Mitchell Marsh

[davo99]

Was on a hat trick just then and now has picked up another wicket surely the selectors will consider him as an all rounder? He will be a superstar in years to come. If were going to put in young blokes how far do you guys think Marsh is from making the Aus squad?

[The Falcon Strike]

Should still be a mile from the Australian team

But first look i had of his bowling I said it was more than just handy

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16618719

[Bucking Beads]

He is a gun but surely needs another year or two in first class cricket before he is looked at by the selectors. Looks to be a possible genuine all rounder depending on how he develops his bowling and stays injury free.

[Daz]

Give him a while to get his body 100%. Once he does that he should be up around the 140kmph mark.

[BarneyBent]

He's a very talented and exciting player, but let's be honest, he's a fair way from international duties. He's very inconsistent at the moment. Of course, he's not even 20 yet, so I'm not bagging him, but his performances are not yet matching his potential. I'd hate to see him turn into another Henriques...

[ThePuppetMaster]

Henriques is also very young though, + marsh has a shitload more talent than henriques both batting wise and bowling wise

could be a Kallis type, but i don't want to heap too much expectation on him but he is exciting

he is only 18 so i think if he is given at a minimum another 3-4 seasons in the Shield he could play test cricket if performing at a suitable level

[Bucking Beads]

Henriques has never perfomed for the Blues but somehow has been in and around the Aussie squads. Moises has talent but is lucky to even be in the Blues team after his performances over the last 2 years. Marsh has performed quite well so far IMO.

[The Governor]

Moses Henriques, Mitchell Marsh, Alex Keath, Stephen Smith, Aaron Finch, Josh Hazelewood, James Pattinson, Usman Khawaja, Matthew Wade, Tim Paine, Michael Hill and Phil Hughes are our next 10 to 15 year test players.

With the huge diet of One Day Cricket, it is important for these youngsters to play as many 4 day games this year, with the possibility of playing test cricket this year. They will have to learn how to build an innings in the four day game, and from this point, they can easily adapt to the 50 over, 45 over and 20-20 formats.

Mitchell Marsh is an exciting prospect whilst Alex Keath is a dark horse.

Moses Henriques has the runs and wickets on the board over the past 3 years and we have a sudden influx of allrounders in the mould of a Clive Rice, Ian Botham and Andrew Flintoff. They can easily bat at 4 to 6 and bowl at 145 to 150 kms per hour.

Here is my future test XI with these youngsters in the side...

Usman Khawaja
Shane Watson
Aaron Finch
Cameron White (CAPTAIN)
Mitchell Marsh
Alex Keath
Stephen Smith
Matthew Wade
Josh Hazlewood
James Pattinson
Jon Holland

THE GOVERNOR

[BarneyBent]

Henriques is also very young though, + marsh has a shitload more talent than henriques both batting wise and bowling wise

could be a Kallis type, but i don't want to heap too much expectation on him but he is exciting

he is only 18 so i think if he is given at a minimum another 3-4 seasons in the Shield he could play test cricket if performing at a suitable level

Mitch Marsh does not have a "shitload more talent" than Henriques. Henriques was just as highly rated a junior as Mitch Marsh was, and was just as highly rated in his first season or two as Mitch Marsh is, and just like Mitch Marsh, showed flashes without ever really stamping his mark on a game. Now, this is certainly forgivable for an 18-20 year old, but the problem is Henriques is still that player at 23 (though in his first Shield game this year, he was our standout bowler, and I'm hoping that was his breakout game, with the ball at least).

I'm hoping against hope Marsh begins to bring things together (not that there's any particular reason to believe he won't. except that Henriques has made me, and I'm sure a few other NSW supporters, a little gun shy when talking up the next great young allrounder!).

Henriques has never perfomed for the Blues but somehow has been in and around the Aussie squads. Moises has talent but is lucky to even be in the Blues team after his performances over the last 2 years. Marsh has performed quite well so far IMO.

