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Cousin Jed
19 Oct 2010, 22:19
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Visakhapatnam, Wednesday October 20, 8:00pm AEDT
A copy and paste job for most of this after the rainout in game 1.
Well its more like Australia A v India A with a bunch of players "Rested" for this fairly meaningless 3 game series, though with a sub-continental world cup in 6 months time the selectors have given away a few of their ideas with the squad chosen.
Ponting, Watson and Johnson have been sent home to get ready for the Ashes. India have rested Zaheer, Tendulkar, Singh and Ojha and Sehwag Gambhir and Sharma are injured.
David Warner has been sent over to see if he can blast Australia off to a good start, with the selector believing this could help them win the WC next year, getting a flier before the spinners come on. This despite not opening up for NSW last year.
1st game was a washout and there is some chance of rain with an apparent abundance of humidity, though there appears to be a better chance of a game here. Later start time with this being a day nighter.
2 odi's played previously here. India chased down 259 in just 41 overs, and racked up 356 batting first (Pakistan 298 in 44 overs before bowled out in reply). Expect some runs it appears.
Australia XIV
*Michael Clarke
+Tim Paine
David Warner
Shaun Marsh
Cameron White
Callum Ferguson
Mike Hussey
Steve Smith
James Hopes
John Hastings
Nathan Hauritz
Doug Bollinger
Mitchell Starc
Clint McKay
India XIV
*+MS Dhoni
M Vijay
Shikhar Dhawan
Virat Kohli
Suresh Raina
Yuvraj Singh
Saurabh Tiwary
R Ashwin
Praveen Kumar
Ashish Nehra
Munaf Patel
Vinay Kumar
Ravindra Jadeja
Rohit Sharma
Coverage
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2118/fs3xa4.png from 7:30pm AEDT
Cricinfo Scorecard (http://www.cricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2010/engine/match/464529.html)
Cricket Australia Scorecard (http://livescores.cricket.com.au/summary_2567_2.html)
King Elvis
20 Oct 2010, 12:41
How is weather?
albundysmate
20 Oct 2010, 12:59
How is weather?
isolated thunderstorms are being predicted
Heavy rains last night, has cleared slightly but it's been drizzling for the last few hours, game starts at 2pm IST, but doubt it will be starting on time. Looks like it will be reduced to a 30 over a side game.
I've found a website that has given me odds of 200/1 for Shikhar Dhawan to top score.
I've put 20 on it. If he does top score, don't expect to hear from me for a few weeks as i'll be in Vegas.
Heavy rains last night, has cleared slightly but it's been drizzling for the last few hours, game starts at 2pm IST, but doubt it will be starting on time. Looks like it will be reduced to a 30 over a side game.
**** sakes.:mad:
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 18:32
Alpha stop posting weather reports on Melbourne
Hastings and Starc to debut. No Warner or Bollinger or Ferguson
India have sent us in to bat.
lol have a guess at the humidity there? I will buy you a pizza if you can guess right and I have inside info here.
that's close to the worst bowling attack I've ever seen.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 18:50
that's close to the worst bowling attack I've ever seen.
India have never been known for strong bowling attacks ;)
As for Australia...will be interesting to see Starc in action but the overall attack looks solid, probably better than the 2nd test attack
trentmac21
20 Oct 2010, 18:52
Who the hell is Mitchell Starc? Ive honestly never heard of the bloke.
Who the hell is Mitchell Starc? Ive honestly never heard of the bloke.
Heck, If I wore a baggy blue I could be bowling on the sub continent right now.
a guy the picked for the tests because they believe he has potential but didn't expect to play. they kept him for the od's because they didn't expect to need him but needed someone "just in case" and couldn't be bothered to send over someone else and well here we are.
he does have potential tbf, but he'll probably be murdered as will be smith and hopes with a 50/50 on Hastings getting murdered.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:05
a guy the picked for the tests because they believe he has potential but didn't expect to play. they kept him for the od's because they didn't expect to need him but needed someone "just in case" and couldn't be bothered to send over someone else and well here we are.
he does have potential tbf, but he'll probably be murdered as will be smith and hopes with a 50/50 on Hastings getting murdered.
Any reason why they wouldn't play Ferguson? I suppose they have to play Hussey but if they are throwing the bowlers to the wolves why not go the whole hog?
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 19:06
Who the hell is Mitchell Starc? Ive honestly never heard of the bloke.
