View Full Version : Is Haddin an automatic inclusion for the Gabba?
Johnson#26
8 Oct 2010, 21:07
Gee I hope not.
wavefall21
8 Oct 2010, 21:31
absolutely not, if he is an automatic selection for the Gabba if fit then i'll go he, I may as well give up on supporting the Aussies
The guy hasn't had any cricket since feb/march, surely he has to earn his spot, Paine hasn't done much wrong since being in the team
It is the Aussie selectors...I would be holding my breath at this stage :/ they do like to piss us off.
At this exact moment, yes. If Paine scores 200 runs in the next test or Haddin spuds it up for NSW than obviously everything changes.
Yes no questions about it. Paine may be a much better keeper. However Haddin is twice the batsmen Paine will ever be.
The Reaper
9 Oct 2010, 03:07
Yes no questions about it. Paine may be a much better keeper. However Haddin is twice the batsmen Paine will ever be.
And has half the brains of Paine as well.
Doodlesweaver
9 Oct 2010, 08:16
Yes no questions about it. Paine may be a much better keeper. However Haddin is twice the batsmen Paine will ever be.
You don't know that. Haddin hasn't that great a record at test level and Paine looks a more thoughtful character all round. He's certainly patient and doesn't appear particularly reckless with a bat in his hand which is Haddin's real problem.
Reincarnation
9 Oct 2010, 11:40
He should be. This bagging of everyone in the Australian team and boosting everyone that isn't is getting a little tiresome.
If Tim Paine showed that much he would have replaced Haddin long before Haddin's injury.
If Haddin is fit, he plays.
He shouldn't be, but he is.
If Tim Paine showed that much he would have replaced Haddin long before Haddin's injury.
Would he? Healy had to be pushed to make way for Gilchrist, and look how that turned out. Neither Healy or Marsh really played their way into the Test side either.
Incumbency has gained too much weight in recent years.
holybishop
9 Oct 2010, 12:52
The keeper is always the safest spot in any cricket team, and is practically a concrete guarantee in an Australian team. Haddin is a poor batsman, throws away his wicket way too many times. Paine has jumped him.
bombersno1
9 Oct 2010, 14:02
I hope not, but frankly I know teh selectors have to keep the NSW boys happy. I would rather them play Usman and piss Haddin off. For every good innings Brad has, he has 10 dumb ones. I am sorry but I'll never forget his brain explosion in the Ashes getting caught at deep midwicket FFS!
The Reaper
9 Oct 2010, 14:09
I hope not, but frankly I know teh selectors have to keep the NSW boys happy. I would rather them play Usman and piss Haddin off. For every good innings Brad has, he has 10 dumb ones. I am sorry but I'll never forget his brain explosion in the Ashes getting caught at deep midwicket FFS!
It's not just once or twice.
But every time he makes a start he commits suicide
bombersno1
9 Oct 2010, 14:11
Yep. I would MUCH rather a batsman who values his wicket. Plus Paine can bat with the tail..Haddin just tries to hit the ball out of the park when he bats with the tail!
Bombers_Forever
9 Oct 2010, 14:16
No matter what Paine does, Haddin will get his spot back. I don't agree with it either, Paine has been great.
I hope not, but frankly I know teh selectors have to keep the NSW boys happy.
Right. So keeping Haddin in the side is to satisfy the NSW contingent, but Hussey and North are just really top blokes?
Give me a break.
bombersno1
9 Oct 2010, 14:22
It is the only way they can justofy having Haddin despite him barely performing when the pressure is on. Hussey as bad as he has been still averages close to 46, that is pretty good. North should be pissed off, I agree there.
Hussey's average in the last 2 years is 36, compared to Haddin's 39. He's made runs in the last 12 months, but look at the quality we've played.
bombersno1
9 Oct 2010, 14:47
He still averages decently, and that is the point. Would a new batsman do better than 36? Maybe, but at the same time I can see their view saying that the new batsman would not be any better.
North is awful.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be dropped, just that it's a bit rich to say that Haddin's in the team because of NSW quotas when he's clearly outperforming one or two other bats.
It's just conservative selection policy favouring incumbents, state of origin doesn't matter.
bombersno1
9 Oct 2010, 14:58
Haddin should not be in the side as he has too many brain farts during his batting. That is blind reality. He throws his wicket away far too often
leg_break
9 Oct 2010, 16:15
Yes. While he often gives his wicket away and is reckless he still averages close to 40, which for a keeper batsman is more than enough. He could be way better with the bat though if he applied himself more.
Dr Awkward
9 Oct 2010, 16:32
It's quite obvious that Paine is a superior player and also younger.
Based on that there is no doubt that the selectors will only consider Haddin.
OzBomber
9 Oct 2010, 17:58
I'd prefer to see Paine in the team, but knowing the selectors Haddin will play, and he'll play all 5 tests even if he fails and drops catches.
The Reaper
9 Oct 2010, 20:50
Right. So keeping Haddin in the side is to satisfy the NSW contingent, but Hussey and North are just really top blokes?
Give me a break.
All three should be dropped.
However in this case Haddin is already out of the team and his replacement is doing well.
It is easier for the selectors to not bring him back.
TheColeTrain
9 Oct 2010, 21:06
He should be. This bagging of everyone in the Australian team and boosting everyone that isn't is getting a little tiresome.
If Tim Paine showed that much he would have replaced Haddin long before Haddin's injury.
If Haddin is fit, he plays.
We are ranked 4th in the world now.
Simply not good enough so nobody should be secure in the side, especially a player who throws his wicket away like Haddin does when he needs to dig in and play a proper innings.
Paine 100% should be lining up at the GABBA
All three should be dropped.
However in this case Haddin is already out of the team and his replacement is doing well.
It is easier for the selectors to not bring him back.
Haddin is doing substantially better than North (if not Hussey) as a batsman alone.
Averaging 39 as a keeper-batsman is pretty damn good, especially given the fact his glovesmanship is quite competent these days. I'm not opposed to dropping him with an eye for the future, but the idea that the NSW mafia is preserving his place is absurd.
lionbear
10 Oct 2010, 20:35
Yes no questions about it. Paine may be a much better keeper. However Haddin is twice the batsmen Paine will ever be.
Haddin is not the batsmen paine is, I find haddin only makes big scores in games when Australia already have a lot of runs on the board and its a flat track.
I would have Paine in permantly, but I think the selectors will go with Haddin.
Bomber Bears
10 Oct 2010, 22:15
I'd be happy either way tbh. Haddin has the better record, has the better f/c stats, and was doing pretty well, his keeping had improved alot etc before he got injured. Paine has done surprisingly well in his absence.
I think Haddin will probably slot back in, but I wouldnt lose much sleep if they ended up going with Paine instead.
tazzietiger
10 Oct 2010, 22:56
Paine is going great and i think he should be kept in the side due to performance and age but no doubt Haddin will walk straight back in as he was performing well before his injury from my memory.
Ill Chicken
10 Oct 2010, 23:32
Paine for Tests, Haddin for ODI's & T20's.
bombersno1
11 Oct 2010, 14:46
Paine has a better T20 record- look at his Big Bash stats.
The Reaper
11 Oct 2010, 15:00
Haddin is doing substantially better than North (if not Hussey) as a batsman alone.
Averaging 39 as a keeper-batsman is pretty damn good, especially given the fact his glovesmanship is quite competent these days. I'm not opposed to dropping him with an eye for the future, but the idea that the NSW mafia is preserving his place is absurd.
There is no NSW mafia.
Nevertheless none of Haddin,Hussey or North should be in the team.