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The Dustbin
25 Jul 2010, 11:31
http://essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7660
Jason Winderlich will undergo scans this week after sustaining a suspected fracture to his hand in the second quarter of last night’s win against the Kangaroos
http://essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7660
Shit. :(
Ryder_Hooker
25 Jul 2010, 11:34
Geez, winders cant take a trick! Hopefully it's not too bad.
The Dustbin
25 Jul 2010, 11:37
Will definitely miss next week.
Lance Uppercut
25 Jul 2010, 11:39
http://www.elandroidelibre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ffuuuu.jpg
Duckworth
25 Jul 2010, 11:40
Damn, the last few weeks have been his career best form.
At least it's not his back.
Ben the Gooner
25 Jul 2010, 11:40
Bugger, best game in a long while. :(
Mr Mojo Risin
25 Jul 2010, 11:54
Nice to see the toughness of this guy playing out most the game after this happening in the second.
Will be sorely missed against St Kilda. :(
dave_27
25 Jul 2010, 12:08
Houli into the middle?
Whenever he gets in good form he gets injured!! Bloody frustrating!!
Ben the Gooner
25 Jul 2010, 12:35
Melksham will come in IMO.
stander
25 Jul 2010, 12:40
A rather stunning revelation by Winderlich- C Dempsey is the most talented footballer he's had the pleasure of playing with. Better luck next time James.
George Washington
25 Jul 2010, 12:48
Melksham will come in IMO.
Remember we have to lose a small for Hille, so it might be Winders for Hille.
Call Me Cake
25 Jul 2010, 13:03
http://i32.tinypic.com/20fj14.jpg
Winders OUT
Muscles IN
?
Sam Mitchell broke a bone in his hand and only missed one week.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/winderlichs-afl-season-could-be-over-20100725-10qc7.htmlThe AFL season could be over for Essendon midfielder Jason Winderlich because of a suspected broken hand.http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/winderlichs-afl-season-could-be-over-20100725-10qc7.html
kelvin_sheedy
25 Jul 2010, 18:22
Shouldn't make a difference. In fact we should get better because he's too inconsistent according to all the pundits on here.
We should be looking to offload him at seasons end. Trade Winderlich for Boak + our first and second rounder.
Duckworth
25 Jul 2010, 18:40
Shouldn't make a difference. In fact we should get better because he's too inconsistent according to all the pundits on here.
We should be looking to offload him at seasons end. Trade Winderlich for Boak + our first and second rounder.
I'm confused, I thought we were trading Stanton? :o
kelvin_sheedy
25 Jul 2010, 18:49
I'm confused, I thought we were trading Stanton? :o
Stanton, Winderlich and whoever else doesn't have the potential to be an elite, A grade superstar.
Trade em all I tells ya. ;)
We need more 19 year olds who get 10-15 touches a game but have "potential"
Shouldn't make a difference. In fact we should get better because he's too inconsistent according to all the pundits on here.
We should be looking to offload him at seasons end. Trade Winderlich for Boak + our first and second rounder.
Err.... Boak has already signed with Port.....
Anyhoo, perhaps Winders should play most games with a busted hand if he produces like he did last night.
Darealrath
25 Jul 2010, 23:32
Very disappointing for him, but hopefully it means Houli stays in.
Stanton, Winderlich and whoever else doesn't have the potential to be an elite, A grade superstar.
Trade em all I tells ya. ;)
We need more 19 year olds who get 10-15 touches a game but have "potential"Heh.
Not often you make me laugh. :thumbsu:
Stanton, Winderlich and whoever else doesn't have the potential to be an elite, A grade superstar.
Trade em all I tells ya. ;)
We need more 19 year olds who get 10-15 touches a game but have "potential"
You forgot about the 23 to 28 year olds who get 10-15 touches per game and are still showing potential after 7 years.:confused:
We need to give them every opportunity.
Fail.
Stanton gets 10-15 touchers per game?
stay true
26 Jul 2010, 00:31
Maybe Winderlich, oh wait...
