donners???

Going by these comments I'd suggest not many.

It's easy to make calls from your armchair.

You're making calls from the field?

Shit is shit. He showed nothing last year and he showed nothing on Saturday night. There are actual footballers on our list that would be below AFL standard that I would have in the team ahead of Quinn. I'm a member of the Essendon Football Club, not Bendigo. Would you seriously play Quinn ahead of Dempsey and Myers? Quinn is a hack, he has no place in the AFL.

Aaron Henneman was a project player and he was twice the player Quinn was to begin with.

[Longy413]

Watson's reaction was surprising and Henry is no longer a young player.

Tyson Slattery would be the young player that Henry went to the aid of.

[The House]

Neither of them are AFL footballers IMO.

Silverlock is the one. Hardingham should be given a crack.



As for Slattery v McVeigh. How anyone can argue Slattery is slower than McVeigh has me buggered. The only thing McVeigh has on Slattery is foot skills and they are letting him down at the moment as well. McVeigh also spends more time on the ground than on his feet.

As for the everyone beating Porplyzia argument, everyone had been beating the most of the Crows players for the year. They dominated the game and we lost most positions. The two positions we did win were Slattery v Porplyzia and Welsh v Vince.

I was literally about to reply by saying you are looking at Slattery's performance through rose coloured glasses, but it seems i was beaten to the punch!

He was nothing short of appalling most times he was near the footy and is clearly not even close to being up to this level....costs us badly every time he plays.

The difference between Slattery and McVeigh (in a nutshell) is that McVeigh has a football brain and skills. Probably the 2 most important characteristics a footballer can have.
Slattery doesn't have either....

....there are very few players in the afl that have no footy brain and poor skills, and those that do are usually very athletic players who are developing their game.
I don't think i'm going out on a limb here when i say Slattery is neither athletic nor a development player.

For a bloke that is a lock in our 22, he is without question the worst regular senior player in the afl, and it hurts us on the scoreboard virtually every week he is on the park.

[Bomberman86]

I was literally about to reply by saying you are looking at Slattery's performance through rose coloured glasses, but it seems i was beaten to the punch!

He was nothing short of appalling most times he was near the footy and is clearly not even close to being up to this level....costs us badly every time he plays.

The difference between Slattery and McVeigh (in a nutshell) is that McVeigh has a football brain and skills. Probably the 2 most important characteristics a footballer can have.
Slattery doesn't have either....

....there are very few players in the afl that have no footy brain and poor skills, and those that do are usually very athletic players who are developing their game.
I don't think i'm going out on a limb here when i say Slattery is neither athletic nor a development player.

For a bloke that is a lock in our 22, he is without question the worst regular senior player in the afl, and it hurts us on the scoreboard virtually every week he is on the park.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE ART OF REASON. My god, the amount of supporters on the Essendon board, and even the efc website, who think Henry Slattery is good is actually absurd. He is a terrible user of the footy, hes slow, he gives away a RIDICULOUS amount of free kicks (to prove a point, I told my mate id c the time wen he made his first mistake, 17:47 TO GO in the FIRST QUARTER he gave one away)

[djrossie]

I actually do not know why people are calling for Quinn to not have been selected either..

His form warranted selection in the seniors, although he should have not have played back (?).

Adelaide were struggling? yes? Quinn performing in the reserves? Yes?

Whats wrong with picking him?

Who's to say that we pick Houli V Melbourne, who beats us badly and Houli has a bad game?

Quinn had plenty of mates on Saturday night on the passenger train, lay off the kid who was played horribly out of position..

Agree with this but were Adelaide struggling? I would have thought they are in form as of late and why do we always seem to play them at night when it's all dewy and slippery? Never bodes well for us at Footy Park. Why can't we play them in the day like Melbourne did.:cool:

[The House]

THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE ART OF REASON. My god, the amount of supporters on the Essendon board, and even the efc website, who think Henry Slattery is good is actually absurd. He is a terrible user of the footy, hes slow, he gives away a RIDICULOUS amount of free kicks (to prove a point, I told my mate id c the time wen he made his first mistake, 17:47 TO GO in the FIRST QUARTER he gave one away)

Bomberman, how this bloke gets a game at afl level is genuinely the most perplexing and confusing thing to me in football that i've almost ever seen.

