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Assuming that North's sport is safe with his ton against SA. Who would you rather see playing in the first test for me i would really like to see Ferguson play.
Bucking Beads
2 Nov 2010, 15:47
Ferguson by the length of the straight. I have grown tired of Hussey's mediocre performances over the last 2 years.
thorne89
2 Nov 2010, 15:48
Usman Khawaja
Bomber Bears
2 Nov 2010, 15:53
Khawaja
triplejdude
2 Nov 2010, 15:56
Khawaja thanks.
Drummond
2 Nov 2010, 16:16
Khawaja.
legend166
2 Nov 2010, 16:22
Khawaja Usman
happy_eagle
2 Nov 2010, 16:26
Younis Khan
Doodlesweaver
2 Nov 2010, 16:33
Ferguson as he is a right-hander
BarneyBent
2 Nov 2010, 16:54
Maddinson.
Maddinson.
Because of one good innings?
mattymac
2 Nov 2010, 16:57
fergs. proven composure under pressure at international level, right hander preferred (swann)
Special88
2 Nov 2010, 17:09
Surely Cam White has to be close...
The Governor
2 Nov 2010, 17:11
In: Usman Khawaja; Stephen Smith; Callum Ferguson
OUT: Michael hussey, Marcus North and Simon Katich
And, I found an interesting article about the benefits of picking youth. Lawrie Sawle has some interesting things to say:
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/australian-cricket-doomed-if-we-dont-back-the-young
I think the article basically states that topping up the side with mature age recycled batsmen like North and Katich does not get you anywhere. The results are there and if people really examine Katich's performances, I would rate Graeme Wood a better batsman than Katich!!
Graeme Wood scored runs against the WI pace quartet whilst Katich has struggled against average test bowling attacks of the 21st century. He has scored the runs, but his technical flaws would be exposed by the late Malcolm Marshall and Curtley Ambrose.
THE GOVERNOR
BarneyBent
2 Nov 2010, 17:30
Because of one good innings?
It was a REALLY good innings....:thumbsu:
:o
GOVERNOR. Katich will not be dropped. How many times do we need to tell you this?
Special88
2 Nov 2010, 17:35
Why would you want Katich dropped anyway? And he's proposed to replace him with a middle order batsman? Katich has been our best batsman over the past 2 years...
Blue Dimension
2 Nov 2010, 17:38
Khawaja.
Ferg needs another solid season in FC cricket first.
Graeme Wood scored runs against the WI pace quartet whilst Katich has struggled against average test bowling attacks of the 21st century. He has scored the runs, but his technical flaws would be exposed by the late Malcolm Marshall and Curtley Ambrose.
What an irrelevant point!
bunsen burner
2 Nov 2010, 18:33
Huessey has to go. Whether it be Fergie, Khawaja, or Hughes doesn't matter. The Aussies need to rebuild this summer, but because the ashes are here not too quick. Our real problem are finding gun bowlers. We have heaps of good bowlers but no guns.
Over the next 6-12 months we need to go from:
Katich
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Hilfy
Bollinger
to
Hughes
Watson
Clarke
Ponting
Khawaja
Ferguson
Paine
Smith
Johnson
??
??
Hussey has to go first. Before the first test. If North gets a sub 20 average in his next 4 innings he has to go after the second test. We can't afford to wait 7 tests for him to hit a ton. If he performs, then hold off. I slightly prefer Freguson because he adapted to ODI from the get go. I also think he is captain material.
Unless Katich has a better than average summer he has to go as well. We are not in the right cycle to hang onto 35 year olds unless they scoring lots of runs.
If Hughes demands a spot then he must open, katich either out or first drop.
Usman Khawaja easily. Whats Ferguson even done to warrant selection? He still only averages mid 30s in first class cricket.
Flawed poll. Where is the Khawaja option?
What an irrelevant point!
tbf back in the 80's and 90's the batsmen well and truly dominated Marshall and Ambrose...
The Governor
2 Nov 2010, 19:31
What an irrelevant point!
Cleavy,
You have no idea!!!
Half of the bloggers are ignorant and naive on the history of Australian cricket.
Except for Ponting, the three 35 year old batsmen have to make way for youth!!!
We can kiss the Ashes series goodbye if the selectors decide to continue with 3 batsmen who remind me of Allan Lamb, Mike Gatting and Graham Gooch when they were playing for England in the mid 80s to mid 90s.
Ferguson and Khawaja have to play. Khawaja was an opening batsman for the NSW under 19 and Australian Under 19 teams a couple of years ago.
