Brad Hodge

[benny_cousins]

Is their any reason Brad Hodge isn't playing One Day Cricket for Australia leading up to the World Cup? People would say he's too old but with the world cup only 5 months away he could be the difference. With his form at the moment he would almost be Australia's best batsman. How long will they let David Warner average 15 and still get a gig? And then throw average players like Adam Voges in?

[Smokey_22]

Yes he's too old for anything other than perhaps a WC swansong. You would think there are others in front of him in the queue though so he would want to have a spectacular season.
If he continues his form he may well get onto the squad. Actually getting in the team is another thing. His ODI form was very poor and my guess is that he wont get another chance on that merit.

[triplejdude]

People are still calling for Brad Hodge to play in the Australian team?

Keep dreaming, he will never play for Australia again.

[Dr Awkward]

He is just making a mockery of the selectors with these latest two tons. I would definately pick him in the world cup team, certainly a much better middle order option that Clarke. He would probably turn it on knowing that it would be his last international hit.

The problem is that he must not get along with some key members of the team. How else would you explain his continued non-selection? I think maybe Ponting doesn't like him.

[benny_cousins]

He is just making a mockery of the selectors with these latest two tons. I would definately pick him in the world cup team, certainly a much better middle order option that Clarke. He would probably turn it on knowing that it would be his last international hit.

The problem is that he must not get along with some key members of the team. How else would you explain his continued non-selection? I think maybe Ponting doesn't like him.

The longer his career goes on the sillier he makes the Australian selectors look. He should never have been dropped and he has proven the Australian selectors are a joke. A light blue cap instead of a dark blue one may have been the difference??

[Smokey_22]

He is just making a mockery of the selectors with these latest two tons. I would definately pick him in the world cup team, certainly a much better middle order option that Clarke. He would probably turn it on knowing that it would be his last international hit.

The problem is that he must not get along with some key members of the team. How else would you explain his continued non-selection? I think maybe Ponting doesn't like him.

The longer his career goes on the sillier he makes the Australian selectors look. He should never have been dropped and he has proven the Australian selectors are a joke. A light blue cap instead of a dark blue one may have been the difference??

Whinge all you want, but bottom line is he didnt make enough runs when he had his chance.

http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3330

Says it all. His ODI career was pretty disgraceful.

[bombersno1]

Have a look at his last ODI series. There lies the answer and at 35....he is hardly looking to the future.

[albundysmate]

he will never be picked for australia again. he can keep making all the 100s he wants but they won't pick him.

[Kim Hagdorn]

Was given a decent go but he was rubbish.

[Dr Awkward]

Whinge all you want, but bottom line is he didnt make enough runs when he had his chance.



I'm sorry but this is BS.

Why do some players get so many more chances than others. His domestic dominance has warranted way more chances than Clarke and most of the batting order.

And I know we are talking about ODI's here but in test cricket he averages 50 and scored a double century about 2 games before he got dropped.

It doesn't have anything to do with his performance or 'not taking his chances'. I've heard that he is a bit of a wanker and most the guys in the Aus team find it hard to get along with him. That is why he is not there.

Seriously don't talk to me about 'chances' M.Hussey averages 27 in his last 34 tests!

Clearly some players are blessed by the selectors and some aren't. Just like how D. Lehman was out of the team for so long whilst breaking just about every domestic cricket record we had.

[bombersno1]

He may have averaged 55..lets take out the double centry on a road (the same pitch that Jaques Rudoloph was made to look world class) and he has an ordinary record. You recon North is bad at everything or nothing, Hodge is just as bad.

As for Lehmann..have a look at that batting lineup, who exactly are you dropping?

[Reincarnation]

I'm sorry but this is BS.

Why do some players get so many more chances than others. His domestic dominance has warranted way more chances than Clarke and most of the batting order.

And I know we are talking about ODI's here but in test cricket he averages 50 and scored a double century about 2 games before he got dropped.

It doesn't have anything to do with his performance or 'not taking his chances'. I've heard that he is a bit of a wanker and most the guys in the Aus team find it hard to get along with him. That is why he is not there.

Seriously don't talk to me about 'chances' M.Hussey averages 27 in his last 34 tests!

Clearly some players are blessed by the selectors and some aren't. Just like how D. Lehman was out of the team for so long whilst breaking just about every domestic cricket record we had.

Why do people just bash Michael Clarke for the sake of it?

This thread is about ODIs so don't bring Hussey's test average into this. have a look at his ODI average and rejoin the party.

[Smokey_22]

I'm sorry but this is BS.

Why do some players get so many more chances than others. His domestic dominance has warranted way more chances than Clarke and most of the batting order.

And I know we are talking about ODI's here but in test cricket he averages 50 and scored a double century about 2 games before he got dropped.

It doesn't have anything to do with his performance or 'not taking his chances'. I've heard that he is a bit of a wanker and most the guys in the Aus team find it hard to get along with him. That is why he is not there.

Seriously don't talk to me about 'chances' M.Hussey averages 27 in his last 34 tests!

Clearly some players are blessed by the selectors and some aren't. Just like how D. Lehman was out of the team for so long whilst breaking just about every domestic cricket record we had.

What domestic dominance are you talking about? Be more specific.

Are you bringing tests into this now that your arguments have been shot down? Hodge and his test chances have been argued to death. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13419871#post13419871

[Dr Awkward]

Obviously I'm not suggesting that test dominance should be factored into ODI selection.