There is no logic whatsoever to relate his performances on the field into him being good enough to be getting a game at ANY afl club.

Unfortunately, if we've learnt one thing about Slattery it's that continued poor performance will not have a bearing on his spot come selection time. And as such, i challenge all readers to do the same exercise bomberman did when he plays and you'll usually find he's made at least a bad error or 3 within the first 5-10mins of most games.
It hurts us as a club and i'm just so sick of it.

[Bomberman86]

It is decisions such as his constant inclusion which make us look MUCH worse than we actually are. Slattery instead of Myers who was taken at Pick 6 and can move into the Midfield?

Quinn instead of Dempsey? Dempsey is inconsistent but hes only really in his 2nd consistent season, and has the tools to be a VERY good player in the future. Quinn has twice embarrassed us nationally.

Mark Williams? No go? I dont care that his form is not up to scratch it CANNOT BE WORSE than some of our current squad, who quite frankly dont deserve to be there. Mark Williams will never perform at VFL level, he finds it hard to find the motivation to perform at AFL level ffs.

Im not going to badmouth Welsh, he bleeds for the red and black but the simple fact is we always play better when hes not in the team. Its no coincidence that our centre line looks stagnant when hes there.
Not to mention the fact that these 5-6 WEEKLY changes mean we will NEVER get any consistency into our side AT ALL.

If I was some of the younger players i.e. Myers etc I would be looking elsewhere. There are countless players on our list who are not given the light of day due to these "shu in" players who must be providing Matthew Knights and the Essendon board with blow to snort given some of their decision making.

[stander]

A shocking indightment on the state of affairs that he's one of 2 or 3 that can say they are consistently winning their spot.

I wouldn't be unhappy if H Slattery, NLM, Lonergan & Quinn never played for us again. I don't believe any of them will add anything meaningful to another premiership tilt. I would be wrapped to see the back of Winderlich & Dyson and if trades can be orchestrated then do it.

Time to make some positive decisions.

Try indictment next time- it's a better read.

I nearly agree with every player you choose to discard.

H Slattery, Quinn, Lonergan, Stanton Winderlich ( the attempt at a 40 metre pass across half back was a defining moment) McVeigh ( his first kick under no presuure missed the target by metres) are holding the club back. NLM is borderline.

[WeAreEssendon]

I actually do not know why people are calling for Quinn to not have been selected either..

His form warranted selection in the seniors, although he should have not have played back (?).

Adelaide were struggling? yes? Quinn performing in the reserves? Yes?

Whats wrong with picking him?

Who's to say that we pick Houli V Melbourne, who beats us badly and Houli has a bad game?

Quinn had plenty of mates on Saturday night on the passenger train, lay off the kid who was played horribly out of position..

If we only went on form in the VFL than our side will be made up with the state of origin VLF team - Flaherty, Shinners, Cloke, etc, etc. We might as well get Pazza to coach.

It's the job of the coaching staff to identify the players that can make an impact at AFL level. Anyone who thinks Quinn can make an impact at AFL level now should be marched out of the club.

Quinn has never been AFL standard and he should be behind the likes of Atkinson, Houli, Hardingham in senior game time. It's criminal that he was selected and as a supporter I'm ropeable to see us play merry go round selections.

Give the kid some more time at VFL and let him learn a bit more and then maybe, just maybe give him a few games when we have a side that is not the youngest in the comp.

[Ben the Gooner]

Agree with the thrust of the OP, but not necessarily the names.

Welsh has been our best player since his return, bar none. He and Watson are pretty much the only players capable of winning first possessions and as bad as that is for the team, it means that Welsh is absolutely vital. I thought he was borderline up until recently, but his contested ability is hugely under-rated here. Kicking is poor, however.

