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SurfingTheVoid

31 Oct 2010, 16:54

Nielsen has come out and said Ferguson is "in the mix" to play the first Ashes Test.

Interesting that he identified Ferg specifically. Who'd be under pressure? Hussey? North? You'd think it'd be unlikely on North given he made a 100 in the last Test...but Martin Love has plenty to say about that...

fightingfury_88

31 Oct 2010, 17:07

OzBomber

31 Oct 2010, 17:14

I ****ing hope so. Should've been in there last summer.

BACCS

31 Oct 2010, 17:15

Pffft, probably means shit all really. Nielsen just has to be seen as saying it, so he can't be howled down later for not considering Ferguson. Hussey and North will still be there come Nov. 23rd.

HSSB

31 Oct 2010, 17:17

Hope Ferg plays in the tour game vs England, could gain his selection from that game alone

Bucking Beads

31 Oct 2010, 17:29

They better pick him, preferable over North.

SebastianVettel

31 Oct 2010, 17:34

Must play - but guarantee he won't. Middle order will be the same old dismal collection of mediocrity as usual.

Phone

31 Oct 2010, 18:15

I ****ing hope so. Should've been in there last summer.

....he was injured...?

beez

31 Oct 2010, 18:22

Would love to see him in the first test!

OzBomber

31 Oct 2010, 18:41

....he was injured...?
...barring injury. ;)

Cousin Jed

31 Oct 2010, 19:45

There's gonna be a few guys trying real hard in that Australia A game.

mattf83

31 Oct 2010, 19:47

eddiesmith

31 Oct 2010, 19:53

There's gonna be a few guys trying real hard in that Australia A game.
With England sending their 2nd choice bowling attack to Hobart then there will be no excuses for any of the batsmen

BarneyBent

31 Oct 2010, 20:02

Was he asked specifically about Ferguson, or did he offer the name up himself? Because I really would have thought Khawaja or Hughes, and maybe Smith, would have been ahead of him.

redragger

31 Oct 2010, 20:03

When will people learn? The guy has 5 FC hundreds in 50 matches, he should not be anywhere near the test team. Khawaja should be well and truly ahead of him...

eddiesmith

31 Oct 2010, 20:04

Was he asked specifically about Ferguson, or did he offer the name up himself? Because I really would have thought Khawaja or Hughes, and maybe Smith, would have been ahead of him.
He would have been asked about Ferguson after making some runs and he said there are alot of other players also in the mix

Phone

31 Oct 2010, 20:12

I like the guy and liked what he showed in the ODIS, he is still young, but he only averages 35 at first class level, and has only played 1 FC match in over 12 months.

Is he worthy? And Why?

Serious question.

It's funny how ODI performances are allowed to be used as a reason to pick a player for a test for some players (See: Ferguson), while ODI performances are not allowed to used as a reason to pick a player for tests for others (See: White and in past years Brad Hogg and Andrew Symonds come to mind)

At the end of the day, White, Usman and Ferguson are all better options than North and Hussey, but I'd be picking the first two before Ferguson

SurfingTheVoid

31 Oct 2010, 22:27

It's funny how ODI performances are allowed to be used as a reason to pick a player for a test for some players (See: Ferguson), while ODI performances are not allowed to used as a reason to pick a player for tests for others (See: White and in past years Brad Hogg and Andrew Symonds come to mind)

At the end of the day, White, Usman and Ferguson are all better options than North and Hussey, but I'd be picking the first two before Ferguson

Maybe because selectors aren't stupid (well, not always) like some fans and think that ODI form is everything.

White has rubbish technique. Ferguson has very good technique.

Ferguson should be miles ahead of White for the Test team.

SurfingTheVoid

31 Oct 2010, 22:28

When will people learn? The guy has 5 FC hundreds in 50 matches, he should not be anywhere near the test team. Khawaja should be well and truly ahead of him...

Recent form (his breakout FC season last season, ODI form and current form) are a lot more relevant than career statistics built as a junior.

Drummond

31 Oct 2010, 22:38

wavefall21

31 Oct 2010, 23:12

People seriously underestimate how good Ferguson has become. He was very ordinary in his early years, and he just couldn't convert his starts into 100's, but he's well and truly turned the corner now. Is all class and should be in our Test XI.

Watson
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Ferguson
Khawaja
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger

Too easy. :thumbsu:

I really like that team, but it won't happen, not a chance, selectors are too in love with Mr.Cricket and North for some reason

I really would like to see Hauritz out and maybe take a chance on a Doherty, Hauritz pretty much forced his way into the Test team due to his reasonable form in the ODI arena, don't see why Doherty couldn't, he is much tighter with his lines

Again, I can't see any of this happening, because the selectors are as gutless as they come and love sticking with deadwood who are clearly not up to it

BarneyBent

31 Oct 2010, 23:23

I really like that team, but it won't happen, not a chance, selectors are too in love with Mr.Cricket and North for some reason

I really would like to see Hauritz out and maybe take a chance on a Doherty, Hauritz pretty much forced his way into the Test team due to his reasonable form in the ODI arena, don't see why Doherty couldn't, he is much tighter with his lines

Again, I can't see any of this happening, because the selectors are as gutless as they come and love sticking with deadwood who are clearly not up to it

Steve O'Keefe is waaaay ahead of Doherty in FC cricket, at least based on recent performances. Younger, much better average, better strike rate, more wickets per game, a better batsman, and also has leadership potential (as evidenced by him being handed the captaincy for the NSW vs Sri Lanka games).

Even as it is I'm not sure SOK is ready. I'm all for going in with Hauritz, because nobody else is bashing down the door, but the player rapping loudest is definitely SOK.

TheColeTrain

1 Nov 2010, 08:20

North would surely be the one most under the pump. Hussey probably still has a few credit points with the selectors despite his dismal recent form.
Having said that, I still think any change to usual lineup is a long shot unfortunately.:(

Husseys credits were used up a long time ago, been waiting for a long time for him to come good.
Its not going to happen, he needs to go, but Ferguson does not deserve to be in the Test side, he needs to show he can play in the long game first which so far he has failed to do.

King Elvis

1 Nov 2010, 08:54

I like Fergie, but Khawaja would have to be next in line, surely?

BACCS

1 Nov 2010, 09:05

Husseys credits were used up a long time ago, been waiting for a long time for him to come good.
Its not going to happen, he needs to go, but Ferguson does not deserve to be in the Test side, he needs to show he can play in the long game first which so far he has failed to do.
Please explain how he has failed to impress in the longer form of the game, this should be amusing.

