Changes V Carlton Rnd 19

[footycool]

IN: Winder

OUT: Gumby

Otherwise, play on :thumbsu:

[Valve Bounce]

IN: Winder

OUT: ?

Otherwise, play on :thumbsu:

Well, Gumbleton is out injured, for a start. Anyone know more, please?

[gO_bOmBeRz]

Wouldn't be surprised if Jake Carlisle makes his debut after a good performance in the 2's

[Skeeta Olly]

Not AFL ready.

[BomberTime]

Yeah i would bring Carlisle in for Gumby and thats about it, dont think winderlich will be right after 1 week off and reward the team that won on the weekend.

[gO_bOmBeRz]

Will we go into the game trying to use speed ? If so i think we'll see the inclusion of Atkinson or Jetta.

[JD11]

I reckon Welsh will come in. I understand he got through Bendigo OK and he's our VC so he won't be left in the Magoos for 2 weeks. Plus he owns Judd.

[Valve Bounce]

Will we go into the game trying to use speed ? If so i think we'll see the inclusion of Atkinson or Jetta.

Jetta would be fun - love watching this guy play. :cool:

[Darealrath]

Wouldn't be surprised if Jake Carlisle makes his debut after a good performance in the 2's

I'd make this change if Winder isn't 100%. Good opportunity to debut a promising young player and it makes sense in terms of position.

Jetta is the only other I'd consider bringing in.

[beev]

Winderlich if passed fit to play, if not then Welsh will probably come in. Jetta didn't do enough for Bendigo. Myers was impressive from what i saw but the VC next to Welsh's name will put him top of the list.

[Ben the Gooner]

IN: Slattery
OUT: Gumby

Hurley to go forward due to the lack of height/talent in the Carlton forwardline.

[Godzke]

Was about to ask how far away is Pears, but forgot about the Pancreas damage he copped.

Tom Bellchambers foot injury Rnd 16 Rnd 18
Unsure of severity

Darcy Daniher adductor tendinopathy Rnd 11 Rnd 18
Could be close to a return

Alwyn Davey ankle sprain Rnd 18 Rnd 19
Will have the injury further assessed

Ricky Dyson knee injury Rnd 15 Rnd 18
Unsure of exact diagnosis

Scott Gumbleton chest injury Rnd 18 End of season
Broken ribs and a punctured lung

David Hille hamstring strain Rnd 11 Rnd 18
Had a recurrence at training. Named

Jason Laycock foot injury Rnd 8 End of season
Has required season ending surgery

Anthony Long hamstring strain Rnd 13 Rnd 21
May have had a recurrence

Tayte Pears abdominal injury Rnd 13 End of season
Had an exploratory laparotomy for a free fluid collection and potential pancreas damage. Was cleared of pancreas injury.

Taite Silverlock fibula fracture Rnd 14 End of season

Henry Slattery fractured rib Rnd 14 Rnd 19
Andrew Welsh groin strain Rnd 15 Rnd 19

John Williams shoulder injury Rnd 16 Rnd 18
Is having the injury further assessed

Mark Williams ankle injury Rnd 16 End of season
Required ankle surgery after being unable to carry the injury

Jason Winderlich hand fracture Rnd 17 Rnd 20
Has had surgery

Looks like Winders is right to go for Rnd 19 according to efc officials. Watson is said to be sore but should be right to play.

OUT: Gumbleton (inj)
IN: Winderlich

I think we're good for talls to swing fwd/back if we need them. An additional midfielder to rotate through against the Blues midfield is key imo.

[eth-dog]

OUT: Gumby (inj), Davey?(is it serious?)
IN: Winders, JC

[bombers2011]

Judd hurt his shoulder in the last 1/4 yesterday.
Not sure if he'll play. I would say he looked unlikely.
In this case, I further BEG the match committee not to play Welsh.

Also, I love Hank but please don't bring him in to play on Eddie Betts. He always destroys him.

We can take these suckers.

IN: WINDERLICH
OUT: GUMBLETON

[Blowfly]

I reckon Welsh will come in. I understand he got through Bendigo OK and he's our VC so he won't be left in the Magoos for 2 weeks. Plus he owns Judd.

The Age reports Welsh didn't get through entirely unscathed

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hahn-suffers-injury-in-vfl-comeback-20100731-110o3.html

In the same match, Essendon's Andrew Welsh, also coming back from injury, copped a blow to the ribs, though Bombers development coach Shannon Grant was confident Welsh would be available next week.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hahn-suffers-injury-in-vfl-comeback-20100731-110o3.html

Although Grant says he will be available I get the impression he did not get a full game under his belt, so might be held back - and Judd looks doubtful to play at any rate.