Heard on the radio this morning, if the break is mid hand they can put screws in and he'll be back in 2, if it's higher they can't do a surgrey and it'll be 4-6.
TheDon35
26 Jul 2010, 09:06
Stanton, Winderlich and whoever else doesn't have the potential to be an elite, A grade superstar.
Trade em all I tells ya. ;)
We need more 19 year olds who get 10-15 touches a game but have "potential"
Shallow.
Of course you don't trade them all off. Fact is though, most of our guys over 24 aren't consistently good enough to be the backbone of a premiership side. Widerlich's arguably our most talented player which makes his inconsistency so frustrating. If GC came out and said we'll give you pick 7 for Winderlich, you'd surely take it.
And yes, I'd take a bunch of 19 year old's with potential over a bunch over 25 yo B & C graders who aren't going to win you a flag.
I've had the same arguement since 2003.
TheDon35
26 Jul 2010, 09:09
Every cloud has a silver lining.
The loss of winderlich opens the door for the likes of Zaha, Melksham & Colyer to step into more prominent midfield rolls.
At the end of a season where you aren't going anywhere from a finals perspective, this is what needs to happen.
Bomberman86
26 Jul 2010, 09:26
Fail.
Stanton gets 10-15 touchers per game?
Hed have less than 10-15 damaging touches a game. Id find it hard to believe he damages the opposition with any more than 5-10 of his 30 odd disposals. Even THAT is very flattering.
While he gets a nailing on BigFooty, and by the Essendon fans, I dont think hes as bad as people think, but hes just simply not at all damaging.
Ben the Gooner
26 Jul 2010, 09:44
Why is he tagged then?
Whenever he gets in good form he gets injured!! Bloody frustrating!!NLM says hi.
Sam Mitchell broke a bone in his hand and only missed one week.
Depends on the injury.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/injury-blow-for-winderlich-20100725-10qk0.html
''The severity of the break and where it is will determine just how long he is out for,'' Hamilton said. ''Sometimes you only miss one week and other times you miss four or five with those sorts of injuries.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/injury-blow-for-winderlich-20100725-10qk0.html
saint leo
26 Jul 2010, 10:47
Hille in for winders, and maybe Melksham by not sure for who, Jetta struggled after a good patch mid season. Just please give prismall a few more games!! Saints have some really tall forwards to we need hooker, hurley and fletch and the 2 ruckman. Hocking can be playing on 6'3 blokes every week.
Winders season since round 5 has been fantastic. Stanton first 8 games were brilliant and clearly other coaches rate him too, he got Jones, Ling and Bateman tagging him. I dont think he is fully fit but played a really good second half down back on the weekend.
All the clowns that want to trade him and stupid, we would get about pick 20-30 then draft someone who in 3 years might be as good a player as stanton but more than likely wont be. About 1 in 50 chance of getting a "Gun" from that pick. Stanton and WInders are very good players but will never be superstars, we need those players on the list. Blokes like dyson, lonergan who have been on the list for ages and still not cemented a spot in an average side are the ones that need to go.
Hed have less than 10-15 damaging touches a game. Id find it hard to believe he damages the opposition with any more than 5-10 of his 30 odd disposals. Even THAT is very flattering.
While he gets a nailing on BigFooty, and by the Essendon fans, I dont think hes as bad as people think, but hes just simply not at all damaging.Fair enough. I strongly disagree.
Winderlich to undergo surgery.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7664
“The good news is that the break was in a place where it can be operated on and there is every chance that he will only miss one week,” Hamilton told The Recovery Room.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7664
Shallow.
Of course you don't trade them all off. Fact is though, most of our guys over 24 aren't consistently good enough to be the backbone of a premiership side. Widerlich's arguably our most talented player which makes his inconsistency so frustrating. If GC came out and said we'll give you pick 7 for Winderlich, you'd surely take it.
And yes, I'd take a bunch of 19 year old's with potential over a bunch over 25 yo B & C graders who aren't going to win you a flag.