BACCS

1 Nov 2010, 09:07

I like Fergie, but Khawaja would have to be next in line, surely?
Why though? At least Fergie has shown he can play at international level, Khawaja hasn't. Blooding him in the Ashes series could be a disaster if it weren't to work out, whereas Ferguson knows what is required of him at the level, and has the form behind him (while not as good as Khawaja, it still can't be disputed).

TheColeTrain

1 Nov 2010, 09:44

Please explain how he has failed to impress in the longer form of the game, this should be amusing.

His record says it all.
Last year was a big improvement but no way should he be next in line.

Phone

1 Nov 2010, 09:46

oh wow your sig is amazing.

lemmon

1 Nov 2010, 10:33

Why though? At least Fergie has shown he can play at international level, Khawaja hasn't. Blooding him in the Ashes series could be a disaster if it weren't to work out, whereas Ferguson knows what is required of him at the level, and has the form behind him (while not as good as Khawaja, it still can't be disputed).
South Australian bias is strong in this one. Usman has performed consistently at Shield level since he debuted, Ferguson has good recent form but the players opposing records speak for themselves. No one can doubt Ferguson has performed admirably in one day cricket and should be next in line behind Usman but one day games and test matches are so different that comparisons are virtually pointless.

Bomber Bears

1 Nov 2010, 10:37

The other day Was Fergussons 5th first class century in nearly 50 games. to put that in perspective the much maligned Dominic Thornley averaged some 7 runs more and hit 10 first class centuries in 83 games. I mean even in this breakout season a couple of years back his average was a tick under 43 with two centuries. Steve Smith hit four tons last year. Khawaja averages over 50 in 20 odd games with 6 centuries.

There are players who have looked very solid in ODI cricket and been average as hell in test cricket. Beven for example, or more recently Grant Elliot for the Kiwi's. Its a completely different kettle of fish playing in an environment where the aim is to take wickets, not limit the damage.

I like fergusson as a player but I am just not sure he'll be a success. I think he's near enough to selected however, one of North or Hussey has to go.

deeman12

1 Nov 2010, 10:40

Steve O'Keefe is waaaay ahead of Doherty in FC cricket, at least based on recent performances. Younger, much better average, better strike rate, more wickets per game, a better batsman, and also has leadership potential (as evidenced by him being handed the captaincy for the NSW vs Sri Lanka games).

Even as it is I'm not sure SOK is ready. I'm all for going in with Hauritz, because nobody else is bashing down the door, but the player rapping loudest is definitely SOK.
Ponting is set in his ways and won't favour an attacking spinner. Can't see a massive difference in style between Doherty and Hauritz either, so our gutless selectors won't change this.

Ferguson is technically adept enough to play on any wicket and has enough runs on the board to suggest that he won't find the transition to Test cricket overly difficult, therefore I'd replace him for North.

Hussey won't be dropped so who replaces him is a moot point. George Bailey would be a good smokey and is no slouch in the middle-order though.

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 10:47

Please explain how he has failed to impress in the longer form of the game, this should be amusing.

Ferguson - 47 FC matches - 88 innings - 4 centuries - 19 50s - avg of 35

Khawaja - 21 FC matches - 33 innings - 6 centuries - 6 50s - avg of 53

So, not only does Ferguson have an average almost 20 runs lower than Khawaja's, he scores at least 50 in only 26% of his innngs (compared to Khawaja's 36%), and even when he does score above 50, has a 50-100 conversion rate of 17%, compared to Khawaja's 50%.

Ferguson may be talented, but to date he has underperformed badly in FC cricket. A bit of success in ODIs does not make up for an inability to make big scores and build an innings properly in FC cricket. He needs to consistently hit tons before he should be considered ahead of guys like Khawaja, who are classy, dynamic, run scoring machines.

King Elvis

1 Nov 2010, 11:04

Fergie should be on the radar, but Khawaja, Hughes and Smith should all be in front of him.

The way he's gone about it in ODIs is the only thing that has put him in Test contention for mine, he's looked so collected and composed, but the other guys are demanding spots based on performance.

mattymac

1 Nov 2010, 11:34

sure there's maybe a bit of south oz bias re fergs but no more than the inclement clamour for cameron white to be given another go coming from swathes of vicos. we're keen to see him in but i reckon he merits it aswell. he's come a long way and is in good form right now. thats what counts not what he did 5 years ago. if not for his injury in national service he would've been capped last summer. now he's come back from injury and taken up where he left off. bit of loyalty from CA wouldn't be misplaced. he's hungry. he'll take it to the poms and bring a good attitude with him. great technique. he's got a good head on his shoulders too. when we collectivley brain fart it to 4 or 5/60, fergs is a good man to come in. be nice to have a right hander down there aswell, especially with swann on the horizon.

hussey's just failed again in the second. he has to go. chappel's at the game so we'll see. for mine khawaja and fergs need to come in for mr cricket and mr inconsistency. i'd bring smith in straight swap for hauritz. he can't make less of an impact. hughesy i can't see getting a game til kattich retires. hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in recent times either. i'd still like to chew our selectors' arses off though for messing with his head and making him a scapegoat when mitchell johnson lost the plot. that was a disgrace.

Good Win

1 Nov 2010, 11:41

Ferguson - 47 FC matches - 88 innings - 4 centuries - 19 50s - avg of 35

Khawaja - 21 FC matches - 33 innings - 6 centuries - 6 50s - avg of 53

So, not only does Ferguson have an average almost 20 runs lower than Khawaja's, he scores at least 50 in only 26% of his innngs (compared to Khawaja's 36%), and even when he does score above 50, has a 50-100 conversion rate of 17%, compared to Khawaja's 50%.

Ferguson may be talented, but to date he has underperformed badly in FC cricket. A bit of success in ODIs does not make up for an inability to make big scores and build an innings properly in FC cricket. He needs to consistently hit tons before he should be considered ahead of guys like Khawaja, who are classy, dynamic, run scoring machines.

Dude, Ferguson is a "late bloomer" so to speak. He is clearly a better batsmen than an average of 35 as the stats he compiled at the start of his career aren't a true representation of his current ability.

Not saying i would pick Ferguson over Kwawaja though, still undecided.

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 11:45

Dude, Ferguson is a "late bloomer" so to speak. He is clearly a better batsmen than an average of 35 as the stats he compiled at the start of his career aren't a true representation of his current ability.

Not saying i would pick Ferguson over Kwawaja though, still undecided.

