View Full Version : Tredrea injured, who now for CHF?
blackdiamond
25 Feb 2001, 08:36
With Warren Tredrea injured in Saturday's nights Ansett Cup game against Sydney who will take his place for the next 6 weeks?
A few options might be:
Brendon Lade - Probably the player that I would pick. He is now due to come back into the senior team and is a proven goal kicker for us. Although the injury is a downer for Port it may just be what Ladey needs to get him right for the start of the season as I am sure he is going to play a prominant role in our forward line. Barnaby French would be a chance but not likely.
Bowen Lockwood - He could also play this position but I think Port would rather rest him at this time of the season and have him right for the start of the season. No use pushing him early, its only the Ansett Cup and a long season awaits him.
Darren Mead - If any of our defenders is going to play forward this year it will be Meady. Port have been experimenting with him up forward but I don't think this key position is for him, more of a flanker or pocket player if up forward. I can only see him being a reliable forward than a dominant one. Darryl Wakelin and Stephen Paxman are more likely to settle at CHB and Full Back respectively.
Matthw Bishop would probably be are only other choice. Scott Bassett, Adam Morgan and Toby Thurstans are probably our only other real choices to play the position although they are basically defenders. Mark Harwood could also probably be put into the mix but is probably a touch short.
If we do go with one of the younger players it may just be a good chance to see what else we have in stock, I suppose it is better happening at this time of the season than the middle part, hopefully Tredders doesn't miss too many games at the start of the season.
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Grave Danger
25 Feb 2001, 09:02
Well I think you've covered all the options there Scott!
Chocco may try a number of players there over the next few weeks, but I'd like to see Brendon lade give it a go.
Mudholian
27 Feb 2001, 12:09
Thanks Scott I didn't realise we had that many option s but you're correct, there are a few. My first thought was Mead, that is until I saw what having a cool expereienced campaigner in the back lines in a tight finish is worth.
Mud
ClarenceGirl
4 Mar 2001, 14:11
I'm hoping given the chance, Mark Harwood will do the job. I haven't seen him play his best football in a while. I remember I used to watch him play for Triabunna (our old home town) but haven't seen those glimpses of brilliance in a long time, hopefully he's matured some more, and really motivated to give it a shot before it's too late.
Go Woody!!
Karen
Grave Danger
4 Mar 2001, 15:00
Well CG, with Brendon Lade going down again, Mark may come under consideration again, although I see him as more of a flanker than a key position player. If Bowen Lockwood isn't ready yet, maybe it's time to blood Cain Ackland - after all, Tredders was very young when he first played in the AFL...
I agree with you GD. I believe Cain Ackland should get his chance to play now with Lade injured. He preformed well for the Maggies last season and for his size he is very mobile. I believe he could play a similar role to what Lade would of done this year.
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Porthos
23 Sep 2002, 16:11
Just thought I'd bring this back up for those people who don't think we still need tall forwards this year :)
Originally posted by Porthos
Just thought I'd bring this back up for those people who don't think we still need tall forwards this year :)
Yep, we still need tall forwards - and short forwards, and ruckmen, short defenders, tall defenders and midfielders. It'd have to be down near the bottom of the priority list though unless every other club overlooks an obvious champion to be forward by the time we get our first pick.
Porthos
23 Sep 2002, 16:42
Unlike every other position, we don't even have any back up for full forward and centre half forward.
Damon White might come along, which would be good, but even then we're understaffed for tall forwards. We have Cornes and Tredrea. Thats it. If one of them goes down, we are seriously FUBARed.
For tall defenders, we still have Thurstans, Morgan, Bassett. For small defenders we have Poulton, Wilson, Hardwick, Wanganeen, Montgomery. For small forwards we have Che, Shaun & Peter, Allan Murray, Guerra. For midfielders we have Cassisi, K. Cornes, Hall, Koulouriotis. For ruckman we have half of our list who can't get a game.
Our back up for tall forwards consists entirely of Damon White.
Still a very high priority. And I think we'll be trading for picks this year.
koulagirl32
23 Sep 2002, 17:38
Originally posted by Porthos
For tall defenders, we still have Thurstans, Morgan, Bassett. For small defenders we have Poulton, Wilson, Hardwick, Wanganeen, Montgomery. For small forwards we have Che, Shaun & Peter, Allan Murray, Guerra. For midfielders we have Cassisi, K. Cornes, Hall, Koulouriotis. For ruckman we have half of our list who can't get a game.
Koula can also play defence if he's needed there.
mfitz3121
23 Sep 2002, 18:03
Originally posted by koulagirl32
Koula can also play defence if he's needed there.