Seriously man?
Go Mitchell!! :thumbsu:
PS. Big series this for Marsh, make it count son. :)
I would say it's because of the weak bowling attack, which is forcing them to play both Hopes and Smith which squeezes Ferguson out.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:09
I would say it's because of the weak bowling attack, which is forcing them to play both Hopes and Smith which squeezes Ferguson out.
That's a good explanation.
Alternatively I've heard Ferguson got in a fight with Hussey & an elephant before the match and he's been barred from the team.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:13
Alternatively I've heard Ferguson got in a fight with Hussey & an elephant before the match and he's been barred from the team.
Fergie didn't try hard enough, we could really do with Hussey missing the first couple of matches of the Ashes. It's the only way the selectors make changes.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 19:13
Or its just because they have 14 players and only 11 can play, being cut to 2 matches probably ruins their plans a bit but I would expect Hussey to be rested for the 2nd game and probably drop Hopes or 1 of the fast bowlers
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:17
Or its just because they have 14 players and only 11 can play, being cut to 2 matches probably ruins their plans a bit but I would expect Hussey to be rested for the 2nd game and probably drop Hopes or 1 of the fast bowlers
Is that so? I could have sworn they were able to pick 12 and even 13 if they buttered up Mahendra before the match.
Bennycoff
20 Oct 2010, 19:18
Would rather see Warner and Ferguson in the team. Marsh and Paine are far too slow and dull to open the innings. Clarke at 3....slowest top 3 ever?
Would have loved to see Warner blast some runs at the start with the commentators saying the pitch is best now to make easy runs. Would rather Ferguson than Hopes, but probably the lack of bowling quality hurt us.
India look like they'll kill it.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:20
Would rather see Warner and Ferguson in the team. Marsh and Paine are far too slow and dull to open the innings. Clarke at 3....slowest top 3 ever?
Would have loved to see Warner blast some runs at the start with the commentators saying the pitch is best now to make easy runs. Would rather Ferguson than Hopes, but probably the lack of bowling quality hurt us.
India look like they'll kill it.
Ball is moving around early. Nice for the Indian bowlers.
That was one of the Shaun Marsh specials, that lack of foot movement and poor waft.
Marsh usually gets to 20 before getting out. Strange days.
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 19:23
Marshy, Marshy, Marshy.
I've been a big fan over the years, and he's still got intriguing upside, but he's just been unable to put it all together. He needs to cement his spot during the ODI series in Australia, or else Warner will take his spot.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:24
Marsh usually gets to 20 before getting out. Strange days.
But it was a typical, 'I've got 20 off 34 balls so I'm set' dismissal though.
he's the back-up opener behind watson and the keeper. so he won't cement that spot. that said there's no chance of warner taking the back-up opener's spot. i don't really rate marsh but he's far better than warner (as a back-up option)
Oh dear.
Clarke and Paine are in at the same time.
Reincarnation
20 Oct 2010, 19:28
Marshy, Marshy, Marshy.
I've been a big fan over the years, and he's still got intriguing upside, but he's just been unable to put it all together. He needs to cement his spot during the ODI series in Australia, or else Warner will take his spot.
He has cemented his spot in the best 11 I would have thought.
I am not a fan of having Marsh, Paine and Clarke as the top 3 though. The latter two players are passive who struggle to both begin at healthy clips and score freely once set.
We need Cameron White in at 3 as he provides aggression that the current top 3 doesn't possess.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 19:30
Suprising to see White not at 3, he did well there in the last year or so when Ponting has a rest
Reincarnation
20 Oct 2010, 19:31
Oh dear.
Clarke and Paine are in at the same time.
Agreed. As much as I like both players the current top order is way too passive and conventional considering the quality of stroke-makers from 4-7
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 19:32
Suprising to see White not at 3, he did well there in the last year or so when Ponting has a rest
It's Clarke getting practise in for when he has the full command of the team. He bats at 3 in 20/20 and that's even sillier. I assume he'll be at 3 in all formats when Punter retires.
Hmm... this is going well.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 19:36
It's Clarke getting practise in for when he has the full command of the team. He bats at 3 in 20/20 and that's even sillier. I assume he'll be at 3 in all formats when Punter retires.