I've had the same arguement since 2003.
I hear you.
Need to take any opportunity to improve our list.
Winderlich to undergo surgery.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7664
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7664
Thats good news. Sounds very much like the Boyd/Mitchel fractures. Hopefully we see him back after the St's.
That's great to hear. Hopefully will only miss one. He will be needed against the Blues and Pies. I would love to snatch a win against one (or both) of them.
TeamHurley
27 Jul 2010, 11:14
Why is he tagged then?
good point.
TheDon35
27 Jul 2010, 12:49
Why is he tagged then?
Stanton's tagged because he can't deal with it.
If he's alowed to run around and do his own thing, he's going to be a damaging player.
When he's tagged, he generally goes totally awol and has no impact on the game. Therefore, it's more effective for the opposition to completely take out our 3rd or 4th best midfielder than sacrifice a player on Watson who is less likely to get totally shut out of the game ala Stanton.
Ben the Gooner
27 Jul 2010, 13:27
Winderlich is unable to cope with a tag. Why is he only targeted when Stanton is out?
Why would the last two premiership coaches use Ling and Bateman as taggers on Stanton? Why wouldn't they back two very good players head to head?
TheDon35
27 Jul 2010, 13:58
Winderlich is unable to cope with a tag. Why is he only targeted when Stanton is out?
Why would the last two premiership coaches use Ling and Bateman as taggers on Stanton? Why wouldn't they back two very good players head to head?
As I previously said. Stanton is tagged because he is completely inneffective when he is.
They make a decision to tag him because the alternative is to tag someone like Watson who is much less likely to be completely shut out of a game when tagged. Therefore the cost / benefit trade off is far greater for an opposition who tags Stanton.
Yes Winderlich isn't great with a tag. Unfortunately, on his output, when tagged Stanton is very ordinary. On the flip side he's very good when he's not tagged, works hard and finds the ball. In fact he started the season very very well until he started getting tagged.
Stanton's been getting tagged for 2 or 3 years :confused:
In fact, I remember him being tagged in his breakout season of 2006.
Ben the Gooner
27 Jul 2010, 16:04
So he's been completely ineffective for 3-4 years?
News to me.
Jonesy10
27 Jul 2010, 17:43
I love it how how if a player like Stanton plays poorly, it's a direct result of them not being able to handle a tag. It couldn't be that he's simply out of form, as every player is at certain times; no wait, that's totally illogical...
That's great news about Winders, and I saw in the article that his hand is already feeling better.
TheDon35
28 Jul 2010, 06:18
So he's been completely ineffective for 3-4 years?
News to me.
So he's been tagged in every game for the past 3 or 4 years?
News to me.
snap.
Winders injury is now looking likely as only a one weeker. That's GREAT!!
Ben the Gooner
28 Jul 2010, 07:50
So he's been tagged in every game for the past 3 or 4 years?
News to me.
Not far from it.
TheDon35
28 Jul 2010, 17:08
Not far from it.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that but anyway...
Are you suggesting that he handles a tag well?
Ben the Gooner
28 Jul 2010, 18:17
Not well by any stretch, but I don't think he's ineffective.
Taggers get to him for sure - that's why he doesn't have his 35-40 possession games every week.
TheDon35
29 Jul 2010, 10:22
Not well by any stretch, but I don't think he's ineffective.
Taggers get to him for sure - that's why he doesn't have his 35-40 possession games every week.
Ease up... Bit of mayo on that. Stanton doesn't have 40 possession games. He never has.
His most disposals ever has been 36
He's had 2 games in his career where he's had 35 touches or more.
He's averaged 21 disposals per game over his career.
He averages a goal every second game.
He's hardly an elite user of the ball.
At this stage of his career, he'd be a handy second string midfielder in a premiership side. Geelong have 7 mids better than him. Bartel, Abblet, Corey, Ling, Selwood, Kelly, Chapman.
Ease up... Bit of mayo on that. Stanton doesn't have 40 possession games. He never has.
