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GoEagles
3 Aug 2003, 18:16
It didn't look bad on TV but Brian Taylor of course wanted us to assume the worst. Has anyone heard the latest injury reports and how bad Wirra's injury really is?
larrikin
3 Aug 2003, 19:17
Originally posted by GoEagles
It didn't look bad on TV but Brian Taylor of course wanted us to assume the worst. Has anyone heard the latest injury reports and how bad Wirra's injury really is?
Looked to be walking ok post match, but the best we can hope for (based on the footage and the pain he looked to be in) is probably a strained lateral ligament, which is a 3 week or so injury.
I'm not optimistic- he looked okay on the bench, but that sort of limp looked really really bad... My money is on a posterior, which would be 6 weeks, but I don't think an ACL is out of the question- it didn't look great.
Originally posted by Mead
I'm not optimistic- he looked okay on the bench, but that sort of limp looked really really bad... My money is on a posterior, which would be 6 weeks, but I don't think an ACL is out of the question- it didn't look great.
my thoughts exactly
mouldy_bread
3 Aug 2003, 20:06
Could this weekend get any worse?
eagleskickass
3 Aug 2003, 20:26
I will throw in one sign of optimism. As much as i aint a qualified sports scientist yet Wirra DID grab at his side of his knee rather than the front or back. If its an ACL it would hurt at the front or back as thats where the ligaments starts and ends etc, grabbing for the side suggests its a posterior ligament injury which, while still being bad, isnt a full year injury:) Could end his season for 2003 though
Thrawn666
3 Aug 2003, 20:43
Originally posted by eagleskickass
I will throw in one sign of optimism. As much as i aint a qualified sports scientist yet Wirra DID grab at his side of his knee rather than the front or back. If its an ACL it would hurt at the front or back as thats where the ligaments starts and ends etc, grabbing for the side suggests its a posterior ligament injury which, while still being bad, isnt a full year injury:) Could end his season for 2003 though
Wrong
When I did my ACL the majority of the pain I felt was on the outside of my knee. This was because of the sideways action associated with doing an ACL causes quite a bit of cartilidge damage, which is a major part of the pain. There was internal pain inside the kneecap but thats wher I felt mine most.
That being said each case is unique, but from experience I can say that the theory of the location of the pain doesnt rule out an ACL.
eagleskickass
3 Aug 2003, 20:47
Originally posted by Thrawn666
Wrong
When I did my ACL the majority of the pain I felt was on the outside of my knee. This was because of the sideways action associated with doing an ACL causes quite a bit of cartilidge damage, which is a major part of the pain. There was internal pain inside the kneecap but thats wher I felt mine most.
That being said each case is unique, but from experience I can say that the theory of the location of the pain doesnt rule out an ACL.
I accept that, was just saying what we were told about ACL's at uni, but i accept their are differences sometimes.
larrikin
4 Aug 2003, 01:25
Originally posted by Thrawn666
Wrong
When I did my ACL the majority of the pain I felt was on the outside of my knee. This was because of the sideways action associated with doing an ACL causes quite a bit of cartilidge damage, which is a major part of the pain. There was internal pain inside the kneecap but thats wher I felt mine most.
That being said each case is unique, but from experience I can say that the theory of the location of the pain doesnt rule out an ACL. Fair point.
But Wirra's action in falling looked very much more like a lateral that an ACL. No idea where his pain was ( I didn't see the post match), but to support weight that quickly would suggest the ACL is ok.
Sorry to hear you did an ACL thrawn, not fun for anyone....
Thrawn666
4 Aug 2003, 01:59
Originally posted by larrikin
Fair point.
But Wirra's action in falling looked very much more like a lateral that an ACL. No idea where his pain was ( I didn't see the post match), but to support weight that quickly would suggest the ACL is ok.
Sorry to hear you did an ACL thrawn, not fun for anyone....
Ahh **** happens, still cringe, even more than i used to, when I see any player go down and clutch their knee.
Just to comment again, you can support weight when you do your ACL. Just gotta look at Woosha, the guy ran off the ground. You can walk on it, and over time the pain will go too. Some people tear ACL's and never have recons. The only thing it really inhibits you from doing is turning quickly, because you have lost your lateral stability in the knee joint.
eagleskickass
4 Aug 2003, 02:00
Didnt John Todd do his ACL and hasnt had it opped on to this day?(as the operation wasnt around in his time)?
larrikin
4 Aug 2003, 02:06
Originally posted by Thrawn666
Ahh **** happens, still cringe, even more than i used to, when I see any player go down and clutch their knee.
