Votes vs St Kilda [Archive]

Voice of Reason

3 Aug 2003, 19:17

Our worst performance of the season. Just like last year's game.

5. Jones - turned up for the game at 2.10 pm EST and played it for 4 quarters. A marking target.
4. Collica - brave, composed and sensible. Beat his opponent. Helped his fellow defenders and used the ball well.
3. McDougall - did a few good things, scored a couple of goals, was a tall marking target and at least broke even in the ruck (ie did not consistently find the blokes in the St Kilda jumpers). Needs more ground time
2. Braun - tried hard, very hard, will probably get most votes, but I've penalised him for one handed tackles and poor disposal
1. Glass - had 4 kicked on him, but in one of the most one-sided games you could wish to see. Did well under pressure, never gave up and scrags well.

I'm not going to even look at the stats or watch any part of the game again. I refuse to award points to players who only played well for one quarter (Chick 2nd, Haynes 3rd) or who were beaten by their opponent (Cousins) or who got a lot of the ball but repeatedly did stupid things with it (Cox, Carroll). It's hard enough without Gardiner, Fletcher & Embley - without Kerr, Judd and Sampi also, it's well nigh impossible.

Mead

3 Aug 2003, 19:21

5. McDougall
4. Jones.
3. Cousins
2. Braun
1. Staker

eagleskickass

3 Aug 2003, 19:25

Dont know how Jones didnt get a mention in the above votes...

5 - Jones : Brilliant all day, really stood up both when we were being flogged and then even more when we had to lift. Truly deserving of BOG for Eagles for me.
4 - Braun : Again tried hard all day, went hard at the ball, was at bottom of packs, wanted the ball.
3 - Cox : Was winning the ruck knocks and you could see him directing it to our players bu often they stodd their and the saints player took it. Its not going to be hand fed every game, Cox did his all to get first use, midfield just didnt take it.
2 - Cousins : Was superb in the last half. At half time he would no way have gotten votes but was a key in our revival and kept trying all day. Led from the front. As much as it would have been nice if hed started from the start once in the position we were in you couldnt have asked more from the captain
1 - McDougall : Looked good wherever he played, down back, up forward, in the ruck. Marked pretty wel and ran hard, worthy of a vote.

Also i thought Staker was terrific, lots of quick hands and a few hard ball gets. Took a few marks as well, looks a likely prospect.

Mr Q

3 Aug 2003, 19:34

I'm inclined to agree with Ozzult on this one. Not happy.

5. Jones. I agree entirely with VoR on this one
4. Braun. At least he had a bit of the ball. Tackling could have been better, but he was no orphan there.
3. McDougall. Provided an option, and was reasonable in the ruck.

Now for players who don't deserve votes, but unfortunately this is a 5-4-3-2-1.

2. Collica. Reasonable defensive effort given how much the ball was down there.
1. Carroll. Not a great game, but could be said to have beaten his opponent for more than one quarter.

I've tried to think of an alternate 1 vote as realistically Carroll was crap too, but I can't come up with one. Glass perhaps, but Fraser got four goals on him so no. Cousins, Chick, Haynes, Green, Hunter (and most of the team) only bothered with one quarter's effort. Quite a few didn't even bother with that much (Kerr, Sampi, Judd, Matera, Jakovich). Cox might as well have been rucking for St Kilda for all the good he did, Wirrpunda was taken to the cleaners by Xavier Clarke.

Certainly there was noone unlucky not to get a vote.

Frodo

3 Aug 2003, 19:42

5. Haynes
4. Collica
3. McDougall
2. Chick
1. Wirrpunda

Kenny_01

3 Aug 2003, 19:46

5- Jones
4- Collica
3- McDougall
2- Wirrpunda
1- Braun

Unlucky: Cousins/Glass/Caroll.

|D_J^B_J|

3 Aug 2003, 19:49

5. Jones
4. Braun
3. McDougall
2. Collica
1. Chick

Black Thunder

3 Aug 2003, 21:51

i'm giving my votes in protest and only giving votes to guys who aren't in contention to win the title this year.....

5 - Andrew McDougall
4 - David Haynes
3 - Michael Collica
2 - Kasey Green
1 - Brent Staker

elmer fudd

3 Aug 2003, 21:54

5 Braun
4 McDougall
3 Wirra
2 Jones
1 Cousins

-5 Kerr - what a soft****. He didn't even try.

Bunsen

daddy_4_eyes

3 Aug 2003, 22:01

5: McDougall
4: Braun
3: Jones
2: Collica
1: Haynes

Don't think i've ever seen a crowd enjoy a match as much as the St Kilda faithful did todays. Pity a mere 21,000 turned up.