His most disposals ever has been 36
He's had 2 games in his career where he's had 35 touches or more.
He's averaged 21 disposals per game over his career.
He averages a goal every second game.
He's hardly an elite user of the ball.
At this stage of his career, he'd be a handy second string midfielder in a premiership side. Geelong have 7 mids better than him. Bartel, Abblet, Corey, Ling, Selwood, Kelly, Chapman.
I'd argue that Geelong's midfield make players like Ling and Kelly better than they are. Stanton are better than both of these guys, and under that midfield he would be a star. Way ahead of Kelly and Ling.
TheDon35
29 Jul 2010, 10:57
I'd argue that Geelong's midfield make players like Ling and Kelly better than they are. Stanton are better than both of these guys, and under that midfield he would be a star. Way ahead of Kelly and Ling.
Of course that's the arguement. The other arguement re ling is that he plays a different roll, allbeit, he's in the top handful of players in the comp that perform that roll in the midfield.
Disagree on Kelly. He does have the benefit of attracting less attention due to stronger support. Despite this, he's still a better all round player at this point in time than Stanton.... It frustrates me to say that.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 11:06
Ease up... Bit of mayo on that. Stanton doesn't have 40 possession games. He never has.
His most disposals ever has been 36
He's had 2 games in his career where he's had 35 touches or more.
He's averaged 21 disposals per game over his career.
He averages a goal every second game.
He's hardly an elite user of the ball.
At this stage of his career, he'd be a handy second string midfielder in a premiership side. Geelong have 7 mids better than him. Bartel, Abblet, Corey, Ling, Selwood, Kelly, Chapman.
Obviously hyperbole, but you know the games I'm talking about. The ones where he's absolutely everything, pops up for a goal or two, then 2 minutes later he's the chop out option at the back, then he's in space down the wing.
You have to tag him, because he's too dangerous without it, although he is still dangerous with the tag (this year being the exception, hence why I think he's injured).
TheDon35
29 Jul 2010, 15:34
Obviously hyperbole, but you know the games I'm talking about. The ones where he's absolutely everything, pops up for a goal or two, then 2 minutes later he's the chop out option at the back, then he's in space down the wing.
You have to tag him, because he's too dangerous without it, although he is still dangerous with the tag (this year being the exception, hence why I think he's injured).
I hope it is an injury as it would at least mean upside. I've said all along that I rate the bloke for what he is. A more than solid player in the midfield. It's just that he's still a fair way from someone like Watson who is still a fair way from someone like Hodge / Judd IMO.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 16:32
No star, but the gap between him and third place in our midfield is so big it's embarrassing.
That in itself tells a story.
Ben
Do you think that Stanton has been that far in front of Winderlich in the last 2 years ?
Whomb's answer: **** yes.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 20:19
Ben
Do you think that Stanton has been that far in front of Winderlich in the last 2 years ?
That's rhetorical, right?
B and F in 2009
Stanton third
Winderlich fifth
B and F 2010
Would be running neck and neck.
The pity is that they dont often fire together in the same games.
Prismalldon #9
29 Jul 2010, 20:39
B and F in 2009
Stanton third
Winderlich fifth
B and F 2010
Would be running neck and neck.
The pity is that they dont often fire together in the same games.
Yer Their form has sort of swapped through the year Stanton started the year very well but his form has been average over the last month or two. Winderlich is the opposite not a great start to the year after a good 2009 season but is now starting to fire and be one of the best every week
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 20:49
B and F in 2009
Stanton third
Winderlich fifth
B and F 2010
Would be running neck and neck.
The pity is that they dont often fire together in the same games.
By that logic, wouldn't it make sense to trade Winderlich instead?
The Donners
29 Jul 2010, 20:58
By that logic, wouldn't it make sense to trade Winderlich instead?
Probably, I would trade 1 of them however - I'd trade Winderlich ahead of Stanton.
HurleyLegend
29 Jul 2010, 21:10
Probably, I would trade 1 of them however - I'd trade Winderlich ahead of Stanton.
