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IAmAJedi
14 Jul 2010, 08:53
Caroline Wilsons article in the age.
If true, were ****ed
DVD Player
14 Jul 2010, 08:55
Didn't say much, just something about why Quinn was in and Houli wasn't.
Knights will still be there until the end of next year, unless we go 0-11 through 2012.
IAmAJedi
14 Jul 2010, 08:57
It said a lot, it means there is a player revolt of sorts
centurion
14 Jul 2010, 09:03
Don't believe everything you read jedi..
Tailypo
14 Jul 2010, 09:07
It was based upon that 'honesty session'. You know, the one that happened a couple of weeks ago..
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 09:11
Caroline Wilson also said Boak had signed with the GC, and was a certainty to come to Essendon. The mole is just stirring shit.
rolandproducts
14 Jul 2010, 09:15
"Given he (Houli) was Bendigo's best several days ago, he must surely win selection this week."
She's having a lend, surely. The game v Port Melbourne was live on ABC and Houli struggled; one clanger, across half back, that resulted in a Port Melbourne goal was particularly telling.
I think the speculation about Houli is justified to an extent, but you don't need to make up best-on stories in order to suggest he hasn't been given much of a run this year.
Houli was NOT in bendigo's best IMO. He was great around 4-8 weeks ago but has been out of form the last three weeks.
Link to the article
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-players-confront-coach-20100713-109hq.html
Towno78
14 Jul 2010, 09:29
Certainly she lost all credibility (if she had any to begin with) with her comment about Bachar being BOG for Bendigo on the weekend, which in no way could he have been construed as being. But the problem is, the article is for the masses not for Essendon supporters who know better.
Houli hasn't played well for Bendigo after being in the best for about 6 weeks in a row and not even getting a sniff at senior selection. said at start of season that knights won't play him and knights has stuck to his stupid position. its a shame as we desperately need some quality midfielders. Houli is already looking for a new home and we will see him get a go (and imho rip it up) in other colours next year.
put this on knights list of all time biggest stuff ups (and its a pretty long list).
quinn is not ready for AFL footy. as evidenced by is 0 pt supercoach effort...
knights playing faves is a well known fact and is ripping our proud club apart. Said it all year and will keep saying it.. until we get rid of knights no amount of "honesty" sessions will solve our problems. the guy is a dud.
Yeah, bit of a nothing article.
I don't mind Carro though, believe it or not.
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 10:03
Yeah, bit of a nothing article.
I don't mind Carro though, believe it or not.
u mad:eek:
Well she's better than Sheahan, Hutchy, Walls, Smith, Ralph, Robinson.
Donakebab
14 Jul 2010, 10:19
Certainly she lost all credibility (if she had any to begin with) with her comment about Bachar being BOG for Bendigo on the weekend, which in no way could he have been construed as being. But the problem is, the article is for the masses not for Essendon supporters who know better.
Yeah that skyball was lulz.
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 10:29
Well she's better than Sheahan, Hutchy, Walls, Smith, Ralph, Robinson.
In what way? All she does is make shit up and gets paid for it. In her entire journalistic career she has never written about a match of football. For a sports writer this is astounding and just glorifies the fact she is a trash journalist who feeds off the private lives of others.
Seriously, all she does is try to dig dirt on all clubs and players. That is for a trash rag like New Idea, not for a head sports writer of The Age.
Her, Hutchy and all the other bottom feeders think of themselves as stars because of the shit they write. They are all scum.
They are all scum.Agreed.
Granted I've probably read less than 20 of her articles, and they're more often than not 'nothing' articles, but I'd rather read them than Robinson's latest 'Bombers Bashing' article, or Sheahan's latest piece of brilliance - "Chris Judd is a star" (5 years after he won a Brownlow). The guy is an absolute muppet; Captain Obvious of the highest order.
I get absolutely no stimulation from reading his - or any of the other people listed - articles.
I think I also prefer Carro because she seems like a decent person on Footy Classified (yes I watch it; I don't have Foxtel, sadly). By contrast, Hutchy would have to be one of the seediest guys I've ever laid eyes on.