Which would be madness given he has struggled since moving to 4 in the test side, then again if he has to play limited overs then maybe higher up is better
Anyway another fine innings by Paine, Haddin might atleast get 1 of his spots back
Hussey at 4? Strange moves today
Remember when Gilchrist and Hayden opened the batting? :(
100 from 15 overs used to be stock standard.
Gilchrist and Hayden were also not our back-up openers.
Gilchrist and Hayden were also not our back-up openers.
Remind me, who are our openers normally again?
Smokey_22
20 Oct 2010, 19:42
Brad Hodge...
..has played 25 ODIs and failed in 20 of them
Kim Hagdorn
20 Oct 2010, 19:44
Brad Hodge...
Give it a rest ffs.
Remind me, who are our openers normally again?
Watson and Haddin. I agree Paine and Marsh are a pretty shit opening pairing, but it's hardly anything to be worried about.
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 19:48
Watson and Haddin. I agree Paine and Marsh are a pretty shit opening pairing, but it's hardly anything to be worried about.
My ideal XI:
Watson
Marsh
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Bollinger
McKay/Lee/Starc ie. whoever wants it!
Also in the squad: Paine, Hopes, Harris, Ferg, Smith... too hard! :o
Well obviously I'm of the opinion that Marsh isn't very good, so of course for me Ferguson comes in. Plus Haddin is a better opener than Marsh and Ferguson is a better 7 than Haddin so.
Now the problem with line-up is we're relying on Watson bowling 6-7 overs and Clarke and White the rest. That's not a problem if Watson gets 50 odd and departs at the 20th - which admittedly is what he usually does - but if he bats through to 40-50 we might see Clarke and White needing to contribute those 6-7 and Watson the rest and I think that scares the selectors. hence we see Hopes at 7 and no Ferguson.
nice over there! maiden! 2/35 after 12 overs, quality ODI stuff here.
Reincarnation
20 Oct 2010, 20:00
Which would be madness given he has struggled since moving to 4 in the test side, then again if he has to play limited overs then maybe higher up is better
Anyway another fine innings by Paine, Haddin might atleast get 1 of his spots back
Hussey at 4? Strange moves today
Having Hussey at 4 is a great move and he should bat there when the best possible team is on the park. He is a superb limited overs batsman and despite not building his game around power he scores at a very high rate
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 20:04
Time for the ICC to adopt the split innings format :)
As for Australias best ODI side
Watson, Warner, Ponting, White, Hussey, Haddin, Hopes/Smith, Hauritz, Bollinger, Harris, McKay
Tough to squeeze Ferguson is, I dont rate Haddin as an opener and obviously in the real squad they need to squeeze Clarke in, Ferguson may find himself on the outer untill after the world cup when Hussey should be gone and Ponting will definately be finished.
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 20:04
Well obviously I'm of the opinion that Marsh isn't very good, so of course for me Ferguson comes in. Plus Haddin is a better opener than Marsh and Ferguson is a better 7 than Haddin so.
Now the problem with line-up is we're relying on Watson bowling 6-7 overs and Clarke and White the rest. That's not a problem if Watson gets 50 odd and departs at the 20th - which admittedly is what he usually does - but if he bats through to 40-50 we might see Clarke and White needing to contribute those 6-7 and Watson the rest and I think that scares the selectors. hence we see Hopes at 7 and no Ferguson.
Fair call...
Watson
Haddin
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Ferguson
Johnson
Hauritz
Bollinger
McKay/Lee/Starc
To me that's a real waste having Ferg at 7 though, maybe replace him with Hopes for the greater bowling depth. I quite like Hopes, but do we really need him with White/Ferg/Smith ect? Maybe he makes the squad, but I'd rather take a punt on someone else.
magic_johnson!
20 Oct 2010, 20:04
Musn't be much bounce; Pup wearing a hat to pace. Don't see that much anymore...
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 20:04
Having Hussey at 4 is a great move and he should bat there when the best possible team is on the park. He is a superb limited overs batsman and despite not building his game around power he scores at a very high rate
I just feel he is by far the best finisher in the side and would be better down there especially given the fact that after White they just have a couple of sloggers
Stats Man
20 Oct 2010, 20:06
Stage is set for john hastings.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 20:06
Fair call...
Watson
Haddin
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Ferguson
Johnson
Hauritz
Bollinger
McKay/Lee/Starc
To me that's a real waste having Ferg at 7 though, maybe replace him with Hopes for the greater bowling depth. I quite like Hopes, but do we really need him with White/Ferg/Smith ect? Maybe he makes the squad, but I'd rather take a punt on someone else.