I'm suggesting two things:

1) There are extraneous reasons for his omission from international teams. There is friction between him and some key members of the squad and/or the selectors and there are certain people in powerful positions that don't like him. I'm not bagging them for doing this I'm not a Hodge lover, by all accounts he is not a good bloke, but imo that is what has kept him out of the side.

2) There are certain 'blessed' individuals who don't 'take their chances either and get selected. Put it this way: if M.North had scored 200 on a road he would not have been dropped 2 weeks later. You cannot deny that certain players are really bloody undeservedly lucky and some are really undeservedly stiff.

I have brought tests into the argument because the fact is that the selectors use other formats as a selection basis for a player. Clarke is captain of our T20 team, he has done sweet f*** all as a T20 player. Based on test form Paine wouldn't be getting a gig in our team atm, they liked his ODI form (and rightly so). Hussey seems to be upholding his test career on the basis of good batting in ODIs and T20s.

[Haze29]

This thread is about ODIs so don't bring Hussey's test average into this. have a look at his ODI average and rejoin the party.[/QUOTE]

I'd be a wanker too if I had posted 17 thousand First Class Runs and continually been overlooked.

Brad Hodge is the most in form batsmen Australia has at their disposal, if bringing him in "ruins the fantastic team chemistry" that has slid to 4th in the Test Rankings then so be it. They need to completely reinvigorate the Team and wheither the rest of Australia likes it or not, Brad Hodge at 34 is a much better bet than Marcus North, Mike Hussey, Michael Clarke and dare I even say it our skipper.

Give the man a chance, he deserved better than to be chewed up and spat out.

[thorne89]

Why are people talking about Marcus North and to a lesser extent Mike Hussey in this thread? Isn't it regarding the value Brad Hodge could bring to the ODI team? North isn't in that team, and Hussey was recently named batting at 3 in the ODI team of the year!!!

In a ODI sense, Hodge would be behind the likes of Callum Ferguson and Steve Smith for a middle order berth. I'd prefer the younger pups to be honest.

Not to say that Hodge wasn't a very gifted player, but his time has passed. Another of the (potentially) great batsmen to be around in the wrong era!

[shinboner magic]

Yeah lets look to the future when we can rebulid and there isnt a cup to win.
Play Hodge and stuff all these NSW players

[The 747]

Gun ODI player and would improve the side. But:

He is by all reports and interviews I have ever seen a wanker. So Dean Jones syndrome.

People sometimes mistake our terrible Test form with ODI form. Our ODI form is very very good and it is hard to bag selections in ODI cricket when we keep winning so much.

[lemon chicken]

The bloke should be playing for Australia in all forms of the game this summer. Stuff this crap of picking guys just coz they are young. We are now the 5th ranked test side and we dont want pick a team that could win a series. :eek:

[thorne89]

The bloke should be playing for Australia in all forms of the game this summer.

He really shouldn't be.

[eddiesmith]

He may have averaged 55..lets take out the double centry on a road (the same pitch that Jaques Rudoloph was made to look world class) and he has an ordinary record. You recon North is bad at everything or nothing, Hodge is just as bad.

As for Lehmann..have a look at that batting lineup, who exactly are you dropping?
Oh yes the great road that was so easy for batting

But I am yet to hear any person explain why with a pitch so flat the great batsmen around Hodgey who would all hold their spots for years to come, couldnt manage any runs at all? The highest score outside Hodgey was about 70, so if batting was so easy you gotta wonder why they drop the only player who could make runs...

BTW just curious, do you apply the same logic to Phillip Hughes? Take out his best game and then judge his performances? I assume not given that would put his average below Cameron White :)

[Rumblah#16]

Yeah lets play a bloke that leaves half way through a training session because he can't be bothered.

[Tom12]

Hodge in the ODI team would be a complete joke.
Our OD side should be looking at youth, Hodge has refreshed himself by retiring from FC cricket. Why bring him in now? He's hit a good patch of form against two average sides. I think I could've scored 120 against WA that night, it was all short.
Good domestic player, but picking him in the International side would be a wasted spot.

[western royboy]

Most people on here have alluded to the "real" reasons behind Brad Hodge's continual omission from various teams over the past ten or so years. It is not form related.

He originally missed out on a tour to SA just after posting his 200 against them losing a 50/50 call with Damien Martyn. Martyn was made the scapegoat after the 2005 Ashes but still held his spot in the one day team. It was suggested to me that Martyn was preferred by senior members of the team over Hodge for two reasons - he had a problem with really quick bowlers and wasn't the best tourist.

It is rumuored that he vented his displeasure at being overlooked at a Selector. The old adage "you can't fight city hall" rings true and this has not been forgotten at CA. Like M Elliot previously he has played sporadically when required but never left long in the "team" environment, join the dots. If you watch any of his interviews on Fox Sports he appears to me to be always having a veiled dig at the selectors, which is fine but it does him no favours.

At 36 with an ageing group, his days are unforunately over in Green & Gold.

[Smokey_22]

Most people on here have alluded to the "real" reasons behind Brad Hodge's continual omission from various teams over the past ten or so years. It is not form related.

He originally missed out on a tour to SA just after posting his 200 against them losing a 50/50 call with Damien Martyn. Martyn was made the scapegoat after the 2005 Ashes but still held his spot in the one day team. It was suggested to me that Martyn was preferred by senior members of the team over Hodge for two reasons - he had a problem with really quick bowlers and wasn't the best tourist.

It is rumuored that he vented his displeasure at being overlooked at a Selector. The old adage "you can't fight city hall" rings true and this has not been forgotten at CA. Like M Elliot previously he has played sporadically when required but never left long in the "team" environment, join the dots. If you watch any of his interviews on Fox Sports he appears to me to be always having a veiled dig at the selectors, which is fine but it does him no favours.