The Big League
14 Jul 2010, 10:46
I don't know how much to read into that, however good work by Jobe in trying to settle the lads down if the story is true.
In regards to Houli, i've only seen him play a couple of times, but he certainly seems good enough. Looks as though he might move on at the end of the year, it'll be interesting to se where he goes.
Anyway, I don't like seeing Essendon struggling, your team is good for the competition. Carlton on the other hand :D ...
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 10:54
Agreed.
Granted I've probably read less than 20 of her articles, and they're more often than not 'nothing' articles, but I'd rather read them than Robinson's latest 'Bombers Bashing' article, or Sheahan's latest piece of brilliance - "Chris Judd is a star" (5 years after he won a Brownlow). The guy is an absolute muppet; Captain Obvious of the highest order.
I get absolutely no stimulation from reading his - or any of the other people listed - articles.
I think I also prefer Carro because she seems like a decent person on Footy Classified (yes I watch it; I don't have Foxtel, sadly). By contrast, Hutchy would have to be one of the seediest guys I've ever laid eyes on.
Hutchy is a dog, even I'd agree he treats Carro badly on FC. I think he does this because
a) he's small minded and probably feels big talking down to a women
b) Thinks people will like him more as he assumes everyone hates Carro
He is much worse than Carro, but this doesn't mean I like Carro. I'm sure if I sat down with her she'd know quite a bit about football, it's just sad she chooses to go down the trash path.
Emma Quayle for example is a top notch journalist, she knows her stuff, does her research and doesn't resort to trash to fill her quota.
Sam Lane sadly seems to be following Carro's path.
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 11:01
Well she's better than Sheahan, Hutchy, Walls, Smith, Ralph, Robinson.
I dont distinguish between different types of scum. Theyre all still scum.
quinn is not ready for AFL footy. as evidenced by is 0 pt supercoach effort...
...
[Knights] is a dud.
LMAO. With a statement like that, you, sir, are a dud of the highest proportion.
Fantasy score is NOT 'evidence'. Of anything. Except Fantasy Scores.
Hutchy is a dog, even I'd agree he treats Carro badly on FC. I think he does this because
a) he's small minded and probably feels big talking down to a women
b) Thinks people will like him more as he assumes everyone hates Carro
He is much worse than Carro, but this doesn't mean I like Carro. I'm sure if I sat down with her she'd know quite a bit about football, it's just sad she chooses to go down the trash path.
Emma Quayle for example is a top notch journalist, she knows her stuff, does her research and doesn't resort to trash to fill her quota.
Sam Lane sadly seems to be following Carro's path.Yeah Emma Quayle is a great journalist; she's the only other example I could think of, but simply don't put her into that rubbish category. I need to start reading her articles more; I only really read ones (in any paper) that people either link to or tell me about.
Sam Lane should never have been allowed into the football media industry. Period.
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 11:13
Houli was NOT in bendigo's best IMO. He was great around 4-8 weeks ago but has been out of form the last three weeks.
Link to the article
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-players-confront-coach-20100713-109hq.html
Probably got sick of performing week in week out for no reward. We'll see the back of Houli, Myers & probably more within the next 12 months. Just ****ing fantastic.
strategy
14 Jul 2010, 11:15
Her article lacked quotes from people and their names, though it would not surprise me if something has been said to all concerned .
When players are in form to play at the top and they dont get picked and can see other/s in the team that are not performing and are still picked , they lose heart and become disinterested.
need i say anymore .
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 11:16
LMAO. With a statement like that, you, sir, are a dud of the highest proportion.
Fantasy score is NOT 'evidence'. Of anything. Except Fantasy Scores.