I dont understand the choice of Hopes tonight thats for sure, its almost like they are saying they have no faith in the young quicks and will share the overs around, surely they and the selectors learn alot more if they are given their full quota and see if they bounce back rather than dragged off for the rest of the game with Hopes taking up the slack?
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 20:06
Musn't be much bounce; Pup wearing a hat to pace. Don't see that much anymore...
You can't really call this pace though. Unless you call Watson pace.
Reincarnation
20 Oct 2010, 20:08
well delightful, another subcontinental spinner that blatantly throws it.
The sooner Clarke gets out the better, cant afford the others to pick up his slow strike rate
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 20:08
I dont understand the choice of Hopes tonight thats for sure, its almost like they are saying they have no faith in the young quicks and will share the overs around, surely they and the selectors learn alot more if they are given their full quota and see if they bounce back rather than dragged off for the rest of the game with Hopes taking up the slack?
I'm with you mate. I think the next few months should be a big time experiment phase, plenty of youth given a go, especially the bowlers, so we can finalise our squad for next years WC.
Doodlesweaver
20 Oct 2010, 20:09
I'm with you mate. I think the next few months should be a big time experiment phase, plenty of youth given a go, especially the bowlers, so we can finalise our squad for next years WC.
Like they did with the Ashes squad?
To me that's a real waste having Ferg at 7 though., Maybe replace him with Hopes for the greater bowling depth. I quite like Hopes, but do we really need him with White/Ferg/Smith ect? Maybe he makes the squad, but I'd rather take a punt on someone else.
I quite like Hopes' performances, but I'm not really a fan of his spot tbh. Very awkward position I find myself in. Personally I want the the layout you have - 4 bowlers and one genuine all-rounder - but I've accepted that won't happen. They want a bit-part all-rounder at 7 and for now Hopes is better than Smith.
All that means for the WC Ferguson probably won't be in the starting side. It's not really a horrible thing - Hopes playing before Ferguson-, it's just I'm not a fan of the bit-part all-rounder and look for any opportunity to criticise it.
Reincarnation
20 Oct 2010, 20:11
I just feel he is by far the best finisher in the side and would be better down there especially given the fact that after White they just have a couple of sloggers
Would you rather he has the opportunity from 40 overs in comparison to 20?
The best batsmen have to face the most amount of deliveries in this format.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 20:13
I'm with you mate. I think the next few months should be a big time experiment phase, plenty of youth given a go, especially the bowlers, so we can finalise our squad for next years WC.
Exactly, its a total waste playing bowlers then not giving them their full quota, learn something about them and how they handle getting belted if it happens
Like they did with the Ashes squad?
Much different in test cricket where you want to win every series so they go with what they believe to be their best squad. They dont just hand out baggy greens like they do the gold ODI caps
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 20:14
I quite like Hopes' performances, but I'm not really a fan of his spot tbh. Very awkward position I find myself in. Personally I want the the layout you have - 4 bowlers and one genuine all-rounder - but I've accepted that won't happen. They want a bit-part all-rounder at 7 and for now Hopes is better than Smith.
All that means for the WC Ferguson probably won't be in the starting side. It's not really a horrible thing - Hopes playing before Ferguson-, it's just I'm not a fan of the bit-part all-rounder and look for any opportunity to criticise it.
I think they call it fence sitting. having a bob each way
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 20:17
Would you rather he has the opportunity from 40 overs in comparison to 20?
The best batsmen have to face the most amount of deliveries in this format.
Well these days White seems to have become a much better hitter when he has batted longer so I feel they would be better swapping, then again White is also starting slowly when he does so they probably needed someone to push things alont with Clarkey at the other end
Big problem with going in a couple of batsman short today by playing Marsh and 2 all rounders in the top 7
Fellas over at Test Match Sofa saving a very ordinary start here. :thumbsu:
"I'd **** Inzi because I think he's a class act."
Might wanna get a little bit of a hurry on in the next 5-10 overs.
Run rate above 4 :thumbsu:
why would we do that?
I guess. It'd be nice to get it above 5 before we take the batting powerplay though. Hussey it still our premier batsman in this format, if only this could be reproduced in the Test arena.