At 36 with an ageing group, his days are unforunately over in Green & Gold.

This is correct.
Playing 25 ODI's and failing in 20 of them also has something to do with it.

[benny_cousins]

Gun ODI player and would improve the side. But:

He is by all reports and interviews I have ever seen a wanker. So Dean Jones syndrome.

People sometimes mistake our terrible Test form with ODI form. Our ODI form is very very good and it is hard to bag selections in ODI cricket when we keep winning so much.

If we're not picking wankers then how does M. Clarke keep getting a game?

[rhaz]

He should at least be in the T20 team. Averaging 35 after 100+ games is ridiculous.

[pistonbroke23]

He may have averaged 55..lets take out the double centry on a road (the same pitch that Jaques Rudoloph was made to look world class) and he has an ordinary record. You recon North is bad at everything or nothing, Hodge is just as bad.

As for Lehmann..have a look at that batting lineup, who exactly are you dropping?
M waugh and M taylor are just 2 that spring to mind

[pistonbroke23]

Why are people talking about Marcus North and to a lesser extent Mike Hussey in this thread? Isn't it regarding the value Brad Hodge could bring to the ODI team? North isn't in that team, and Hussey was recently named batting at 3 in the ODI team of the year!!!

In a ODI sense, Hodge would be behind the likes of Callum Ferguson and Steve Smith for a middle order berth. I'd prefer the younger pups to be honest.

Not to say that Hodge wasn't a very gifted player, but his time has passed. Another of the (potentially) great batsmen to be around in the wrong era!
Wrong state you mean.

[bombersno1]

M waugh and M taylor are just 2 that spring to mind

You mean the best 2nd slipper we have had, as well as a good middle order bat..AND the test captain! Good luck with that one. Lehmann was not better than either one of them.

[jackster83]

He may have averaged 55..lets take out the double centry on a road (the same pitch that Jaques Rudoloph was made to look world class) and he has an ordinary record. You recon North is bad at everything or nothing, Hodge is just as bad.

As for Lehmann..have a look at that batting lineup, who exactly are you dropping?
Rudolph would be an improvement on North atm. Those conditions were in no way easy for batting and he had to face a whole day of Warne (after our imaginative skipper bowled him unchanged from the same end all day).

As for Lehmann, they did the dirty on him IMO. He went in for shoulder surgery to ensure he was right for the ashes and they never picked him again. As it turned out, our middle order were pathetic that series. :(

[Noobz0r]

How about we play our ODI middle order against the WA side that the Bushrangers played the other night and see how many runs they would make?

Would be a tough job avoiding a 100 tbh.

[bombersno1]

Rudolph would be an improvement on North atm. Those conditions were in no way easy for batting and he had to face a whole day of Warne (after our imaginative skipper bowled him unchanged from the same end all day).

Rudolph is rubbish. Hell even North is better and that is saying something, both should be in the $2 shop bin. The pitch was flat and it was not moving or spinning on a 5th day pitch. Terrible test match pitch!:thumbsd:

[FRUMPY]

people saying hodge has hit a form patch the last 2 games it a bit off the mark. His domestic one day form over the 2-3 years has been fantastic.

in the last 3 years he has scored the following centuries: 119, 116, 102, 103, 114, 113, 140, 134, 136 & 139. 10 centuries, not a bad effort.

His form has also coincided with the fact he realises he wont ever play for australia again. With the pressure off, he has released the shackles and plays care free cricket and his form has shown how good he can be.

Unfortunatly for him, in the ODI arena, he never really took his chances. He had a made some decent contributions against NZ for about 6-7 games, both here and there in 2007. Apart from that he never got going.

When the 20/20's came around, he should definetly been kept in there. was the best in the world and could have shown the aussies how to play it. But the aussies went for a youth policy and cant complain against that.

He is one of those blokes, like jamie siddons, darren lehamn (to an extent), david hussey, rogers, love, law who were just around at the wrong time. would get a game easily now if he was 5 years younger.

[TheColeTrain]

He may have averaged 55..lets take out the double centry on a road (the same pitch that Jaques Rudoloph was made to look world class) and he has an ordinary record. You recon North is bad at everything or nothing, Hodge is just as bad.

As for Lehmann..have a look at that batting lineup, who exactly are you dropping?
You really have NFI, every post just makes that more and more clear.
Derrrrr take out his 200 and then look at his average, how do you not realise how dumb that statement is, batting was so easy that nobody else in our lineup managed to make runs:rolleyes:
I imagine Rudolph had an easy time facing Warne all day long as well, your argument of Rudolph is just rubbish doesn't cut it either.

[whats_at_stake]

You really have NFI, every post just makes that more and more clear.
Derrrrr take out his 200 and then look at his average, how do you not realise how dumb that statement is, batting was so easy that nobody else in our lineup managed to make runs:rolleyes:
I imagine Rudolph had an easy time facing Warne all day long as well, your argument of Rudolph is just rubbish doesn't cut it either.

Was this the same Test where Rudolf scored that hundred and saved the match for RSA by drawing it? That was a good Test innings.

[mediumsizered]

If we're not picking wankers then how does M. Clarke keep getting a game?

Clarke is the anointed wanker. Having fallen over themselves so quickly to proclaim Clarke as the next Aussie captain, the selectors would look rather silly if they were to actually admit that maybe they got it wrong. Nah, they will continue to talk him up to save their own reputations.

