Essendon board feedback

[Ben the Gooner]

Over the past week or two, the mods have PMed a few posters from across the board, asking for feedback on how we're going. This is my first season as mod, and indeed the first season without Merv for a long time.

Here's a sample of the things raised:

I have two main criticisms:

...

2. Being told you are a troll when you say anything remotely negative about the club, no matter how well deserved.

This absolutely has to stop. At the end of the day, we're all Essendon fans, regardless of our thoughts on any particular player, coach etc. Infractions will be given for unnecessary or uncalled for abuse.

I like how red cards for opposition supporters are only handed out if they really step out of line.

I particularly liked having the banter thread before the Hawks game to allow people to vent frustrations and talk crap. It really adds to the build up for games. Perhaps we could do that on a more regular basis?

I'm not a big fan of the open sledging threads that apppear before big games like Hawthorn & Carlton. Brings out the worst in people and just encourages trolls. Would rather that stuff stayed in the Bay.

there seems to be a lack of opposition posters views, which i dare suggest would come from a fear of being carded of called a troll.

I think i'm probably alone on this one as a lot of posters will jump all over an opposition fan who bags essendon on the essendon board, but i do like a variety of posters talking tactics relating to essendon....provided it's an intelligent point of view and doesn't turn into a bay 13 session.

I can say for other team boards that i just don't bother pointing out a team's short comings at all due to their over reaction, which is a shame

It seems that opposition supporters and the banter threads really split opinions. I'll clarify our position on that: Opposition supporters are always welcome to post constructively on the Essendon board. Trolling, on the other hand, is not tolerated, and will be met with some degree of infraction and possibly a board ban.

Regarding the banter threads, we will be continuing those in the build up to big games. However, we have decided that there will be zero toleranceoutside of those threads for opposition trolls. If there's a banter thread open, and an opposition supporter trolls outside of it, it will be an instant red card and board ban. So, those who want to get involved in the banter pre-match can do so in the banter thread, and those who don't can simply avoid that thread, knowing that any trolls who venture outside of it will be banned. We feel that this is a fair compromise between the two positions.

The only thing - I dont like, is when posters call Knights a peanut, Slattery a dick head etc. Just say that Knights is a poor coach or Slattery is not AFL standard.

Agreed. These posts will be deleted, with infractions given to repeat offenders. Play the ball, not the man.

So those are the major issues which you have brought up. If you're unhappy with our responses to them, feel free to PM any one of us to discuss it.

Cheers,
Ben the Gooner, Whomb, HFF_07 and OldMav

Oh, and a couple more comments I liked:

Oh, and also could we red card anyone who disagrees with me on anything

We move forward with a vision for the future......haha

[Godzke]

I think this sums up the modding on this board...

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/46331-2/Dog_jumps_carwindow.gif
























In all seriousness, I haven't been paying much attention to this board over June and July so I wouldn't know. :p

[pazza]

Top work lads...

[yaco55]

Mods

Could you please define a Troll ?

It seems to me that calling a poster a troll happens too often on internet forums - Undoubtedly some posters are trolls but it seems to be 'fashionable' to use this term.

[Ben the Gooner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[Beerfish]

Merv left a big void to fill.. actually some might argue he had a big void that needed filling.

You guys are doing a great job overall imho. :thumbsu:

[Wahooti Fandango]

I did not receive one of these pm's. :thumbsd: :D

[stay true]

I did not receive one of these pm's. :thumbsd: :D
Yeah same here, sup wid dat homes?

[Ben the Gooner]

Dear Valued Customer,

We value your custom. Unfortunately, despite your custom being valued, we were unable to ask you, as a valued customer, for your feedback. To ensure that our valued customers are happy, please hold.

Regards,
BigFooty

[table tennis]

One complaint.

There is not nearly enough abuse on here. You know those personal attacks that are great reading and when directed at you get your blood boiling, where you cant type a response back fast enough.

I believe the Mods should set a directive and example and this board can break into havoc mode!

[Ben the Gooner]

**** off.

[Kong]

****.

[table tennis]

More Like it.