Jumper

3 Aug 2003, 22:18

5. McDougall
4. Braun
3. Jones
2. Cousins
1. Glass

RzrBlade

3 Aug 2003, 22:35

5. Rowan Jones
4. Andrew McDougall
3. Michael Braun
2. Michael Collica
1. Daniel Chick

cartman

3 Aug 2003, 22:44

braun
jones
mcdougal
wirra
chick

Thrawn666

3 Aug 2003, 23:11

5 - McDougall
4 - Haynes
3 - Jones
2 - Wirrpunda
1 - Braun

Mr Q

4 Aug 2003, 01:05

Originally posted by Black Thunder
i'm giving my votes in protest and only giving votes to guys who aren't in contention to win the title this year.....

What difference would that have made. None of the guys who were in contention deserved a vote today (unless of course you were handing out negative votes). Cousins would have been closest, and he only played one quarter.

larrikin

4 Aug 2003, 01:36

It's funny, but something I've noticed this year. Cousins played ok today, not bad, but certainly not at his best. He was definitely in our best 5. Yet he gets few votes.

Is that because we expect more of him? Or is that because the team has played badly so we look for young guys who might have played ok so we can give them a vote to give ourselves hope that we have talent coming through?

Today we played badly. It will happen.

Black Thunder

4 Aug 2003, 01:43

Originally posted by Mr Q
What difference would that have made. None of the guys who were in contention deserved a vote today (unless of course you were handing out negative votes). Cousins would have been closest, and he only played one quarter.

yes i know, but i wanna make it known how ****ed off I am. I love the club I support, and I don't ever want to be put through that pain again. I take the same philoposophy when i go out on the field - If I play like a spastic i'll tell everyone that, and if my teammates are playing ****, i'll tell them that (without obviousbly singling people out).

And larrikan - yes a lot of it comes down to expecting more than what Cuz gave us today. I don't know if he was in our top 5, would've been close purely on the third term, but in the end he was a guy who needed to give us much more and he didn't.... These votes will come from a mixture of how good someone plays, and how good they can play.

larrikin

4 Aug 2003, 01:53

Originally posted by Black Thunder
And larrikan - yes a lot of it comes down to expecting more than what Cuz gave us today. I don't know if he was in our top 5, would've been close purely on the third term, but in the end he was a guy who needed to give us much more and he didn't.... These votes will come from a mixture of how good someone plays, and how good they can play.
Yeah well, unfortunately no other award in the world works like that. Should Grant Hackett not receive a gold medal for winning if he's 2 seconds behing his world record, and some clown form Japan (2 minutes behind) breaks the national record?

The best players on the ground should get votes, Cousins was in the best 5 (if not up tp his best)

Black Thunder

4 Aug 2003, 02:00

Originally posted by larrikin
Yeah well, unfortunately no other award in the world works like that. Should Grant Hackett not receive a gold medal for winning if he's 2 seconds behing his world record, and some clown form Japan (2 minutes behind) breaks the national record?

The best players on the ground should get votes, Cousins was in the best 5 (if not up tp his best)

yes but human nature when it comes to pure judgement will always take into account how someone can perform. When it comes to something like swimming or somewhere were there's a scoreboard, you can't argue against that. but here we're talking about peoples judgement's and that "what are the capable of doing v what they actually did" will always came into it - human nature. We want to see the best in our players.

And also, I don't think you'd class Cousins in the best 5 on the ground as he really only played for one quarter......although that one quarter was brilliant.

larrikin

4 Aug 2003, 02:10

Originally posted by Black Thunder
yes but human nature when it comes to pure judgement will always take into account how someone can perform. When it comes to something like swimming or somewhere were there's a scoreboard, you can't argue against that. but here we're talking about peoples judgement's and that "what are the capable of doing v what they actually did" will always came into it - human nature. We want to see the best in our players.

And also, I don't think you'd class Cousins in the best 5 on the ground as he really only played for one quarter......although that one quarter was brilliant.
Only played brilliantly in 1 and a half quaters, but was solid besides that. Good enough for the best 5 in a side that lost by 10 goals for me.

Thrawn666

4 Aug 2003, 02:13

Originally posted by larrikin
The best players on the ground should get votes, Cousins was in the best 5 (if not up tp his best)

Thats your opinion and you're entitled to it

I however, dont believe Cousins was one of our best 5 players, and therefore have voted accordingly.

This whole award system is based purely on the individual's opinion. I often look at peoples votes and cringe, but the fact of the matter is it's their opinion.

It's fine to speculate on the way people vote, but to say theyre wrong just because you believe a particular player was deserving is no justification.

People watched the game of footy

People voted on who they felt deserved votes

Im sure you did the same. You think someone deserves a vote, fine, vote for em. But dont go around saying everyone is wrong who left him out because you didnt vote the same way.

larrikin

4 Aug 2003, 02:26

Originally posted by Thrawn666
Thats your opinion and you're entitled to it

I however, dont believe Cousins was one of our best 5 players, and therefore have voted accordingly.