Quinn did alright for a small forward with **** all supply. The 50s were harsh, and he was one of the few players who showed a bit of heart. Lacks polish, sure, but there's something to work with. Should be worked with in the ressies, but from all reports, he warranted selection based on VFL form - hard not to pick anyone who warrants it based on form in the ressies.

Slattery is what he is, and has been for the past 3 or so years - a good ordinary player. Has limitations, but knows them and plays within them. He does his job. Is he a player I can see in a premiership team? Probably not, 21st or 22nd at best. But we have far more pressing and downright concerning issues than Hank.

Lonergan was another who showed a bit on the weekend. I think he's holding a spot until someone (Reimers? M Williams? Dempsey?) replaces him, but I don't think he's found his position yet. He looks a little like Hocking before his move to the HBF - a bit lost. He should go back to Bendigo and be tried in every position he seems capable of playing, to see if he can find a niche. If not, get rid.

Names like Atkinson, Houli and McVeigh should be on that list. None look like they'll be around, or deserve to be around, in 2012, if not 2011.

[Duckworth]

Lonergan was another who showed a bit on the weekend. I think he's holding a spot until someone (Reimers? M Williams? Dempsey?) replaces him, but I don't think he's found his position yet. He looks a little like Hocking before his move to the HBF - a bit lost. He should go back to Bendigo and be tried in every position he seems capable of playing, to see if he can find a niche. If not, get rid.

Good point. Lonergan and Slattery always put in a solid effort, but have their limitations. It's not like anyone else is really putting there hand up as a clear replacement for them.

If we were a premiership team, you'd think they would struggle to be in the team.

[Ben the Gooner]

If we were a premiership team, you'd think they would struggle to be in the team.

Natural progression would suggest that either they'd lift their game to another level (possibly helped by a better team around them) or be out of the team.

We need to focus on getting a midfield and spine which will allow us to be in a position where Slattery or Lonergan are our biggest concerns.

Until then, it's scapegoating.

[Bomberman86]

Good point. Lonergan and Slattery always put in a solid effort, but have their limitations. It's not like anyone else is really putting there hand up as a clear replacement for them.

If we were a premiership team, you'd think they would struggle to be in the team.

Wow.. im biting my tongue as im trying not to insult anybody... BUT COME THE **** ON ARE U SERIOUS!?!? SLATTERY IS A WOEFUL EXCUSE FOR A PATHETIC FOOTBALLER! u want names? ill give u names, based on last weekends game ALONG the below players who did not play:

David Myers
Tayte Silverlock
Courtenay Dempsey

Or even one of:

McVeigh or Hocking in his spot, and recall someone else to take over their roles. Just FOR GOD SAKE ANYBODY IS BETTER THAN HENRY SLATTERY AND ANY ESSENDON SUPPORTER WHO EVEN THINKS FOR ONE SPLIT SECOND THAT HE IS EVEN CLOSE TO AFL STANDARD NEEDS TO STOP PICKING SHROOMS FROM THEIR FRONT YARD!!!!!

[Ben the Gooner]

I find good grammar and an overall sense of reason is a far more effective rhetorical technique than hyperbole and capitalisations.

[Bomberman86]

I find good grammar and an overall sense of reason is a far more effective rhetorical technique than hyperbole and capitalisations.

If you read through my previous posts, you will see that I have simply been pushed to the edge on this occasion. The majority of my posts are constructed accordingly ;)

[Ben the Gooner]

If you read through my previous posts, you will see that I have simply been pushed to the edge on this occasion. The majority of my posts are constructed accordingly ;)

To put it more bluntly, I don't know whether I agree with you or not because I didn't read your post. It hurts my eyes.

[Bomberman86]

To put it more bluntly, I don't know whether I agree with you or not because I didn't read your post. It hurts my eyes.