I know he's a better batsman now than those stats suggest, but so is Khawaja. Khawaja was merely solid when he first came into the side, very good in 08-09, and has been simply fantastic since. You take Khawaja's best form and Ferguson's best form, and Khawaja is still comfortably on top.

The Governor

1 Nov 2010, 12:10

hussey's just failed again in the second. he has to go. chappel's at the game so we'll see. for mine khawaja and fergs need to come in for mr cricket and mr inconsistency. i'd bring smith in straight swap for hauritz. he can't make less of an impact. hughesy i can't see getting a game til kattich retires. hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in recent times either. i'd still like to chew our selectors' arses off though for messing with his head and making him a scapegoat when mitchell johnson lost the plot. that was a disgrace.

Yep!!

And, Graeme Wood's young brother is currently batting with Shaun Marsh in the 2nd innings of the shield match against the Croweaters!

The funny thing is Hilditch always gives players who play for their own spots a chance to save their test spots.

When will GS Chappell rule with an iron fist and make the executive decision that players like Marcus North do not become valuable members of a successful winning test match team. If you go back to Dean Jones' axing in November 1992, the decision was the best choice the selectors made for the long term future of Australian cricket. The selectors went for youthful batters from 1992 to 1995 to find out who had the attitude and approach to succeeed at test level. THe selectors tried Michael SLater, Damien Martyn, Justin Langer, Greg Blewett and Ricky Ponting. They stuck with Ponting and dropped him on 2 occasions whilst Martyn got his 2nd chance in NZ in 2000. JL got his chance in Pakistan in 1998 and was dropped from the test side in 2001. He made the most of his chance at the Oval when he was included in the side to replace Slater.

And, Hilditch made a big mistake in playing Stephen Smith in the 20-20 match last night. HE is a damn good middle order batsman and he needs to bowl more leg spin bowling in 4 day shield matches for NSW. He should have been playing in the shield match against Qld at the GABBA to allow him to obtain valuable bowling and batting practice in the 4 day game.

In conclusion, Digga or the Happy Hooker can go down as the worse selector in the history of Australian cricket.

THE GOVERNOR

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 12:17

Yep!!

And, Graeme Wood's young brother is currently batting with Shaun Marsh in the 2nd innings of the shield match against the Croweaters!

The funny thing is Hilditch always gives players who play for their own spots a chance to save their test spots.

When will GS Chappell rule with an iron fist and make the executive decision that players like Marcus North do not become valuable members of a successful winning test match team. If you go back to Dean Jones' axing in November 1992, the decision was the best choice the selectors made for the long term future of Australian cricket. The selectors went for youthful batters from 1992 to 1995 to find out who had the attitude and approach to succeeed at test level. THe selectors tried Michael SLater, Damien Martyn, Justin Langer, Greg Blewett and Ricky Ponting. They stuck with Ponting and dropped him on 2 occasions whilst Martyn got his 2nd chance in NZ in 2000. JL got his chance in Pakistan in 1998 and was dropped from the test side in 2001. He made the most of his chance at the Oval when he was included in the side to replace Slater.

And, Hilditch made a big mistake in playing Stephen Smith in the 20-20 match last night. HE is a damn good middle order batsman and he needs to bowl more leg spin bowling in 4 day shield matches for NSW. He should have been playing in the shield match against Qld at the GABBA to allow him to obtain valuable bowling and batting practice in the 4 day game.

In conclusion, Digga or the Happy Hooker can go down as the worse selector in the history of Australian cricket.

THE GOVERNOR

It's funny, Governor. The quality of your posts are inversely proportional to the amount of times you mention "Katich" in them.

Although I do think Smith was right to play in the T20 game, he is in our best T20 side, and the selectors wanted Hauritz to be the lone spinner so they could see as much of him as possible.

jackster83

1 Nov 2010, 15:29

Marcus North grrrrrrrr. :mad:

Cost the Redbacks a chance of an outright victory and now we are stuck with him in the test side for a while longer.

Blue Red and Gold

1 Nov 2010, 15:31

I dont see the point in holding Fergs career average against him, shouldnt we just consider current form?

If we are to pick the side on past form Hussey wont even be dropped, cant drop a bloke for current form only to ignore the current form of the possible replacement.

BACCS

1 Nov 2010, 15:39

Marcus North grrrrrrrr. :mad:

Cost the Redbacks a chance of an outright victory and now we are stuck with him in the test side for a while longer.
Yep, gave the selectors another excuse to pick him.:(

mattymac

1 Nov 2010, 16:02

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 16:06

Phone

1 Nov 2010, 16:08

I dont see the point in holding Fergs career average against him, shouldnt we just consider current form?

You're right.

He's only made 100 odd runs in First Class cricket over the past 15 months. dud.

mattymac

1 Nov 2010, 16:27

Even on recent form, he isn't that great. He's good, but he's still behind Khawaja, Hughes, Smith and White.

hughes doesn't seem to be in great touch atm. can't see him coming in til he takes kats spot. white seems to have been pidgeonholed as a limited overs specialist by the selectors. doesn't even seem to get considered for test duties. think he even said himself he's not expecting any ashes action.

amer

1 Nov 2010, 16:28

That North guy and the other one - Hussey - they shouldn't be in the test side anymore. They don't know how to hit the ball with the stick, while there are other guys who can. Cam Ferguson and Ernie Kawasaka, etc, much better at hitting the ball away from the fielders and stopping it from hitting their wood. Impress.

The Governor

1 Nov 2010, 16:29

damn you marcus north! *shakes fist*

won't drop him now. trouble is he's safe as houses in the shield, then tons up in tests whenever the pressures off but whenever we really need him to come through to stop one of our signature collapses he folds. not a pressure player and too bloody inconsistent. but we'll be stuck with him now

Damn!!

Marcus North is definitely related to Dean Jones and Graeme Wood. During the 80s, Jones and Wood loved to score centuries when there was a huge amount of talk about their test places being threatened.

I am praying for an England victory in Brisbane for one reason. The selectors will go for a DAD's Army batting lineup that has continually failed to bury the opposition at crucial times in a test match, and it would be great to see North and Hussey fail. There will be an enormous amount of pressure on the selectors to terminate the careers of North, Hussey and Katich. Ian Chappell, Mark Taylor, Bill Lawry and Tony Greig will be calling for their omissions in favour of youthful batsmen.

Comeon Hilditch. Why don't you pick an unchanged batting lineup for the 1st test match and Chappelli, Bill Lawry, Richie Benaud, Michael Slater and Tony Greig will be calling for the axings of Katich, North and Hussey?

