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bombermick
7 Aug 2010, 11:13
woeful kicking at goal but he was the only player who looked dangerous last night. His marking is extraordinary and he could have easily been the hero last night. That mark at the end of the game was a beauty. Too bad about the kick afterwards. :o He has to work on that goal-kicking but we have a beauty here. Michael who?
Frothies Mcveigh
7 Aug 2010, 11:19
Could of been one of the marks of the year if he had of hung there instead of completely jumping over the pack :p
Mr.Kennedy
7 Aug 2010, 14:36
He looks like he is going to be a gem. Wouldn't worry too much about his radar, that can be fixed.
That's what they said about T.Cloke!
Skeeta Olly
7 Aug 2010, 14:48
Made a joke that he'll probably kick like Travis Cloke last night before the game, was talking about his VFL form.
I'm sorry.
bombermick
7 Aug 2010, 15:52
That's what they said about T.Cloke!
His kicking was fine against North and Saints. Let's hope it was a one-off. What a pair of hands! He and Colyer were really the only things to take out of tonight. Perhaps Hurley too.
He reminds me a lot of Russel Robertson in the way he plays. He's a good find for us, we really needed a medium sized forward that could take a contested grab. The impressive part was he was taking those grabs over Jamison who is their KP defender, so when we have a proper structure again he will only be getting 3rd tall or a Flanker so will be very hard to stop. By the sounds of it his kicking was hot and cold at bendigo as well so hopefully with some more practice in the future he can get more consistent.
Beerfish
7 Aug 2010, 17:31
Made a joke that he'll probably kick like Travis Cloke last night before the game, was talking about his VFL form.
I'm sorry.
Just stfu before each game brah.
You're killing us.
SirJimi05
7 Aug 2010, 19:18
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
The Great Barry Besanko
7 Aug 2010, 22:09
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
:confused: strange statement. 6 shots at goal in just your 3rd game is not a bad effort. First time at the 'G' would have made him nervous.
He looks really good, shown alot of potential so far.
With Gumby, Hurley or Neagle, Williams (if he gets back to his best) and Hardingham looks like we have potential for a fairly dangerous forward line for the next few years.
bacon buster
7 Aug 2010, 23:32
he should be no more than the 3rd option if we're going to be a good side.
last night he was the 1st, and best option, and we struggled massively.
at least he tried his guts out though. kicking was just an aberration i think.
Told everyone he is a backmen, his kicking proves it :p:D
Call Me Cake
8 Aug 2010, 01:08
6 shots at goal in just your 3rd game
7 shots.
kicking was just an aberration i think.
As iwas for the entire team...
He should be no more than the 3rd option if we're going to be a good side.
I disagree. We finally have someone who makes our shit delivery into the forward 50 look good. If anything, he should be getting more and more shots on goal, as he's actually capable of this. Inaccuracy plagued the whole team on Friday, and yet people will be so quick to jump on this guy's routine...
gPhonque
8 Aug 2010, 03:59
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
Ridiculous comment.
He's played 3 games and has looked decent in each of them. He is (apart from Hille and Ryder when they drift forward) the only guy in our forward 50 at the moment who even looks like taking a mark when it's kicked to him. Neagle flukes one occasionally. Monfries falls over playing a free kick every time he gets within 10 meters of the ball. At least Hardingham looks like a chance each time.
I don't know if he's going to keep it up/improve, but to write him off as a pretender after 3 decent games during which he has repeatedly taken some good strong contested grabs is just dumb. :thumbsd:
Knight Ryders
8 Aug 2010, 07:32
Let's not make jokes about Cloke's kicking....we all know he'll kick 6 straight next week... (****ing same as Tredrea, gives me the shits!)
Considering Hardingham has spent the last two years in the WAFL with East Freo as a backman and represented WA as a defender last year, plus started in defence this year for Bendigo. I reckon his radar will be a bit astray, I watched him playing for my WAFL club East Freo since his debut, started as a forward with the taste for the big hang, kicked 35 - 40 one year to top East Freo's goal kicking award. Loves the big mark, if he can kick 35 -45 goals a year as your 3rd forward option then I reckon you fella's are on to a winner here.
Hopefully for Essendon, Hurley and Gumbleton, with another ex East Freo boy in Paddy Ryder drifting up forward could provide enough of forward distraction for Essendon in the future, to allow the likes of a Hardingham to go under the radar and kick you fellas a few goals each week. The good thing about Hardingham is that, he plays as a medium forward but has the marking ability of a tall forward....along with the leg speed of Colyer, Essendon have a good variety of future forward options......
kelvin_sheedy
8 Aug 2010, 09:52
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
SirJimi and I are in agreement. :confused:
EssendonPride
8 Aug 2010, 11:24
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
Kinda glad I checked your post history before going with what I had planned, bit hard to tell you're taking the piss (given alot of peoples attitudes around here).