[Bomber Bears]

Lehman always looked outclassed against the quicks at test level, similar to Brad Hodge. There's been many awesome first class cricketers who havent made the step up, eg Ramprakash and Hick in England, and I feel Hodge and Lehman are similar cases. I remember being at the SCG when the Saffers played Australia, near the end of the day, and the saffers set Hodge up just so easily to pop one to short mid wicket. It was just too easy.

[SurfingTheVoid]

Lehman always looked outclassed against the quicks at test level, similar to Brad Hodge. There's been many awesome first class cricketers who havent made the step up, eg Ramprakash and Hick in England, and I feel Hodge and Lehman are similar cases. I remember being at the SCG when the Saffers played Australia, near the end of the day, and the saffers set Hodge up just so easily to pop one to short mid wicket. It was just too easy.

Lehmann never had a problem against the quicks until he was close to retirement. His eye was always brilliant, eventually his age and fitness caught up to him near the end. He should always have been in the Test side ahead of M Waugh.

As for Hodge...regular ODI failure. Doesn't deserve another game at 35. Same as Bevo.

[Tom12]

It's more the fact that his domestic form hasn't translated to ODI form when he's gotten the chance.

Can't keep justifying him as a good pick when he regulary lets down the side.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Clarke is the anointed wanker. Having fallen over themselves so quickly to proclaim Clarke as the next Aussie captain, the selectors would look rather silly if they were to actually admit that maybe they got it wrong. Nah, they will continue to talk him up to save their own reputations.

Got it wrong in what sense?

[acuguy]

Our test team is struggling, our one day team is unsettled. All these anti Hodge sentiments are pure nonesense.

There was once a time in cricket where the dominant domestic players were picked for the national team- unfortunately that isn't the case anymore!

You can't pick blokes who don't make Shield and one day runs consistently and then expect them to start to do so on the National Stage.

Hodge should be in the ODI team opening with Watson.

I want our selectors to start picking teams based on runs and wickets, not on who they have a gut feel on or who they think might be able to perform!

[western royboy]

Lehman always looked outclassed against the quicks at test level, similar to Brad Hodge. There's been many awesome first class cricketers who havent made the step up, eg Ramprakash and Hick in England, and I feel Hodge and Lehman are similar cases. I remember being at the SCG when the Saffers played Australia, near the end of the day, and the saffers set Hodge up just so easily to pop one to short mid wicket. It was just too easy.

And that my friend, combined with the personality conflict was the reason why he rarely played after that point.

[eddiesmith]

As was discussed elsewhere the other day, there used to be a time when selectors sent someone back to domestic cricket to work on that problem and then given another chance if they do, the next season quite early on the Aussie players were all available and the Australian captain made sure that Hodgey got a real workout on the short stuff, he survived easily and made about 200 that day...

Every batsman has bad dismissals but most get another chance

I wonder what the opinion of Hodgey would be and his test record like if he accepted that contract offer from NSW around that time...

[Smokey_22]

Our test team is struggling, our one day team is unsettled. All these anti Hodge sentiments are pure nonesense.

There was once a time in cricket where the dominant domestic players were picked for the national team- unfortunately that isn't the case anymore!

You can't pick blokes who don't make Shield and one day runs consistently and then expect them to start to do so on the National Stage.

Hodge should be in the ODI team opening with Watson.

I want our selectors to start picking teams based on runs and wickets, not on who they have a gut feel on or who they think might be able to perform!

There hasnt been a season yet that Brad Hodge was the dominant domestic player. Players 10 years younger than him have been outperforming him in FC cricket and certainly at his age being good just isnt enough.

If you are trying to justify or argue Hodge being hard done by, at least provide some evidence. Its easy to argue 'Hodge has been making mountains of runs every season therefore he should be in.' Show some stats.

[eddiesmith]

Well I only went back 1 season and found Brad Hodge well and truly miles ahead of anyone else in the One day cup last season with 4 centuries, only 1 other person scored more than 1, the best average by far and nearly 100 runs more than the next closest batsman, the year before he was poor yet still score the most centuries again.

Went back another year and a better year and yet again the most centuries. None of the batsman above him played for Australia and most were not younger either

So in the 3 years he has been out of the ODI side he has easily been the best od batsman in that period and a brilliant 10 centuries in about 30 games, not bad considering in those years no other player has ever scored more than 2 in a season

Interesting to compare Hodgey and Clarke, both can be slow starters but if Hodgey reaches 100 he usually ends up with his strike rate over 100 as well

[western royboy]

My thought is that Clarke does not hit the ball in the air through the leg side. That's his major deficiency in limited overs cricket.

When in, Hodge can hit it literally anywhere.

[gbatman]

hodge is one of the most talented cricketers to see, especially live. Australia have wasted him. Batted guys who were past their use by date when Hodge was in his prime like Martyn who was a good player but lingered when Hodge was at his best. Luckily we had a super side and have been getting away with poor selection for many many years. We now longer don't have the stars who can carry 1-3 duds.

[Smokey_22]

Well I only went back 1 season and found Brad Hodge well and truly miles ahead of anyone else in the One day cup last season with 4 centuries, only 1 other person scored more than 1, the best average by far and nearly 100 runs more than the next closest batsman, the year before he was poor yet still score the most centuries again.