THE GOVERNOR
The reason I stated it was irrelevant is b/c Katich can only score runs against the teams he is facing. Unless you have access to a time machine, of course! :p
fightingfury_88
2 Nov 2010, 20:47
I'm going to say Hussey just in case Mr Cricket is reading this and feels sad and alone because no one is backing him in on a public forum.:D
the Mr Cricket nickname is another reason to drop him.
The Governor
3 Nov 2010, 08:16
The reason I stated it was irrelevant is b/c Katich can only score runs against the teams he is facing. Unless you have access to a time machine, of course! :p
Cleavy, I have access to a time machine lOL!!
I just wonder if you would like the Australian Test lineup to contain a batsman who resemble the English version of Dad's Army whilst our One Day XI and 20-20 XI contain batsmen who are young, youthful and fearless!!
Do you realise that Ricky Ponting is basically running the show by calling for Hussey and Hauritz to be included in the 1st test XI? Gee, Hilditch is allowing the players to make comments on selection policy!!
I just wonder why Australia's test fortunes are in a huge mess. Our Chairman of Selectors is related to Bobby Simpson who dropped Tim Zoehrer from the test side because he had a fling with one of his daughters!!
THE GOVERNOR
legend166
3 Nov 2010, 09:34
Cleavy, I have access to a time machine lOL!!
I just wonder if you would like the Australian Test lineup to contain a batsman who resemble the English version of Dad's Army whilst our One Day XI and 20-20 XI contain batsmen who are young, youthful and fearless!!
Do you realise that Ricky Ponting is basically running the show by calling for Hussey and Hauritz to be included in the 1st test XI? Gee, Hilditch is allowing the players to make comments on selection policy!!
I just wonder why Australia's test fortunes are in a huge mess. Our Chairman of Selectors is related to Bobby Simpson who dropped Tim Zoehrer from the test side because he had a fling with one of his daughters!!
THE GOVERNOR
I'd like our team to contain the best available players. Katich is currently the best available opener in the country along with Watson.
Hussey and North aren't, that's why they should be dropped. Not because they are old. Not because we need an injection of youth. But because they are no longer the best middle order batsmen in the country. If we had a guy in the Shield averaging 70 I wouldn't care if he was 40. Get him in.
The Australian cricket team is not an Aussie Rules team and should not be treated like one.
Your obsession with youth is creepy.
The Governor
3 Nov 2010, 09:43
I'd like our team to contain the best available players. Katich is currently the best available opener in the country along with Watson.
Hussey and North aren't, that's why they should be dropped. Not because they are old. Not because we need an injection of youth. But because they are no longer the best middle order batsmen in the country. If we had a guy in the Shield averaging 70 I wouldn't care if he was 40. Get him in.
The Australian cricket team is not an Aussie Rules team and should not be treated like one.
Your obsession with youth is creepy.
I think your comments are very naive and ignorant.
We need an injection of youth into the side to re-claim the number 1 test match status from India and establish a 10 year test match winning dynasty.
Do you realise that India and South Africa decided to blood in young batsmen like De Villers and Alma back in 2005-2007 to make sure South African cricket was a dominant nation for a long time?
You tend to forget that Michael Slater and Damien Martyn were picked in the Australian TEST XI back in 1992-1993 in favour of Marsh and Jones. Geoff Marsh and Dean Jones were still capable of playing test cricket for Australia back in 1992-1993, but their inconsistent scores and age were a detriment to the long term future of Australian cricket.
I think half of the bloggers on this site are naive and ignorant on their knowledge of Australian cricket.
THE GOVERNOR
BarneyBent
3 Nov 2010, 09:47
I think your comments are very naive and ignorant.
We need an injection of talent into the side to re-claim the number 1 test match status from India and establish a 10 year test match winning dynasty.
Do you realise that India and South Africa decided to blood in talented batsmen like De Villers and Alma back in 2005-2007 to make sure South African cricket was a dominant nation for a long time?
You tend to forget that Michael Slater and Damien Martyn were picked in the Australian TEST XI back in 1992-1993 in favour of Marsh and Jones. Geoff Marsh and Dean Jones were still capable of playing test cricket for Australia back in 1992-1993, but their inconsistent scores and merely average performances were a detriment to the long term future of Australian cricket.
I think one of the bloggers on this site are naive and ignorant on their knowledge of Australian cricket.