Could not disagree more.
I'd trade STanton in a heartbeat if something good in return.
Winderlich definitely keeper
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 21:52
Why would you be so desperate to get rid of one of only two top notch midfielders in our team?
By that logic, wouldn't it make sense to trade Winderlich instead?
Stanton is more durable and has more trade currency.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 21:54
And is also a hell of a lot better.
And is also a hell of a lot better.
Wait until the B and F results for 2010.
At this stage they will be level pegging and if this is the case Stanton hasn't been a much better player in the last 2 years in the eyes of the coaching department.
Wait and see.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jul 2010, 22:11
Wait until the B and F results for 2010.
At this stage they will be level pegging and if this is the case Stanton hasn't been a much better player in the last 2 years in the eyes of the coaching department.
Wait and see.
Stanton in his worst form for years, Winderlich not far from his best for probably 1/3 - 1/2 of the season, and still only level pegging?
Stanton in his worst form for years, Winderlich not far from his best for probably 1/3 - 1/2 of the season, and still only level pegging?
Clutching at straws.
As I said in an earlier post, it would be good if they can fire together at the same time.
It hasn't happened often enough.
Ben the Gooner
30 Jul 2010, 09:22
Clutching at straws.
As I said in an earlier post, it would be good if they can fire together at the same time.
It hasn't happened often enough.
Heh, I'm clutching at straws?
Everytime someone asks how we benefit from losing half of our good midfielders, you mention something about Travis Colyer meaning all pick 26s will turn out well.
No Daniel McConnello.
The Donners
30 Jul 2010, 14:00
Could not disagree more.
I'd trade STanton in a heartbeat if something good in return.
Winderlich definitely keeper
You're entitled to your disagreement but I'd say on current form it'd be easy to put Stanton up for trade. How about the 8 years Winderlich has been on our list providing SFA apart from a nice little stretch at a the moment, a couple of games in 2009 and a couple in 2007?
Did you notice how easily Winders was pushed off the ball when the ball was in dispute against North Melbourne? Winderlich does nothing against quality opposition and his disposal is far worse than Stanton's (it just looks better how he drops the ball) - which says a lot!
The Donners
30 Jul 2010, 14:04
Wait until the B and F results for 2010.
Slattery finished 10th in '09, does that mean he's better than Lovett? Surely you jest? Lovett was the difference between us making the finals or not. Slattery is Knights' pet.
Slattery finished 10th in '09, does that mean he's better than Lovett? Surely you jest? Lovett was the difference between us making the finals or not. Slattery is Knights' pet.
Donners
The B and F results are how the coaches measure a players value to the team.
It doesnt mean that I agree.
Nearly all of us agreed that Lovett performed better than 14th in the B and F
The Donners
30 Jul 2010, 15:03
Donners
The B and F results are how the coaches measure a players value to the team.
It doesnt mean that I agree.
Nearly all of us agreed that Lovett performed better than 14th in the B and F
Value to the team or who ever the coaches like?
Slattery_20
30 Jul 2010, 15:31
I don't think you're that naive Donners.
Coaches ask players to work on things - ie get a touch in every quarter, lay a tackle, work hard both ways - and if the player in question does none of those things, but still has match-turning touches in the last quarter, you get that sort of disparity.
Lance Uppercut
30 Jul 2010, 15:44
Winderlich's best is way better than Stanton's best, just don't see it as often
Ben the Gooner
30 Jul 2010, 15:56
Winderlich's best is way better than Stanton's best, just don't see it as often
Replace as with very IMO.
Shame, because he's one of my favourite players.
The Donners
30 Jul 2010, 16:28
I don't think you're that naive Donners.
Coaches ask players to work on things - ie get a touch in every quarter, lay a tackle, work hard both ways - and if the player in question does none of those things, but still has match-turning touches in the last quarter, you get that sort of disparity.
Well the coaches are going to like you if you do as you are asked even if you're poor at what it is you do.