Went back another year and a better year and yet again the most centuries. None of the batsman above him played for Australia and most were not younger either

So in the 3 years he has been out of the ODI side he has easily been the best od batsman in that period and a brilliant 10 centuries in about 30 games, not bad considering in those years no other player has ever scored more than 2 in a season

Interesting to compare Hodgey and Clarke, both can be slow starters but if Hodgey reaches 100 he usually ends up with his strike rate over 100 as well

09/10 ODD:
Hodge: 622 @ 69 (dominant)

08/09 ODD:
Hodge: 311 @ 38 (the likes Rogers, Klinger, Ferguson all well ahead)

07/08 ODD:
Hodge: 350 @ 50 (the likes of Dighton, Elliot, D Hussey well ahead)

09/10 SS:
Hodge: 276 @ 70 (just 4 digs but Hughes/Smith/Klinger/Hussey far far ahead)

08/09 SS:
Hodge: 808 @ 61 (6th best with Klinger/Rogers/Hughes well ahead)

07/08: 762 @ 47 (Katich 1500 @ 94 was the dominant batsman)

In the past 3 seasons Hodge has had one dominant season in both formats of domestic cricket. Pretty solid for sure, but hes nearly 36 now and solid form is not good enough when guys 10-15 years younger are posting more impressive stats. If he continues his recent form this year and gets a call up to the WC squad, good on him. But his ODI form wont do him any favours.

[benny_cousins]

09/10 ODD:
Hodge: 622 @ 69 (dominant)

08/09 ODD:
Hodge: 311 @ 38 (the likes Rogers, Klinger, Ferguson all well ahead)

07/08 ODD:
Hodge: 350 @ 50 (the likes of Dighton, Elliot, D Hussey well ahead)

09/10 SS:
Hodge: 276 @ 70 (just 4 digs but Hughes/Smith/Klinger/Hussey far far ahead)

08/09 SS:
Hodge: 808 @ 61 (6th best with Klinger/Rogers/Hughes well ahead)

07/08: 762 @ 47 (Katich 1500 @ 94 was the dominant batsman)

In the past 3 seasons Hodge has had one dominant season in both formats of domestic cricket. Pretty solid for sure, but hes nearly 36 now and solid form is not good enough when guys 10-15 years younger are posting more impressive stats. If he continues his recent form this year and gets a call up to the WC squad, good on him. But his ODI form wont do him any favours.

I'm talking about 1 day cricket so not sure why you bring up Sheild cricket. And in the last 18 months he has been easily the best cricketer in the ODD comp. Average of 69 last season and already a 140no and 130no. And who gives a flying f@#$ about his age? The world cup is in 5 months!

[benny_cousins]

There hasnt been a season yet that Brad Hodge was the dominant domestic player. Players 10 years younger than him have been outperforming him in FC cricket and certainly at his age being good just isnt enough.

If you are trying to justify or argue Hodge being hard done by, at least provide some evidence. Its easy to argue 'Hodge has been making mountains of runs every season therefore he should be in.' Show some stats.

As I said, last 69 ave last year, I'd like to add this years totals to that average.

[pistonbroke23]

people saying hodge has hit a form patch the last 2 games it a bit off the mark. His domestic one day form over the 2-3 years has been fantastic.

in the last 3 years he has scored the following centuries: 119, 116, 102, 103, 114, 113, 140, 134, 136 & 139. 10 centuries, not a bad effort.

His form has also coincided with the fact he realises he wont ever play for australia again. With the pressure off, he has released the shackles and plays care free cricket and his form has shown how good he can be.

Unfortunatly for him, in the ODI arena, he never really took his chances. He had a made some decent contributions against NZ for about 6-7 games, both here and there in 2007. Apart from that he never got going.

When the 20/20's came around, he should definetly been kept in there. was the best in the world and could have shown the aussies how to play it. But the aussies went for a youth policy and cant complain against that.

He is one of those blokes, like jamie siddons, darren lehamn (to an extent), david hussey, rogers, love, law who were just around at the wrong time. would get a game easily now if he was 5 years younger.
There is a common denominator amongst all the players mentioned above.Throw in Dean Jones and any other unlucky player you can think of.All states represented except one.Think of every lucky player in history and one state is horribly over represented.

[pistonbroke23]

09/10 ODD:
Hodge: 622 @ 69 (dominant)

08/09 ODD:
Hodge: 311 @ 38 (the likes Rogers, Klinger, Ferguson all well ahead)

07/08 ODD:
Hodge: 350 @ 50 (the likes of Dighton, Elliot, D Hussey well ahead)

09/10 SS:
Hodge: 276 @ 70 (just 4 digs but Hughes/Smith/Klinger/Hussey far far ahead)

08/09 SS:
Hodge: 808 @ 61 (6th best with Klinger/Rogers/Hughes well ahead)

07/08: 762 @ 47 (Katich 1500 @ 94 was the dominant batsman)

In the past 3 seasons Hodge has had one dominant season in both formats of domestic cricket. Pretty solid for sure, but hes nearly 36 now and solid form is not good enough when guys 10-15 years younger are posting more impressive stats. If he continues his recent form this year and gets a call up to the WC squad, good on him. But his ODI form wont do him any favours.
His test ave. was mid 50s.He is cleary still the best one day player in aus. dom. cricket .Probably a better player than 4 of our current ODI side batsmen.The Hodge situation is a joke and i hope he launchs scathing attacks at the cocks who have held him back every time they interview him from now on like he did yesterday.

[Reincarnation]

but he failed in all his of odi innings apart from 5?

surely that means...go away you cannot cut it at international level?

[Noobz0r]

Saw an interview with him on FSN this morning, he was acting like a petulant child. I always thought he was unlucky to miss out after the way he started his test career, players have been retained in the side after a lot less success. But with the way that he spoke, and arrogantly claimed that if he made less runs he might get a gig, I can't imagine the selectors liking his form.