[rioli brownlow]

IN: Slattery
OUT: Gumby

Hurley to go forward due to the lack of height/talent in the Carlton forwardline.

in.myers
out. gumby.

i reckon play hooker at chf, leave hurley in the backline.

[LeeARM]

In: Winderlich (if not Welsh)
Out: Gumby

I'm still thinking we should play Hurley up forward but as he's finally finding some confidence down back it wouldn't hurt to leave him there so I think Neagle should play CHF while we have Hille, Ryder, Reimers and Hardingham rotating through full forward.

B: McVeigh Hurley Fletcher
HB: Dempsey Hooker Hocking
C: Zaharakis Watson Colyer
HF: Monfries Neagle Reimers
F: Davey Hille Hardingham
R: Ryder Winderlich Lonergan
IC: Stanton Prismall Houli Howlett

[yaco55]

IN: Slattery
OUT: Gumby

Hurley to go forward due to the lack of height/talent in the Carlton forwardline.


Ben

Slattery will probably resume at Bendigo.

Has missed 4 weeks like last time and he resumed through Bendigo.

In Winderlich
Out Gumbleton

Doubt that they will play Carlisle although it would enable us to keep the same structure.

[bombersaway]

IN: Slattery
OUT: Gumby

Hurley to go forward due to the lack of height/talent in the Carlton forwardline.


please leave him in one spot

[Ben the Gooner]

Ben

Slattery will probably resume at Bendigo.

Has missed 4 weeks like last time and he resumed through Bendigo.

In Winderlich
Out Gumbleton

Doubt that they will play Carlisle although it would enable us to keep the same structure.

Needs must.

please leave him in one spot

To play on whom?

[Skeeta Olly]

Henderson, Fisher and Setanta? Yes they're not the greatest forwards but someone still needs to make sure they kick no more than 2 or 3 goals.

Biggest worry are the smalls though, Betts the hardest one.

[Call Me Cake]

I actually like the idea of Hurley going forward and covering Gumbleton's gap. Against the Blues at least. Slattery would be a good replacement down back, considering Carlton's lack of talls.

I understand that Carlisle did good in the 2's, but he just seems too flimsy for AFL football. Needs a little more time to mature, there's quite a bit of difference between the two leagues (duh)...

If Davey is out, bring in Jetta to cover the speed.

As for Welsh, it all depends on whether Judd will play.

The other option?

Bring in Carlisle and roll the dice. Keep Hurley down back and try to play more defensive than attack.

[Nasty Penguin]

Gumby out moves hardingham as a starting forward bring in winder if he's fit as he'll add even more pace to that side. Hurley provides more down back than up forward his run and carry is elite down there. Atkinson or Jetta in if winders aint fit. Looking forward to another friday night of dominance :D

[kelvin_sheedy]

Outs: Gumbleton(inj), Prismall
Ins: NLM, Winderlich

[eth-dog]

Fletcher(Henderson)-Hooker(Setanta)-McVeigh(Betts)
Stanton(Garlett)-Hurley(Fisher)-Hocking(Yarran)

I like that structure

[Ben the Gooner]

Henderson, Fisher and Setanta? Yes they're not the greatest forwards but someone still needs to make sure they kick no more than 2 or 3 goals.

Biggest worry are the smalls though, Betts the hardest one.

Are they playing all three?

Dear god, Ratten's worse than I thought.:eek:

[footycool]

Henderson, Fisher and Setanta? Yes they're not the greatest forwards but someone still needs to make sure they kick no more than 2 or 3 goals.

Biggest worry are the smalls though, Betts the hardest one.

Trees offer more than those three

[HFF_07]

LOL..

Setanta has played 2 games in the past 6 weeks. LOL.

The last being a 58 - 12 loss to the Dogs in round 15.

[sup3rfish]

how bout Still?! goin alrite in the twos from what ive heard and wil play similar role to gumby...

or how bout bring in Maragilani and play forward line

Zaka - Neagle - Reimers
Monfries - Hille/Ryder - Davey

[Big Blow Hard]

Don't think Margliani is fit (did he even play yesterday?)

Would not mind seeing NLM bought in for this one, he brings the mongrel in games like this, maybe even as a forward.

With Ryder and Hille rotating forward, with Hardingham and Neagle, perhaps a tall for Gumby replacement is not the right option.