Let's stop kidding ourselves about Koula - that dog won't hunt!
Ford Fairlane
23 Sep 2002, 19:22
Let's face it, under Choco's current game plan key forwards are a non essential item anyway. It seems their major role is to push upfield to provide the centre line link for the possession game defenders to kick to. They then give off to the runners fanning out of centre, whose role it is to either take a ping from 50 (Stevens, Schofield, Dew) or kick to Peter or Shaun Burgoyne on the lead. Or maybe kick long to Barnaby French or the touted AA Full Back playing full forward. So let's be serious, Morgan, Thurstans, French (unless he's at FF) even Ackland and Brogan could do that.
Most clubs would kill for two key forwards the quality of Tredrea and Cornes, and yet we keep talking about how we need a third one to actually play near the goals. It's crazy! (PS Porthos I realise that's not your point, it's just the tangent I ran off at).
I'm just wondering, if John Cahill was still Port coach how many goals would Warren Tredrea have kicked by now? You could bet that John Cahill wouldn't be getting him to run up the field helping the defence, he'd be running out of the goalsquare or floating across half-forward.
Porthos
23 Sep 2002, 19:38
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Let's face it, under Choco's current game plan key forwards are a non essential item anyway. I understand that. Its the same as how under Carlton's current game plan, having a decent full forward is unnecessary. It doesn't mean that thats the way that Choco wants it.
Or maybe kick long to Barnaby French or the touted AA Full Back playing full forward. So let's be serious, Morgan, Thurstans, French (unless he's at FF) even Ackland and Brogan could do that.Yet none of them have managed it consistently.
Most clubs would kill for two key forwards the quality of Tredrea and Cornes, and yet we keep talking about how we need a third one to actually play near the goals. It's crazy! (PS Porthos I realise that's not your point, it's just the tangent I ran off at). Sure. But my other point is that if we had a third key forward (even if he wasn't a deadset superstar), it would add greatly to our versatility, in defence as well. We could afford to throw Chad Cornes back a bit more often; we'd have another reliable marking target (hopefully with a decent long kick!) when Cornes and/or Tredrea are held.
And most importantly, if/when either Cornes or Tredrea are injured, we wouldn't fall apart due to having only one tall full-time forward.
Ford Fairlane
23 Sep 2002, 19:39
When we had defenders like Greg Phillips, Tony Giles, Ivan Eckermann, Trevor Sorrell, Peter Hofner, Bruce Abernethy, Phil Harrison, Roger Delaney, George Fiacchi, Brian Leys etc etc, forwards didn't dare go down there in case they were hammered!!!
Darren Smith used to push upfield as a link, but also spent a reasonable amount of time around and in the 50. Scotty Hodges "owned" the 50m area, as did Tim Evans before him.
Ford Fairlane
23 Sep 2002, 19:42
Originally posted by Porthos
I understand that. Its the same as how under Carlton's current game plan, having a decent full forward is unnecessary. It doesn't mean that thats the way that Choco wants it.
[B]Yet none of them have managed it consistently.
[B]Sure. But my other point is that if we had a third key forward (even if he wasn't a deadset superstar), it would add greatly to our versatility, in defence as well. We could afford to throw Chad Cornes back a bit more often; we'd have another reliable marking target (hopefully with a decent long kick!) when Cornes and/or Tredrea are held.
And most importantly, if/when either Cornes or Tredrea are injured, we wouldn't fall apart due to having only one tall full-time forward.
The reference to Ackland, Morgan etc as forwards was tongue in cheek. I'm still not happy about the forward set up. It really hit home in the second 1/4 v Essendon when we couldn't buy a goal and therewere both Cornes and Tredrea sitting on a wing each.
In all seriousness, I know where you're coming from about a back up genuine forward and I agree, there isn't one, except for possibly Damon White, and it would be a big ask of a 19-20yo who is starting to get a history of leg injuries.
blackdiamond
23 Sep 2002, 21:33
Porthos, did you bring this one back for my benefit? :D
I remember the several posts we wrote back and forth, we both had different ideas on whether we should be drafting a defender or a forward.
You won out when it came to the draft, Port Adelaide eventually went on to recruit a forward in Damon White.
I still think we should recruit a tall defender through the draft but I do agree with you that we need a tall forward.
I just think there are a few too many question marks over Thurstans and Morgan paticularly when it looks like Mead and Paxman have come to the end of the road.