Just to comment again, you can support weight when you do your ACL. Just gotta look at Woosha, the guy ran off the ground. You can walk on it, and over time the pain will go too. Some people tear ACL's and never have recons. The only thing it really inhibits you from doing is turning quickly, because you have lost your lateral stability in the knee joint.
You can support weight with a completely torn ACL ( the muscle takes up the load) but as you know, the pain of it is generally overwhelming, and unless Wirra had an injection to be walking 5 minutes later is extremely unusual
eagleskickass
4 Aug 2003, 02:10
Originally posted by larrikin
You can support weight with a completely torn ACL ( the muscle takes up the load) but as you know, the pain of it is generally overwhelming, and unless Wirra had an injection to be walking 5 minutes later is extremely unusual
Well i know someone who tore their ACL and was walking for weeks before their operation
Unless your an AFL footballer it takes a few months before they fit you in to do the operation...
eagleskickass
4 Aug 2003, 02:10
and yes they were walking within about 20 mins of doing it, if not less. Just thought they had twisted their knee...
larrikin
4 Aug 2003, 02:13
Originally posted by eagleskickass
and yes they were walking within about 20 mins of doing it, if not less. Just thought they had twisted their knee...
A completely torn acl?
Have you ever seen someone do one (or heard it).
I've seen three, none of whom would even think of walking without help.
Eagle_Fan
4 Aug 2003, 02:15
Originally posted by mouldy_bread
Could this weekend get any worse?
I don't think so. Surely not? Although there is still 40 minutes to go... :(
Thrawn666
4 Aug 2003, 02:20
Originally posted by larrikin
A completely torn acl?
Have you ever seen someone do one (or heard it).
I've seen three, none of whom would even think of walking without help.
I was helped off the court, sat with my leg raised and iced my knee.
Walked within 20 minutes of doing it (albeit with a mighty limp)
Walked for a month or two before I had a scan and the correct diagnosis was given. The MRI showed that my ACL was totally blasted.
After that I walked for another 9 months before having my op.
It is not uncommon, which is why it cant be ruled out until an MRI is done
larrikin
4 Aug 2003, 02:30
Originally posted by Thrawn666
I was helped off the court, sat with my leg raised and iced my knee.
Walked within 20 minutes of doing it (albeit with a mighty limp)
Walked for a month or two before I had a scan and the correct diagnosis was given. The MRI showed that my ACL was totally blasted.
After that I walked for another 9 months before having my op.
It is not uncommon, which is why it cant be ruled out until an MRI is done
Completely agree once the swelling has gone down, but Wirra was walking ok (or looked to be as he went to Winmar) 5 minutes after the injury, not the 20 minutes + you are talking about (and he didn't look like he was limping that bad). Look, it may well be an ACL, but in my experience (and training) the signs are positive.
eagleskickass
4 Aug 2003, 02:33
Originally posted by larrikin
Completely agree once the swelling has gone down, but Wirra was walking ok (or looked to be as he went to Winmar) 5 minutes after the injury, not the 20 minutes + you are talking about (and he didn't look like he was limping that bad). Look, it may well be an ACL, but in my experience (and training) the signs are positive.
i agree with that, that the signs are positive, just that nothing is sure till the MRI is done if it is indeed needed at all.
Now i dont know if it is just coaches talk but Woosha is hopeful he'll be fine next week so id suggest it aint an ACL.
Au_Blue#24
4 Aug 2003, 11:30
I heard on the radio he should play next week !!
Goldenblue
4 Aug 2003, 11:32
Originally posted by eagleskickass
Didnt John Todd do his ACL and hasnt had it opped on to this day?(as the operation wasnt around in his time)?
Yes, it was his ACL that Toddy did. Back in 1955, there were no operations able to fix it as there are now. It ruined Todd's career and the WA public were deprived of watching one of the greatest WA players play the game.
Todd wore a knee brace for the rest of his short career and it hampered him and slowed him down. I think he wishes the Ops were available in his time and I think doing his knee made him a bitter man.
As far as I know, I have never heard of any reports or read that Todd has had an op on his knee since the injury occured.
Originally posted by Au_Blue#24
I heard on the radio he should play next week !!
Good news, god knows we needed some after that performance!