Im going to tread carefully on this one. To let you know, though, sinse we're sucking our own di*ks and showing off how clever we are, Im a double degree holder currently doing post graduate work. So please dont patronize me.

I think I remember seeing some of your previous posts and, from memory, youre one of the constant defenders of the useless pri*k which is Henry Slattery. Is this why you came out with the attempt to destabilize my credibility by commenting on my lack of grammar & font technique?

[Ben the Gooner]

Im going to tread carefully on this one. To let you know, though, sinse we're sucking our own di*ks and showing off how clever we are, Im a double degree holder currently doing post graduate work. So please dont patronize me.

I think I remember seeing some of your previous posts and, from memory, youre one of the constant defenders of the useless pri*k which is Henry Slattery. Is this why you came out with the attempt to destabilize my credibility by commenting on my lack of grammar & font technique?

I think you've missed my point.

I don't care whether you dropped out of school in year 7 or you're Steven Hawking. I just think if you're going to take the time to discuss something we all are passionate about, you might as well make yourself easily understood.

I wasn't trying to pump my own tyres up, or anything like that.

FWIW, read my post in this thread re Slattery.

[Duckworth]

Im going to tread carefully on this one. To let you know, though, sinse we're sucking our own di*ks and showing off how clever we are, Im a double degree holder currently doing post graduate work.

Art degrees don't count buddy ;)


Wow.. im biting my tongue as im trying not to insult anybody... BUT COME THE **** ON ARE U SERIOUS!?!? SLATTERY IS A WOEFUL EXCUSE FOR A PATHETIC FOOTBALLER! u want names? ill give u names, based on last weekends game ALONG the below players who did not play:

David Myers
Tayte Silverlock
Courtenay Dempsey

Or even one of:

McVeigh or Hocking in his spot, and recall someone else to take over their roles. Just FOR GOD SAKE ANYBODY IS BETTER THAN HENRY SLATTERY AND ANY ESSENDON SUPPORTER WHO EVEN THINKS FOR ONE SPLIT SECOND THAT HE IS EVEN CLOSE TO AFL STANDARD NEEDS TO STOP PICKING SHROOMS FROM THEIR FRONT YARD!!!!!

Did you even read what I wrote? Did you just read the name 'Henry Slattery' and start over reacting because I didn't write that he should be sacked immediately after it.

Slattery is no superstar. He does put in an effort every week to take one opponent out of the game. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that in time I think he will be replaced.

[Firebat]

I like Lonergan... what's his best position?

Quinn is useless. The kid doesn't understand the game at all... out of his depth.

Does Knights have a beef with Dempsey?

[Bomberman86]

I think you've missed my point.

I don't care whether you dropped out of school in year 7 or you're Steven Hawking. I just think if you're going to take the time to discuss something we all are passionate about, you might as well make yourself easily understood.

I wasn't trying to pump my own tyres up, or anything like that.

FWIW, read my post in this thread re Slattery.

Noted. I definately did not come out to start a fight with you mods lol.

[Ben the Gooner]

Noted. I definately did not come out to start a fight with you mods lol.

Don't think my opinion is any more valid just because I'm a mod.

I just get to ban Hawthorn and Carlton flogs.:)

[Bomberman86]

Art degrees don't count buddy ;)




Did you even read what I wrote? Did you just read the name 'Henry Slattery' and start over reacting because I didn't write that he should be sacked immediately after it.

Slattery is no superstar. He does put in an effort every week to take one opponent out of the game. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that in time I think he will be replaced.

Ok ive tried posting 4 times and for some reason multi post makes my work computer jump onto Collins Street. So ill do it in one. Yes, one is an arts degree, you got me =(

Two. Youre right, I did just read the name and go off, because I see anything other than demanding his immediate removal as an act of treason against our great club.

Three. If he is not the first player replaced then I have no faith in our once great club.

[Bomberman86]

Don't think my opinion is any more valid just because I'm a mod.