This whole award system is based purely on the individual's opinion. I often look at peoples votes and cringe, but the fact of the matter is it's their opinion.

It's fine to speculate on the way people vote, but to say theyre wrong just because you believe a particular player was deserving is no justification.

People watched the game of footy

People voted on who they felt deserved votes

Im sure you did the same. You think someone deserves a vote, fine, vote for em. But dont go around saying everyone is wrong who left him out because you didnt vote the same way.
You've just changed your argument. If you didn't think Cousins was in the best 5 for us on the field, I have n o problem with that. If you are not giving him a vote because he was in our best 5 and you think he can perform better, then there is my problem.

Thrawn666

4 Aug 2003, 02:36

Originally posted by larrikin
You've just changed your argument. If you didn't think Cousins was in the best 5 for us on the field, I have n o problem with that. If you are not giving him a vote because he was in our best 5 and you think he can perform better, then there is my problem.

I dont think he was in our best 5 players irrespective of how well he can or cannot perform

larrikin

4 Aug 2003, 02:48

Originally posted by Thrawn666
I dont think he was in our best 5 players irrespective of how well he can or cannot perform
Sorry mate, was arguing with Black Thunder and assumed that post was from him, not you.

As I said earlier, if you think he wasn't in our best 5, that's your choice

iceman

4 Aug 2003, 10:16

5 - Doogs
4 - Braun
3 - Jones
2 - Haynes
1 - Collica

Deepthroat

4 Aug 2003, 10:21

5 - McDougall
4 - Jones
3 - Braun
2 - Staker
1 - Cox

Jabber

4 Aug 2003, 10:51

5 - Cousins
4 - McDougall
3 - Braun
2 - Cox
1 - Chick

Cousins played a shocker by his standards, but sadly that was still good enough to be our best. McDougall was close, but a couple of clangers cost him top points.

Other than Jones, Collica, Wirrpunda & Haynes - everyone else deserves to be dropped. It's a pity that many passengers will still end up getting another game next week. The following 5 should be singled out for a head kicking by Woosha.

Adkins - back to the WAFL for good
Banners - Play a blinder next week or retire
Judd - $350K to play in the WAFL :eek:
Matera - 3rd strike next week and your out
Kerr - Just plain lazy

Sera

4 Aug 2003, 11:09

5. Cousins - Hit back hard after being beaten early by Harvey. EASILY our best. Had a crack. It's not hard to see why he is our LEADER.
4. Jones - Tried hard all day.
3. McDougall - Took some good marks and kicked a couple of goals.
2. Wirrpunda - Like Cuz was also instrumental in our mini-fightback. Would have got higher if he wasn't injured.
1. Glass - Did well on Gehrig even though he kicked 5 goals. Won most of the one-on-ones.

Goldenblue

4 Aug 2003, 11:18

This team has no chance for a flag this year. This lot need to learn to play under pressure, not fall over.

5- Jones
4- Braun
3- McDougall
2- Wirrpunda
1- Collica

MDB

4 Aug 2003, 12:57

I can't believe that many of you gave Haynes votes for a game in which he only turned it on for 10 minutes......anyway....

5 Braun
4 Jones
3 McDougall
2 Chick
1 Cousins

Au_Blue#24

4 Aug 2003, 13:03

Hey mdb - whats the latest on gaspar ??

Frodo

4 Aug 2003, 13:04

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MDB
[B]I can't believe that many of you gave Haynes votes for a game in which he only turned it on for 10 minutes......anyway....

Two reasons for that.

1. He was only put at FF for half of the game and scored 3 / lead well in that time

2. If the ball is permanently in our defensive 50 there is no chance for our forwards getting a touch.

Make no mistake about it our loss was all about our midfield losing the ball and the Saints breaking away to attack our 50.
I accept that there were some excuses (like Judd being tackled off the ball at every bounce) but the midfield have to be accountable...and they weren't.

vicki

4 Aug 2003, 13:05

5. Brauny - one of the few players who performs EVERY time the team is on the road. His usual gutsy self.

4. Jones - I wondered who would step into Embers shoes and Jonesy did a very good job.

3. Ben - I don't understand how others cannot give him votes - but each to his own opinion

2. McDougall - is beginning to show just why the club rates him so highly

1. Haynes - A hard working effort from David

I am disappointed at some of the reactions to the game on other threads. To me it looks as though the boys are very tired - and to try and cover for Gardiner,Fletcher and Embley (three of our best midfielders) plus Wooden and McIntosh is very hard. You take players of that quality out of ANY side and they would struggle.
As for St Kilda - I heard that of their seven wins, five have been against sides in the top 8. They are underperformers. I believe they have something like 10 first round draft picks in their team, so in effect, should be doing a helluva lot better than they are.

And Jabber - If Juddy plays WAFL, I will be more than happy :D

Perhaps Willo will get another chance as we need someone to straighten us up?

