View Full Version : Pakistan player goes missing
Cousin Jed
8 Nov 2010, 20:11
Just when you thought Pakistan cricket had everything this happens
(http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/486103.html)
Pakistan wicketkeeper Zulqarnain Haider (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43860.html) has gone missing ahead of the deciding ODI against South Africa at the Dubai International Cricket Stadium. The PCB has begun an inquiry into the matter and has informed the ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit as well as local security officials of Haider's disappearance...
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A cryptic message left as a status update on the player's Facebook page said: "leaving pakistan cricket because get bad msg fr 1 man fr lose the match in last game." The last match that his Facebook status seems to refer to is the fourth ODI of the series, another closely-fought thriller, in which Haider's unbeaten 19 took Pakistan to victory with one wicket and one ball to spare.
Pakistan cricket has everything right now...
So pretty much another match fixing matter I'm guessing (referring to 'fr 1 man fr lose the match')
DeadlyAkkuret
8 Nov 2010, 20:41
"leaving pakistan cricket because get bad msg fr 1 man fr lose the match in last game."
Police have reported they wont be searching schools.
Gee whiz, all is not well in the Pakistani cricket ranks.
Plugger35
8 Nov 2010, 20:50
Must have done the wrong thing by the bookies, probably gone into hiding or sleeping with the fishes.
Have to feel sorry for some of the legit Pakistan players that are getting caught up in all the corruption going on in Pakistan cricket at the moment. They are in a no win situation really.
brock sylvia
8 Nov 2010, 21:19
Its fairly bad taste to make a joke of this situation or to criticise this guy for doing what he has done. Everyone on this forum including me do not understand the kind of threats that can be made and different people's personal situations.
I hope cricket can rid itself of this ugly hold outside forces have on the game as this kind of thing is not pleasant to hear no matter which country they are from
BarneyBent
8 Nov 2010, 21:42
"leaving pakistan cricket because get bad msg fr 1 man fr lose the match in last game."
Police have reported they wont be searching schools.
How well do you speak Urdu? ;)
Anyway, it's a pretty weird situation. Pakistan cricket is like a bloody soap opera. Sounds like a bookie wasn't happy he didn't throw the game.
Sh*t this is weird, I hope he is okay.
Pakistani Cricket is screwed.
Just ban them especially if anything eventuates of this situation
stmookeyj
9 Nov 2010, 00:18
Now this is getting a bit scary.....
Radical Roo
9 Nov 2010, 00:55
He is kidnapped and being tortured to death somewhere dark.
DeadlyAkkuret
9 Nov 2010, 01:28
How well do you speak Urdu? ;)
Anyway, it's a pretty weird situation. Pakistan cricket is like a bloody soap opera. Sounds like a bookie wasn't happy he didn't throw the game.
What's this about my hairdo?
Seriously hope he is okay, pretty messed up in the Pakistan camp at the moment and you'd imagine it could get much worse before it gets better.
krisholio14
9 Nov 2010, 01:55
Sounds like he's just done a runner.
Northern_Swan
9 Nov 2010, 02:41
Sky Sports News (UK) have been reporting on their bulletin that he has arrived at Heathrow Airport, London. Obviously did a runner
It disappoints me when young Amir gets his contract torn up. We have no idea of the pressures he is under or the threats made to him or his family. Let's hope it is a short ban because he is the most exciting prospect in world cricket right at this minute.
Selective Retention
9 Nov 2010, 06:51
If he has shown up in London, it could be nothing more than opportunism and trying his luck for asylum.
Simon_Nesbit
9 Nov 2010, 07:15
One of my wife's friend's, sister's husband's brother (got all that?) was a u/19 cricketer for Pakistan. I've heard stories of large sums of money (equivalent to a years salary) being paid to junior selectors to ensure certain players are, or (IMO even worse) are not picked, even at the lowest of levels.
There's apparently an extreme culture of entitlement based around heritage (and presumably wealth), and the game is seen as a way of manipulating future wealth attainment. One (now relatively succesful) Pakistan player had his position "bought" most of the way through junior levels.
In relevance to going missing, there have been rumours for a while that some of the players have been "coerced" into joining the match-fixing pacts from (real or perceived) threat of their families suffering (indeed that's why this person left Pakistan in the first place) either from kidnapping/murder/rape/etc, or simply through having opportunities in life closed off to them (ostracized by their community).