Dumb *****

[ManWithNoName]

I like abuse towards repeated dumb posters should be encouraged. It's the only way they'll learn.

[lemon chicken]

Not sure if this is the right place for it but,

Is my computer the only one taking an eternity for pages to load up recently? Always been worse here than other sites but the past month or so has been really slow if it loads up at all.

[oddsok]

Not sure if this is the right place for it but,

Is my computer the only one taking an eternity for pages to load up recently? Always been worse here than other sites but the past month or so has been really slow if it loads up at all.Very noticeable tonight. Server issues?

[Slattery_20]

I like abuse towards repeated dumb posters should be encouraged. It's the only way they'll learn.
Nothing should be censored per se... one statement is not a "troll" as such... but we don't need to read it 5 times a day in 3 different threads.

I get pissed off with the repetitive, moronic ****wits too. They need to be told.

[George Washington]

Thread closed. Apparently going to GWS so unless that changes there's no point keeping this discussion going.


Is this really necessary? Unless a thread is turning into a shitfight I don't see why you really have to lock them. It's not like the board is that cluttered etc.

[Slattery_20]

If a poster who follows another team started a thread calling one of our players a "squib", would said thread not be deleted & said poster carded?

[Ben the Gooner]

If a poster who follows another team started a thread calling one of our players a "squib", would said thread not be deleted & said poster carded?

Probably.

Your logic is flawed - team boards are not even playing fields.

[Slattery_20]

If it wasn't started by a Dons supporter, it'd be instant delete + card.
The point is, if someone starts a thread going as far as calling a (very good young) player a squib, then you'd want to have a fairly serious look at it, whoever they support, surely?

[Kong]

If they're from another team board, yes.

If they're an Essendon supporter, we'd look at a number of things (structures, core group of players) and stick to our vision.

[Ben the Gooner]

If it wasn't started by a Dons supporter, it'd be instant delete + card.
The point is, if someone starts a thread going as far as calling a (very good young) player a squib, then you'd want to have a fairly serious look at it, whoever they support, surely?

Is it any different to a thread asking for Stanton to be traded or Pears to play forward? Disagree completely with the premise of the thread, but that doesn't mean it can't stay open.

[Slattery_20]

One is questioning a player's courage & hence, character. The other is not. Even the OP quickly disowned it.

[Kong]

So the calls of Houli squibbing contests last year.. They were out of line, even though they were correct?

[mayhem20202]

Not sure if this is the right place for it but,

Is my computer the only one taking an eternity for pages to load up recently? Always been worse here than other sites but the past month or so has been really slow if it loads up at all.

The pages will load a heap quicker if you close all the porn down before trying to open up Bigfooty.

[George Washington]

The pages will load a heap quicker if you close all the porn down before trying to open up Bigfooty.


http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/12254a885fadccc3b.gif

[mayhem20202]

http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/12254a885fadccc3b.gif

I'm not sure whether that bloke is taking the piss out of me, or applauding me???

[Beerfish]

I think he's applauding you.


The guy behind him looks like he's taking the piss though.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

Great news for us anyway, was never worth what Essendon were prepared to offer. Brodie Smith come on down.

Don't act like you've seen him play live.

[yaco55]

Don't act like you've seen him play live.

BP

We may as well close down the Essendon Board.

Probably 90% of posters haven't seen TAC cup players live - If this is a criteria it is a good way to stifle opinion.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

BP

We may as well close down the Essendon Board.

Probably 90% of posters haven't seen TAC cup players live - If this is a criteria it is a good way to stifle opinion.

You obviously don't know who bombersno1 is.

[yaco55]

You obviously don't know who bombersno1 is.

I obviously do know who Bombers No 1 is - I know the whole story with ANT 555.

We should all be grateful for You Tube, different drafting sites, videos on the AFL website etc, because it gives posters the oppoortunity to watch vision of upcoming players which should lead to better discussion.

Dont knock it !

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

I obviously do know who Bombers No 1 is - I know the whole story with ANT 555.