But that said, if Winderlich fit, has earned an instant recall.

[Prismalldon #9]

In:Winders
Out:Gumby

only forced changes needed

[Knight Ryders]

Are they playing all three?

Dear god, Ratten's worse than I thought.:eek:

My thoughts exactly. Could also be some big names missing this week given the rant that Ratten gave after the match. (My DT pleads for Scotland to not get dropped).

Structure wise, I think Knights likes three big talls up forward so I do think he may take a chance on Carlisle/Still or play Hurley down forward. I don't know much about Carlisle or Still, but imagine playing your first game in front 75,000. Awesome.

Very hard to drop anyone on Friday nights performance, so I'm predicting either Winderlich to come in for Gumby or if he doesn't come up, young Carlisle to get a run.

[bombersaway]

Needs must.



To play on whom?


whoever lines up there, i agree it might not be the bestforward line for us to have 3 tall defenders and there is plenty to offer having him forward i'd just like to see him settled for the rest of this year, its been a big one for him in more ways than one and he's found some form there

[bombersaway]

In: Winderlich (if not Welsh)
Out: Gumby

I'm still thinking we should play Hurley up forward but as he's finally finding some confidence down back it wouldn't hurt to leave him there so I think Neagle should play CHF while we have Hille, Ryder, Reimers and Hardingham rotating through full forward.

B: McVeigh Hurley Fletcher
HB: Dempsey Hooker Hocking
C: Zaharakis Watson Colyer
HF: Monfries Neagle Reimers
F: Davey Hille Hardingham
R: Ryder Winderlich Lonergan
IC: Stanton Prismall Houli Howlett


i think you have nailed it. I thought neagle looked really good up the ground early on fri but he wont have the fitness to go all night plus no gumby makes it tougher,
winderlich can rotate through the square as well if %100

but maybe nat rat to play chf or even he's pace down back could be handy, ive loved stants back the last 2 weeks but in saying that he could get found out by one of there smalls they are too quick for him

[Big Blow Hard]

Any news on the seriousness of Judds injury. That'd be a shame if he didn't come up.

[Godzke]

no sarcasm in that post haha

[Big Blow Hard]

no sarcasm in that post haha


Was it that obvious? I even left off the sarcasm smiley to try and hide it. :p

[beev]

Only forced changes are needed.

In: Winderlich (Welsh)
Out: Gumbleton

IN: Slattery
OUT: Gumby

Hurley to go forward due to the lack of height/talent in the Carlton forwardline.

:confused:

I think we no why Hurls has found form; because he has settled down into one position. Finally. Ive been crying out for it all season even though i expected him to be played up forward.

Carlton will most likely have Henderson and Fisher with Hampson rotating through the forward line. Hurls is definitely needed down back to cover those mentioned. Also important for Fletch so he can cover a small if needed and create without having the pressure of a key post and supporting Hooker and the small defenders.

[bombersno1]

Hurley to stay back and take Waite probably. Plus I like him down back anyway, he is not a natural forward, leave him to develop down back.

In: Jetta
Out: Gumby

Lets run them off their feet, play a small forward line, with Neagle as the focal point.

[Charliebrow 16]

In: Winderlich
Out: Gumbleton

Although I'd love to get NLM back in there and playing a forward role. I think he could be exceptionally dangerous.

[daffo]

Out : Gumby
In : Jetta

[pazza]

Either no change or like for like - Carlisle in for Gumbleton.

[Godzke]

And why would we not bring in Winderlich if available?

[pazza]

And why would we not bring in Winderlich if available?

It's a broken hand...get him right and bring him in for Collingwood, where he will be needed as opposed to this week.

[Godzke]

If he's right to go then he's right to go as far as I'm concerned.

[hank31]

If he's right to go then he's right to go as far as I'm concerned.

Here here!! good to see some sense on this board :thumbsu:

[pazza]

If he's right to go then he's right to go as far as I'm concerned.

Not worth the risk...besides, you don't change a winning line-up necessarily unless there is a need to do so structurally.

Last i looked, Winderlich ain't no CHF.

[Itsmyshow]

If Winder is available and declared fit he is a must select on form this year. :thumbsu:

Love to see Jetta back in the side, but if he misses, so be it, there were not too many that deserve to be dropped on last week... If Davey fails to come up, then slot Jetta back in...

Would rather not see Slattery selected though, ill discipline costs us..

Neagle looked good further up the ground and with Ryder/Hille deep we possibly don't need a like swap for Gumby, so has to be...