Australia, by comparison is a relatively "clean" system.
Bob Woolmer didn't do a runner and that ended well for him, didn't it?
Smart move by this bloke to get his ass out of there.
dan warna
9 Nov 2010, 17:38
Pakistan needs to be kicked out of cricket now.
its a bloody disgrace.
Has apparently announced his retirement and is seeking protection in London. Sounds like a bloke who turned down some match fixers for mine, highlights the dangers some of these cricketers face when a guy with a few international games under his belt is facing obviously credible threats.
Bomber Bears
9 Nov 2010, 19:54
Which is why it's easy to just say oh ban those players, but there is a myriad of other issues surrounding match fixing. These obviously include the very serious issues of threats towards players, but also that the PCB has no real solid way of making income. Security issues mean they cant host games in their country, making revenue streams difficult. Therefore their players are not paid all that much (central contracts were only about 3 grand Australian a month or something) in comparrison to those from other countries. Then there are political issues that see Pakistani's not being signed to IPL contracts whilst those from other countries are, taking away another potential money stream for the players.
It's a difficult issue to solve due to how many different factors are behind it.
This nation does not deserve to play cricket, seriously. It is just too dangerous for them.
Reincarnation
9 Nov 2010, 20:28
Considering the sub-continent hides behind religion they have an awful lot to answer for...
In other news the ICC are still gathering evidence and do not believe the player is involved or was approached...he is simply going to London for a holiday.
They better have a shitload of evidence supporting that theory.
jackster83
9 Nov 2010, 21:11
Sad that a career ended before it really started. :thumbsd:
Perhaps the Pakistan cricket team should do what Andy Flower and Henry Olonga did a few years back and say enough is enough. Can't see things improving all the while Ijaz Butt is still hogging oxygen. The players could make a considerably better income from playing IPL and domestic cricket in Australia or England.
Zimbabwe have been shit since the Andy Flower/Henry Olonga saga, yes they we're doing it for a good cause, but Pakistan becoming shit team would be a disaster for the country itself.
PrideOf
10 Nov 2010, 05:44
In other news the ICC are still gathering evidence and do not believe the player is involved or was approached...he is simply going to London for a holiday.
The new ICC logo:
http://nzydmahara.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ostrich_head_sand2-gif3.jpg
dan warna
10 Nov 2010, 06:01
I think to end conjecture on the issue we need Andrew Demetriou has come out to say there is categorically NO match fixing or betting influence involved in cricket.
That would be the clincher.
The new ICC logo:
http://nzydmahara.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ostrich_head_sand2-gif3.jpg
The ICC should adopt it as their logo.
It suits them perfectly.
Wallaby
10 Nov 2010, 09:41
Apparently Haider was involved in another match that has attracted some interest. Haider was captain of Lahore Eagles and was sacked the night before a crucial game against National Bank for not wanting to pick a player who had never played for the team before - Usman Sarwar. National Bank needed to win the match and improve their run-rate to qualify for the next stage.
Here is the scorecard from the match. Study it closely.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/392532.html
Sarwar has never played another match. I quote from another article:
"The Pakistan Cricket Board investigated the match and said that they found no evidence of foul play."
Cousin Jed
10 Nov 2010, 10:11
Wow. That is freaking ridiculous.
BarneyBent
10 Nov 2010, 10:17
This just keeps getting dirtier and dirtier. It's ****ing ridiculous.
Apparently Haider was involved in another match that has attracted some interest. Haider was captain of Lahore Eagles and was sacked the night before a crucial game against National Bank for not wanting to pick a player who had never played for the team before - Usman Sarwar. National Bank needed to win the match and improve their run-rate to qualify for the next stage.
Here is the scorecard from the match. Study it closely.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/392532.html
Sarwar has never played another match. I quote from another article:
"The Pakistan Cricket Board investigated the match and said that they found no evidence of foul play."
Wow 92 of 25 balls is very good.
I'm not sure what to take from the scorecard can someone tell me
I noticed that Haider was out for a duck and Sarwar was caught for 20 off KAMRAN AKMAL?
Wow 92 of 25 balls is very good.