I just get to ban Hawthorn and Carlton flogs.:)

Yeah and unfortunately last time I had a difference of opinion with a Hawthorn mod, he Yellow carded then Red carded me for questioning an exceptionally trivial matter :cool:

Id luv to be able to ban a couple of the Hawthorn wan*ers though. Biggest trolls who are PATHETICALLY obsessed with Essendon. Its almost like Essendon are the ex husband who needs to get a restraining order over their obsessed ex wife =S

[Ben the Gooner]

We have bigger fish to fry (Carlton and Collingwood).

Don't ever tell a Hawthorn fan that it's "just another game" though. They don't take it very well.:p

[Duckworth]

Ok ive tried posting 4 times and for some reason multi post makes my work computer jump onto Collins Street. So ill do it in one. Yes, one is an arts degree, you got me =(

Two. Youre right, I did just read the name and go off, because I see anything other than demanding his immediate removal as an act of treason against our great club.

Three. If he is not the first player replaced then I have no faith in our once great club.

Well he has injured his ribs this week (possibly from Jobe pushing him) so won't be in the team. On the plus side we'll get to see another player in the lock down role.

[Bomberman86]

Its true, Hawthorn are kind of the drunk uncle at a BBQ, you know theyre there, but you avoid conversation out of necessity. If they realize youre listening, theyll ear bash you for an hour about how much they hate "Essen-scum" etc etc.. and the more they do it, the more loved by them you feel ;)

We never have any trouble serving up some Deep Fried Carlton. Its the maggies that we sit on the fence with =S And lately, been completely decimated by lol

[Bomberman86]

Well he has injured his ribs this week (possibly from Jobe pushing him) so won't be in the team. On the plus side we'll get to see another player in the lock down role.

Praise be to Jobe.

[The House]

Ben The Gooner - this is where i strongly disagree....in terms of who we select in our side, i do not think we have bigger issues than to pick, or not pick Henry Slattery.
He plain and simply costs us far more than any player, and is nothing short of a liability to this side.

Ben & Duckworth (and a couple of others) - I simply cannot understand comments along the lines of "he does his job" or "he beats his opponents most weeks".....No he doesn't, and i can't understand how you would think it.

He RARELY beats his opponent, and consistantly makes mistakes, turns it over, puts his team mates under pressure and makes poor decisions/misreads the ball so ball so badly that it results in an opposition scoring opportunity.

The only thing he does well is try hard, but at the end of the day, who cares?
Give me 80 afl games and i guarantee you i'll try hard, and i could say the same for probably over 50 players i know...problem is despite this none of us are good enough for afl standard, and neither is Hank in any way shape or form.

Re the other 3, Welsh i think provides great value as a tagger, and also as a lock down defender. That is all but he deserves his spot.

Quinn had a shocker but vfl form has been good and is clearly improving, therefore would be happy to keep him on the list for 1 more season. But he's gotta be dropped for better players for now.

Lonergan i have been a huge rap for as he has a good footy brain and overall used the ball fairly well....until about 8 weeks ago.
He was in my hypothetical best 22 with everyone available earlier this year, however seems to have lost his way a bit.
Possibly drop him back to the 2's and let him get a stack of touches and bring him back when appropriate.

[Bomberman86]

Ben The Gooner - this is where i strongly disagree....in terms of who we select in our side, i do not think we have bigger issues than to pick, or not pick Henry Slattery.
He plain and simply costs us far more than any player, and is nothing short of a liability to this side.

Ben & Duckworth (and a couple of others) - I simply cannot understand comments along the lines of "he does his job" or "he beats his opponents most weeks".....No he doesn't, and i can't understand how you would think it.

He RARELY beats his opponent, and consistantly makes mistakes, turns it over, puts his team mates under pressure and makes poor decisions/misreads the ball so ball so badly that it results in an opposition scoring opportunity.

The only thing he does well is try hard, but at the end of the day, who cares?
Give me 80 afl games and i guarantee you i'll try hard, and i could say the same for probably over 50 players i know...problem is despite this none of us are good enough for afl standard, and neither is Hank in any way shape or form.