In - Winder
Out - Gumby

[bombermick]

We need a forward to replace Gumby. The worth of Ryder/Hille is much higher as a third tall to stretch opposition defences. It's not nearly as effective if they are merely replacing somebody else at FF. Carlisle may not be dangerous in his first game, but he'll force somebody to man him up and allow Hille and Ryder to be more dangerous. Otherwise T.Slatts can play and Hurley can go forward.

[Sin City]

Sorry to hear about Gumby.

Is there going to be another banter thread on this board?

[Kong]

Sorry to hear about Gumby.

Is there going to be another banter thread on this board?You'd like that, wouldn't you boy? :cool:


:p

I'm pretty sure Ben's talking it over with ODNs as we speak. :thumbsu:

[KnaveyBlue]

Judd's shoulder is fine. Now it's just a matter of selecting 21 witches hats to take the field with him.

[keepzitreal]

In:

Carlisle - Looked good.. good game to make his debut..

Jetta

Out:

Gumby

Davey

[CarlosSETANTA]

One way or another, our season ends on Friday night from my point of view. It's either our last respectable contribution to the AFL season by ensuring these ***** don't make the finals, and essentially booking our spot in making up the numbers.

I reckon we'll win this one, albeit in ugly fashion. Where I think we'll succeed where St Kilda didn't, is that we have the players to tag Essendon's midfielders en masse. St Kilda didn't pay Essendon that respect, instead preferring to play the likes of Hayes and Dal Santo head to head with Watson and Stanton, and paid the price for it. In fairness to the Saints, the loss of Jones and Baker would not have made that an easy task.

For mine, it's shut down Jobe Watson, beat Essendon. Jobe's performances are somewhat lower against Carlton than compared to his career averages, last time around, we were prepared to have Kade Simpson run head to head against him, and whilst Simmo was probably our best on the night, and kicked two going the other way, I reckon Watson got the three Brownlow votes on the night. In recent years, we've tried Gibbs on him without much luck, and Grigg did a serviceable job last year before Watson went off injured, and I'd like to see Grigga get the lockdown job here too.

Stanton is another one I'd like to apply a hard tag to. He runs hard and has a massive tank, he sets up a lot of their scoring chains, and is a smart player. On the other hand, he's shown he struggles to break a tag, and is quite inconsistent. I don't think Carrazzo has the motor to go with him, and got absolutely pantsed by him last year. I'd give the job to Walker. There's no obvious matchup for him in the Essendon forward line as such, he's got the mongrel in him to frustrate Stanton at the stoppages and also run with him.

A real probing question at the moment will also be how do we stop Michael Hurley's run out of the back half? Hurley managed to rack up 30 touches and 13 marks, running off Koschitzke on Friday night, and I get the feeling that this could quite easily be another Brian Lake scenario. It's also the first time he's ever played against the Blues ("gee, you don't see that very often, do you?"). Waite has to play forward here, and play deep. No excuses. As I've said a few times this year, rewatch the tape of the Saints match and see how well he managed to keep Gilbert accountable. This has to happen again, and we didn't have that luxury against Lake.

Heath Hocking is another bloke who consistently lifts against us. Will take either Murph or Judd, and has done alright this year on the opposition's best midfielder. Am hoping it's Murph, as I think the West Coast game showed, with LeCras tearing him a new one, he can struggle one out with a smaller quicker opponent in the forward 50, as he can be found to over-rely on his teammates to give him a chop out. If he goes to Murph, we need to be willing to send him forward, and try and create the necessary space to isolate them.

Houli was probably BOG for the Bombers on Friday night, but the flaws in his game are still fairly obvious, he doesn't man up, and his disposal by foot is questionable. Put Ryan Houlihan on him, as arguably our most damaging player in terms of, ahem, "scoreboard pressure", and test this out. HOULIhan on Houli you say? What an enticing prospect.......

The Ryder/Hille conundrum is one that will, if anything, highlight how big a hole Kreuzer leaves more than any other challenge this season. While I think Warnock will certainly hold his own around the ground, I simply can't see who mans them up when one goes forward, with Waite needed up forward. Bower presents the best option for Ryder at this point, and would keep his spot based on this alone, despite his absolute shocker of a game against the Pies. Thornton is well undersized, Austin doesn't quite look right to me playing deep in defense, and would probably give Jamo first crack at Neagle. Simon White would be very handy right about now. I reckon play the third ruck, and hope we can tire them.