I'm not sure what to take from the scorecard can someone tell me
I noticed that Haider was out for a duck and Sarwar was caught for 20 off KAMRAN AKMAL?
Look at Sarwar's bowling figures.
BarneyBent
10 Nov 2010, 11:03
Wow 92 of 25 balls is very good.
I'm not sure what to take from the scorecard can someone tell me
I noticed that Haider was out for a duck and Sarwar was caught for 20 off KAMRAN AKMAL?
Wrong Sarwar. USMAN Sarwar came in at 11, made 0, and had bowling figures of 0/78 off 3 overs at an economy rate of 26. :eek:
Reincarnation
10 Nov 2010, 14:45
Apparently Haider was involved in another match that has attracted some interest. Haider was captain of Lahore Eagles and was sacked the night before a crucial game against National Bank for not wanting to pick a player who had never played for the team before - Usman Sarwar. National Bank needed to win the match and improve their run-rate to qualify for the next stage.
Here is the scorecard from the match. Study it closely.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/392532.html
Sarwar has never played another match. I quote from another article:
"The Pakistan Cricket Board investigated the match and said that they found no evidence of foul play."
Well there we go. Someone wanted the National Bank to win at some ridiculous rate so they made sure a beggar opened the bowling for the opposition.
Wrong Sarwar. USMAN Sarwar came in at 11, made 0, and had bowling figures of 0/78 off 3 overs at an economy rate of 26. :eek:
Wow thats just wow, could it get anymore obvious haha?
placebo
10 Nov 2010, 18:12
Man, this is all really ****ed up.
I feel really bad for all the players who are unwillingly getting dragged into this. I can't imagine how stressful it would be to know that your life could quite well depend on your profession.
Jascave
10 Nov 2010, 19:41
This has been the year from hell for Pakistani cricket. And what is the ICC-which means International Cricket Council, but in reality and light of events over the past year involving Pakistan, should be called Idiots Controlling Cricket-doing about it? Nothing.
Selective Retention
10 Nov 2010, 20:04
LOL did that game really happen? :D
Bring Sarwar out for the big bash.
Amazing the game hasn't hit the mainstream before now.
lewigie
10 Nov 2010, 20:17
One of my wife's friend's, sister's husband's brother (got all that?) was a u/19 cricketer for Pakistan. I've heard stories of large sums of money (equivalent to a years salary) being paid to junior selectors to ensure certain players are, or (IMO even worse) are not picked, even at the lowest of levels.
There's apparently an extreme culture of entitlement based around heritage (and presumably wealth), and the game is seen as a way of manipulating future wealth attainment. One (now relatively succesful) Pakistan player had his position "bought" most of the way through junior levels.
In relevance to going missing, there have been rumours for a while that some of the players have been "coerced" into joining the match-fixing pacts from (real or perceived) threat of their families suffering (indeed that's why this person left Pakistan in the first place) either from kidnapping/murder/rape/etc, or simply through having opportunities in life closed off to them (ostracized by their community).
Australia, by comparison is a relatively "clean" system.
Basically everything said here has been proved true today.
That match is seriously ****ed up! Salman Butt with a SR of 368 for christ sakes!:eek: And those bowling figures are ridiculous, was that bowler really that bad?
Wow almost 20 runs a over its like a computer game :S
Seriously i believe the level of corruption is that deep in Pakistan cricket i dont see any light out the tunnel besides banning them for life.
legend166
11 Nov 2010, 07:31
You guys sure that's not a Stick Cricket scorecard?
Sarwar has never played another match. I quote from another article:
"The Pakistan Cricket Board investigated the match and said that they found no evidence of foul play."
The Pakistan Cricket Board could investigate the Kennedy assassination and find no evidence of foul play. :rolleyes:
krisholio14
11 Nov 2010, 11:08
The Pakistan Cricket Board could investigate the Kennedy assassination and find no evidence of foul play. :rolleyes:
They have however, suspended Zulqarnain.
Didn't see that coming ay? :rolleyes:
saint_larry
11 Nov 2010, 11:32
They have however, suspended Zulqarnain.
Didn't see that coming ay? :rolleyes:
"We don't support his actions and believe he should have come to us if he was under threat from anyone," said Jakhrani.