Re the other 3, Welsh i think provides great value as a tagger, and also as a lock down defender. That is all but he deserves his spot.

Quinn had a shocker but vfl form has been good and is clearly improving, therefore would be happy to keep him on the list for 1 more season. But he's gotta be dropped for better players for now.

Lonergan i have been a huge rap for as he has a good footy brain and overall used the ball fairly well....until about 8 weeks ago.
He was in my hypothetical best 22 with everyone available earlier this year, however seems to have lost his way a bit.
Possibly drop him back to the 2's and let him get a stack of touches and bring him back when appropriate.

Not that I need to add my 2 cents, but youre right, there is no more costly player than him in our squad. His lack of football brains, skills, awareness are just a blight on our team at the moment. The gravity of which his decisions affect us are right there every Friday or Saturday night when he trots onto the field like a headless chook.

[Pocket_Pears]

When opposition supporters and neutrals constantly ask "How does that spud Slattery get a game every week?" then its pretty obvious that he doesn't belong in the side.

There is no other player in the Essendon side that is questioned in this way by both Essendon and non-Essendon supporters alike.

GET RID OF HIM!

[Ben the Gooner]

Ben The Gooner - this is where i strongly disagree....in terms of who we select in our side, i do not think we have bigger issues than to pick, or not pick Henry Slattery.
He plain and simply costs us far more than any player, and is nothing short of a liability to this side.

I don't want to get into the whole circle jerk that other thread became again, but I will ask you this: is the problem the backline which concedes the goals or the midfield which concedes so many goalscoring opportunities?

If I was given the option of improving our midfield's defensive abilities, or replacing Slattery with any equivalent in the competition, it'd be the former in a heartbeat.

When opposition supporters and neutrals constantly ask "How does that spud Slattery get a game every week?" then its pretty obvious that he doesn't belong in the side.

There is no other player in the Essendon side that is questioned in this way by both Essendon and non-Essendon supporters alike.

GET RID OF HIM!

Take this or leave it, I don't care.

I can categorically tell you that he is very highly rated by other clubs' coaches, and Essendon have been offered trades for him.

[The House]

I don't want to get into the whole circle jerk that other thread became again, but I will ask you this: is the problem the backline which concedes the goals or the midfield which concedes so many goalscoring opportunities?

If I was given the option of improving our midfield's defensive abilities, or replacing Slattery with any equivalent in the competition, it'd be the former in a heartbeat.



Take this or leave it, I don't care.

I can categorically tell you that he is very highly rated by other clubs' coaches, and Essendon have been offered trades for him.


to answer your question, the reality is both the midfield and the backline need improvement...yet the backline's problems can be improved significantly with just one obvious change....simply drop this one player who is their weakest link, and a huge liability, and you instantly have an improvement.

you mention that you'd address some of the problems in our midfield first, and it's perfectly valid. however i'm not suggesting we replace slattery with an equivalent, i'm suggesting that we replace him with a far superior option, i.e. a player who actually has a football brain, has skills, and is actually up to afl standard.

nevertheless the problems shouldn't need to be resolved one at a time.

when fit our back 6 is pretty decent providing they don't have henry slattery back there.
for those who had any doubts i think this has clearly been demonstrated this year when you watch the games he played v's the games he missed..

the midfield is a much more complex set of issues and also should be rectified, and if there was one stand out problem that could be easily fixed and significantly improve the entire midfield in one fowl swoop then i'd be all for that too.


ps, curious to know exactly when these supposed trades where offered for slatts, and what exactly was an opposition coach going to give for him. my mind boggles at what any responsible coach could possibly offer for slatts [i'm going to go out on a limb and tip it was freo btw:D]

[Ben the Gooner]

Like I said, I'm not getting into a long debate with you about Slattery, because neither of us are going to change our minds because of the other.

What I will say is that no player in the competition is so bad that dropping them would make the huge changes that you imply.