[Rumblah#16]

Saw an interview with him on FSN this morning, he was acting like a petulant child. I always thought he was unlucky to miss out after the way he started his test career, players have been retained in the side after a lot less success. But with the way that he spoke, and arrogantly claimed that if he made less runs he might get a gig, I can't imagine the selectors liking his form.

This is his problem. Sure he's made a ton of runs, but the bloke is an absolute baby and this is what's held him back.

[TheColeTrain]

Saw an interview with him on FSN this morning, he was acting like a petulant child. I always thought he was unlucky to miss out after the way he started his test career, players have been retained in the side after a lot less success. But with the way that he spoke, and arrogantly claimed that if he made less runs he might get a gig, I can't imagine the selectors liking his form.

Can you blame him?
Look qt the run that North has been given, Hodge is miles better and got treated like dirt by the selectors. Hussey has been a liability for the last 2-3 years but his place has never been questioned.
If I was Hosge I would be filthy as well, twice the batsmen North is, who probably didn't deserve a spot on the Test team in the first place.
It would be nice if somebody had the balls to call out the clowns on the selection table.

[eddiesmith]

09/10 ODD:
Hodge: 622 @ 69 (dominant)

08/09 ODD:
Hodge: 311 @ 38 (the likes Rogers, Klinger, Ferguson all well ahead)

07/08 ODD:
Hodge: 350 @ 50 (the likes of Dighton, Elliot, D Hussey well ahead)

09/10 SS:
Hodge: 276 @ 70 (just 4 digs but Hughes/Smith/Klinger/Hussey far far ahead)

08/09 SS:
Hodge: 808 @ 61 (6th best with Klinger/Rogers/Hughes well ahead)

07/08: 762 @ 47 (Katich 1500 @ 94 was the dominant batsman)

In the past 3 seasons Hodge has had one dominant season in both formats of domestic cricket. Pretty solid for sure, but hes nearly 36 now and solid form is not good enough when guys 10-15 years younger are posting more impressive stats. If he continues his recent form this year and gets a call up to the WC squad, good on him. But his ODI form wont do him any favours.
But looking at those last 3 seasons of OD form, there is no one even close to him over the 3 years and his last season and this season have been so dominant that he is by far the best OD batsman in Australian domestic cricket and there is no player 10-15 years younger dominating at all.

If you look at the couple of players 2-3 years ago that were doing better than him, only 1 of them is even in contention for higher honours, a couple of others retired and a couple of others not wanted, so really there is no one pushing harder for a spot. Yet you constantly see Marsh getting game after game no matter the form, Warner has done nothing really yet still they keep trying him out

No reason he should be overlooked for a one day spot other than maybe his poor record in India, but he deserves a few games this summer atleast but it wont happen because he dares to speak the truth, same happened to Nathan Bracken, he disappeared after public attacking the selectors

But Hodgeys problem is he does it himself, up north of the Murray they have their coaches to front the media and attack the selectors every time someone misses out

[Cousin Jed]

No reason he should be overlooked for a one day spot other than maybe his poor record in India, but he deserves a few games this summer atleast but it wont happen because he dares to speak the truth, same happened to Nathan Bracken, he disappeared after public attacking the selectors



Bracken's disappearance was due to the fact that he got injured.

[eddiesmith]

Bracken's disappearance was due to the fact that he got injured.
I thought he was also fit at one stage but still being overlooked? Maybe my memory is hazy

[TheColeTrain]

I thought he was also fit at one stage but still being overlooked? Maybe my memory is hazy

He publicly questioned then why he wasn't getting a go at Test cricket when he was at the top of his game in the OD side and never got a look. He wasn't a test bowler anyway IMO

[spanna050]

You have to laugh. All the whingeing going on from the Victorians because Hodgey didn't get a fair go, and the OP compares him to David Warner who opens the batting for a start, and has had all of 7 ODI innings!

[Kram81]

Shouldn't this thread be on the domestic board?

:)

[SurfingTheVoid]

People forget cricket is a team sport. Hodge is a toxic team member. It is as relevant as his ability.

[Martyn_30_]

People forget cricket is a team sport. Hodge is a toxic team member. It is as relevant as his ability.


How come victoria have been so dominant recently then?

[dan warna]

LOL at the brad hodge hate.

Not half the whinger Katich was, or the self promoting git brett lee was.

[Smokey_22]

LOL at the brad hodge hate.

Not half the whinger Katich was, or the self promoting git brett lee was.

Katich put his words into action and broke the all time run scoring record for a season as soon as he was dropped.

Hodge whinges every time he is interviewed. Its quite sad.

[pistonbroke23]

Katich put his words into action and broke the all time run scoring record for a season as soon as he was dropped.

Hodge whinges every time he is interviewed. Its quite sad.
Katich shifted to NSW .

[dan warna]

Katich put his words into action and broke the all time run scoring record for a season as soon as he was dropped.

Hodge whinges every time he is interviewed. Its quite sad.

he certainly does every time he gives up his wicket cheaply.

[Kim Hagdorn]

Not half the whinger Katich was, or the self promoting git brett lee was.

Those guys at least are players that performed for Australia, Hodge choked at international level when given a chance then cried like a girl.

[dan warna]

Those guys at least are players that performed for Australia, Hodge choked at international level when given a chance then cried like a girl.

LOL after his first couple of years, brett lee was carried by McGrath and warne and then served up a diet of 4 and 6 balls. and who can forget his embarrassing fist pumping action for getting a no.10 or no.11 batsman after being tonked around the ground for a day and a half.