Yeah, ironically this time his Zero in supercoach probably flatters his performance
bacon buster
14 Jul 2010, 11:33
even if it's true, i'm not sure why it's even an issue?
pretty sure players 'confronting' the coach happens at every club, every week, successful, or unsuccessful.
she's just used emotive language to make it seem more than it is.
captain peanut
14 Jul 2010, 11:35
Probably got sick of performing week in week out for no reward. We'll see the back of Houli, Myers & probably more within the next 12 months. Just ****ing fantastic.
the rumour mill has coll and bulldogs circling houli already. i obviously wouldn't have seen as much of him as some of you guys but from what i have seen i cannot believe he is not playing senior footy on a regular basis at a struggling club. so he might have a few aspects of his game to work on. which young player hasn't? but surely there is more upside to playing and developing a young bloke him than playing the likes of lovett murray week in week out
i'd be very happy for the pies to receive the dish off during this year's trade period
UpTheGuts
14 Jul 2010, 11:44
With respect, when Sheeds was booted she had a word for word transcript of what was said in the papers inside 36 hours. Her sources are pretty darn good. As for Boak, well the coach just left so maybe that had something to do with it.
The concerning thing about this explosive report, if it is accurate, is not so much what occurred in the meeting, but that what transpired has been leaked from the inner sanctum
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 11:59
the rumour mill has coll and bulldogs circling houli already. i obviously wouldn't have seen as much of him as some of you guys but from what i have seen i cannot believe he is not playing senior footy on a regular basis at a struggling club. so he might have a few aspects of his game to work on. which young player hasn't? but surely there is more upside to playing and developing a young bloke him than playing the likes of lovett murray week in week out
i'd be very happy for the pies to receive the dish off during this year's trade period
Its not so much Lovett Murray (who actually has improved and gets an unfair wrap sometimes). Like I say to most other supporters: You dont have to have seen him any more than once to know hes better than the automatic selection which is Henry Slattery & Andrew Welsh :thumbsd:
TeamHurley
14 Jul 2010, 12:19
With respect, when Sheeds was booted she had a word for word transcript of what was said in the papers inside 36 hours. Her sources are pretty darn good. As for Boak, well the coach just left so maybe that had something to do with it.
The concerning thing about this explosive report, if it is accurate, is not so much what occurred in the meeting, but that what transpired has been leaked from the inner sanctum
UTG you are talking out of your inner sanctum if you think Caro is a decent journalist who bases her articles on facts.
Probably got sick of performing week in week out for no reward. We'll see the back of Houli, Myers & probably more within the next 12 months. Just ****ing fantastic.
So true... what motivation could Houli have after not being chosen for a game after being in the best for Bendigo many weeks in a row.
Hutchy is a dog, even I'd agree he treats Carro badly on FC. I think he does this because
a) he's small minded and probably feels big talking down to a women
b) Thinks people will like him more as he assumes everyone hates Carro
He is much worse than Carro, but this doesn't mean I like Carro. I'm sure if I sat down with her she'd know quite a bit about football, it's just sad she chooses to go down the trash path.
Emma Quayle for example is a top notch journalist, she knows her stuff, does her research and doesn't resort to trash to fill her quota.
Sam Lane sadly seems to be following Carro's path.
quoted for truth :thumbsu:
Speaking of Carro - what would her farts smell like do you think??
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 14:27
Speaking of Carro - what would her farts smell like do you think??
feminism :)
forbess
14 Jul 2010, 14:38
The clock is ticking- Williams to Essendon- You know its true.....
centurion
14 Jul 2010, 14:57
Speaking of Carro - what would her farts smell like do you think??
feminism :)
Germaine Greer :):thumbsu:
What an odd line of conversation :confused:
yodellinhank
14 Jul 2010, 15:05
This is mischievous journalism at its worst. The Meeting was facilitated by leading teams. How many times have I read on this forum that we need to have a review, like the one Geelong did? Well guess who facilitated the Geelong "review"? Leading Teams.
I believe the leading teams meetings are run in a fashion that encourages brutal honesty and constructive criticism. In other words, confronting the problems rather than stewing away internally about them.
Bomber players confront coach
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-players-confront-coach-20100713-109hq.html
So where does all this leave one of the AFL's longest contracted and yet seemingly most insecure coaches on the eve of round 16 and, in a sense, a fixture against the worst of all possible options - bottom team West Coast?
