View Full Version : Changes for the Pies
BomberTime
7 Aug 2010, 12:32
Lets move on quickly and look ahead to arguably one of the the biggest challenges in football at the moment.
I understand there is a vfl game today and some reports to some players so i may add to this but at the moment i would have
Outs: Davey (inj), Lonergan, Prismal or Reimers (were both terrible last night)
In: Jetta- Straight swap for Froggy
Carlise- I think we broke down around CHF, we really missed Gumbys work last night. Sure Jake might not quite be ready but he is another tall with a great set of 'stewie Lowe bucket hands' and will be great experience playing in front of 75,000 plus. Give him a taste of AFL and it allows us to play our three tall forward line which seems to work well.
Myers- Give him 3 weeks in the middle to work with jobe and Howlett, if he performs like he did during the middle part of the year it will provide a good building block for next year and will instil some confidence in the kid.
But i know Slattery and Dyson will walk straight back in after a loss like that.:o
Skeeta Olly
7 Aug 2010, 12:34
Depends on reports.
Could be as bad as OUT: Lonergan, Dempsey, Hille, Davey,
EVERLAST
7 Aug 2010, 12:36
Aside from Davey's forced omission, I'd like to see very little changes.
I'm curious to see how they respond after an embarrassing match like that.
I'd also like to see more tactical coaching from Knights.
Incidently, should we be embarrassed again against the Pies next week, every supporter will have every right to sink the boots into both coach and players and I'm tipping the board will be seriously considering for possible coaching candidates for either 2011 or 2012.
Knights is running low on positives at present.
BomberTime
7 Aug 2010, 13:01
I completely forgot about Dempsey, he had the most disposals but refused to man up for the majority of the night. Dont think he will get dropped but this should highlight the fact he is not a defender, lets push him up onto a wing or forward flank. If he does what he did against carlton last night to the Pies, it will be over by quarter time just like Anzac day. Hope they remember how to tackle during the week and try give the pies a bit of a shake up before they start their finals. If Myers plays i wouldnt mind him going to Swan so he can see the amount of work that is necessary to be a top line AFL midfielder. At least for some of the match, i understand he will get smashed but it is a good lesson.
I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in Carlisle next week. He's still very skinny and raw but some experience couldn't hurt him, it would help our forward structure and it's not like we've got much to play for anyway.
I assume Jetta will come in for Davey if he plays well in the VFL and the rest will depend on reports.
Prismalldon #9
7 Aug 2010, 13:29
Aside from Davey's forced omission, I'd like to see very little changes.
I'm curious to see how they respond after an embarrassing match like that.
I'd also like to see more tactical coaching from Knights.
Incidently, should we be embarrassed again against the Pies next week, every supporter will have every right to sink the boots into both coach and players and I'm tipping the board will be seriously considering for possible coaching candidates for either 2011 or 2012.
Knights is running low on positives at present.
Yes We have seen the potential this current 22 has. Its just a matter of consistency. Which is easier said then done IMO
I only wanna see changes if the players in the 2's put there hand up for selection.
So the only change for now would be Davey, the obvious replacement would be jetta, but I would only put someone in who really plays well.
In Slattery. Hocking back to where he was playing before he had to play in the back-pocket because Slattery was out.
*grabs popcorn*
Knight Ryders
7 Aug 2010, 13:53
I'd like us to not go wholesale for a change and put the onus on players such as Prismall (effort good, disposal shit), Reimers, Houli etc to lift next week. What we should have learnt from this year is making changes from week to week is not the answer. These players have proven they can play well so put it back on them to bring it next week.
I wouldn't mind another look at Myers and T.Slattery this week if there are guys who can't get up for the match. We know there will be at least one change with Davey.
Skeeta Olly
7 Aug 2010, 13:56
In Slattery. Hocking back to where he was playing before he had to play in the back-pocket because Slattery was out.
*grabs popcorn*
According to Koala/Saladin on BB, he's killing Medhurst.
no literalo
Its a practice game for Collingwood, they could field 2 teams that would beat Essendon.