This is an overstatement, and a myth. Henriques is definitely in the NSW best XI (when internationals are out). While he is yet to stamp himself upon a game, he often chips in with handy 20s, 30s and 40s, and a couple of wickets a game. He isn't a worldbeater, but he's solid enough, and certainly earns his place in the NSW side.

His call-up to Australia was a bit out of the blue, and quite frankly undeserved, but maybe it was just to give him a taste in the hope that it would drive him and positively influence his cricket. Maybe it has, it's too early to tell. In any case, he has a huge amount of talent, and if it can be realised, Australian cricket will benefit greatly from it.

[thorne89]

Mitch Marsh does not have a "shitload more talent" than Henriques.

He really does.

Bookmark this, we'll come back in 15 years, and I will be vindicated. :thumbsu:

[ThePuppetMaster]

Mitch Marsh does not have a "shitload more talent" than Henriques. Henriques was just as highly rated a junior as Mitch Marsh was, and was just as highly rated in his first season or two as Mitch Marsh is, and just like Mitch Marsh, showed flashes without ever really stamping his mark on a game. Now, this is certainly forgivable for an 18-20 year old, but the problem is Henriques is still that player at 23 (though in his first Shield game this year, he was our standout bowler, and I'm hoping that was his breakout game, with the ball at least).

I'm hoping against hope Marsh begins to bring things together (not that there's any particular reason to believe he won't. except that Henriques has made me, and I'm sure a few other NSW supporters, a little gun shy when talking up the next great young allrounder!).



This is an overstatement, and a myth. Henriques is definitely in the NSW best XI (when internationals are out). While he is yet to stamp himself upon a game, he often chips in with handy 20s, 30s and 40s, and a couple of wickets a game. He isn't a worldbeater, but he's solid enough, and certainly earns his place in the NSW side.

His call-up to Australia was a bit out of the blue, and quite frankly undeserved, but maybe it was just to give him a taste in the hope that it would drive him and positively influence his cricket. Maybe it has, it's too early to tell. In any case, he has a huge amount of talent, and if it can be realised, Australian cricket will benefit greatly from it.

Marsh has an outstanding technique batting wise and great timing, which i haven't seen from Henriques, my understanding is Henriques is much more of a bowler... Henriques still has 4 or so years before he enters his prime as a cricketer, i still have hopes for him

Marsh has stamped authority on games though 69 off 40 ish balls??? in a ford ranger cup game last year (may have been more) 3-35ish today off 8 overs

very good signs, and showing much more then Henriques at state level in his first couple of years

[HFF_07]

... Henriques still has 4 or so years before he enters his prime as a cricketer, i still have hopes for him


Henriques will be 26/27 by then, surely if he was in his prime, he would hope that he is well and truly in the side..

I personally do not see much in his bowling, see him as a Dom Thornley type player, explosive hitting, much maligned (yet even) bowling..

And to the Henriques hasn't done much at all call, did you see him blasting sixes all over the shop in the recent champions league T20 series against opposition world class bowlers? Musn't of, cause Moises was doing something special in that series, hit something like 3 sixes a match or something..

And to the governor


Usman Khawaja
Shane Watson
Aaron Finch
Cameron White (CAPTAIN)
Mitchell Marsh
Alex Keath
Stephen Smith
Matthew Wade
Josh Hazlewood
James Pattinson
Jon Holland




How far into the future is this side? Notice you included Watson, but fail to mention Johnson despite being of similar ages (Clarke also).

I am not sold on young Pattisons body holding up to the rigours of first class cricket despite all the promise in the world.

No Mitch Starc either?

I also think that Finch is better suited to a number 5 position, Mitch Marsh at number 3, (or Ferguson :D).

Still, a young gun could come from no where and dominate shield cricket this season and force Australian selectors to pick him..

Pity I highly doubt this will happen :o

[courtjester]

Moses Henriques has the runs and wickets on the board over the past 3 years and we have a sudden influx of allrounders in the mould of a Clive Rice, Ian Botham and Andrew Flintoff. They can easily bat at 4 to 6 and bowl at 145 to 150 kms per hour.