We should all be grateful for You Tube, different drafting sites, videos on the AFL website etc, because it gives posters the oppoortunity to watch vision of upcoming players which should lead to better discussion.

Dont knock it !

Where am I knocking it?

Get your facts straight.

I'm merely having a go at bombersno1 because as usual, she comes round draft time sprouting names that she's read on the draft board as if she's seen them live.

[yaco55]

Where am I knocking it?

Get your facts straight.

I'm merely having a go at bombersno1 because as usual, she comes round draft time sprouting names that she's read on the draft board as if she's seen them live.

So what !

I dont get the impression that Bombers No1 has seen all these young players live - It never entered my head.

Its just another cheap throw away line.

Be consistent and Start having a go at the other 90% of posters, who haven't seen live TAC Cup Games.

At least Bombers No 1 throws up names for discussions and keeps the board moving.

He may have different opinions to others - but this is an opinion based forum - Is it not ?

Play the ball, not the man

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

So what !

I dont get the impression that Bombers No1 has seen all these young players live - It never entered my head.

Its just another cheap throw away line.

Be consistent and Start having a go at the other 90% of posters, who haven't seen live TAC Cup Games.

At least Bombers No 1 throws up names for discussions and keeps the board moving.

He may have different opinions to others - but this is an opinion based forum - Is it not ?

Play the ball, not the man

I'm against her because for people who are unaware of her reputation put stock into what she says as if it she is a qualified expert. I would not care at all if she would admit that she bases her opinions off footage and reports, but to act like she attends game is wrong, IMO.

[SirJimi05]

I'm against her because for people who are unaware of her reputation put stock into what she says as if it she is a qualified expert. I would not care at all if she would admit that she bases her opinions off footage and reports, but to act like she attends game is wrong, IMO.

Rubbish. People pay as much attention to him/her as all of us other experts who watch youtube and read the forums. You and your clique just jump at every opportunity to sink the boot in and gang up on him/her.

[yaco55]

Rubbish. People pay as much attention to him/her as all of us other experts who watch youtube and read the forums. You and your clique just jump at every opportunity to sink the boot in and gang up on him/her.

This

I can see shades of BB.

The saddest thing is that we live in a technological age where we can access video of upcoming draft prospects.

Surely this leads to better and more informed discussion - But sadly this is not always the case.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

Rubbish. People pay as much attention to him/her as all of us other experts who watch youtube and read the forums. You and your clique just jump at every opportunity to sink the boot in and gang up on him/her.

Yeah, ok. I get my jollies off by bullying someone online.

This

I can see shades of BB.

The saddest thing is that we live in a technological age where we can access video of upcoming draft prospects.

Surely this leads to better and more informed discussion - But sadly this is not always the case.

For the love of Whomb.

What do you not understand? I do not care if people make opinions based on youtube clips.

[Slattery_20]

I obviously do know who Bombers No 1 is - I know the whole story with ANT 555.

I doubt you do. But not knowing about a subject has never stopped you from talking as if you do.

[Slattery_20]

Personally think any thread based on "bookie odds" should either be tagged with "free advertising here", merged into a general all-encompassing odds & punting thread, or baleeted.
Over it.
We don't get a new thread every time Ikea drops one of their prices or the Bomber shop releases a new line.

[Kong]

Absolutely agree with the last sentance.

There's no need for it, and it's nearly never an inidcation of anything significant.

Generally I've been merging most of them into the merged coaching threads, but they do seem to bob up a lot.

[Redb#]

Request a ban on all twitter rumours of betting plunges started by SEN re James Hird coaching Essendon. :thumbsd:

[AS9]

Just make a general coaching rumour thread. Then you don't have to bother reading it.

[Beerfish]

We don't get a new thread every time Ikea drops one of their prices or the Bomber shop releases a new line.

Having said that, I have two of these.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/images/shop2003/1631.jpg

I urge every die hard Bomber supporter to get at least one.

Only $39.95 and it supports your club. :thumbsu:

And just by the way, wtf is this?