You talk about one player as being the major problem in the team. I talk about a poor mindset from a large number of players. That is far more concerning to me.

I take your point about not needing to replace problems one by one, but my response (although you disagree) is that there's no one on our list who's better suited than Slatts at that position at this stage.

Regarding the trade, I'm sorry, but I was told that in confidence.

[Duckworth]

There are many on here that scapegoat players and coaches too easily.

The poor mindset of the players can be overcome. A few wins can build some confidence. A lot can turn around very quickly - if you use Richmond as an example. Those wins look hard to come by though, ATM.

[Longy413]

I was literally about to reply by saying you are looking at Slattery's performance through rose coloured glasses, but it seems i was beaten to the punch!

I actually think the glasses are on your face, in both your attempt to discredit myself and Henry Slattery.

I didn't say he was good, great or anything.
You seem to be another one that has missed that I said I'd have him out of the side.

I said he beat Porplyzia, he did.

I didn't say that was enough to get him a game, or give him Brownlow votes. Just that he beat his opponent early and he did. Your bias prevents you from seeing that.

I've said a number of times now I'd give that position to Hardingham. Not sure why you choose to ignore that.

[yaco55]

I actually think the glasses are on your face, in both your attempt to discredit myself and Henry Slattery.

I didn't say he was good, great or anything.
You seem to be another one that has missed that I said I'd have him out of the side.

I said he beat Porplyzia, he did.

I didn't say that was enough to get him a game, or give him Brownlow votes. Just that he beat his opponent early and he did. Your bias prevents you from seeing that.

I've said a number of times now I'd give that position to Hardingham. Not sure why you choose to ignore that.

Longy

Were we watching different games.

You state that Slattery beat Porpylzia early - but Porps played the first quarter in the midfield and Slattery played in defence.

It looked like slattery played on Porpylzia in the second quarter.

[The House]

Like I said, I'm not getting into a long debate with you about Slattery, because neither of us are going to change our minds because of the other.

What I will say is that no player in the competition is so bad that dropping them would make the huge changes that you imply.

You talk about one player as being the major problem in the team. I talk about a poor mindset from a large number of players. That is far more concerning to me.

I take your point about not needing to replace problems one by one, but my response (although you disagree) is that there's no one on our list who's better suited than Slatts at that position at this stage.

Regarding the trade, I'm sorry, but I was told that in confidence.


To clarify, i'm not saying Slattery is the major problem with the team, i'm saying he is a liability and the biggest problem in regards to selection.

I'm sure if we had 22 blokes playing with the passion i saw from the boys in yellow and black on the weekend we'd win more than we lose, however i'm also sure that with Slattery there we're a few goals behind the 8 ball and therefore would drop a couple of those games due partly to his inability to handle afl footy.

I would say he's worth on average negative 3 or 4 goals in any given game....of course you can still win with that handicap, but it makes it harder.

And as discussed, i think we have several options that would do his job with more competance.

But to me, a lack of consistant passion is our biggest issue.

[The House]

I actually think the glasses are on your face, in both your attempt to discredit myself and Henry Slattery.

I didn't say he was good, great or anything.
You seem to be another one that has missed that I said I'd have him out of the side.

I said he beat Porplyzia, he did.

I didn't say that was enough to get him a game, or give him Brownlow votes. Just that he beat his opponent early and he did. Your bias prevents you from seeing that.

I've said a number of times now I'd give that position to Hardingham. Not sure why you choose to ignore that.

Apologies if i've missed your point.

Although i also think you're drawing quite the long bow to say Slattery beat Porpus, because he simply didn't.

[Ben the Gooner]

To clarify, i'm not saying Slattery is the major problem with the team, i'm saying he is a liability and the biggest problem in regards to selection.

That's more reasonable. I disagree with you, but I can understand where you're coming from.

I'm sure if we had 22 blokes playing with the passion i saw from the boys in yellow and black on the weekend we'd win more than we lose, however i'm also sure that with Slattery there we're a few goals behind the 8 ball and therefore would drop a couple of those games due partly to his inability to handle afl footy.