I don't know Caroline. Perhaps the same place Mark Thompson was in after he was "confronted" at a meeting in 2006, when all around Geelong was the talk of a board takeover in order to usurp the coach?
Knights then aired his frustration upon the media, which he accused of laziness in throwing up ill-researched stories without basis. He was never going to win that one and several in power at Essendon are understood to have told him so.http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-players-confront-coach-20100713-109hq.html
Oh I get it. This article is sour grapes on behalf of the journalists' union.
Very, very poor form from Wilson.
HyperAgressiveDonk
14 Jul 2010, 15:20
Caroline Wilson is a liar and her articles are perfect examples of gutter journalism. She often quotes opinion as fact and always seems to leave out relevant facts in her articles
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 15:41
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?t=o&nid=7634
Who would have thought Carro would write an article without fact:rolleyes:
TeamHurley
14 Jul 2010, 16:20
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?t=o&nid=7634
Who would have thought Carro would write an article without fact:rolleyes:
I don't know how she sleeps at night.
Bomberman86
14 Jul 2010, 16:28
I don't know how she sleeps at night.
Dunno, but I know shes in need of a good old stiffy when she dus - Whos willing to take one for the team?? :rolleyes:
TeamHurley
14 Jul 2010, 16:37
Dunno, but I know shes in need of a good old stiffy when she dus - Whos willing to take one for the team?? :rolleyes:
I heard she has a stiffy.
UpTheGuts
14 Jul 2010, 16:41
UTG you are talking out of your inner sanctum if you think Caro is a decent journalist who bases her articles on facts.
I repeat - she had a word for word transcript of the Sheedy/ Horsborough discussion in the paper that week. There were only 2 in the room, yet her sources are decent to exceptional. In that case, it was Sheeds
Ditto the Didak/ Shaw confession...
Not about to take her tips on footy as gospel, but off field she is as good as any, and generally better
whats_at_stake
14 Jul 2010, 16:50
Well either Caro is wrong or the club is wrong- who knows. Just start performing on the field now.
Cheapies
14 Jul 2010, 16:51
A bit off topic and i didnt want to make a thread out of it but there is no appropriate place for me to display my disgust at how the AFL can fine matthew Knights for glaring and shaking his head at the umpires!
also fining the club for knights commenting on the amount of 50's that were paid. ....could anything else go wrong.
DapperDon
14 Jul 2010, 16:58
A bit off topic and i didnt want to make a thread out of it but there is no appropriate place for me to display my disgust at how the AFL can fine matthew Knights for glaring and shaking his head at the umpires!
also fining the club for knights commenting on the amount of 50's that were paid. ....could anything else go wrong.
That's what happens in a dictatorship.
ZIG HAIL!
whats_at_stake
14 Jul 2010, 17:04
A bit off topic and i didnt want to make a thread out of it but there is no appropriate place for me to display my disgust at how the AFL can fine matthew Knights for glaring and shaking his head at the umpires!
also fining the club for knights commenting on the amount of 50's that were paid. ....could anything else go wrong.
Firstly suspended fine. Secondly I have no issue with Knights being fined for his stare- should never have done it and looks poor. The fine for commenting on the 50's is ridiculous. I think you should show restraint during the game and post game say what you want.
Another below average article IMO.
And Houli going to another club certainly doesn't gaurantee he'll turn into a gun, maybe he can join Carlton and their one-way running midfield.
And Houli going to another club certainly doesn't gaurantee he'll turn into a gun, maybe he can join Carlton and their one-way running midfield.
HFF_07 Agrees with DeSawx :thumbsu:
Cheapies
14 Jul 2010, 17:20
Firstly suspended fine. Secondly I have no issue with Knights being fined for his stare- should never have done it and looks poor. The fine for commenting on the 50's is ridiculous. I think you should show restraint during the game and post game say what you want.
if that was sheedy, a death threat would of been made. knights is one of the "calmer" coaches going around. i was losing my bloody shit when the 50's were raining down.
just wondering how much Mick was fined for his debacle with Milne?
ManWithNoName
14 Jul 2010, 17:20
Love that statement. It's a big f- you to Caro. Go you Bombers.