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/images/newsplash_bottom_2010-comedydebate.jpg

[lards]

Mods shouldn't lock those dud threads stright away. Sometimes they are pretty funny or the OP needs to be told.

Heres an example:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751524

and one of the greatest OP's of all time

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747772

[Phone]

agreed. sometimes the thread needs to be left open, so we can abuse the OP a bit more.

[Ben the Gooner]

Tbh, I lock the ones with less comedic potential.

[Kong]

What Ben said.

Some of the late, great inspectorman's threads were amusing to leave open for a little while.

[yaco55]

I doubt you do. But not knowing about a subject has never stopped you from talking as if you do.

Ah !

I got it now !

You can read my mind !

You can post for me in the future !:eek:

[Slattery_20]

But I get in shit for telling them.

Some people need to be told.
Repeatedly.
Otherwise unsuspecting punters will fall into the trap of reading stuff & assuming the poster's not a complete effing idiot. I don't know if I can stand for that.

[Slattery_20]

Ah !

I got it now !

You can read my mind !

You can post for me in the future !:eek:
So you do know the whole story? If so, who told you? Or are you talking out your arse?

There's always more than meets the eye. 2 sides to a story. And I doubt you've heard it. I haven't.

[daffo]

I say give red cards to EVREYONE.

[yaco55]

So you do know the whole story? If so, who told you? Or are you talking out your arse?

There's always more than meets the eye. 2 sides to a story. And I doubt you've heard it. I haven't.

Lets get it clear.

I was referring to the Bombers No 1 scenario in my discussion with RIG.

RIG claimed that Bombers No 1 shouldn't be commenting on TAC Cup players unless he had seen them play live.

I suggested that if we applied this rule - There would be little or no discusion about upcoming draft prospects.



When during the draft period last year Bombers No 1 claimed to have been to Under 18 Championship games througout the country.

Ant555 and the other moderators of the time doubted the veracity of Bomber No 1's claims.

Apparently they checked his log in location at the aforementioned times and found that Bombers No 1 logged in from Sydney on the day's of the Under 18 Championship games. This was printed in the thread.

Anyway it was almost as funny as the Jarryd Cachia thread on the Drafts and Trading Boars.

You may have been referring to a different event.

And I never got that apology from Smooth for stealing my post from BB.:rolleyes:

[Slattery_20]

Why (when everyone else has kept saying "she") do you keep referring to bombersno1 as "he"? I mean, you tell me you "know" who he/she is. (I don't). But I'm guessing the people on here aren't just guessing that bit.
Regardless, that's not the "whole story". Your words, not mine. Nice backpedal.


The issue is not whether X or Y has, or hasn't seen people play live. Democracy & all that. The issue is whether they are dishonestly claiming to, then rubbishing people who have, (and actually have a real-life interest in knowing this stuff) based on 5 minutes of youtube.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

RIG claimed that Bombers No 1 shouldn't be commenting on TAC Cup players unless he had seen them play live.

I never said that.

[Kong]

The issue is not whether X or Y has, or hasn't seen people play live. Democracy & all that. The issue is whether they are dishonestly claiming to, then rubbishing people who have, (and actually have a real-life interest in knowing this stuff) based on 5 minutes of youtube.Well said.

[SirJimi05]

Well said.

Yes and no. Maybe instead of giving smart arse replies every time Bomberno1 posts more credit should be given to fellow posters on this board. When I read his/her posts I don't for one minute assume that he attends any games. In fact, I am almost certain that he doesn't because his opinions/descriptions of the youngsters are vague and lack depth (just like 99.9% of our posts). I'm sure everyone else on here has come to the same conclusion.

Therefore, If he spins a bit of shit about watching live games, pull him up on it. I believe this is what happened when he did it? The rest of the time when he is just commentinglike the rest of us, let him be. RIG in particular (as well as some others in your little clique) have a bad habit of jumoing down his/her throat every time he posts. Comments like "what is his prefered foot" or "when did you watch him play live" are the normal type replies when Bombersno1 makes a general observation about a player.