I would say he's worth on average negative 3 or 4 goals in any given game....of course you can still win with that handicap, but it makes it harder.

And as discussed, i think we have several options that would do his job with more competance.

I think this is hyperbolic, but I'm not going to get into it again.

But to me, a lack of consistant passion is our biggest issue.

Agreed. Blokes who give a **** are able to run back and stop the opposition's spread. Skill errors are forgiveable. Lack of effort isn't.

[yaco55]

That's more reasonable. I disagree with you, but I can understand where you're coming from.



I think this is hyperbolic, but I'm not going to get into it again.



Agreed. Blokes who give a **** are able to run back and stop the opposition's spread. Skill errors are forgiveable. Lack of effort isn't.

Ben

Skill errors/decision making are unforgiveable when they come from senior players such as Ryder, prismall, H.Slattery, Watson, Winderlich etc.

[Longy413]

Longy

Were we watching different games.

You state that Slattery beat Porpylzia early - but Porps played the first quarter in the midfield and Slattery played in defence.

It looked like slattery played on Porpylzia in the second quarter.

Not sure how we're disagreeing to be honest.
Porplyzia spent time forward in the first quarter, as well as midfield.
Played mostly forward in the second.

Hardly had a kick and didnt impact the scoreboard.

Although i also think you're drawing quite the long bow to say Slattery beat Porpus, because he simply didn't.

It's an accurate bow.

[yaco55]

Not sure how we're disagreeing to be honest.
Porplyzia spent time forward in the first quarter, as well as midfield.
Played mostly forward in the second.

Hardly had a kick and didnt impact the scoreboard.



It's an accurate bow.

I suppose what I am saying is that Slattery only played a half - with part of that time marking porpylzia and that Slatts gave away a silly free kick and a needless 50 metre penalty.

Like most of the senior players he made poor decisions - That was the most disappointing aspect of the night.

[The House]

Not sure how we're disagreeing to be honest.
Porplyzia spent time forward in the first quarter, as well as midfield.
Played mostly forward in the second.

Hardly had a kick and didnt impact the scoreboard.



It's an accurate bow.

When you describe keeping an opponent who's coming back from injury and hardly had a kick in weeks quiet for about half an hour as beating him, this is what i mean when i say you are looking at the situation with rose coloured glasses.

It would hope you'd afford other defenders/options for bp the same generosity when comparing them to hank....

[Ben the Gooner]

When you describe keeping an opponent who's coming back from injury and hardly had a kick in weeks quiet for about half an hour as beating him, this is what i mean when i say you are looking at the situation with rose coloured glasses.

It would hope you'd afford other defenders/options for bp the same generosity when comparing them to hank....

You're being harsh here. Players can only beat who they're up against. Slattery did a good job from a defensive point of view. His problem was some of his disposals, decisions and that 50 metre penalty brought what could have been a good game down to a poor one.

He certainly wasn't alone in that regard, and there were plenty worse than him.

[Longy413]

When you describe keeping an opponent who's coming back from injury and hardly had a kick in weeks quiet for about half an hour as beating him, this is what i mean when i say you are looking at the situation with rose coloured glasses.

By saying that a bloke didn't play well enough to warrant a place in the side but one-on-one beat his opponent?

What the **** are you talking about?

I suspect you're just looking for any excuse to pot the bloke, which is disappointing.

[ManWithNoName]

Of these four, only one is in my best 22. H Slattery.

[yaco55]

You're being harsh here. Players can only beat who they're up against. Slattery did a good job from a defensive point of view. His problem was some of his disposals, decisions and that 50 metre penalty brought what could have been a good game down to a poor one.

He certainly wasn't alone in that regard, and there were plenty worse than him.

Ben

This debate is going nowhere - H.Slattery only played half a game - And as you mentioned his disposals and decisions were disappointing.

He was definitely on the neagtive side of the ledger for that half - What the second half would have brought - Who Knows !