Just find it interesting that Knights wants to question the 50's..
Some were just plain stupid (Hurley running through the mark)..
The free kicks were a little more dubious (The DIVE that girl Watts took to get a free shot on goal).
Why doesnt he talk to them about that?
Cheapies
14 Jul 2010, 17:34
Just find it interesting that Knights wants to question the 50's..
Some were just plain stupid (Hurley running through the mark)..
The free kicks were a little more dubious (The DIVE that girl Watts took to get a free shot on goal).
Why doesnt he talk to them about that?
true, the dempsey one, sorry one of the dempsey ones was pretty outrageous. undiciplined when the oposition come of their line. that was what half of them were for.
the dive, wasnt much of a dive was it? maybe i was too busy abusing the tv but i thought he fell and colyer touched him. just when we were coming back...
Duckworth
14 Jul 2010, 17:37
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/98206/default.aspx
ESSENDON has refuted claims in Wednesday morning’s Age newspaper that coach Matthew Knights was confronted by some players in an emotional meeting after the side’s round 14 loss to Adelaide.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/98206/default.aspx
It appears there was no confrontation after all. Yes I'm as shocked as everyone else that Carro got something wrong.
yodellinhank
14 Jul 2010, 17:52
Just find it interesting that Knights wants to question the 50's..
Some were just plain stupid (Hurley running through the mark)..
The free kicks were a little more dubious (The DIVE that girl Watts took to get a free shot on goal).
Why doesnt he talk to them about that?
I thought the Monfries 50 was a bit rough. So too, I think it was Jetta, who overstepped the mark in the act of running with an opponent.
TeamHurley
14 Jul 2010, 18:35
I repeat - she had a word for word transcript of the Sheedy/ Horsborough discussion in the paper that week. There were only 2 in the room, yet her sources are decent to exceptional. In that case, it was Sheeds
Ditto the Didak/ Shaw confession...
Not about to take her tips on footy as gospel, but off field she is as good as any, and generally better
I heard you the first time you parrot.
No doubt she has had some good stories, but when she has nothing she just goes ahead and makes it up.
Sort of like you and your law degree.
IAmAJedi
14 Jul 2010, 18:55
Well I was at school at the time of reading this.
I do indeed hate The Age, but agree with Emma Quayle being a good journalist
Good news
Ludwig van Bertstare
14 Jul 2010, 18:58
It will be interesting to see if Houli gets selected this week, lol.
yodellinhank
14 Jul 2010, 19:10
I repeat - she had a word for word transcript of the Sheedy/ Horsborough discussion in the paper that week. There were only 2 in the room, yet her sources are decent to exceptional. In that case, it was Sheeds
Ditto the Didak/ Shaw confession...
Not about to take her tips on footy as gospel, but off field she is as good as any, and generally better
Are you sure? From what I've heard of their past, I didn't think the two would be on those sort of terms... ?
Stand Your Ground - Kevin Sheedy
She's a great one for lurking in corridors, listening to whispers and citing anonymous sources. I prefer my sauces from Rosella or IXL. At least you know what bottle they came out of.
- Sheedy on Wilson
also this on the article I believe you are referring to, the meeting at the sofitel:
We only spoke for about three or four minutes. I read a report somewhere that we drank a good bottle of wine - a Kennedy's Point sauvignon blanc. Peter and Ray might have, but once they told me the board had voted not to renew my contract, I left.
Up the Guts, are you Caroline Wilson???
SirJimi05
14 Jul 2010, 19:26
I don't know Caroline. Perhaps the same place Mark Thompson was in after he was "confronted" at a meeting in 2006, when all around Geelong was the talk of a board takeover in order to usurp the coach?
Dude, you do realise that Bomber was a couple of losses away from being sacked in 2006, don't you? :confused::confused:
If she reported this back in 2006 she would have been on the money. How was she to know that the team would ultimately turn their season around and save Bombers career??
The bigger issue is that information was leaked from the Honesty Session.
Players have to be careful who and when they disclose information that originates from the club.