Don't be so hypocritical. Unless RIG watches games live himself he shouldn't be bagging others for making opinions based on that they see on youtube. I'm pretty sure RIG was all over Rich a couple of years back. How many times did he watch him play live and how much did he actually know about him? He should never comment on any kid ever again unless he watches him play live. This goes for all the others that as a group have made a concerted effort to ridicule bombersno1 and shoot him/down every time he voices an opinion.

[Kong]

As Slattery_20 said "The issue is not whether X or Y has, or hasn't seen people play live... The issue is whether they are dishonestly claiming to, then rubbishing people who have, based on 5 minutes of youtube."

That's why bombersno1 is ridiculed so much. That and ranking our club's needs on how attractive the prospective players are.

As a whole, the Mods of this board (myself, Ben, RIG, Ant555, Merv, probably even further back with DaSawx and Marcuz) have given her plenty of warning about talking down to regulars like you, me, and most on here that are in the boat of only going by youtube and perhaps Fox Sports at best.

She has a history of talking herself up as some sort of draft genius, lying about the sources of her information etc.

I try not to reply to her posts anymore, as I don't have anything nice to say, to be honest.

I agree that she shouldn't be bullied, but if she continues to dish out utter drivel, I can't promise people won't take to her task on it, and that's more than fair enough.

[Skeeta Olly]

Guys, speak via PM.

(delete this mods)

[Kong]

Don't worry, all of this off-topic stuff will be deleted soon.

I just want to get this settled so that it doesn't continue to pop up in future threads.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

Jimi, I don't have a problem with people going to youtube and making opinions based on that, or draft reports. I do not care one bit. My problem with bombersno1 is that (like Whomb said) talks herself up as if she has an intimate knowledge of the draftees and has been proven a liar several times.

Can we just get it straight that I do not care if people make opinions based on youtube videos and I have never said that is a problem.

[SirJimi05]

I agree that she shouldn't be bullied, but if she continues to dish out utter drivel, I can't promise people won't take to her task on it, and that's more than fair enough.

Please quote the posts in this thread where she has been talking down to people and dishing out utter drivel. Maybe also provide any recent posts where she has lied about attending games etc. I have never personally felt that she has talked down to me.

I can vaguely remember an incident quite some time ago which she was pulled up on but what is with the continued bullying? Pretty sure a couple of the culpurits are/were mods also.

[Kong]

Please quote the posts in this thread where she has been talking down to people and dishing out utter drivel. Maybe also provide any recent posts where she has lied about attending games etc. I have never personally felt that she has talked down to me.I never said it was in this thread, and to be honest when I have maybe an hour at night after work, I'm not going to use that time to go through the worst poster on this board's posting history.

And yes, I can say that, regardless of being a Moderator. It's called an opinion.I can vaguely remember an incident quite some time ago which she was pulled up on but what is with the continued bullying? Pretty sure a couple of the culpurits are/were mods also.Read my post again: "I agree that she shouldn't be bullied".

However bullying isn't Poster A making a stupid comment after a history of doing so, Poster B taking their post to task, Poster C also doing likewise.

As I said, if people disagree with what others say, that's fair game, so long as it isn't breaking any BigFooty guidelines/rules.

As Moderators we shouldn't have to make a concerted effort to protect bomersno1 because she raises the ire of just about all who bother to read her posts.

Also it's completely reasonable that if she has a storied history of talking nonsense, perhaps even with the intention of winding people up, has received plenty of warnings and cards, that people aren't going to take her seriously.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

I think it's been months before I've even addressed bombersno1...

[Duckworth]

I think it's been months before I've even addressed bombersno1...

She doesn't really post until draft time though... :)

[Slattery_20]

This goes for all the others that as a group have made a concerted effort to ridicule bombersno1 and shoot him/down every time he voices an opinion.
Why should people who are known, repeated, proven, BS artists be exempt from questioning or warning?

That's not bullying.
That's just warning someone who's got in shit for something before not to do it again, ie exactly what a mod should do.

If someone's thrown off by "don't act like you've seen him live", they're going to get thrown off by just about anything, I would suggest they stay off the big mean old internet.
Bullying would be getting personal, following into other threads off-topic or on different boards, or actually saying something harsh.