Doesnt matter who we play, half are below AFL standard anyway.
Worst Essendon team I have ever seen.
I think the last few weeks we need to see who can play and who can't..
Time to make some tough changes to the list at the end of the year IMO..
Its a practice game for Collingwood, they could field 2 teams that would beat Essendon.
Doesnt matter who we play, half are below AFL standard anyway.
Worst Essendon team I have ever seen.
Sheedy's team of 15 straight losses say, "urrrrrgggghhhahhhhherrrrr"
Mrs Mercuri
7 Aug 2010, 17:31
OUT- Davey (inj)- Lonergan or Reimers
IN- Natrat and Henry Slattery
Myers, Atkinson and Carlisle would be pretty close to getting a recall as well. Need to keep Prizz in the side, yes he was poor last night but he needs to string a few games together to try and get his confidence back.
Ben the Gooner
7 Aug 2010, 17:37
No comment until MRP, tbh.
Out: Davey (inj) Lonergan (suspended), Prismall, Dempsey (omitted)
In: Atkinson, Myers, Jetta, Lovett-Murray/Carlisle
matty lloyd the champ
7 Aug 2010, 18:05
Ins: Melksham/Jetta and Carlisle
Out: Prismall and Davey
Prismall should be traded at the end of the year, looks nothing like the player he was 12 months ago. HIs skills are not the problem but rather his decision making. Trying to pinpoints passes to 50-50 situations are not smart in the defensive fifty.
Fletch went off with a tight hammy last night - might he miss??
Out: Davey, Lonergan, Zaharakis
IN: Jetta, Carlisle, Slattery
Out; Davey (inj), Lonergan ( susp ), Dempsey ( omit/susp )
In ; Myers, Jetta, NLM
- Jetta straight swap for Davey
- NLM to play Dempsey role
- Myers and Hocking to share Lonergan role.
Nasty Penguin
7 Aug 2010, 22:05
Straight swap Bendigo plays in the afl and the seniors go back to the vfl
Is there any chance that Crameri could be promoted this week ?
AhSteveSteve27
8 Aug 2010, 06:55
Only players who deserve spots: Jobe, Hille, Hardingham, Fletch, Hurley, McVeigh, Howlett. Hooker, Lonergan and Colyer unlucky. At least 12 changes this week. I'd include Winders but that guy is in serious pain. Huge heart, but don't see the point really.
wholesale changes needed this week for what in all likelihood will be a bloodbath of epic proportions if the squad that played on friday role up,
so chuck our best untried raw talent in to give em a taste, albeit a bad one
sup3rfish
8 Aug 2010, 13:54
very little changes IMO.... OUT- Davey(inj), Lonergan(susp) IN- Carlsile and Myers
Carlisle to play the Gumby role, run and create space and get a feel for the BIG time....
Myers to play in the middle or take over from Hocking and they can share a run with role on Swan...
bombermick
8 Aug 2010, 22:32
We should be trying out players for next year and the seasons ahead. Finals are now an impossibility. Bring in Carlisle to play the Gumby role and bring in Myers to replace Lonergan's clearance work. Also have a look at bringing in Jetta and Muscles.
TheDon35
9 Aug 2010, 11:59
If Myers can't get a game this week then obviously there's a deeper issue. He's in the best every week which would indicate that he's doing what is asked from him.
One of the more confusing attempts to stall a career I can recall.
Thanks Ignighter.
Depends on reports.
Could be as bad as OUT: Lonergan, Dempsey, Hille, Davey,
hille wont go out
he hit him with his arm
the replay saw that
Mr Mojo Risin
9 Aug 2010, 13:53
I would like very little changes, only those that are forced. Make the players who put in that performance against Carlton atone. I don't like to see wholesale changes after one poor loss, remember the two weeks before were wins against finals contenders. Make wholesale changes next week if the effort is not there this week. I don't expect to beat Collingwood but the effort must be a lot better.
Out: Davey
In: Jetta
The changes we make should be based on improving the structure and hence team, whether that's one change or eleven changes doesn't matter.