Monfries is another that keeps me awake at night. The diving for free kicks, the junk time goals last year and so forth. Regardless, did a hell of a job on Sam Fisher as a defensive forward on Friday night, and I expect him to go to Russell (or perhaps vice-a-versa). Should be a decent battle between the two '04 draftees.

I expect Fisher to stay in, to reprise his role as a defensive forward on Fletcher from last year. Ratten still raves about that performance, which really wasn't THAT great, but seems to have kept him in a job, along with the convenience of having a one year deal that others did not at the time. Oh well, regardless, ton up for Fish.

Joseph did a decent enough job on Zaharakis last time around to probably replicate it this time around, did a respectable job on Davis yesterday, whilst Zaharakis copped a hiding from Goddard. Otherwise, perhaps a run with role with Davey?

Will be a decent challenge for Eddie to go up against McVeigh after he towelled up Milne last week. Betts does have one thing going for him in that McVeigh is a **** of a bloke, I suppose.

So my ins and outs? Not exactly set in concrete pending the VFL game today, butttttttt........

In: Thornton, Armfield, Robinson, Jacobs, Houlihan
Out: Carrazzo, Garlett, Henderson, Johnson, Ellard

B: Thornton Jamison (Neagle) Russell (Monfries)
HB: Joseph (Zaharakis) Bower (Ryder) Scotland (unaccountable)
C: Walker (Stanton) Judd (Prismall) Grigg (Watson)
HF: Houlihan (Houli) Waite (Hurley) Yarran (Reimers)
F: Betts (McVeigh) Hampson (Hooker) Fisher (Fletcher)
R: Warnock (Hille) Murphy (Hocking) Simpson (Lonergan)
INT: Armfield, Robinson, Jacobs, Gibbs (definitely 22nd man)

[The Donners]

Only the forced change with Gumbleton.

Myers or Winderlich (if right). I don't think Carlisle or Still are up to AFL at this stage.

[The Donners]

In:

Carlisle - Looked good.. good game to make his debut..

Jetta

Out:

Gumby

Davey

Is Davey injured? He's our leading goal-scorer.

[Jonesy1987]

he's got the mongrel in him to frustrate Stanton at the stoppages.

Heath Hocking is another bloke who consistently lifts against us. Will take either Murph or Judd, and has done alright this year on the opposition's best midfielder.

Houli was probably BOG for the Bombers on Friday night, but the flaws in his game are still fairly obvious... his disposal by foot is questionable.

While I think Warnock will certainly hold his own around the ground

Monfries is another that keeps me awake at night. the junk time goals last year and so forth.

Joseph did a decent enough job on Zaharakis last time around to probably replicate it this time around

Will be a decent challenge for Eddie to go up against McVeigh after he towelled up Milne last week. Betts does have one thing going for him in that McVeigh is a **** of a bloke, I suppose.


My favorite parts :D

[Godzke]

Not worth the risk...besides, you don't change a winning line-up necessarily unless there is a need to do so structurally.

Last i looked, Winderlich ain't no CHF.
Err. Have you looked at the ample KP options we have to rotate between the rucks, forwards and backs? Winders must come in if he's 100%. Him and Watson had half our clearance count vs. the Kangaroos. Could relieve a LOT of pressure in the middle for Watson, Stanton and Hocking.

If we match their midfield we'll win. Our KPs are so much ****ing better than theirs, we just haven't got the elite midfield to sustain reliable feed.

If structure was such an issue then someone like Prismall or Howlett will have to make for Winders and NLM comes in as another tall option (who can also rotate through the middle). Pretty sure NLM's record against the Blues is pretty good.

[Donakebab]

Looks like some nice copypasta from Carlos there, if you're going to post on our board, post something which we might actually care about.

As others have said, retty obvious selections this week. Carlisle isn't ready yet and we don't exactly need the extra tall against Carlton. Winders pace will do us well and his clearance in the second half of the year has been top notch.

In: Winderlich
Out: Gumbleton

[Kong]

My favorite parts :DOh dear. :o

[Ben the Gooner]

Sorry to hear about Gumby.

Is there going to be another banter thread on this board?

You'd like that, wouldn't you boy? :cool:


:p

I'm pretty sure Ben's talking it over with ODNs as we speak. :thumbsu:

Correct.

Hocking on the opposition's best midfielder? News to me.

[Kong]

Ummm...

He played on Steve Johnson for about a quarter in 2009; does that count?

[Donakebab]

Played on Goodes for a while in round 11.