THE GOVERNOR

Dont get too excited. Why not add Imran, Kapil Dev, Kallis, Sobers and Keith Miller to that list.

Dont be ridiculous Guv, Henriques doesn't have half the talent of any of the players you mention. From the way you post you'd think every cricketer under 25 is a world beater, while every cricketer over 25 is a complete hack.

[BarneyBent]

He really does.

Bookmark this, we'll come back in 15 years, and I will be vindicated. :thumbsu:

He may well have a better career (highly likely, in fact), but I'm telling you now, it won't be due to talent. The best measure of talent IMO is how a person is rated in the juniors. After that, it becomes more about work ethic and psychology. In the juniors, Henriques was rated as highly as they come. Probably rated higher than Marsh was, to be honest. But he hasn't kicked on since. Is that a talent issue? Do you think he was just fooling all those selectors and experts that were fapping over him? Unlikely. It's far more likely to be a case of a lack of work ethic, an inability to adjust psychologically, or something along those lines.

Marsh has an outstanding technique batting wise and great timing, which i haven't seen from Henriques, my understanding is Henriques is much more of a bowler... Henriques still has 4 or so years before he enters his prime as a cricketer, i still have hopes for him

Marsh has stamped authority on games though 69 off 40 ish balls??? in a ford ranger cup game last year (may have been more) 3-35ish today off 8 overs

very good signs, and showing much more then Henriques at state level in his first couple of years

Really? Henriques took a 5fer in his second season, and averages 30 with the bat in FC cricket. He showed plenty in his first couple of years, just as much, in fact, as Mitch Marsh.

69 of 40 balls is an exciting innings. It isn't a ton. It isn't what you base selection for Australia on. 3-35ish illustrates my point perfectly. It's handy, it isn't domination.

Let me put it this way, Nic Maddinson, in 1 Sheffield Shield game, has more centuries than Mitch Marsh has in 7, and in a quarter of as many List A games, has a third as many 50s.

Marsh is an outstanding prospect, but so was Henriques. It's easy to look back in hindsight and say "Nah, Henriques was never any good", but at the time, he was the next big thing, the next superstar, the next all-round cricketing god.


Dont be ridiculous Guv, Henriques doesn't have half the talent of any of the players you mention. From the way you post you'd think every cricketer under 25 is a world beater, while every cricketer over 25 is a complete hack.

As I said above, Henriques has more talent than most of them. But I agree that he's not nearly as good a prospect on the whole. Agree with the second sentence too.

[The Governor]

Dont get too excited. Why not add Imran, Kapil Dev, Kallis, Sobers and Keith Miller to that list.

Dont be ridiculous Guv, Henriques doesn't have half the talent of any of the players you mention. From the way you post you'd think every cricketer under 25 is a world beater, while every cricketer over 25 is a complete hack.

Court Jester,

Can I clarify my comments?

Well, in my opinion, the selectors under GS Chappell will have to pick young batsmen below the age of 25 to play test cricket. THere is a huge advantage in picking young players below the age of 25. They have a positive attitude; eager to learn and it is the right time to test their defensive technique and mental application at test level.

Would not it be more beneficial for Australian cricket if the selectors play Finch, Usman Khawaja and Stephen Smith ahead of Katich, Hussey and North? If these youngsters play against test match quality bowling attacks, they will have an opportunity to assess their game whilst they are at a young age. They will know if the hard work at the academy has paid off and whether they have to do extra work to correct the minor deficiencies in their game that would not be exposed at Shield cricket when half of our international bowlers are on test and one day duty.