So with that said, Jetta in for Davey - obviously. Slattery in so to release Hocking elsewhere - I know everyone hates him, but that's another obvious structure change. Hocking is no good at back-pocket. He is good elsewhere. Slattery isn't bad at back-pocket. Everyone's a winner.
If Carlise has the fitness to run out a game at CHF, he's another in for the structure. If not we may have to bring in Bellchambers and play Paddy at CHF or something. Either way we need a proper CHF
Someone can find two players to take out.
If Lonergan goes, Myers comes in. Structure.
Slattery_20
9 Aug 2010, 14:17
Don't mind that, Phone.
I don't think Paddy will ever be a real lead-up, tho.
In: Slatts, Jetta, Carlisle
for Prismall, Davey, probably one of Houli/Reimers/Zaha?
Brent Prismall#9
9 Aug 2010, 17:00
Hille and Lonergan just got off the MRP. I'd stick with forced changes and give the players an opportunity to make up for the loss.
Out: Davey (Inj)
In: Jetta
BomberTime
9 Aug 2010, 17:56
I dont agree with this rubbish about leaving the team settled and letting them fight for retibution. Im sorry if you get pumped by 70+ points against a fairly oridinary carlton outfit you lose that right. Im not saying wholesale changes like we have seen several times this year but there should be at least 3 changes this week. Davey is an obvious one and 2 other lower performing players should face the chop. It does not send a good message to players busting their gut at Bendigo to earn a recall and these guys should be rewarded. A guy like David Myers has had his name mentioned in the bests after most Bendigo games this year and should be rewarded for taking his emission from the senior team well and working on his game hard in the VFL.
It is expected to have minimal changes if any after a win but not after an embarrasing performance like we saw on Friday night, lets give other players a chance to perform under the bright lights against the top ranked side.
In: Slattery, Carlisle, Myers
Out: Davey plus 2 others that aren't Houli
Just want to see Carlisle, Myers and Houli in the last 3 weeks.
IN: Jetta, Carlisle, Myers
OUT: Davey (inj), Reimers (omit), Winderlich (inj/rest. isnt 100%, no point playing him at this stage if he's not right).
B McVeigh Hooker Fletcher
HB Dempsey Hurley Stanton
C Colyer Watson Zaharakis
HF Carlisle Hille Hardingham
F Jetta Neagle Monfries
R: Ryder Hocking Howlett
INT: Prismall Myers Lonergan Houli
EM: Dyson Lovett-Murray H. Slattery
EVERLAST
9 Aug 2010, 19:16
Hopefully as little changes as possible.
Out - Davey
In - NLM
Ben the Gooner
9 Aug 2010, 19:24
OUT: Davey (inj), Winderlich (inj), Houli (omit), Reimers (omit)
IN: Jetta, Carlisle, H. Slattery, Myers
B: McVeigh - Hooker - H. Slattery
HB: Stanton - Hurley - Fletcher
C: Dempsey - Watson - Colyer
HF: Monfries - Carlisle - Jetta
F: Hardingham - Neagle - Zaharakis
R: Ryder - Howlett - Myers
I: Hille - Hocking - Lonergan - Prismall
I think we should make minimal changes.
Davey is a definite out, Winderlich is a maybe, the only omission I'd make would be Reimers as he could use a wake up call.
Henry Slattery would be a good idea because Hocking is not a back pocket, Jetta is an obvious replacement for Davey and I'm still not opposed to bringing in Carlisle for some experience/team stucture.
As for Prismall and Houli, I see them as trade bait so they may as well play the rest of the season.
Out: Davey, Reimers, Winderlich*
In: H.Slattery, Carlisle, Jetta*
bombers2011
9 Aug 2010, 19:53
Almost agree BTG, but I'd prefer Reimers to stay in. We desperately need aggression against the Pies and on the dark day that was ANZAC day 2010 he was clearly in our best few.
I also think that given Houli's contract status we'll probably be seeing him until the end of the year.