What do I win? :D

[Ben the Gooner]

I suppose Mark Le Cras is West Coast's best midfielder by default.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18558779#post18558779

[Prismalldon #9]

Houli was probably BOG for the Bombers on Friday night, but the flaws in his game are still fairly obvious, he doesn't man up, and his disposal by foot is questionable. Put Ryan Houlihan on him, as arguably our most damaging player in terms of, ahem, "scoreboard pressure", and test this out. HOULIhan on Houli you say? What an enticing prospect.......



Didnt watch the game on Firday i am guessing

[HurleyLegend]

Looks like some nice copypasta from Carlos there, if you're going to post on our board, post something which we might actually care about.

As others have said, retty obvious selections this week. Carlisle isn't ready yet and we don't exactly need the extra tall against Carlton. Winders pace will do us well and his clearance in the second half of the year has been top notch.

In: Winderlich
Out: Gumbleton

Yep, agree.

Sux about Gumby, he's developing really well imo

[The Fact]

IMO we got unstuck in the swans game going in a tall short. IMO we should bring in Tom B(to sneak a few extra games into him before next year because we all now at some stages next year he will be needed) and put paddy at CHF.

Now i know we have Fletcher, Hooker and Hurley down back but we need to have Fletcher as 3rd man up, creating or on the resting ruck man up forward not being a KKP because if we try to play Hurley up forward the blues will try to expose us with height down back, meaning Hurley will have to go back leaving us with 1 tall forward and a resting ruck man and how much better has our structure been having 2 key targets with a paddy or Hille floating in.

So IMO Out: Gumby In: Tom B or at least Carlisle

[Donakebab]

TBell didn't play in the magoos last week, foot still seems to be causing problems. With Calrton's lack of talls there is no rush to bring in a player under an injury cloud in TBell or a player who just isn't ready for seniors yet in Carlisle.

[The Fact]

TBell didn't play in the magoos last week, foot still seems to be causing problems. With Calrton's lack of talls there is no rush to bring in a player under an injury cloud in TBell or a player who just isn't ready for seniors yet in Carlisle.
Rrr i forgot about that but i still reckon maybe put in Carlisle

[bombermick]

For those just want want Winders in for Gumby, what do you propose we do for CHF? I don't think Ryder or Hille should play CHF. They're more dangerous closer to goal where they can make the Carlton defenders ultra-nervous. Neagle could play CHF but we then lose a tall forward, which reduces the effectiveness of the rucks playing forward.

Hurley could play CHF, but we then lose a key defender. Perhaps against Carlton we can get away with just the two tall defenders, but not against Collingwood.

[The Donners]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18558779#post18558779

I don't have permission to access this page. Care to revoke my ban? I'll play nice! :thumbsu:

[Call Me Cake]

For mine, it's shut down Jobe Watson, beat Essendon.

True. It's just that simple.

We've never beaten you by 12 goals without him. :thumbsu:

[ajam87]

I reckon Welsh will come in. I understand he got through Bendigo OK and he's our VC so he won't be left in the Magoos for 2 weeks. Plus he owns Judd.

Great call! He would have the biggest impact

[The House]

This week is so goddamn hard to do ins and outs.....

To me I don't want to change our structure by losing Gumby and not bringing in a tall somewhere, but on the other hand if Winders is fit he must come in, and if Judd's playing, Welsh almost certainly has to go to him.

Finally watched the Bendigo game yesterday and Carlisle looked more ready than i've seen so far, and couldn't help but think he might provide a handy option against Carlton, and release some pressure off our other forwards......at 197cm they'll have to but Bower or Jamison on him, and with Hardingham, Neagle and a ruckman up forward, may force Carlton into playing Waite back, or even better, playing O'Hailpen anywhere.

So by my theory, 3 ins that would all add an important element to our game, but the hard part, who to drop?

Obviously Gumby out, but as important as the ins are, i just cannot find a way to justify dropping any other players from the 22.

Prismal and Lonergan were crucial with their strong inside work last week, particularly in the firt half when the game was won, Houli, Howlett, Colyer, and Zaharakis were all too good to drop, particularly because they add pace, Hocking and Stanton provided plenty off half back, Spike clearly the best small defender....not easy!

Would be very harsh but probably have to drop Dempsey for Winders, and who to drop for Welsh to tag Judd?....wow-ee that's a hard one!

My simpathy is with the selection commitee this week, that's for sure.