The article itself was part opinion, part factual and educated guesses.
Her reference to Quinn's selection was also debated through the media when he was upgraded in Round 2 in 2009.
If you dont understand my last statement refer to paragraph 2.
yodellinhank
14 Jul 2010, 19:48
Dude, you do realise that Bomber was a couple of losses away from being sacked in 2006, don't you? :confused::confused:
If she reported this back in 2006 she would have been on the money. How was she to know that the team would ultimately turn their season around and save Bombers career??
My point was that at the end of 2006, Bomber had a confronting meeting with the playing group, facilitated by "leading teams". It was discussed that Bomber was trying to take on too much by himself and the coaching structure was altered.
Whether or not Bomber was a realistic chance of being sacked or not is debatable. I thought he was at the time. I heard a that a group of local businessmen, including a rival fruit and veg trader to Frank Costa, planned to use a Thompson sacking as a tool to overthrow the board and take control of the cats. But Costa stuck fat.
The Cats review is looked upon now as a great thing to have happened. Yet, a similar meeting at Essendon has been portrayed as some sort of player rebellion. Not so, its just how the meetings are ran.
ManWithNoName
14 Jul 2010, 19:57
The bigger issue is that information was leaked from the Honesty Session.
Players have to be careful who and when they disclose information that originates from the club.
The article itself was part opinion, part factual and educated guesses.
Her reference to Quinn's selection was also debated through the media when he was upgraded in Round 2 in 2009.
If you dont understand my last statement refer to paragraph 2.
Just because Caroline Wilson says it, doesn't mean it's true.
In fact in the clubs statement we've called it a "fabrication" and a "rumour". Ie. Caroline Wilson is a liar.
Just because Caroline Wilson says it, doesn't mean it's true.
In fact in the clubs statement we've called it a "fabrication" and a "rumour". Ie. Caroline Wilson is a liar.
I stand by the general principle stated in paragraph 2.
There has been too many stories about Essendon and player dissension/criticism of the game plan etc.
I know that we are discussing journalism in 2010 and standards have dropped but it is imperative that EFC keeps such matters in house.
And I did state that Caro's article was part factual, part opinion and part educated guesses - which is pretty much what the club stated in their press release - albeit in stronger language than mine.
ManWithNoName
14 Jul 2010, 23:05
I stand by the general principle stated in paragraph 2.
There has been too many stories about Essendon and player dissension/criticism of the game plan etc.
I know that we are discussing journalism in 2010 and standards have dropped but it is imperative that EFC keeps such matters in house.
And I did state that Caro's article was part factual, part opinion and part educated guesses - which is pretty much what the club stated in their press release - albeit in stronger language than mine.
The only part of that drivel that's fact is that the players and the coach had a meeting last week. Which Stanton told everyone about last week in the Herald Sun. The rest is blatant lying by a shit journalist.
Rosella
14 Jul 2010, 23:32
My point was that at the end of 2006, Bomber had a confronting meeting with the playing group, facilitated by "leading teams". It was discussed that Bomber was trying to take on too much by himself and the coaching structure was altered.
Whether or not Bomber was a realistic chance of being sacked or not is debatable. I thought he was at the time. I heard a that a group of local businessmen, including a rival fruit and veg trader to Frank Costa, planned to use a Thompson sacking as a tool to overthrow the board and take control of the cats. But Costa stuck fat.
The Cats review is looked upon now as a great thing to have happened. Yet, a similar meeting at Essendon has been portrayed as some sort of player rebellion. Not so, its just how the meetings are ran.
No. Neil Balme brought in leading teams when he arrived in 2007. Part of the review was to bring in Balme to assist with all the admin type stuff that Bomber was meant to do, so he could get back to coaching.
The only part of that drivel that's fact is that the players and the coach had a meeting last week. Which Stanton told everyone about last week in the Herald Sun. The rest is blatant lying by a shit journalist.
So all the stories originating from season 2008 to now talking about player dissatisfaction with the coach/game plan have been invented despite coming from a variety of journalists.