Greg Chappell will be definitely listening to Ian's views in the CHannel 9 box.

It is about time for the Chappell brothers to lead the resurrection of Australia's dominance as a number 1 test nation and eliminate the Bob Simpson disease in the Australian selection panel (Andrew Hilditch).

THE GOVERNOR

Blue Red and Gold

1 Nov 2010, 16:37

Even on recent form, he isn't that great. He's good, but he's still behind Khawaja, Hughes, Smith and White.
Im not saying that he is ahead of those you mentioned although I will argue he is ahead of White. I am ust knocking the theory some people have applied to their arguement.

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 16:56

Im not saying that he is ahead of those you mentioned although I will argue he is ahead of White. I am ust knocking the theory some people have applied to their arguement.

White is ahead of Ferguson in all facets (batting, bowling, fielding, leadership) and all forms (4/5 day, 1 day and T20) of the game. Not by much (except in T20, where White is one of the best in the world), but he's still ahead. The only thing going for Ferguson over White is age, and they're both young enough for that to be irrelevant.

BACCS

1 Nov 2010, 17:38

White is ahead of Ferguson in all facets (batting, bowling, fielding, leadership) and all forms (4/5 day, 1 day and T20) of the game. Not by much (except in T20, where White is one of the best in the world), but he's still ahead. The only thing going for Ferguson over White is age, and they're both young enough for that to be irrelevant.
You really don't like Ferguson, I'm not sure why though, care to give me a reason? Also, when you talk about bias, I could apply the same theory to your posts re. Kwajajdhsaj and Hughes.

BACCS

1 Nov 2010, 17:39

Blue Red and Gold

1 Nov 2010, 18:53

White is ahead of Ferguson in all facets (batting, bowling, fielding, leadership) and all forms (4/5 day, 1 day and T20) of the game. Not by much (except in T20, where White is one of the best in the world), but he's still ahead. The only thing going for Ferguson over White is age, and they're both young enough for that to be irrelevant.
maybe in stats and the like, but it seems his card has been stamped. I would be very suprised if White were to get a gig, rightly or wrongly, ahead of Ferg, Kwajha, Smith or Hughes.

Bucking Beads

1 Nov 2010, 20:25

White is ahead of Ferguson in all facets (batting, bowling, fielding, leadership) and all forms (4/5 day, 1 day and T20) of the game. Not by much (except in T20, where White is one of the best in the world), but he's still ahead. The only thing going for Ferguson over White is age, and they're both young enough for that to be irrelevant.

White is rubbish, he has a crap technique and can't bowl for crap. Ferguson is a gun batsmen and will make thousands of runs for Australia. White is perfect for ODI and 20/20 cricket that is all. He probably should be captain of both those sides.

SurfingTheVoid

1 Nov 2010, 21:00

BarneyBent

1 Nov 2010, 23:07

You really don't like Ferguson, I'm not sure why though, care to give me a reason? Also, when you talk about bias, I could apply the same theory to your posts re. Kwajajdhsaj and Hughes.

I don't dislike Ferguson at all. I love him as an ODI player, and I reckon he should come into the ODI team ASAP. He's a perfect number 6, and will take over the finishers role in that team when the Huss eventually retires.

Also, how on earth could you apply the same theory to Khawaja and Hughes? Both are better players than White in FC cricket, while White is a long way ahead in the shorter forms.

maybe in stats and the like, but it seems his card has been stamped. I would be very suprised if White were to get a gig, rightly or wrongly, ahead of Ferg, Kwajha, Smith or Hughes.

I would be surprised to. If I were selecting the team, I'd have White in before Ferguson, but the selectors have a thing for Ferguson which seems to be traced back to his u18 days.

White is rubbish, he has a crap technique and can't bowl for crap. Ferguson is a gun batsmen and will make thousands of runs for Australia. White is perfect for ODI and 20/20 cricket that is all. He probably should be captain of both those sides.

Lol, no. White has shown more in FC cricket than Ferguson has, both over their careers and recently. White's technique is not ideal, but neither (from what I've seen) is Fergies. Ferguson also struggles to build an innings; his conversion rate of 50s to 100s is deplorable for a middle order batsman. Personally, I'm not a huuuuge fan of White in the Test side, because his technique and overall FC record aren't brilliant, but I'd have him inching out Ferguson.

Ferguson is a much better FC batsman than White.

Evidence?

Smokey_22

1 Nov 2010, 23:25

King Elvis

2 Nov 2010, 09:08

It doesn't matter.

North just has to make a ton one out of every ten Tests, and he's golden.

Belnakor

2 Nov 2010, 09:18

western royboy

2 Nov 2010, 10:27

Its uncanny how good North is at making runs with the pressure off. Reminds me so much of Dean Jones. He'd be finished then in a dead rubber he'd make 200.

North, you could literally put your house on him going cheaply when there is a collapse.

Hence my thread posted in jest that North is Australia's greatest ever downhill skier - but I got no love for it.

I like Marcus North but if my nuts were on the line - i'd be in trouble

mattymac

2 Nov 2010, 12:34

Shield form 09/10: 29, 4, 23, 15, 20, 3, 8, 0. AVG: 12.75

haha lol...ok...always had the impression he had a good fc record. just checked his 08/09 season and that was pretty ordinary aswell. guess his county stints are propping up his fc average. god knows how he got selected in the first place. seems to be his finger spin was all the rage... averaging 37 in tests at 31 years old and failing whenever we need him to stand up just isn't worthy of a spot. shoulda been given for a third ball duck again yesterday too but he's a lucky bastard when it comes to clinging to his spot. someone just has to make the call and chop him

Punchy Bassett

2 Nov 2010, 12:41

North was very very lucky not to be out early in his innings, huge LBW shout that looked quite close.

Special88

2 Nov 2010, 17:26

Surely Cam White has to be close... Last 2 years is as good as there is...

Hussey's time is up... And North should be too but saved himself with a test hundred now also in the shield.... Selectors need to finally make a stand that mediocrity won't be accepted after our recent shit results... I would have White and Khawaja in and give Ferguson some time in the Shield after his injury and needs a year of consistent run scoring.

SurfingTheVoid

2 Nov 2010, 18:41

Lol, no. White has shown more in FC cricket than Ferguson has, both over their careers and recently. White's technique is not ideal, but neither (from what I've seen) is Fergies. Ferguson also struggles to build an innings; his conversion rate of 50s to 100s is deplorable for a middle order batsman. Personally, I'm not a huuuuge fan of White in the Test side, because his technique and overall FC record aren't brilliant, but I'd have him inching out Ferguson.