[bombermick]

A really tough selection this week. As House says, Carlisle in would put pressure on their defence and perhaps force Ratts to play Waite in defence. The last thing we want is Waite playing forward. Welsh would be a good in for Judd. We can't allow him to go head-to-head against any of our mids. Winders is an automatic in if fit. We need every topline midfielder we've got against the Blues. Having a rough go at this:

In: Carlisle, Welsh, Winderlich
Out: Gumby, Reimers, Prismall

[hank31]

A really tough selection this week. As House says, Carlisle in would put pressure on their defence and perhaps force Ratts to play Waite in defence. The last thing we want is Waite playing forward. Welsh would be a good in for Judd. We can't allow him to go head-to-head against any of our mids. Winders is an automatic in if fit. We need every topline midfielder we've got against the Blues. Having a rough go at this:

In: Carlisle, Welsh, Winderlich
Out: Gumby, Reimers, Prismall


Why why why why why????

Why does everyone always want wholesale changes???

YOU DO NOT DISRUPT A WINNING FORMULA, UNLESS FORCED!!!

Therefore it makes it quite easy, Gumby out for Licha!:thumbsu:

[thebigboy]

Prismall is improving with every week and Reimers has 1 off day and we want them dropped?

Was I at a different game?

In:Winderlich
Out: Gumby.

You don't drop young kids after they put in a performance like that.

[The House]

Why why why why why????

Why does everyone always want wholesale changes???

YOU DO NOT DISRUPT A WINNING FORMULA, UNLESS FORCED!!!

Therefore it makes it quite easy, Gumby out for Licha!:thumbsu:

It's not easy, but i certainly don't consider them wholesale changes.

Winders in is obvious.
Welsh is in to shut down Judd, a job he does better than any others.
Carlisle is the obvious choice to replace the missing tall forward.

The changes are only put forward to improve the team.

I did say last week we won't make the 8 and therefore should give our young guys a go v Hayes, Del Santo etc, but after an unbelievable round of results, we now are in a posi that if we win 3 out of 4 we'll probably sneak in and get another final or two into our young guys.

That's the only reason i'd give Welsh to Judd, but if Knights leaves him out, tbh i'd understand completely.

I also wouldn't be against gumby out, winders in either, although it does affect our structure and as a result, i think Ratten would be hoping we do go in with one less tall, because it makes his job, winning, easier.

Very hard selection this week and i'm not sure their is a perfect solution.

[table tennis]

Licha in, Gumby out.

Let's burn them with te extra pace, have a midfielder that has pace rotate forward and throw thier defence.

Time to burn bomber boys!

[pazza]

Club has said it will be Welsh with Licha to miss 1 more.

[AVCO]

bring in slattery to play on airhead betts ..he will destroy betts like he always does ...hey guys if you got a mortgage to pay try borrrowing some money and banking it on the bombers at 1.95 head to head ..its a sure bet !!!!

[whats_at_stake]

Club has said it will be Welsh with Licha to miss 1 more.

Where does it say that??? If Welsh was not VC then NLM would be in. He did not even get through the Bendigo game? Also in the Age article it mentions Hille is VC (do we have two?)

[U Got Reimered]

Where does it say that??? If Welsh was not VC then NLM would be in. He did not even get through the Bendigo game? Also in the Age article it mentions Hille is VC (do we have two?)

I just read that article too.. What's the deal?

If Welsh isn't 100% he should not be selected, because if he can't keep up with Judd, he will serve no other purpose.

[Blueboys7]

Another win to the Bombers I feel. :(

[efcboy]

winderlich had a broken hand - all the comments sound like it will be a rushed effort for him to play. play it safe and give him one more week i say.

out: gumby
in: carlisle (good strong marking display in ordinary conditions on saturday. deserves his chance)

emergencies: lovett-murray, myers, atkinson

welsh was very ordinary in the vfl, h.slattery deserves to play being vfl also.

[bombermick]

Let's hope Knighta learns from Malthouse and begins to ignore reputations. Welsh would be okay this week, but players like Welsh, Slattery and NLM should be depth players, rather than automatic best 22. Pick the team on form and team balance rather than reputation. The fact that Welsh is VC or has been a great servant for the club shouldn't mean he comes back in automatically.

[EVERLAST]

Out - Gumby
In - NLM

Incidently, our defence may be too tall against their smaller forward line

[Prismalldon #9]

Out - Gumby
In - NLM

Incidently, our defence may be too tall against their smaller forward line


Now that you mention those small forwards. Would Atkinson be a chance to come in and play on one of Betts, Garlett or Yarran

[EVERLAST]

Now that you mention those small forwards. Would Atkinson be a chance to come in and play on one of Betts, Garlett or Yarran

I'm a huge fan of Axe, but how many changes can we have from a winning team?