Not half the bowler that Dizzy Gillespie was, and dizzy was never given half the chances lee was.

As for Katich, including him at the expense of a rampant Mike Hussey contributed to us losing the ashes in 05, and martyn's selection for that series was a joke.

Katich's test selection at the time was reward for crossing from WA to NSW.

[Kim Hagdorn]

. and who can forget his embarrassing fist pumping action for getting a no.10 or no.11 batsman after being tonked around the ground for a day and a half.



Haha, I have to give you that one. Went to a Test against New Zealand at the WACA around 2002 and after copping a pasting from Astle and Parore all day he leaped and danced around like a complete git after clean bowling gun kiwi batsman Shane Bond near the close of play. One of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen on a cricket field.

[Doodlesweaver]

As for Katich, including him at the expense of a rampant Mike Hussey contributed to us losing the ashes in 05, and martyn's selection for that series was a joke.

Katich's test selection at the time was reward for crossing from WA to NSW.

Wtf?

The guy who had been our best player in the year leading up to the 05 Ashes? That Martyn? Or have you just written the wrong name down?

Gilchrist's failure with the bat also contributed to us losing the Ashes, In fact it was nearly all the batsmen who failed fairly consistently throughout the series, it is tough to single out Katich as the main culprit. Not to mention Gillespie having a bowling average of about 100 by the end of the third test match.

If ever there was a case of collective failure, it was that series.

Maybe Punter and Warne as the exceptions. Everybody else was pretty trash.

[dan warna]

Wtf?

The guy who had been our best player in the year leading up to the 05 Ashes? That Martyn? Or have you just written the wrong name down?

Gilchrist's failure with the bat also contributed to us losing the Ashes, In fact it was nearly all the batsmen who failed fairly consistently throughout the series, it is tough to single out Katich as the main culprit. Not to mention Gillespie having a bowling average of about 100 by the end of the third test match.

If ever there was a case of collective failure, it was that series.

Maybe Punter and Warne as the exceptions. Everybody else was pretty trash.

Fair call, but IMO the game was lost at the selection table when the selectors left out the form batsmen of Aus.

Mike Hussey being dropped after the ODI's and him slaughtering the brits in the domestic county competition after slaughtering them in the ODIs makes it a complete joke that he was left out because of english conditions...

Martyn was badly out of form leading into that series, despite being a gun batsman for years leading up, and had previously been dropped.

Hayden was trying to smash every ball out of the park instead putting his head down as he did in the 4th and 5th tests.

And warne was magnificent.

my bad it was 05/06 martyn's form dropped off.

[Doodlesweaver]

Fair call, but IMO the game was lost at the selection table when the selectors left out the form batsmen of Aus.

Mike Hussey being dropped after the ODI's and him slaughtering the brits in the domestic county competition after slaughtering them in the ODIs makes it a complete joke that he was left out because of english conditions...

Martyn was badly out of form leading into that series, despite being a gun batsman for years leading up, and had previously been dropped.

my bad it was 05/06 martyn's form dropped off.

That was Hayden. He was doing a 2009/10 Mike Hussey leading into that series, he was that bad. Actually, he was probably worse.

I thought that Huss should have been chosen for the 2009 Ashes for the reasons you have mentioned. But how big a letdown was he? His magnificent County record meant diddly squat.

[Kim Hagdorn]

I thought for a second he was going to cry on Fox Sports this morning :rolleyes:

[BluesMan]

He's a great domestic player.
/fin

[Rumblah#16]

LOL after his first couple of years, brett lee was carried by McGrath and warne and then served up a diet of 4 and 6 balls. and who can forget his embarrassing fist pumping action for getting a no.10 or no.11 batsman after being tonked around the ground for a day and a half.

Not half the bowler that Dizzy Gillespie was, and dizzy was never given half the chances lee was.

As for Katich, including him at the expense of a rampant Mike Hussey contributed to us losing the ashes in 05, and martyn's selection for that series was a joke.

Katich's test selection at the time was reward for crossing from WA to NSW.

Errrrrr Jason Gillespie was given every opportunity late in his career. He failed to take any of them and he was bowling complete trollop for the last year or so playing for Australia.

[pistonbroke23]

People forget cricket is a team sport. Hodge is a toxic team member. It is as relevant as his ability.
Are you sayin hes not a team player and thats why victoria have been so unsuccessful....Huh?

[dan warna]

Errrrrr Jason Gillespie was given every opportunity late in his career. He failed to take any of them and he was bowling complete trollop for the last year or so playing for Australia.

As opposed to brett lee who was bowling trollop for the last 7 years of his career.

incidentally tore up the bangers in his last series with the bat and ball, took 8 wickets at 11 a piece, while bing went for 2/186, of course bing was selected to carry on...

lets face it, dizzy had 1 bad year, and bing had 1 good year.

[SurfingTheVoid]

Are you sayin hes not a team player and thats why victoria have been so unsuccessful....Huh?

At Australian level, he was toxic. Dunno about Victorian level - he was their best bat, and clearly so, so maybe things were different.

[pistonbroke23]

At Australian level, he was toxic. Dunno about Victorian level - he was their best bat, and clearly so, so maybe things were different.
So hes only a bad sport when playing for Aust.

[Rumblah#16]

As opposed to brett lee who was bowling trollop for the last 7 years of his career.

incidentally tore up the bangers in his last series with the bat and ball, took 8 wickets at 11 a piece, while bing went for 2/186, of course bing was selected to carry on...

lets face it, dizzy had 1 bad year, and bing had 1 good year.