Evidence?

Are you joking? Take County 2nd Division fun runs out of White's stats, and his FC record is incredibly mediocre - he's more experienced than Ferguson, yet let's consider the following Pura Cup stats:

Ferg: 45 matches, 83 innings, ave 37.03 5x100/18x50

White: 71 matches, 119 innings, ave 36.24, 5x100/22x50

OUCH! Just 4 more 50s in 36 more innings, only about 15 of which would have been when he was down the order as a bowler (that experiment ended quickly). A lower average to boot. What was that about "shown more" again?

Frankly, White's Pura Cup record (where it counts), is a shocker - his improvement has been very minimal season-by-season.

Ferg, on the other hand, has really broken out the last couple of seasons and it shows.

Sorry mate, but your claims on White are completely off the reservation.

SurfingTheVoid

2 Nov 2010, 18:45

Surely Cam White has to be close... Last 2 years is as good as there is...

The same Cam White who averages 36 in Pura Cup and didn't score a single hundred last season?

As good as there is?

Wow.

Special88

2 Nov 2010, 19:01

Err he played 4 games including an 89 in the shield final, and only played the 4 because he was off dominating the international one day scene... And the year before in the shield season played the 5 games averaging 57.....

Do your research much??

Special88

2 Nov 2010, 19:15

Ok lets compare recent years to give a better understanding of form rather than just slating him for his career average considering he began as an 18 year old kid better known for his bowling...

White:
07/08 9 matches (17 innings) 748 runs 49.87 average
08/09 5(8) 462 @ 57.75

Ferguson:
07/08 8 (16) 498 @33.20
08/09 9(16) 644 @42.93

Add onto that White's excellent performances in international limited overs cricket..... He has earned the right the be right in the mix...

eddiesmith

2 Nov 2010, 19:15

BarneyBent

2 Nov 2010, 19:20

Are you joking? Take County 2nd Division fun runs out of White's stats, and his FC record is incredibly mediocre - he's more experienced than Ferguson, yet let's consider the following Pura Cup stats:

Ferg: 45 matches, 83 innings, ave 37.03 5x100/18x50

White: 71 matches, 119 innings, ave 36.24, 5x100/22x50

OUCH! Just 4 more 50s in 36 more innings, only about 15 of which would have been when he was down the order as a bowler (that experiment ended quickly). A lower average to boot. What was that about "shown more" again?

Frankly, White's Pura Cup record (where it counts), is a shocker - his improvement has been very minimal season-by-season.

Ferg, on the other hand, has really broken out the last couple of seasons and it shows.

Sorry mate, but your claims on White are completely off the reservation.

Ferg has broken out in the last couple of seasons?! Last season he didn't play, and in 08/09 he averaged 42.

Compare that to White's Sheffield Shield record since 07/08. He averages a tick over 50.

Whose claims are off the mark again?

Special88

2 Nov 2010, 19:21

Having already shown White entered this season with more runs at a better average than Khawaja in the last 3 years maybe its time to do the same with Ferguson, although just a warning, it looks pretty ugly, might have to include Fergusons hundred this week to help him out a bit :)

Callum Ferguson since 2007/08
1281 @ 41, 3 centuries

Cameron White since 2007/08
1539 runs @ 51.3, 3 centuries

Oh and that is with Ferguson having 1 more innings...

I don't even know what this guy is on about saying White has shown minimal improvement over the years lol... He only plays half the shield season these days because he's off dominating international one dayers.... And he began his career has an 18 year old best known for his bowling.... Over the last 3 or so years has established himself as a quality bat who I believe should be considered for a number 6 spot.....

Wtf is STV basing his argument on? lol

eddiesmith

2 Nov 2010, 19:24

I don't even know what this guy is on about saying White has shown minimal improvement over the years lol... He only plays half the shield season these days because he's off dominating international one dayers.... And he began his career has an 18 year old best known for his bowling.... Over the last 3 or so years has established himself as a quality bat who I believe should be considered for a number 6 spot.....

Wtf is STV basing his argument on? lol
Because White is always off with the international side he doesnt make big runs for Victoria and having played 10 ODIs in between each first class fixture doesnt convert his 50's so without big scores every continues the oh, he is crap at first class cricket argument and they dont check the stats which show he is very consistent and improving, most people never change their thoughts on a player no matter what they do

Of course it also has alot to do with overrated other players, lets not Ferguson is a young superstar and White is getting old, a huge age difference between the 2 ;)

BarneyBent

2 Nov 2010, 19:26

Having already shown White entered this season with more runs at a better average than Khawaja in the last 3 years...

A minimally better average, with fewer centuries, and Khawaja overtook White's average in his first innings of the year. Khawaja is also younger, with a better technique. :)

eddiesmith

2 Nov 2010, 19:30

A minimally better average, with fewer centuries, and Khawaja overtook White's average in his first innings of the year. Khawaja is also younger, with a better technique. :)
Yeah but he only played SA at Adelaide, i think Hodgey started last year with a double in Adelaide ;) But from most comments you would have expected Khawaja to be a long way in front

Anyway I am looking forward to next week :)

HFF_07

2 Nov 2010, 19:33

Sorry to say this but White has had his international duties stamped to the shorter forms of the game..

As much as I would love another Victorian in the team, Ferguson is probably ahead of Khawaja for a test call up.

The selectors like to see players who have had:

a) consecutive impressive seasons (think Phillip Hughes)

&

b) played in shorter forms of the game against international attacks (think Michael Clarke)

Sadly to say this but at the moment the test pecking order probably is:

Callum Ferguson
Cameron White
Usman Khawaja

BarneyBent

2 Nov 2010, 19:44

bunsen burner

2 Nov 2010, 19:56

Sadly to say this but at the moment the test pecking order probably is:

Callum Ferguson
Cameron White
Usman Khawaja
White has had his papers stamped and rightly so. I don't believe he would even be in the mix.

Ferguson and Khawaja would have to be neck and neck with Hughes lurking. Smith and Paine also are putting pressure on.

King Elvis

2 Nov 2010, 21:40

I like White, but forget about him in the Test arena.

Khawaja
Hughes
Smith

Those are the next 3 guys who *need* to be in our Test side.

Smith for Hauritz.
Khawaja for North.
Hughes for Hussey.

Kat/Pup need to bowl more.

Simple.