Anyway:
He's kicked 8 goals in his first 3 games, Monfries closest with 7.
He's taken 15 marks inside 50. Our next closest is Monfries/Neagle with 5.
He's had 15 scoring shots (Kicking against Blues was obviously pretty bad). Our next closest is Monfries with 8.
I wish the rest of our forwards would look even remotely as dangerous.
bombermick
8 Aug 2010, 12:30
He's a pretender is a strange comment to say the least. Even taken into account his shocking inaccuracy on Friday, if his last three weeks were replicated he would kick more than 60 goals for the season. This when we're struggling to find someone to kick more than 30 for the year.
We would struggle if he was our no.1 forward target but as a third target he would be great. Anyone have video of his mark at the end of the 4th?
kelvin_sheedy
8 Aug 2010, 12:37
He's a 184cm forward and his only trick is high leap marking.
I don't think that's sustainable for a career when you have serious kicking deficiencies. I can see him becoming a poor mans Medhurst at best.
* making this judgement based on 3 games but what the hell.
SirJimi05
8 Aug 2010, 12:42
Next time I shall remember to insert an icon which will help people better pick up on the sarcasm.
Personally, I'm not overly concerned about his goal kicking at this stage. His technique looks fine and I like the way he has the same set routine he goes through. Just looked a little nervous before each set shot and took a little bit too much time (looked to be thinking about it too much).
He also seemed to stab at a couple instead of really kicking through the ball. All simple things that can easily be ironed out. No major flaws with his technique which is the main thing.
bacon buster
8 Aug 2010, 12:43
I don't think that's sustainable for a career when you have serious kicking deficiencies. I can see him becoming a poor mans Medhurst at best.
??
i don't think anyone is (or should be) suggesting that he will be our trump card and primary forward.
as the icing on a cake, he could be a very handy player.
SirJimi05
8 Aug 2010, 12:48
He's a 184cm forward and his only trick is high leap marking.
I don't think that's sustainable for a career when you have serious kicking deficiencies. I can see him becoming a poor mans Medhurst at best.
* making this judgement based on 3 games but what the hell.
The fact that he is actually a defender does not qualify as another trick? :confused:
Can you please bespecific in regards to his kicking. If it is a serious deficiency you should atleast be able to outline exactly where the problem lies. His technique lookes ok to me.
Could probably get a bit more steam on approach and kick through the ball abit better but nothing major or "serious" from what I can tell.
Call Me Cake
8 Aug 2010, 12:51
What's with this "1st target", "3rd target" bullshit?
If you ask me, all of our forwards should be the 1st target, the only thing that should change is the circumstance.
Hardingham is nothing more than a pretender.
Not sure if serious.
The way you defend Houli and then take a crack at Hardingham bewilders me.
EDIT: Sarcasm noted.
kelvin_sheedy
8 Aug 2010, 13:18
The fact that he is actually a defender does not qualify as another trick? :confused:
Can you please bespecific in regards to his kicking. If it is a serious deficiency you should atleast be able to outline exactly where the problem lies. His technique lookes ok to me.
Could probably get a bit more steam on approach and kick through the ball abit better but nothing major or "serious" from what I can tell.
I haven't analysed his action completely but there's something that just doesn't look right when kicking.
I've seen him about 6 times now, including nab adn vfl, defence and forward, and every single time he's sprayed the ball.
We haven't seen him play defence at AFL level and his kicking scares the crap out of me if were to be played there. Personally I think he's another flash in the pan who'll get worked out easily and won't be able to make up for his flaws.
Ben the Gooner
8 Aug 2010, 13:44
What's with this "1st target", "3rd target" bullshit?
If you ask me, all of our forwards should be the 1st target, the only thing that should change is the circumstance.
I think it's more about the defender opposition coaches would send to each forward. Neagle/Williams would take the first, Gumby the second and Hardingham the third IMO. That doesn't mean we should look for them in that order.
SirJimi05
8 Aug 2010, 13:54
I haven't analysed his action completely but there's something that just doesn't look right when kicking.
I've seen him about 6 times now, including nab adn vfl, defence and forward, and every single time he's sprayed the ball.
We haven't seen him play defence at AFL level and his kicking scares the crap out of me if were to be played there. Personally I think he's another flash in the pan who'll get worked out easily and won't be able to make up for his flaws.
Sorry I thought you were specifically refering to his goal kicking. I haven't seen much of his field kicking but from what I saw in the NAB cup I would be inclined to agree that it doesn't look great.