I think Port should keep a close eye on Daniel Bradshaw, he isn't getting the opportunities that he probably deserves and I think he would add a lot to our game and release Chad Cornes a lot more down the back line.
What do you think we have to give up for a player like Daniel Bradshaw?
Mudholian
23 Sep 2002, 21:40
If Cahill was Coaching, as he used to coach, Tredrea would have been starting on the bench for a few games, if that.
Porthos
23 Sep 2002, 21:42
Originally posted by Scott
Porthos, did you bring this one back for my benefit? :D Aaaah, only partly :D
I still think we should recruit a tall defender through the draft but I do agree with you that we need a tall forward. I do agree that it would be good to recruit a tall defender, but I think a tall forward is still a top priority, only excelled by a truly first rate `inside' midfielder.
I just think there are a few too many question marks over Thurstans and Morgan paticularly when it looks like Mead and Paxman have come to the end of the road.Sure, but they should be answered within the next two years. Its why we also have Bassett, Wakelin and Bishop.
I think Port should keep a close eye on Daniel Bradshaw, he isn't getting the opportunities they he probably deserves and I think he would add a lot to our game and release Chad Cornes a lot more down the back line.He'd have a pretty high price tag, wouldn't he?
blackdiamond
23 Sep 2002, 21:56
Bradshaw has been in and out of the side a fair bit of late, there is probably even a question over whether he will play this week.
He might be questioning himself as to where he stands in the side so I don't think it is that unrealistic to think that he might be looking for an opportunity in another good side.
I at least think that Port should speak with him and see what he thinks, its all a question on whether we have something available that Brisbane would be interested in.
I think Bradshaw is a player we should look at, he is one player that can play the full forward position very well.
rubberman
23 Sep 2002, 22:57
Two names we should look at as gun forwards are Mathew Richardson and Peter Everitt. Both come with some baggage but when on song they are proven as goalscorers and can change outcomes of games.
Originally posted by koulagirl32
Koula can also play defence if he's needed there.
He's needed in the Westies B's.
Does anyone have any idea how Jordan Barham is doing? I read at one point that he had kicked 6 goals in a game with Centrals reserves but have not really heard anything about him after that. Is there a link to Power players performances in the SANFL on the portadelaidefc website? If there is, I can't find it.
Originally posted by rubberman
Two names we should look at as gun forwards are Mathew Richardson and Peter Everitt. Both come with some baggage but when on song they are proven as goalscorers and can change outcomes of games.
Everitt I don't think so as we already have enough ruckmen. Richardson makes Tredrea's yips for set shot goals look like small change. He'd probably be good at FF for us, but his games in the last third of the season would put what is wanted for him too high. Though may be easier to fit him under our cap then richmond's.
rubberman
24 Sep 2002, 14:48
Originally posted by Andre
Everitt I don't think so as we already have enough ruckmen. Richardson makes Tredrea's yips for set shot goals look like small change. He'd probably be good at FF for us, but his games in the last third of the season would put what is wanted for him too high. Though may be easier to fit him under our cap then richmond's.
I was thinking of Everitt only as a forward as we do have a few ruckmen. Richo is a proven goalscorer who has carried the weight of a poor team on his shoulders for a while. IMO would benefit having a burden like that lifted. We would benefit quite nicely as well.
Bradshaw is a name that i'd like to see in the Port line-up at FF, although i don't know what we could give Brisbane inexchange for him. What do they need? They may also want to hang on to him as Lynch wont be around much longer.
koulagirl32
24 Sep 2002, 17:26
Originally posted by Jabsy
He's needed in the Westies B's.
No, he isn't. He's just not wanted in the Westies A's. Their loss. And without that level of match conditioning after returning from an injury it's in his best interests not to play AFL.
Originally posted by mfitz3121
Let's stop kidding ourselves about Koula - that dog won't hunt!
Are you calling him a dog? A-hem. It's obvious that you haven't done your homework...
koulagirl32
24 Sep 2002, 17:28
Originally posted by mic59
Does anyone have any idea how Jordan Barham is doing? I read at one point that he had kicked 6 goals in a game with Centrals reserves but have not really heard anything about him after that. Is there a link to Power players performances in the SANFL on the portadelaidefc website? If there is, I can't find it.
http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp?pg=insidetheclub&spg=feederclub
Jordan's been improving all year and has become a regular multiple goal-kicker. He was pretty close to being the top goalkicker for the reserves comp as well.
PAfolwr
26 Sep 2002, 13:08
Only just noticed this thread and it is a good one.
We need a tall forward badly. A lot has been said about White, but apart from that we have tried and failed with everyone else.