SurfingTheVoid

2 Nov 2010, 22:32

Special88

2 Nov 2010, 22:38

Funny all these desperate Victorians trying to inflate White's tyres.

He's played 36 more innings than Ferguson, can't even score ONE more century than him in that time, and averages LESS than him.

Dearie me.

Plus, his technique is shocking. Granted, he's done well in ODIs recently, but geez - he's had enough chances. Ferg performed from ODI 1. White got, what, 15-20 ODIs before he actually added anything to the team?

Good on you just choosing to ignore all the stats we pulled out lol... Recent form is what counts... You said White has shown minimal improvement over his career.... His average of 51 in the last 3 years says otherwise... Is superior to Ferguson's record also....

Didn't read what I said about White beginning his career as an 18 year old better known as a bowler and developed himself into a batsman while already in the system...

But please... keep going......

eddiesmith

2 Nov 2010, 22:49

Funny all these desperate Victorians trying to inflate White's tyres.

He's played 36 more innings than Ferguson, can't even score ONE more century than him in that time, and averages LESS than him.

Dearie me.

Plus, his technique is shocking. Granted, he's done well in ODIs recently, but geez - he's had enough chances. Ferg performed from ODI 1. White got, what, 15-20 ODIs before he actually added anything to the team?
Yeah it was about 15-20 ODIs before he scored his 1st century, just not acceptable for your no7-8.

Taking away your very anti White views there, I wouldnt say he didnt contribute, 40* in a few of them is about all he could do, not much time spent in the team reguarly, he had only just became a regular in 2009 and then he started making runs, amazingly coincided with a move up the batting order...coincidence I am sure

But being a year older than Ferguson that would mean White made his mark at ODI level at the same age as Ferguson, sure he had a few shots earlier but as a lower order slogger not as a real batsman

It seems people just cant accept he has improved from a slogger to a proper batsman these days

SurfingTheVoid

3 Nov 2010, 07:15

Good on you just choosing to ignore all the stats we pulled out lol... Recent form is what counts... You said White has shown minimal improvement over his career.... His average of 51 in the last 3 years says otherwise... Is superior to Ferguson's record also....

Didn't read what I said about White beginning his career as an 18 year old better known as a bowler and developed himself into a batsman while already in the system...

But please... keep going......

So you're continuing to ride on the fact that in White's much longer career, he hasn't been able to score even one more Pura Cup century than Ferguson?

Wow. Pretty dismal.

And by the way - not-outs inflate averages.

Yeah it was about 15-20 ODIs before he scored his 1st century, just not acceptable for your no7-8.

Before he really did anything, not just his first century.

Hussey was able to perform well in the lower-order from the get-go. As were other players. White was just shit. He got a much longer run than others have got.

Taking away your very anti White views there, I wouldnt say he didnt contribute, 40* in a few of them is about all he could do, not much time spent in the team reguarly, he had only just became a regular in 2009 and then he started making runs, amazingly coincided with a move up the batting order...coincidence I am sure

No, there was no coincidence as you claim. White was tried in multiple positions and shit in all of them for a long time.

But being a year older than Ferguson that would mean White made his mark at ODI level at the same age as Ferguson, sure he had a few shots earlier but as a lower order slogger not as a real batsman

Maybe that should prove the point to you that Ferguson was a real batsman because he has a real batsman's technique.

Might explain a lot of things.

amer

3 Nov 2010, 07:44

Khawaja *must* play in the first test. Smith and Hughes should be around the mark, but we're kidding ourselves if we think the selectors will make wholesale changes ahead of such an important series. It'll be one in, one out if it's to be anything.

Ferg's average is not indicative of the quality of player he is, he'd average well over 40 as a test batsman. But if I were a selector and had to make the call, Usburger's shown a sustained run of form and deserves first crack.

BarneyBent

3 Nov 2010, 09:32

So you're continuing to ride on the fact that in White's much longer career, he hasn't been able to score even one more Pura Cup century than Ferguson?

Wow. Pretty dismal.

And by the way - not-outs inflate averages.

OK, disclaimer: I am a NSWman born and bred, with the particular bias against Victoria that most NSWmen have. Also, my dad's side of the family is from Adelaide, I really like SA, and SA are probably my second team in state cricket (I'd have a soft spot for the Crows and Port in the AFL except I've had some particularly bad experiences with Crows supporters, and Port are, well, Port! :o)

I have also, many times, been on the other side of this argument regarding White. In fact, with regard to Khawaja, I am right now.

But even with that said, White has been a specialist batsman for a shorter time than Ferguson, has a much higher average over their careers (or an equivalent average if you consider only SS performances, which is fair enough), and in the last 3 years, his performances in FC cricket have shat all over Ferguson's. There is no escaping that. White could have been playing grade cricket before that time, and it wouldn't matter. On anything approximating recent form, statistically speaking, White>Ferguson.

Should White be in the Test team/considered as backup? I don't know. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of his technique, and do wonder whether he'd be a good fit. Then again, I wondered the same thing about Symonds, and Roy made the number 6 his own (after a few false starts). Boy, wouldn't we love him back (just off topic, bloody hell I miss watching him play!). But I do know that he has done a lot more to warrant a Test spot than Ferguson has done, so far.

As for n.o.'s, they do, and for good reason. They often reflect good batsmen batting too low in the order. In other words, White in the first half of his career. They also reward good innings cut short by the end of a game/declaration.

It's interesting that Ferguson has so few n.o.'s, actually. Perhaps it's that difficulty staying in past the 60 mark or so? :o

Before he really did anything, not just his first century.

Hussey was able to perform well in the lower-order from the get-go. As were other players. White was just shit. He got a much longer run than others have got.

What? White came in playing the same sort of role that Hopes plays. His job was to blast as many runs as possible in the dying stages. That's never a job that lends itself to high scores and high averages. It's why Hopes has been such an under appreciated batsman for so long (though he is genuinely starting to slow down now). People look at his scores and his average without thinking about the context they were made in. 30 off 30 in the final overs can be as valuable as 60 off 80 by an opener.

Since then, White has moved up the order, and established himself as a full-time batsman, and has been bloody good at it. More damaging than Ferguson, who, as it happens, has benefited greatly in the team from n.o.'s (irony right there), which are a far less encouraging stat in limited overs cricket, where a wicket is worth less in the context of balls faced. Not that his SR isn't impressive, I'm not bagging him, Ferguson has been a gun, he's a fantastic cricketer and I love him in this format, but in OD cricket, sometimes you'd rather a bloke batting at 7 bump up the scoring rate and get out a little sooner than hold on to his wicket and stay not out. Obviously it depends on the circumstances though.