THE GOVERNOR
Great post. I just made a few subtle changes, which I think make it a bit more relevant to our current situation. What do you think?
mattymac
3 Nov 2010, 09:59
gov we can't drop kat. fair enough we need youth in the team for the long term and huss and north shoulda been replaced long before the ashes started so their replacements could bed in. but we need to keep some form of experienced cadre. lets face it, ricky's not the most gifted captain going round and is prone to panic and get the shits up when things aren't going his way and the next most experienced is michael clarke which is hardly a comforting prospect. when it gets tough you need experienced blokes with a level head for the kids to look up to (especially when you've got such flighty prima donnas as mitchell johnson playing key roles). kat fits the bill. have you not noticed the change in watto's demeanor since he's been spending time at the crease with katich? plus he's still doing the job asked of him.
The Governor
3 Nov 2010, 10:20
Great post. I just made a few subtle changes, which I think make it a bit more relevant to our current situation. What do you think?
Thanks.
Coin_Toss
3 Nov 2010, 10:22
Neither.
The GABBA XI-
Katich
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Khawaja
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
Hauritz (12th man)
King Elvis
3 Nov 2010, 10:28
Ferguson as he is a right-hander
Agreed.
Khawaja is my next in line, but Swann's great record is largely against lefties.
BarneyBent
3 Nov 2010, 10:35
Thanks.
No problem.
:o
The Governor
3 Nov 2010, 10:41
gov we can't drop kat. fair enough we need youth in the team for the long term and huss and north shoulda been replaced long before the ashes started so their replacements could bed in. but we need to keep some form of experienced cadre. lets face it, ricky's not the most gifted captain going round and is prone to panic and get the shits up when things aren't going his way and the next most experienced is michael clarke which is hardly a comforting prospect. when it gets tough you need experienced blokes with a level head for the kids to look up to (especially when you've got such flighty prima donnas as mitchell johnson playing key roles). kat fits the bill. have you not noticed the change in watto's demeanor since he's been spending time at the crease with katich? plus he's still doing the job asked of him.
I tend to agree that Ricky is not the most attacking captain in Australian test cricket history. He is a conservative captain who does not think laterally to outhink his opposing captain.
I think he has been tainted by his mentor Steve Waugh. Steve Waugh was a defensive captain who had the best test XI since Clive's West Indian sides of 1979 to 1985. Clive had the cattle to attack the opposition and Steve Waugh had the cattle to do the same.
However, Steve Waugh's captaincy was tainted with a lack of imagination and attacking flair. His tactics resembled the art of batting the opposition out of the game to make the game boring.
Secondly, the Kolkata test match in 2001 has left a wound on the Australian pshy. With India destined for a 2nd test match defeat, Laxman and Dravid went on a run spree against a tired attack. In hindsight, Waugh should not have enforced the follow on. He should have asked his batters to score quick runs to set up an attractive target to bowl at.
In hindsight, Ricky Thomas Ponting would have been a better captain if SK Warne was named captain of Australia after Tubby's retirement in 1999. Gee, SK Warne would have taught Ricky a few things about positive captaincy with flair.
Huessey has to go. Whether it be Fergie, Khawaja, or Hughes doesn't matter. The Aussies need to rebuild this summer, but because the ashes are here not too quick. Our real problem are finding gun bowlers. We have heaps of good bowlers but no guns.
Over the next 6-12 months we need to go from:
Katich
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Hilfy
Bollinger
to
Hughes
Watson
Clarke
Ponting
Khawaja
Ferguson
Paine
Smith
Johnson
??
??
no hilfy love in this team?
bunsen burner
3 Nov 2010, 11:37
no hilfy love in this team?
Definitely a fan of Hilfy. Prolly the only player in the team i have a man crush on.
BUT....
I think he's the man, but our quick bowling stocks are mediocre right now. We have ok bowlers but not a real Lillee or McGrath to build the attack around. I'm just not sure who will be fit and firing in 12 months time.
BarneyBent
3 Nov 2010, 11:50
Definitely a fan of Hilfy. Prolly the only player in the team i have a man crush on.
BUT....
I think he's the man, but our quick bowling stocks are mediocre right now. We have ok bowlers but not a real Lillee or McGrath to build the attack around. I'm just not sure who will be fit and firing in 12 months time.
And yet you've included Johnson?
bunsen burner
3 Nov 2010, 12:00
And yet you've included Johnson?I think he has long term prospects although don't believe he will be a Lillee or McGrath. Fan of Ryan Harris too.
I like the look of Hazelwood and Copeland for NSW.
Hazlewood will be the destroyer, he's a prodigious talent. Loved the fear in Beefy's voice when he saw the kid nip one in a la McGrath to castle Bedwetter in the last ODI series. We'll need to be patient because he's still just a young lad, but CA have him penciled in as the main man going forward I think.