"He didn't have confidence in the national team management or Pakistan Cricket Board. If he is such a weak and scared person he should not have played cricket in the first place, particularly not for the national team."
"This is not way for a member of the national team to behave or for even a professional cricketer to behave."
PCB getting very catty.
Radical Roo
11 Nov 2010, 15:26
Why is everyone is gasping in shocking. This is hardly surprising if you look at Pakistan's socieconomic situation. The country is in turmoil. People getting shot and raped everyday with no stable job and life. Cricket in this type of environment is a very easy way to hoard wealth. Also the kind of players who play for Pak these days are vastly different to those of Imran Khan days. People like Khan are essentially brought up in a western system where a lot of player today are from poor villages and tribal areas, most of them prob don't even know Pakistan is. All they know is playing cricket, you see big city, go overseas, make big money have a lot of women.
XFactor1979
11 Nov 2010, 19:17
its a catch 22, you either allow cricket to continue in pakistan, a dangerous country falling apart right before our very eyes or let the terrorists win, and cricket/ sport, a partipative culture stops that from happening
or you send teams like australia, england or even india to that part of the world and risk players and officials getting abducted/held for ransom.
They have however, suspended Zulqarnain.
Didn't see that coming ay? :rolleyes:
Wow, those responsible for match-fixing must be shaking in their boots. :D :rolleyes:
Wallaby
11 Nov 2010, 22:53
its a catch 22, you either allow cricket to continue in pakistan, a dangerous country falling apart right before our very eyes or let the terrorists win, and cricket/ sport, a partipative culture stops that from happening
or you send teams like australia, england or even india to that part of the world and risk players and officials getting abducted/held for ransom.
I dont think the issue is with terrorists - it's with gambling and organised crime. And gambling/sporting events is a natural mix.
As Pakistan is a Muslim country, gambling is actually illegal there. (Its also illegal to gamble on sporting events in india).
There are strong calls to have sports gambling legalised in both countries. Whether this will make any difference, not sure.
Reincarnation
12 Nov 2010, 17:03
I dont think the issue is with terrorists - it's with gambling and organised crime. And gambling/sporting events is a natural mix.
As Pakistan is a Muslim country, gambling is actually illegal there. (Its also illegal to gamble on sporting events in india).
There are strong calls to have sports gambling legalised in both countries. Whether this will make any difference, not sure.
Hence the almost hilarity that Pakistan as a nation hide behind religion yet they (along with India) are the main causes of corruption in world cricket. It is a blight on society that persons on the sub-continent are allowed to hide behind religion when facing questioning. Most or devout...cool...
The PCB just confirmed that Haider was probably not going to be in the deciding ODI team due to 'team balance' and they wanted to play one of the monobrow brothers Umar Akmal in his place as the keeper. Isn't Kamran at the centre of the Sydney Test furore? Thought so...
Oh look another member of the monobrow clan has just debuted...thats 3 in the squad...one on the take, the other probably following his brother and the newest one will no doubt be buggering up for cash in no time.
XFactor1979
12 Nov 2010, 17:30
interesting thing to point out
of all the members of the pakistani team that could speak english, zulqarnian haider proved in the press conferences to the english media that could speak it quite well, the other player who speaks english well is: salman butt.
during last summer's cricket abc grandstand really wanted to talk to salman butt because of how proficient he was in the english language. he was well-spoken to the point it was suggested back then that he should be the next pakistan captain (the captain back then was someone else)
if we were going to wipe out the matchfixers, we have to take out the head matchfixer - Mohammad Asif - the token dodgy pakistani player! When it was salman butt all this time! Well he does have a life off the cricket pitch... :P
XFactor1979
13 Nov 2010, 13:43
theres currently a test series over there in the UAE between them and south africa, no thread present
ive had a look at the pakistani team, it looks like a team of castaways and up and comers. taufeeq umar getting a game? what the? abdur rehman? adnan akmal? mohammad hafeez?
a fair portion of their top 11 is missing in the form of salman butt, zulqarnian haider, mohammad asif and mohammad aamer:rolleyes:
XFactor1979
13 Nov 2010, 13:46
heres an accusation: but zulqarnian haider is the ring leader
we all want to be the ring leader dont we? it makes you 'the boss'
http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/tony-soprano-picture.jpg