The point is, Ferguson, despite a better average, has less runs per innings (27.23) than White (30.37) in ODI cricket.

No, there was no coincidence as you claim. White was tried in multiple positions and shit in all of them for a long time.

Not one part of that statement is true. I bet if White wasn't seen as a threat to wonder-boy Ferguson's Test prospects, you wouldn't be saying this.

Maybe that should prove the point to you that Ferguson was a real batsman because he has a real batsman's technique.

Might explain a lot of things.

How on earth you could glean this from that is beyond me. White was tried as a lower order slogger because he was rated as an allrounder, and that's where allrounders play (that or opening). Don't ask me why, it's almost conventional.

White's technique is a lot better than people give him credit for. It's far from perfect, but to honest, neither is Ferguson's. Ferguson is great to look at, but from what I've seen in his ODI games, can tend to play a bit uppishly, possibly a problem with the bottom hand, or keeping the top elbow nice and straight. From what I've read/heard, he has the same problem in FC cricket.

In any case, both have better techniques than Steve Smith, who has had more FC success than either of them, Phil Hughes, whose record we are all familiar with, Phil Jaques, who only left the Test team because of a bad back, Andrew Symonds, who wound up being a gun Test player for his short stay, Justin Langer, half of arguably the best opening batsman combo this country has ever seen, Simon Katich, we all know him, and I could go on rattling off names from overseas as well. Technique is a factor, but it's overrated. So long as it works, so long as it allows players to perform, it's fine.

Blue Red and Gold

3 Nov 2010, 14:50

Yeah White is seeing em really well

western royboy

3 Nov 2010, 15:27

Technique is a factor, but it's overrated. So long as it works, so long as it allows players to perform, it's fine.

No can't have that. Technique is what allows players to perform consistently, particularly at Test level.

Agreed it's one of the thre main requirements

Technical / Physical / Mental / Luck being the fouth but to say it's overrated is probably a bit silly.

Show me a long term successful batsman with a dodgy technique?

The only one I know of is Sehwag - he has an eye like a dead fish - but he has also had some runs of horrendous form where he couldn't buy a run.

The steps between levels are now much bigger, pitches are slower in general and for some reason there would appear to be fewer real quicks around. Bottom handed techniques are now sneaking into higher forms of cricket.

But at Test level - eventually those with technical flaws will be exposed and sent back to remediate their problems. Plenty have done so and returned better players. Equally plenty have fallen by the wayside never to return.

Technically White and D Hussey do not cover their off stick enough and can be bowled or nick early in their innings becuase they tend to play a bit inside out(refer C White today). I haven't seen enough of Ferguson but I respect some of my SA counterparts when they say he's not done enough.

Khawaja - I like. Phillip Hughes form a technical point of view is just horrible. For him to be successful long term he would have to be in the Sehwag category - Sehwag's advantage is that he plays on slow low decks. 50% of Hughes tests will be played on something with a bit more zing in them which makes that unlikely unless he can make some alterations - like so many others have.

HFF_07

3 Nov 2010, 18:31

Khawaja is from NSW.

Also, Ferguson fails majorly on a). He hasn't even had one impressive FC season yet, never mind consecutive ones.

Didn't Michael Clarke average like mid 30's when he was gifted a run in the test side?

Dearie me people have a short memory..

HFF_07

3 Nov 2010, 18:35

Special88

3 Nov 2010, 19:48

No can't have that. Technique is what allows players to perform consistently, particularly at Test level.

Agreed it's one of the thre main requirements

Technical / Physical / Mental / Luck being the fouth but to say it's overrated is probably a bit silly.

Show me a long term successful batsman with a dodgy technique?

The only one I know of is Sehwag - he has an eye like a dead fish - but he has also had some runs of horrendous form where he couldn't buy a run..

Trescothic? What about Katich even Haddin (If you don't know what im talking about watch the way he defends) All have unorthodox technique and are successful... What are your thoughts on Steve Smith and Hughes then? Effectiveness is what counts.

BarneyBent

3 Nov 2010, 19:52

Didn't Michael Clarke average like mid 30's when he was gifted a run in the test side?

Dearie me people have a short memory..

Not a short memory at all. Clarke was a speculative selection, yes, but what is more impressive? A 21 year old averaging 35, or a 26 year old averaging 35?

When selecting a guy at the age Clarke was selected, factoring in some improvement is fair enough. Ferguson is at the age where he really should be performing consistently, but he's not.

HFF_07

3 Nov 2010, 20:13

Not a short memory at all. Clarke was a speculative selection, yes, but what is more impressive? A 21 year old averaging 35, or a 26 year old averaging 35?

When selecting a guy at the age Clarke was selected, factoring in some improvement is fair enough. Ferguson is at the age where he really should be performing consistently, but he's not.

And Ferguson has organised his off field life together which has seen his stocks rise..

Clarke was speculative? yes! Ferguson is speculative? yes!

I'm not going to bother arguing this point, Ferguson is in the mix to play in Brisbane (I honestly do not think that he will now that Hussey has made some runs and North made some at domestic level.

Still see a future in Ferguson, may not be right now, but we should see him with a Baggy Green in the near future mark my words.

SurfingTheVoid

3 Nov 2010, 22:08

OK, disclaimer: I am a NSWman born and bred, with the particular bias against Victoria that most NSWmen have. Also, my dad's side of the family is from Adelaide, I really like SA, and SA are probably my second team in state cricket (I'd have a soft spot for the Crows and Port in the AFL except I've had some particularly bad experiences with Crows supporters, and Port are, well, Port! :o)

I have also, many times, been on the other side of this argument regarding White. In fact, with regard to Khawaja, I am right now.

But even with that said, White has been a specialist batsman for a shorter time than Ferguson, has a much higher average over their careers (or an equivalent average if you consider only SS performances, which is fair enough), and in the last 3 years, his performances in FC cricket have shat all over Ferguson's. There is no escaping that. White could have been playing grade cricket before that time, and it wouldn't matter. On anything approximating recent form, statistically speaking, White>Ferguson.

Should White be in the Test team/considered as backup? I don't know. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of his technique, and do wonder whether he'd be a good fit. Then again, I wondered the same thing about Symonds, and Roy made the number 6 his own (after a few false starts). Boy, wouldn't we love him back (just off topic, bloody hell I miss watching him play!). But I do know that he has done a lot more to warrant a Test spot than Ferguson has done, so far.