Lets look at Matthew Hayden. In 1993, he made his test debut against South Africa. He struggled for runs and the selectors sent him back to shield cricket to work on his defensive weaknesses. He was selected to play against the West Indies in the 1996/97 test series when Tubby Taylor was out of sorts and Matthew Elliott did his knee. He scored a ton and was selected for the 1997 SOuth African tour where he did not capitalise on his starts. The selectors dropped him to allow him to work on his game against fast bowling and spinners. He signed up to play for Hampshire where his technique was tested by the late Malcolm Marshall during countless net sessions at Hampshire. He put the runs on the board again and was selected for Australia in the 2000-2001 series against the West Indies. From that point, his game started to develop and the rest is history.

If the selectors pick mature age batsmen who are at least 25 years of age, the selectors cannot drop them. Once they are dropped, their careers are finished.

Why don't you look at the performances of North since his test debut in South Africa in 2009? He reminds me of Dean Jones. And, I am prepared to say that the amount of runs he has scored in Shield cricket is overrated because he has scored his runs against average bowling attacks. With Warne, McGrath, Dizzy, Lee, Clark and Kasper being on test duty from 2001 to 2007, he never had a chance to score runs against these champions. They were on international duty whilst he was playing shield cricket for Tasmania.

So, I think it is about time for the selectors to blood in the young youthful batsmen whose age is below 24 to plan for the long term future of Australian cricket.

THE GOVERNOR

"IGNORE YOUTH AT YOUR OWN PERIL"

[King Elvis]

Get him in the T20 squad in the near future, get him in the ODI Squad very soon as well.

Give him a year or two there, then put him in the Test Squad.

[BACCS]

That is it fellas, get rid of anyone over the age of 25 in our team now, they are all hacks. The Governor said so, it must be right.

[King Elvis]

BACCS, considering Hussey & North generally make fewer runs than Hauritz, I'd say he has a fair point.

[Belnakor]

If the selectors pick mature age batsmen who are at least 25 years of age, the selectors cannot drop them. Once they are dropped, their careers are finished.


by god you talk alot of crap. I'd love to know what Katich did to you.

IF you change 25 to 30 you have a point. If we drop any of Katich/Hussey/North they are finished at test level, it means the selectors seem to give them many more chances. I mean shit you just look at Hughes, he had two bad tests and he was gone, because they know he can come back.

[Doodlesweaver]

I would like to know how the Warriors mgt see Mitch Marsh. Look at this Shield match, they are treating him as a third seamer. WTF?

Perhaps they thought that Johnson would front up so well that Marsh could be tested alongside him, but Mickey Arthur should have followed Aus cricket enough to know how far Johnson has fallen from the heights when he chewed up the Saffers with bat and ball.

I would have thought that Mitch Marsh was a batting all-rounder at best, but they must see something solid in his bowling.

He bowls too full (half-volleys) a lot of the time from what I have seen - which admittedly isn't a lot. Maybe he would be ok if the ball got a bit of movement like in England.

But he is young and has looked a proper talent who also sounds far more mature than his age in interviews, so can only get better with plenty of hard match practise.

[King Elvis]

Just hope we don't stress his body to much and harm his batting potential.

[BarneyBent]

I reckon WA have received instructions from CA to try to develop Marsh's bowling. We all know what a chubby CA get for genuine allrounders, and judging by Marsh's bowling, the raw potential is there. He hits the pitch hard, and nudges 140 km/h. Bowls too many bad balls at the moment, and there's no guarantee he'll sort out that side of the game. The conservative approach would just be to focus on his batting, but if he can get his bowling sorted, the payoff will be greater, even if it risks doing his batting harm. Do you roll the dice on his development?

[Doodlesweaver]

I reckon WA have received instructions from CA to try to develop Marsh's bowling. We all know what a chubby CA get for genuine allrounders, and judging by Marsh's bowling, the raw potential is there. He hits the pitch hard, and nudges 140 km/h. Bowls too many bad balls at the moment, and there's no guarantee he'll sort out that side of the game. The conservative approach would just be to focus on his batting, but if he can get his bowling sorted, the payoff will be greater, even if it risks doing his batting harm. Do you roll the dice on his development?