[TeamHurley]

bombersno1 and pick 8 for mundy.

[yaco55]

Why should people who are known, repeated, proven, BS artists be exempt from questioning or warning?

That's not bullying.
That's just warning someone who's got in shit for something before not to do it again, ie exactly what a mod should do.

If someone's thrown off by "don't act like you've seen him live", they're going to get thrown off by just about anything, I would suggest they stay off the big mean old internet.
Bullying would be getting personal, following into other threads off-topic or on different boards, or actually saying something harsh.

Slattery20

Ant555 handled this appropriately last year as a MOD - Pointed out clearly with supporting information that Bombers No 1 was telling fibs.

This is common knowledge for people who read threads on this board.

So as Jimi says 99% of people on this forum know the history of Bombers No 1.

No point getting your knickers into a knot.

[yaco55]

Poor Mundy.

He and Bombers No 1 have been interwined in the same conversation.:confused:

[bombersno1]

Can't I at least be put into a sentence with a hot one instead! Plus who wears knickers anyway these days!

[Ben the Gooner]

bombersno1's accuracy of posting is like Riewoldt's kicking.

There, happy?

[Kong]

Riewoldt won the Coleman, n00b.

inb4 realisation of having wrong Riewoldt.

[EVERLAST]

Why should people who are known, repeated, proven, BS artists be exempt from questioning or warning?

That's not bullying.
That's just warning someone who's got in shit for something before not to do it again, ie exactly what a mod should do.

If someone's thrown off by "don't act like you've seen him live", they're going to get thrown off by just about anything, I would suggest they stay off the big mean old internet.
Bullying would be getting personal, following into other threads off-topic or on different boards, or actually saying something harsh.

I agree with this. It's a ****ing computer.

Personal attack, sure the mods should deal with it but if it's hotly debating a topic being discussed, it's fair game regardless whomever gets offended or has their nose bent out of joint.

I'd be willing to bet every single poster has had pot shots taken at them from time to time, but in the end, we're all anonymous names on the internet.

[Kong]

Except for Benjamin T. Gooner.

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

T is for terrific.

[yaco55]

Can't I at least be put into a sentence with a hot one instead! Plus who wears knickers anyway these days!

I thought that you liked blondes !:eek:

[Shinbones]

Over the past week or two, the mods have PMed a few posters from across the board, asking for feedback on how we're going. This is my first season as mod, and indeed the first season without Merv for a long time.

Here's a sample of the things raised:



This absolutely has to stop. At the end of the day, we're all Essendon fans, regardless of our thoughts on any particular player, coach etc. Infractions will be given for unnecessary or uncalled for abuse.









It seems that opposition supporters and the banter threads really split opinions. I'll clarify our position on that: Opposition supporters are always welcome to post constructively on the Essendon board. Trolling, on the other hand, is not tolerated, and will be met with some degree of infraction and possibly a board ban.

Regarding the banter threads, we will be continuing those in the build up to big games. However, we have decided that there will be zero toleranceoutside of those threads for opposition trolls. If there's a banter thread open, and an opposition supporter trolls outside of it, it will be an instant red card and board ban. So, those who want to get involved in the banter pre-match can do so in the banter thread, and those who don't can simply avoid that thread, knowing that any trolls who venture outside of it will be banned. We feel that this is a fair compromise between the two positions.



Agreed. These posts will be deleted, with infractions given to repeat offenders. Play the ball, not the man.

So those are the major issues which you have brought up. If you're unhappy with our responses to them, feel free to PM any one of us to discuss it.

Cheers,
Ben the Gooner, Whomb, HFF_07 and OldMav

Oh, and a couple more comments I liked:

Are you blokes serious This is worse than China lets all pretend everything is good and death to the neh sayers!!! FFS

[Ben the Gooner]

Lucky they aren't the North board rules then, champ.

Run off home.

[Beerfish]

I think this bloke wants some time in the re-education camp Ben.

[Ben the Gooner]

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