It would be interesting to hear hear the thoughts from W.A posters who had the chance to watch him more closely over a prolonged period.
bombermick
8 Aug 2010, 15:03
Watching some highlights of the 4th (enough to make anyone depressed) the commentators were comparing him to Russell Robertson, which is not a bad comparison. Robbo wasn't someone you wanted to base a forward line around, but he was a very dangerous marking target. Hardingham could do much worse than to replicate Robbo's career.
I haven't analysed his action completely but there's something that just doesn't look right when kicking.
I've seen him about 6 times now, including nab adn vfl, defence and forward, and every single time he's sprayed the ball.
We haven't seen him play defence at AFL level and his kicking scares the crap out of me if were to be played there. Personally I think he's another flash in the pan who'll get worked out easily and won't be able to make up for his flaws.
Kelvin
Should we get rid of hardingham or M.Williams ?
kelvin_sheedy
8 Aug 2010, 18:27
Kelvin
Should we get rid of hardingham or M.Williams ?
M. Williams should be offloaded. He should never have been traded for and it makes me feel sick seeing us waste picks on guys like him.
Hardingham is a speculative rookie pick/psd and is a punt. He's shown enough to get another year.
Ridiculous comment.
He's played 3 games and has looked decent in each of them. He is (apart from Hille and Ryder when they drift forward) the only guy in our forward 50 at the moment who even looks like taking a mark when it's kicked to him. Neagle flukes one occasionally. Monfries falls over playing a free kick every time he gets within 10 meters of the ball. At least Hardingham looks like a chance each time.
I don't know if he's going to keep it up/improve, but to write him off as a pretender after 3 decent games during which he has repeatedly taken some good strong contested grabs is just dumb. :thumbsd:
100% agree!!
Especially about Monfries going to ground so often. It's seriously a problem
Think he's looked great for you guys, and someone I genuinely enjoy watching.
He's won the confidence of your midfield through his training/Bendigo form, as they are kicking the ball to him regularly.
Hope he can carry on his form for the rest of the year.
HurleyLegend
9 Aug 2010, 21:03
100% agree!!
Especially about Monfries going to ground so often. It's seriously a problem
i've noticed it too. Monfries needs to lift big time
kelvin_sheedy
14 Aug 2010, 10:12
Couldn't get near it. A quality defense exposes him as a one trick pony.
Call Me Cake
14 Aug 2010, 10:17
Couldn't get near it. A quality defense exposes him as a one trick pony.
Reactionary post.
Where were you when he had 8 scoring shots last week?
The only thing that let him down at the time was his accuracy, which was what the whole team was suffering from.
He's only played 3 games so far. Consistency will come with time.
Last night, it was more-so our delivery into the forward line than anything else. It was embarrassing. The ball just couldn't get through from the middle, turn overs after turn overs after turn overs....
Get your hand off it.
table tennis
14 Aug 2010, 10:52
Reactionary post.
Where were you when he had 8 scoring shots against the Saints?
Are you saying St Kilda's defense isn't quality?
The only thing that let him down at the time was his accuracy, which was what the whole team was suffering from.
He's only played 3 games so far. Consistency will come with time.
Last night, it was more-so our delivery into the forward line than anything else. It was embarrassing. The ball just couldn't get through from the middle, turn overs after turn overs after turn overs....
Get your hand off it.
I think u mean the Carlton game. He didn't have 8 shots at goal vs st.kilda.
Call Me Cake
14 Aug 2010, 11:02
I think u mean the Carlton game. He didn't have 8 shots at goal vs st.kilda.
Touché. (fixed)
With that said, didn't he have like 2 goals against St Kilda?
He still went into the Carlton game 6:1. Had 8 scoring shots (2:6) and came out 8:7.
Sure, he's had an inconsistent game against Collingwood, after 3 games... what 21 year old hasn't? And this is without focusing on our midfield...
Reactionary at it's best. As of yet, the positives far outweigh the negatives.
jonesy86
14 Aug 2010, 14:24
I think most teams will now treat him as a KP forward and play a tall on him.
His first few games teams played him as if he was a flanker and he dominated in the air. Last night he was introduced to the glove.
bombermick
14 Aug 2010, 22:10
We should have been able to take advantage of the Pies playing Presti on him. Instead Neagle was pathetic. Malthouse obviously rates Hardingham if he plays his best defender on him. It's an indictment on us that a guy who has played a handful of games is attracting the opposition's best defender and we are unable to expose them via other options.
Poorly managed by Knights on the night.
Should have been moved up the field.
I suppose it gave presti the chance to play on a different opponent.