Well he has had a lot of problems with injuries already in his fledgling career that is why he didn't bowl last year apart from that one 20/20 match v the Blues.

But they must think that he has the ability, so he probably has, but third seamer seems a bit much at present. And I'd like to see how he did coming in higher in the batting line-up, but that's just as I have loved the small amount of his batting I have seen. He looked like the kind of player who has a lot of time to play his shots. And he has a lot of shots.

[Drummond]

When Mitch makes some runs, get back to me.

Bowling probably better than his batting at the present.

[Bombertastic]

by god you talk alot of crap. I'd love to know what Katich did to you.

IF you change 25 to 30 you have a point. If we drop any of Katich/Hussey/North they are finished at test level, it means the selectors seem to give them many more chances. I mean shit you just look at Hughes, he had two bad tests and he was gone, because they know he can come back.

That's the point right there. I think Mitch Marsh should be in the ODI squad right now. Get him in and leave him in. Nothing wrong with blooding them young. We seem to be the only international side who doesn't do this. Works for India and Pakistan and they don't have anywhere near the domestic level or the coaching in under age that we have.

Our side is looking like a bunch of stray cats with not 9 but 19 lives each. I love Mike Hussey but time to go. North, don't get me started. Hughes could play at 6 and White or Kawalja at 5. M Marsh instead of M Hussey in ODI.

Mitch Marsh captained Australia in the under 19 world cup and lead them to victory. I watched that tournament and he was the best player there. He'll be ten times the player his brother will ever be and his father ever was.

[BarneyBent]

That's the point right there. I think Mitch Marsh should be in the ODI squad right now. Get him in and leave him in. Nothing wrong with blooding them young. We seem to be the only international side who doesn't do this. Works for India and Pakistan and they don't have anywhere near the domestic level or the coaching in under age that we have.

Our side is looking like a bunch of stray cats with not 9 but 19 lives each. I love Mike Hussey but time to go. North, don't get me started. Hughes could play at 6 and White or Kawalja at 5. M Marsh instead of M Hussey in ODI.

Mitch Marsh captained Australia in the under 19 world cup and lead them to victory. I watched that tournament and he was the best player there. He'll be ten times the player his brother will ever be and his father ever was.

Firstly, Mitch Marsh has shown nothing to suggest he should be anywhere near the Aussie squad yet in any form (but then, neither had Henriques).

Secondly, Mike Hussey is still a gun ODI (and T20, for that matter) cricketer, and is definitely in our best 11 in that format. He's past it in Tests, but he's still a lock in those formats.

[jackster83]

Wicketless with the ball and averaging 17 with the bat after 8 first class matches. A possibility for Australia A maybe but definitely not in contention to play for Australia. Not even close.

[The Falcon Strike]

Wicketless with the ball and averaging 17 with the bat after 8 first class matches. A possibility for Australia A maybe but definitely not in contention to play for Australia. Not even close.

Test cricket - absolutely

Shortened version - his figures for a 19 year old stack up pretty well.

41 @ 96 with the bat
Averages 35 with the ball

Still a ways from national selection - but he's tracking well.

[Cotchin 9]

Needs to bat in a set position in the Shield for the rest of the season. Been pushed around 4,5,6,7. I think it should be at 6 where he can play his shots and then possibly in the future move up to number 4 and shift that hack Voges.

[Doodlesweaver]

Needs to bat in a set position in the Shield for the rest of the season. Been pushed around 4,5,6,7. I think it should be at 6 where he can play his shots and then possibly in the future move up to number 4 and shift that hack Voges.

I think they should give him a run at 4. He has been all over the place and now they are treating him like a f/t bowler. They obviously want to play him but he is not going anywhere at present in the longer format.

[Hellgood]

Not in the best form at the moment, maybe drop him from shield team since Davis was pretty unlucky, or hopefully one of our bowlers will be back soon. Going to be a gun, but isn't in the form to warrant a shield place. But then again WA probably couldn't field a side if underperfoming players weren't picked.