"We don't have a backup for FF", the reality is we don't have a FF full stop.
Cornes will be more useful if the "forward" constraint was removed from him. If we lose Tredrea we are dead set stuffed.
Of the players being mentioned, Bradshaw would be almost untouchable given Lynch's pending retirement, and Ottens would be very good, but at what cost.
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Only just noticed this thread and it is a good one.
We need a tall forward badly. A lot has been said about White, but apart from that we have tried and failed with everyone else.
"We don't have a backup for FF", the reality is we don't have a FF full stop.
Cornes will be more useful if the "forward" constraint was removed from him. If we lose Tredrea we are dead set stuffed.
Of the players being mentioned, Bradshaw would be almost untouchable given Lynch's pending retirement, and Ottens would be very good, but at what cost.
Why not Lade or French, plus Kingsley for Ottens ? Kingsley is best suited to the midfield, but is surplus to our requirements there, would slot straight into Richmond's starting 18 in the centre well though. Would be a win-win trade in my opinion.
Porthos
26 Sep 2002, 21:37
I can't help buy trading Lade + anyone for Ottens would be more of the same......its an actual tall forward we're missing, not a ruckman forward whose primary asset is height.
I put the following on another thread before reading this.
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An idea from left field. Perhaps you may suggest I leave it there
Toby Thurstans has some attributes very desirable in forwards: - he is very tall and can leap and can take a mark, he is agile, he has spent so much time in defense that surely he can help keep the ball in the forward 50m, and he can kick a straight ball like a mule.
The only problems that I can see are: -
- no experience there since Sturt have so many big men in the forward lines that he has never (to my knowledge) been played forward.
- body on body he may not be strong enough, though he is developing
- mental awareness / judgement?? - don't really know.
If he had been at the Crows he would have been tried there long ago, and been given a run.
Porthos
28 Sep 2002, 23:57
I think it'd be a bit rough to start training him for CHF now after he's spent the last 4 years training specifically for centre-half back.
All that happens then is that he has to wait for Tredrea or Cornes to fall over before he gets a go, and the fact is that if he can't get games next year, he'll be gone. Might be worth doing a Cornes like position change when he's had a couple of AFL games, but Choco throwing Morgan all over the ground in his debut certainly didn't help him settle at all.
Originally posted by portly
I put the following on another thread before reading this.
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An idea from left field. Perhaps you may suggest I leave it there
Toby Thurstans has some attributes very desirable in forwards: - he is very tall and can leap and can take a mark, he is agile, he has spent so much time in defense that surely he can help keep the ball in the forward 50m, and he can kick a straight ball like a mule.
The only problems that I can see are: -
- no experience there since Sturt have so many big men in the forward lines that he has never (to my knowledge) been played forward.
- body on body he may not be strong enough, though he is developing
- mental awareness / judgement?? - don't really know.
If he had been at the Crows he would have been tried there long ago, and been given a run.
The big question... Why? We already have 2 of the best marking forwards going around in Tredders and Studley and will beable to use D.White in the forward line next year (who I think will be great for us). The one thing we won't have is a CHB with Bishop or Paxman the only experienced options.
The only thing I can see us doing is trading for a quality CHB or blooding Thurstans (He is a very good player), we should have done it this season in retrospect.
Originally posted by Zombie
The big question... Why? We already have 2 of the best marking forwards going around in Tredders and Studley and will beable to use D.White in the forward line next year (who I think will be great for us). The one thing we won't have is a CHB with Bishop or Paxman the only experienced options.
The only thing I can see us doing is trading for a quality CHB or blooding Thurstans (He is a very good player), we should have done it this season in retrospect.
Insurance is the main reason. We have back up midfielders, back up defenders, backup ruckmen, back up small forwards. We don't have back up tall forwards.
Originally posted by Zombie
The big question... Why? We already have 2 of the best marking forwards going around in Tredders and Studley and will beable to use D.White in the forward line next year (who I think will be great for us). The one thing we won't have is a CHB with Bishop or Paxman the only experienced options.
The only thing I can see us doing is trading for a quality CHB or blooding Thurstans (He is a very good player), we should have done it this season in retrospect.
Chad could turn into about the best CHB going around if played there from next season on. Would make Pavlich look second rate as Cornes has everthing Pavlich has and more. The problem is finding a stay-at-home marking forward which we can use when tredders (& currently Cornes) move up field to get the ball.
The Thurtans idea is worth a try IMO, what harm can it do, all it would do would make him a little more versitile and if it worked it would be a master stroke.