Mate don't get me wrong, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone that despises Brett Lee as much as I do. I just think that Jason's time was up, the pin (on his International Career) was pulled too late.

[Bombers_Forever]

Just remember everyone, Hodge is a good player but he plays for himself and individual records - his comments on Monday on Fox show it.

[YouDontKnowJack]

Errrrrr Jason Gillespie was given every opportunity late in his career. He failed to take any of them and he was bowling complete trollop for the last year or so playing for Australia.
Serious?!
He took 11 wickets and made a double century in his last test.

[Rumblah#16]

Serious?!
He took 11 wickets and made a double century in his last test.

I was not aware Bangladesh were a tough opponent.

[bombersno1]

Lets not forget that he was bowling 130km pies in the last 12months prior. It is the reason he was dropped in the Ashes.

[dan warna]

I was not aware Bangladesh were a tough opponent.

EXACTLY and they smashed brett lee around like the pie tosser he is...

and yet binger got selected to carry on in the baggy green...:rolleyes:

dizzy >>> bing

[dan warna]

Lets not forget that he was bowling 130km pies in the last 12months prior. It is the reason he was dropped in the Ashes.


much like brett lee's last 7 years in the test team....

[bombersno1]

Brett was still bowling at 150kmph and was still taking wickets at the time. I hated them picking Lee, but two wrongs don't make a right. They were wrong to pick Lee (possibly) but they would have been equally wrong to retain Gillespie.

[dan warna]

Brett was still bowling at 150kmph and was still taking wickets at the time. I hated them picking Lee, but two wrongs don't make a right. They were wrong to pick Lee (possibly) but they would have been equally wrong to retain Gillespie.

dizzy was coming back from injury and certainly hit his strides against the bangers, after which he was dropped.

how did lee go against the bangers? they tonked him all over the place.

In england in the ashes, dizzy's bowling was average, and with the exception of 2 sessions, a fully fit brett lee was rubbish as well and lee was fully fit.

If anything they shouldn't have selected an unfit dizzy for england, and they should have dropped lee years ago.

dizzy bowled v well in shield cricket then gave it away, i guess after test cricket, shield cricket was a let down.

lee? rubbish and carried for a few more years.

[Smokey_22]

Brett Lee had a very specific role as a test bowler - that was to bowl fast, and scare the batsmen. No doubt he was more successful at this in ODIs.
Some of the other test bowlers in his time may well attribute some of their success to Lees bowing at the other end.

This thread is about Brad Hodge, why isn't it on the domestic board yet?

[Cousin Jed]

Slack mods....

Yeah I can't remember when this became about Dizzy but (and this is the first time I will say this...shudders) can we go back to discussing Hodge please.

[tazhawk]

Was given a decent go but he was rubbish.

Summed it up nicely.

[eddiesmith]

The thing that makes me laugh with the selectors treatment of Brad Hodge is they dropped him because he wouldnt be able to handle South African conditions they claimed, yet its probably his favourite country from trips he has had there in various series

But they did the 1 thing that would give them plenty of excuses to leave him out of the ODI side, they gave him 1 full series in his life and it was India, the 1 place he cannot buy a run at any level, he was averaging 40 before that series and he hasnt played since. Sure it may not be a good excuse but then you look at Ricky Pontings test record in India especially in the first 3-4 series...

[Kim Hagdorn]

Sure it may not be a good excuse

Gee, do ya think?

[apollo_creed]

Lehman always looked outclassed against the quicks at test level, similar to Brad Hodge. There's been many awesome first class cricketers who havent made the step up, eg Ramprakash and Hick in England, and I feel Hodge and Lehman are similar cases. I remember being at the SCG when the Saffers played Australia, near the end of the day, and the saffers set Hodge up just so easily to pop one to short mid wicket. It was just too easy.
I saw the same thing happen to Steve Waugh. Numerous times.

I suppose he wasn't up to it? :rolleyes:

You've seen one dismissal and you're using it as your evidence that he's not up to it?

Was Michael Slater ever up to it?
Was Mark Taylor?

He wasn't given the chances. Nothing even close to what others were given. There is no proof of him not being good enough so don't talk shit.

[Kim Hagdorn]

He wasn't given the chances. Nothing even close to what others were given. There is no proof of him not being good enough so don't talk shit.

He was given chances and failed. Domestic cricket is the bloke's best level.

[eddiesmith]

Not really

Averaged 58 in a test series and was dropped

Had 1 bad ODI series and was dropped for good despite going into the series with an average of 40

Imagine if he got the same chances as Marcus North or Shane Watson or Andrew Symonds or many others before and after him

[dan warna]

He was given chances and failed. Domestic cricket is the bloke's best level.

he didn't fail at test level

in the 50 over game, i don't know why he was selected, was a good without being brilliant player at that level.

in FC cricket, well ahead of many selected before him.

As for Lehmann, was selected at the end of his career for national duties and performed well, Australian cricket never saw him at his peak.

Slater and Taylor....two slightly above average players. Taylor was a good captain which added to the reason of his selection.

Steve waugh and Allan Border were far superior captains.

Border had rubbish teams and carried them into form. S.waugh rarely let his team have 4th innings collapses and the concept of the 'dead rubber fail' was virtually eliminated under his tenure.

Taylor's captaincy was carried by a brilliant team, with a brittle top order that was prone to collapsing and failing in dead rubbers.

S.waugh got the most of his team and turned the aussies in marauding beasts in the cricket field.

There was a lapse in fitness in the aussie team i think from when border retired to when s.waugh took over.