It only takes one disaffected player or ex player ( and there are are few of them around footy clubs at any given time ) to talk to his friends and family and this is disseminated to journalists.
Refer to paragraph B.
Ben the Gooner
15 Jul 2010, 08:59
The variety of journalists means nothing. You only need one to kick it off.
As Knighter said, it's an easy grab.
Not even a mention of thourthes in a lot of them.
Pevers-Legend
15 Jul 2010, 12:57
Should we just believe the Essendon Football Club?
Have they ever lied before.....Hmmmmm???
Bomberman86
15 Jul 2010, 13:08
Should we just believe the Essendon Football Club?
Have they ever lied before.....Hmmmmm???
The Essendon Football Club, and its appointed Board, assigned to administer and deliver verdicts in regards to the EFC, have ever right to keep any instance, altercation, potential and current deals, or anything in relation to the semantics of The Essendon Football Club Private.
The Media, whilst it may believe works for the people, does not have the right to this information, and it is at the Essendon Football Clubs discretion as to what,when & how information is delivered to the public.
The EFC is not a government department, has avenues for PAID members to voice an action of change, and is NOT accountable to the people of the State. In particular, it is not obliged to release information for media speculation, or for the benefit of other clubs and its supporters.
It is therefore irrelevant whether deception on the issue has occured.
Mafioso
15 Jul 2010, 13:49
Sam Lane should never have been allowed into the football media industry. Period.
Yeah but she's hot :thumbsu:
Yeah but she's hot :thumbsu:Ya reckon?
http://i33.tinypic.com/2qnm52s.jpg
Pevers-Legend
15 Jul 2010, 14:07
The Essendon Football Club, and its appointed Board, assigned to administer and deliver verdicts in regards to the EFC, have ever right to keep any instance, altercation, potential and current deals, or anything in relation to the semantics of The Essendon Football Club Private.
The Media, whilst it may believe works for the people, does not have the right to this information, and it is at the Essendon Football Clubs discretion as to what,when & how information is delivered to the public.
The EFC is not a government department, has avenues for PAID members to voice an action of change, and is NOT accountable to the people of the State. In particular, it is not obliged to release information for media speculation, or for the benefit of other clubs and its supporters.
It is therefore irrelevant whether deception on the issue has occured.
So you agree that they lie then.
Good.
Just find it amusing that people scream they want democracy, but act in a manner akin to a society where repression is wanted and needed.
sorry - but I just don't believe the EFC becasue they say so.
I have no issue in them saying what they have said - I do however have issue with supporters blindly following the club without a single train of thought that perhaps the rumours have some merit and the club does have a serious problem to attend to.
10 years without a flag - what was our objective circa 2000 - to always be top 4?
Bomberman86
15 Jul 2010, 14:29
So you agree that they lie then.
Good.
Just find it amusing that people scream they want democracy, but act in a manner akin to a society where repression is wanted and needed.
sorry - but I just don't believe the EFC becasue they say so.
I have no issue in them saying what they have said - I do however have issue with supporters blindly following the club without a single train of thought that perhaps the rumours have some merit and the club does have a serious problem to attend to.
10 years without a flag - what was our objective circa 2000 - to always be top 4?
Pevers-Legend: It is responses such as this one that are the main driving force behind the Essendon Football Clubs action of privacy. At no point in the concerned post was there any reference or insinuation of agreeance. That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. What you are not entitled to do is infer, or assume, possibilities as fact.
Members have the right to band together to demand answers. Supporters, even, have the right to ask for answers. However, if those answers are negating and pose an unnecessary risk to the EFC's credibility, viability or sustainability, and bare little to no truth, then there is little evidence to suggest releasing such information would have a positive outcome for the EFC.
We understand that on-field performances have not been up to scratch for the majority of the decade, and that is fact. What is also fact, is that a portion of the decade was stolen from us due to greed, mishandling of information (sic) and factional struggles, and this is not acceptable. Making false accusations will not solve this, and assuming you are "aware" of what has actually happened, also, does not further resolve the issues at hand.
After all, aside from your ego, what would you prefer? The EFC handling itself internally, or for us to have a largely false media circus circling?