As for n.o.'s, they do, and for good reason. They often reflect good batsmen batting too low in the order. In other words, White in the first half of his career. They also reward good innings cut short by the end of a game/declaration.

It's interesting that Ferguson has so few n.o.'s, actually. Perhaps it's that difficulty staying in past the 60 mark or so? :o

What? White came in playing the same sort of role that Hopes plays. His job was to blast as many runs as possible in the dying stages. That's never a job that lends itself to high scores and high averages. It's why Hopes has been such an under appreciated batsman for so long (though he is genuinely starting to slow down now). People look at his scores and his average without thinking about the context they were made in. 30 off 30 in the final overs can be as valuable as 60 off 80 by an opener.

Since then, White has moved up the order, and established himself as a full-time batsman, and has been bloody good at it. More damaging than Ferguson, who, as it happens, has benefited greatly in the team from n.o.'s (irony right there), which are a far less encouraging stat in limited overs cricket, where a wicket is worth less in the context of balls faced. Not that his SR isn't impressive, I'm not bagging him, Ferguson has been a gun, he's a fantastic cricketer and I love him in this format, but in OD cricket, sometimes you'd rather a bloke batting at 7 bump up the scoring rate and get out a little sooner than hold on to his wicket and stay not out. Obviously it depends on the circumstances though.

The point is, Ferguson, despite a better average, has less runs per innings (27.23) than White (30.37) in ODI cricket.

Not one part of that statement is true. I bet if White wasn't seen as a threat to wonder-boy Ferguson's Test prospects, you wouldn't be saying this.

How on earth you could glean this from that is beyond me. White was tried as a lower order slogger because he was rated as an allrounder, and that's where allrounders play (that or opening). Don't ask me why, it's almost conventional.

White's technique is a lot better than people give him credit for. It's far from perfect, but to honest, neither is Ferguson's. Ferguson is great to look at, but from what I've seen in his ODI games, can tend to play a bit uppishly, possibly a problem with the bottom hand, or keeping the top elbow nice and straight. From what I've read/heard, he has the same problem in FC cricket.

In any case, both have better techniques than Steve Smith, who has had more FC success than either of them, Phil Hughes, whose record we are all familiar with, Phil Jaques, who only left the Test team because of a bad back, Andrew Symonds, who wound up being a gun Test player for his short stay, Justin Langer, half of arguably the best opening batsman combo this country has ever seen, Simon Katich, we all know him, and I could go on rattling off names from overseas as well. Technique is a factor, but it's overrated. So long as it works, so long as it allows players to perform, it's fine.

This is all a load of rubbish.

Ferguson's average in SS is better than White's. His technique is better than White's. White has been a specialist batsman longer than Ferguson (not the reverse as you falsely claim). He also played multiple positions in the ODI team, and had multiple opportunities to build an innings, before actually succeeding.

Seriously, you're just talking shit.

The only stats that matter: Ferg averages better than White in SS as well as ODIs. Says everything.

BACCS

3 Nov 2010, 22:16

A lot of stat spinning in this thread, my head is sore.

Special88

3 Nov 2010, 22:34

This is all a load of rubbish.

Ferguson's average in SS is better than White's. His technique is better than White's. White has been a specialist batsman longer than Ferguson (not the reverse as you falsely claim). He also played multiple positions in the ODI team, and had multiple opportunities to build an innings, before actually succeeding.

Seriously, you're just talking shit.

The only stats that matter: Ferg averages better than White in SS as well as ODIs. Says everything.

No it's not.. Where do you get your info from lol.. And why do you keep talking about whose been playing longer..... got nothing to do with it the last 3 years is hat counts and white has been superior to ferguson.

eddiesmith

3 Nov 2010, 22:41

Frankly, White's Pura Cup record (where it counts), is a shocker - his improvement has been very minimal season-by-season.

Ferg, on the other hand, has really broken out the last couple of seasons and it shows.

Sorry mate, but your claims on White are completely off the reservation.

I am still laughing at these lines, Whites averages over 50 are no improvement but Ferguson cracking 40 for the first time in his career is breaking out :D

BarneyBent

3 Nov 2010, 22:42

This is all a load of rubbish.

Ferguson's average in SS is better than White's.

Not over the past 3 years he hasn't.

His technique is better than White's.

Yeah, so? Neither's technique is perfect.

White has been a specialist batsman longer than Ferguson (not the reverse as you falsely claim).

Um, quite simply, no he hasn't. Ferguson came into the SA side a batsman. White came into the Vic side a bowler who could swing the bat.

He also played multiple positions in the ODI team, and had multiple opportunities to build an innings, before actually succeeding.

OK, firstly, this is completely irrelevant. But for the sake of argument, no he didn't. He started off in the side batting 7 or 8, and it wasn't until he was moved up to 5 that he started making runs.

Seriously, you're just talking shit.

The only stats that matter: Ferg averages better than White in SS as well as ODIs. Says everything.

Only stats that matter: White averages much better than Ferg in the SS in the last 3 years.

SurfingTheVoid

4 Nov 2010, 22:05

Sorry mate - Ferg's technique is a lot better than White's.

And, geez...all those extra innings and White still can't even score one more century than Ferg? What was that about conversion?

Special88

4 Nov 2010, 22:09

Sorry mate - Ferg's technique is a lot better than White's.

And, geez...all those extra innings and White still can't even score one more century than Ferg? What was that about conversion?

You've made that point like 10 times now... Do yourself a favor and compare stats from the last 3 years... You have no argument.

BarneyBent

4 Nov 2010, 22:34

Sorry mate - Ferg's technique is a lot better than White's.

And, geez...all those extra innings and White still can't even score one more century than Ferg? What was that about conversion?

What is wrong with your comprehension skills? Over the last 3 years, White's form in FC cricket has been >> Ferguson's, and surely that is the only form that is relevant?

frankrizzo

5 Nov 2010, 03:53

I have no issue with white being considered as a batsmen in the top 6.

As long as he holds his spot purely on runs scored and not on his ability to bowl a few overs, at test level he's about as threatening as clarke and north with the ball.

But it seems a moot point anyway, outside of the bigfooty universe white isn't being touted as one of the next cabs of the rank.

Unless something truly amazing happens he's not going to be considered for a top 6 spot anytime soon.

BACCS

5 Nov 2010, 07:32

For anyone interested, Ferguson is coming up on Triple M here in Adelaide at 8:35 this morning, going one on one with Tredrea in his new segment.

BACCS

5 Nov 2010, 07:34