IN: Carlisle, Myers, Jetta, H Slattery
OUT: Davey (inj), Winderlich (inj), Lonergan, Hocking
B: McVeigh - Hooker - H. Slattery
HB: Stanton - Hurley - Fletcher
C: Dempsey - Watson - Colyer
HF: Monfries - Carlisle - Jetta
F: Hardingham - Neagle - Zaharakis
R: Ryder - Howlett - Myers
I: Hille - Houli - Reimers - Prismall
Ben the Gooner
9 Aug 2010, 20:18
Lonergan's report was dropped.
Been thinking more about the team in the last 24hrs.
Still think we operate better with 7 talls.
I would either bring in Carlisle to play the gumbleton role or bring in T.Slattery to play as the third tall in defence.
If we do this
Hurley vs Cloke
Fletcher vs Dawes
T.Slattery vs resting ruckman
T.Slattery and Fletcher can rotate if needed.
I would play Hooker as CHF - Was originally a forward, has a good tank, good mark, can read the play as a forward.
This can help the forward line is 4 ways
1) Releases Monfries to play more in the forward 50
2) Neagle to spend more time at FF
3) Hille/Ryder perform better up forward when they are the third tall
4) Isolate Maxwell - Dont rate him as a one on one defender - Thought he struggled at times against Mooney.
I would play Hooker as CHF - Was originally a forward, has a good tank, good mark, can read the play as a forward.
I wouldn't play Hooker up forward, simply because he always chooses to spoil instead of mark, sometimes even when he's unopposed.
Slattery_20
10 Aug 2010, 09:40
He'd play on from every mark.
Out: Davey, Dempsey
In: Jetta, Carlisle
daics cousin
10 Aug 2010, 10:28
I believe Collingwood may rest a few players,so i have a feeling that this could be a big danger game for us.
With everthing that has happened to the Bombers lately i believe the Bombers will come out breathing fire this week.
Lets not forget that the Bombers this year, have beaten a few top sides.
So the stage could set for an upset this week.
Also depends psycologically which collingwood side turns up.All i will say is they better not take the bombers lightly.
After all that Pies by 15 points.(If we are switched on)
Slattery_20
10 Aug 2010, 10:32
d_c, if you lot are switched on you'll win in a canter, 40-50 points.
If you're not, we might pip you, but Davey is a big out for us.
Nick Pie Man
10 Aug 2010, 16:22
Hey bombers fans. Looking forward to this Friday night. I reckon you're in with a shot .. you will bounce back after a humiliating loss and we are sore and tired after taking down the cats.
What do you reckon? Don't be too pessimistic!
When all is said and done though a victory won't change too much. Funny how the media can blow upset wins out of proportion.
He'd play on from every mark.
Would be happy for Hooker to play on from every mark - his role would entail him doing a lot of work outside 50 in the Gumby Role.
It would be counter-productive if Hooker didn't play on as often as possible.
TheDon35
11 Aug 2010, 04:28
OUT: Davey (inj), Winderlich (inj), Houli (omit), Reimers (omit)
IN: Jetta, Carlisle, H. Slattery, Myers
B: McVeigh - Hooker - H. Slattery
HB: Stanton - Hurley - Fletcher
C: Dempsey - Watson - Colyer
HF: Monfries - Carlisle - Jetta
F: Hardingham - Neagle - Zaharakis
R: Ryder - Howlett - Myers
I: Hille - Hocking - Lonergan - Prismall
Not prepared to cut Houli a weeks slack? Was pretty handy against the Saints in his first game back then had a let down last week (and was far from on his own).
For mine, situations like this become purely about list development. Guys like Houli need exposure at the top level or risk being irrelevant.
Slattery_20
11 Aug 2010, 07:53
Hey bombers fans. Looking forward to this Friday night. I reckon you're in with a shot .. you will bounce back after a humiliating loss and we are sore and tired after taking down the cats.
What do you reckon? Don't be too pessimistic!
When all is said and done though a victory won't change too much. Funny how the media can blow upset wins out of proportion.
If you rest about 8 and bring back Fraser/Presti/Lockyer, I give us a snowball's hope. That's about it.