MDB

4 Aug 2003, 13:09

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frodo
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by MDB
[B]I can't believe that many of you gave Haynes votes for a game in which he only turned it on for 10 minutes......anyway....

Two reasons for that.

1. He was only put at FF for half of the game and scored 3 / lead well in that time

2. If the ball is permanently in our defensive 50 there is no chance for our forwards getting a touch.

Actually, I was at the game and I thought I saw Haynes at Full Forward for the entire first half - any time the ball went down there (which I admit in the first qtr wasn't very often) he didn't look very interested.......

Haven't heard any more on Gaspar......

I was on the plane with the team last night coming into Perth and they were all pretty disappointed. Wirra should be right to play next week, but some unfortunate news is that Morrisson injured his knee again playing for Swans.

vicki

4 Aug 2003, 13:12

Frodo - I also noticed that Juddy was tackled off the ball all day. Baker was continually looking at Judd and NEVER at the ball. I thought the umpires were supposed to be looking at that sort of thing and protecting the ball players?? As far as talent goes, Baker is not worthy to carry Juddy's bag to the ground. So called "taggers" are a blight on the game. They are usually individuals of lesser talent who have to make up for it by using illegal tactics. For once I must agree with Brad Hardie (horror) who says people go to the footy to see the champions play, not the no-talent taggers.

Frodo

4 Aug 2003, 13:13

Originally posted by MDB
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frodo
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by MDB
[B]I can't believe that many of you gave Haynes votes for a game in which he only turned it on for 10 minutes......anyway....

Two reasons for that.

1. He was only put at FF for half of the game and scored 3 / lead well in that time

2. If the ball is permanently in our defensive 50 there is no chance for our forwards getting a touch.

Actually, I was at the game and I thought I saw Haynes at Full Forward for the entire first half - any time the ball went down there (which I admit in the first qtr wasn't very often) he didn't look very interested.......

Haven't heard any more on Gaspar......

I was on the plane with the team last night coming into Perth and they were all pretty disappointed. Wirra should be right to play next week, but some unfortunate news is that Morrisson injured his knee again playing for Swans.

haynes definately was on right wing in first quarter...may have spent some time up forward but cameras never got that far :mad:

Thrawn666

4 Aug 2003, 16:13

Originally posted by MDB

Actually, I was at the game and I thought I saw Haynes at Full Forward for the entire first half - any time the ball went down there (which I admit in the first qtr wasn't very often) he didn't look very interested.......

Fido played at full forward again for most of the first half which really annoyed me.

They tried this last week and it didnt work, so why would it work this time? Our players have constantly made the mistake of going long and high to Fido one-out and it just doesnt work. His value is as a crumber.

carlyp

4 Aug 2003, 17:04

5 Cousins
4 Braun
3 Jones
2 Macdougal
1 Haynes

Very dissapointed

Belgarion

4 Aug 2003, 20:42

5. McDougall
4. Collica
3. Jones
2. Cousins
1. Haynes

Belgarion

Mr Eagle

4 Aug 2003, 21:01

5. McDougall
4. Braun
3. Jones
2. Chick
1. Collica

noodle

5 Aug 2003, 12:09

5. Braun
4. Jones
3. McDougall
2. Cox
1. Carroll

Mr Q

5 Aug 2003, 14:01

Originally posted by vicki
For once I must agree with Brad Hardie (horror)

vicki, vicki, vicki (shakes head). Never, ever say that again.

Even if it is true, I suggest you pretend you heard it elsewhere; say from someone with more credibility like Basil Zempilas, Adrian Barich or even Tim Gossage.

eaglechicka

5 Aug 2003, 14:24

can we give negetives

-5 Kerr ( lazy lazy lazy)
-4 Judd (expect more)
-3 the whole team

Really no one should get any lol

ben played alright for 10 mins

TheRealBuzz

5 Aug 2003, 17:25

5) Disco
4) Jones
3) The Skipper
2) Collica
1) Glassy

pauljam

6 Aug 2003, 03:07

It's amazing how differently we all saw the game - some guys that got top votes from one person got none from others! :D

Anyway my votes for what was an appalling game to watch (for an Eagles fan anyway - the Sainters fans probably disagree). I hope that Woosh is right when he says it was a one off........

5 - Jones - tried all day - some great marks
4 - McDougall - good game - showing promise
3 - Braun - ran hard, made a few disposal errors, but he tried!
2 - Cousins - really lifted in 2nd half - others in mf didnt bother
1 - Chick (11 tackles - his tackles are usually pretty solid)

Haynes (short but very good burst in the 3rd), Collica and Staker were ok. Cox tried and tapped the ball well - our guys didnt grab the ball first (lack of desire!)

Looking forward to an improved effort across the board this week. We REALLY need to beat those crows.......