Find it a bit puzzling that Starc has gotten a bum rap on here, kid has ability and it's great to see the selectors give a promising young kid an opportunity rather than fly some other stale hack in. This is how you uncover your gems and gain an edge. We're top of the ODI rankings because we're flexible and willing to take a few risks at the selection table. It should hold us in good stead for the WC.
Got me stuffed how it's the polar opposite when we select our test side. :rolleyes:
Kim Hagdorn
20 Oct 2010, 21:33
Hussey you gun.
campbell023
20 Oct 2010, 21:38
Huss trapped infront.
Maybe that wicket will cue something to happen.
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 21:39
Clarke's slow scoring to get White out cheaply
magic_johnson!
20 Oct 2010, 21:40
Breaks the partnership, but perfect time for the bear to come in...?
Bomber Bears
20 Oct 2010, 21:48
Hit the ball one time Clarke.
Also, Starc gets a bum rap because he's a more inconsistant version of Johnson (if you can imagaine that) who I wouldnt even pick in a full strength NSW side, let alone any national side. Maybe OD Domestic NSW, that's it.
Clarke's slow scoring to get White out cheaply
Clarke and White's slow scoring to get Smith and Hopes out.
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 21:53
This is so annoying.
TAKE THE POWER PLAY NOW!!!
You're going to smash the last 5 overs anyway, so why not go the full tonk for 10?
Infuriating. :thumbsd:
campbell023
20 Oct 2010, 21:57
This is so annoying.
TAKE THE POWER PLAY NOW!!!
You're going to smash the last 5 overs anyway, so why not go the full tonk for 10?
Infuriating. :thumbsd:
Never under stood this. Poor captaining by Clakre imo. Yes he has constructed our innings but FFS strike rate just ticked over 70. Not ODI standards these days.
TheStinger
20 Oct 2010, 22:02
Why has Cameron White come out and all of a sudden Pup has forgotten how to run properly?
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 22:15
Humidity appears to be at about 1000%
Not taking enough risks.
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 22:18
What a shot White! :eek:
Back to back 4's by Clarke, the second a GEM!
ronnie1234
20 Oct 2010, 22:18
six!! :)
OzBomber
20 Oct 2010, 22:18
Awaiting Pup's inevitable 90s exit.
Kim Hagdorn
20 Oct 2010, 22:20
Damn, Whitey almost done the sport a massive favour and put Billy 'hey look at me' Bowden out of action.
eddiesmith
20 Oct 2010, 22:21
Damn, Whitey almost done the sport a massive favour and put Billy 'hey look at me' Bowden out of action.
It was Clarke! :eek:
Very nice innings from Clarkey so far, well deserved 100.:thumbsu:
Geez Pup, get out already, you're shit and going too slow :rolleyes:
Awaiting Pup's inevitable 90s exit.
You were saying....
mattf83
20 Oct 2010, 22:22
Well done clarke
comes in, in a bad position and scores a 100 at 75, perfect one day anchor role. Shame his partners werent scoring faster, hussey and clarke shouldnt bat 3/4. White should have come in at 4,
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 22:23
Would have been nicer in the test series Michael.
OzBomber
20 Oct 2010, 22:25
You were saying....
I'm gonna try that all the time now. Atleast he's making runs now which is good for the Ashes. :thumbsu:
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 22:28
White is an awesome, awesome ODI player. :thumbsu:
Kim Hagdorn
20 Oct 2010, 22:29
It was Clarke! :eek:
lol, it's very hard to recognise him playing an aggressive shot.
Bomber Bears
20 Oct 2010, 22:31
Would have been nicer in the test series Michael.Clarke doesnt ever win on this board!
But if he has a few runs behind him hopefully it translates into a good ashes, vital to the middle order
Damn, even Clarkey hitting big ones!:eek:
Boys going absolutely nuts! :thumbsu:
GoDoggies
20 Oct 2010, 22:34
Shotttttt Whitey
Cousin Jed
20 Oct 2010, 22:34
Feels like they have left their run a bit too late.
Haha, even Whitey enjoyed that one!:D And better late than never Cousin Jed.
OzBomber
20 Oct 2010, 22:37
Pup's going to end up with a strike rate of over 80. Played the anchor role and attacked a the end. I'm happy with that.
Cricinfo in bed isn't doing justice to this innings from White. :(
Drummond
20 Oct 2010, 22:38
SIX more!!! :D :thumbsu:
Who said ODI's were dead? This is tops!
This might be the last time Kumar bowls at the death...