Ben the Gooner
11 Aug 2010, 19:47
Not prepared to cut Houli a weeks slack? Was pretty handy against the Saints in his first game back then had a let down last week (and was far from on his own).
For mine, situations like this become purely about list development. Guys like Houli need exposure at the top level or risk being irrelevant.
It's not so much that he had a poor game, but he was back to his old habits of poor awareness.
I'd rather give Myers and Carlisle a crack. Jetta and Slattery are non-negotiable ins for our structure IMO.
This'll all be wrong because Crameri is getting a gig apparently.
It's not so much that he had a poor game, but he was back to his old habits of poor awareness.
I'd rather give Myers and Carlisle a crack. Jetta and Slattery are non-negotiable ins for our structure IMO.
This'll all be wrong because Crameri is getting a gig apparently.
Ben
Think you are spot on about Crameri and Carlisle.
The 2 C's to debut for EFC this week !
Skeeta Olly
11 Aug 2010, 20:16
In: Jetta, Crameri, Carlisle,
Out: Davey,
Word is that Crameri and Carlisle will debut and that could be the only changes we make.
Ben the Gooner
11 Aug 2010, 22:15
In: Jetta, Crameri, Carlisle,
Out: Davey,
Excellent use of commas.
The Panther
11 Aug 2010, 22:26
My mail is that Fletcher, Winderlich & Davey are out. Fletcher done for the year.
saladin
11 Aug 2010, 22:56
My mail is that Fletcher, Winderlich & Davey are out. Fletcher done for the year.
reported as such on 3aw.
Looks like we will have a young team, especially if Winderlich and Fletcher are unavaialable.
Will need players like Hille, Stanton, Ryder, Mcveigh to show leadership.
A few outs so some new blokes get a go - side shld look something like this;-
McVeigh Hooker Hocking
NLM Hurley Stanton
Dempsey Howlett Zaharakis
Monfries Neagle Reimers
Hardingham Ryder Houli
Hille Watson Prismall
Colyer Jetta Carlisle Crameri
Hope we can at least come away with our heads held high from this match and dont get completely slaughtered...
Slattery_20
12 Aug 2010, 09:49
In: Jetta, Crameri, Carlisle,
Out: Davey,
Fletch definitely out, probably one of Prismall or Dempsey.
I'd bring in Myers for Hocking too.
bomberfan101
12 Aug 2010, 10:24
IN: Crameri, Carlisle, Jetta
OUT: Fletcher, Winderlich, Davey
Out : Fletch, Winder, Davey
In : Crameri, Carlise, Jetta.
Inclusions: Fletch, Winder, Davey.
Exclusions: Crameri, Carlise, Jetta.
Skeeta Olly
12 Aug 2010, 16:35
Inclusions: Fletch, Winder, Davey.
Exclusions: Crameri, Carlise, Jetta.
Looks likely.
Other changes could include IN: Myers, Atkinson OUT: Prismall, Dempsey
Expect Slattery to come in.
The Panther
12 Aug 2010, 16:38
Dyson is in.
Dyson is in.
Oh f***. :mad::mad:
Skeeta Olly
12 Aug 2010, 16:41
Houli out.
LOL
TeamHurley
12 Aug 2010, 16:46
This place is going to im/explode.
only disagree with dyson and not jetta in.
jonesy86
12 Aug 2010, 16:52
serious question... is houli a douche bag or a decent guy? or just an ordinary footballer?
i'm trying to figure why he can't get an extended run because if he is a good character and can't get a run there I'd be happy for MM to have a go at getting the best out of his footy
serious question... is houli a douche bag or a decent guy? or just an ordinary footballer?
i'm trying to figure why he can't get an extended run because if he is a good character and can't get a run there I'd be happy for MM to have a go at getting the best out of his footy
We have no idea, 2 weeks ago he was in our best 4 against St Kilda. One week later he plays average along with 20 mates and he is dropped.
Our coach has no idea what he is doing, 3 years in to his contract and he is still clueless to who our best 22 are.
Team is in..
Thread closed.