Hard to find a player who deserves to be dropped right now.

Good problem to have.

[bombersno1]

Now that you mention those small forwards. Would Atkinson be a chance to come in and play on one of Betts, Garlett or Yarran

I would hope not. Too flash in the pan for my liking. As much as it PAINS me, the only change will be Welsh for Gumby, mind you I'd rather Myers come in instead.

[stay true]

Prismall is improving with every week and Reimers has 1 off day and we want them dropped?

Was I at a different game?

In:Winderlich
Out: Gumby.

You don't drop young kids after they put in a performance like that.
I totally agree. Prismall played one of his best games on Friday. Disposal was very good. I even mentioned this during the game to my mates.

Just like last week, forced changes only. Gumby the only out.

[Prismalldon #9]

I'm a huge fan of Axe, but how many changes can we have from a winning team?

Hard to find a player who deserves to be dropped right now.

Good problem to have.

Yer no one was bad last week really and everyone did their bit.
Im interested to know who will line up on the 3 small boys down in the carlton forward line.

[bombersno1]

Yer no one was bad last week really and everyone did their bit.
Im interested to know who will line up on the 3 small boys down in the carlton forward line.

Would make sense for Fletcher to take Betts as lets be frank if Carlton are a chance, Betts is their main forward to kick a score. Hurley to take Waite (who will play forward if Ratten is not completely stupid), Hooker to take Henderson. Garlett is the one that is probably more difficult, but lets wait for their team as they may make a fair few changes.

[Vass38]

Hopefully minimal changes to a winning formula.
OUT: Gumby
IN: NLM

You would think Hurley will go forward in Gumby's absence, so NLM (who was great with Bendigo last week & is versatile) can come in and play down back.

Id like to see;-

Dempsey Fletch McVeigh
NLM Hooker Reimers
Stanton Watson Zaharakis
Monfries Hurley Davey
Hardingham Neagle Houli

Hille Hocking Prismall

Howlett Lonergan Colyer Ryder

We should be able to get over the line with that team and keep our very slim finals hopes alive

[Pocket_Pears]

Hopefully minimal changes to a winning formula.
OUT: Gumby
IN: NLM

You would think Hurley will go forward in Gumby's absence, so NLM (who was great with Bendigo last week & is versatile) can come in and play down back.

Id like to see;-

Dempsey Fletch McVeigh
NLM Hooker Reimers
Stanton Watson Zaharakis
Monfries Hurley Davey
Hardingham Neagle Houli

Hille Hocking Prismall

Howlett Lonergan Colyer Ryder

We should be able to get over the line with that team and keep our very slim finals hopes alive

Why not just play NLM at half forward? Better to keep Hurley in the position where he is dominating.

[TeamHurley]

Who is going to play on Garlett and Yarran?

[Kong]

Please not Hocking.

McVeigh and depending on how their forward line is strucutred, Fletch?

How's Hank travelling?

[efcboy]

i think most are forgetting that stanton will be playing off half-back.

most likely defensive matchups IMO:

garlett - stanton
yarran - reimers
betts - mcveigh
henderson - hurley
houlihan - fletcher
waite - hooker

if hurley goes forward then fletcher takes henderson, hocking goes to houlihan. houli is another option to potentially play in defence. i see no reason for h.slattery to be rushed back in after missing 4 weeks.

personally i'd like hurley to stay in defence for the moment as he appears more comfortable there. carlisle should be given his chance up forward.

[U Got Reimered]

i think most are forgetting that stanton will be playing off half-back.

most likely defensive matchups IMO:

garlett - stanton
yarran - reimers
betts - mcveigh
henderson - hurley
houlihan - fletcher
waite - hooker

if hurley goes forward then fletcher takes henderson, hocking goes to houlihan. houli is another option to potentially play in defence. i see no reason for h.slattery to be rushed back in after missing 4 weeks.

personally i'd like hurley to stay in defence for the moment as he appears more comfortable there. carlisle should be given his chance up forward.

I thnk we should try shake it up a bit and try for a different structure. How about:

Garlett - Hurley
Yarran - Hurley
Betts - Hurley
Henderson - Hurley
Houlihan - Hurley
Waite - Hurley

With Stanton, Reimers, McVeigh, Fletcher and Hooker playing as loose men in defence? O even push them all forward and have an 11 man forward line?

(This joke may bite me on the bumb Friday night)