Simply, leave utilizing the media for the clows at Collingwood.
Signing off,
Pevers-Legend
15 Jul 2010, 15:11
Pevers-Legend: It is responses such as this one that are the main driving force behind the Essendon Football Clubs action of privacy. At no point in the concerned post was there any reference or insinuation of agreeance. That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. What you are not entitled to do is infer, or assume, possibilities as fact.
Members have the right to band together to demand answers. Supporters, even, have the right to ask for answers. However, if those answers are negating and pose an unnecessary risk to the EFC's credibility, viability or sustainability, and bare little to no truth, then there is little evidence to suggest releasing such information would have a positive outcome for the EFC.
We understand that on-field performances have not been up to scratch for the majority of the decade, and that is fact. What is also fact, is that a portion of the decade was stolen from us due to greed, mishandling of information (sic) and factional struggles, and this is not acceptable. Making false accusations will not solve this, and assuming you are "aware" of what has actually happened, also, does not further resolve the issues at hand.
After all, aside from your ego, what would you prefer? The EFC handling itself internally, or for us to have a largely false media circus circling?
Simply, leave utilizing the media for the clows at Collingwood.
Signing off,
My ego? All I stated was that I don't believe the Essendon PR machine, but have no issue with how they handle their issues.
I find it amusing that supporters swallow blatant lies from clubs (being generic now) and claim them as gospel.
We have issues, we need to deal with them in-house. To stick ones head in the sand and say it's all lies and we're fine is naive to say the least.
Our performances the past two weeks have been insipid. No passion, no heart, no spine. That doesn't happen unless a team is having issues beyond the normal being injuries and suspension.
Gambelic
15 Jul 2010, 15:20
Just find it interesting that Knights wants to question the 50's..
Some were just plain stupid (Hurley running through the mark)..
The free kicks were a little more dubious (The DIVE that girl Watts took to get a free shot on goal).
Why doesnt he talk to them about that?
Diving is a serious issue in our game. Maybe he can use his experience with Davey and Monfries to talk to the Geich.
Knight Ryders
15 Jul 2010, 15:42
My ego? All I stated was that I don't believe the Essendon PR machine, but have no issue with how they handle their issues.
I find it amusing that supporters swallow blatant lies from clubs (being generic now) and claim them as gospel.
We have issues, we need to deal with them in-house. To stick ones head in the sand and say it's all lies and we're fine is naive to say the least.
Our performances the past two weeks have been insipid. No passion, no heart, no spine. That doesn't happen unless a team is having issues beyond the normal being injuries and suspension.
Amen to that and actually my main worry in all this.
Bomberman86
15 Jul 2010, 15:53
My ego? All I stated was that I don't believe the Essendon PR machine, but have no issue with how they handle their issues.
I find it amusing that supporters swallow blatant lies from clubs (being generic now) and claim them as gospel.
We have issues, we need to deal with them in-house. To stick ones head in the sand and say it's all lies and we're fine is naive to say the least.
Our performances the past two weeks have been insipid. No passion, no heart, no spine. That doesn't happen unless a team is having issues beyond the normal being injuries and suspension.
I didnt mean to insult you when I said your ego. I meant more, the EFC are not their to entertain peoples desire to know everything.
I am definately not saying they shouldnt grab any issue by the balls in house, just making it public is largely unnecessary. It never does anything but add another negative to the situation.
Simply, let it be in house, and let the Essendon PR machine do as it always has.
Pevers-Legend
15 Jul 2010, 16:43
I didnt mean to insult you when I said your ego. I meant more, the EFC are not their to entertain peoples desire to know everything.
No worries - the beauty of the written word - lack of context.
I am definately not saying they shouldnt grab any issue by the balls in house, just making it public is largely unnecessary. It never does anything but add another negative to the situation.
Simply, let it be in house, and let the Essendon PR machine do as it always has.
I agree.
However, it does seem that something is askew and if results don't change after it is internally dealt with, then things must change or really the club should be bombarded in the media as supporters like us have little if an voice.