View Full Version : Doherty vs O'keffe
i_hate_scams
25 Nov 2010, 16:36
which one do you prefer to be in the team? both similar types
Doherty. Though i'd prefer any over Hauritz.
TassieSaint
25 Nov 2010, 16:48
Doherty has done well so far, without being a standout. O'Keefe did well in the A game but we'll see how X's figures end up after a full test against a full strength England.
BarneyBent
25 Nov 2010, 17:11
Doherty has done well so far, without being a standout. O'Keefe did well in the A game but we'll see how X's figures end up after a full test against a full strength England.
The Aus A game was against a full strength England batting lineup, and he took 4 wickets in much less helpful conditions (not that today was brilliant for spinners, but there was a bit of grip out there, and there was nothing for the spinners in Hobart).
While Doherty has looked dangerous, I'll take O'Keefe any day. He has control which Doherty lacks, and he has consistently taken wickets ever since coming into FC cricket.
That's not even considering his batting ability (which shouldn't be considered, but is a handy bonus in any case)
gbatman
25 Nov 2010, 18:23
haven't seen enought of o'keefe but he's got good stats but I like what i seein doherty.
tazzietiger
25 Nov 2010, 18:28
Lets give Doherty more than a first innings on a first day of a test to prove him self before we judge and compare him to other players.
aussie1st
25 Nov 2010, 18:44
Looked good and can't really complain with how he went. All O'Keefe can do is keep taking wickets to show his start is no fluke.
The Aus A game was against a full strength England batting lineup, and he took 4 wickets in much less helpful conditions (not that today was brilliant for spinners, but there was a bit of grip out there, and there was nothing for the spinners in Hobart).
While Doherty has looked dangerous, I'll take O'Keefe any day. He has control which Doherty lacks, and he has consistently taken wickets ever since coming into FC cricket.
That's not even considering his batting ability (which shouldn't be considered, but is a handy bonus in any case)
That is a a statement from someone who has clearly seen very little of him. The concern with Doherty has not been his control but if his bag of tricks was big enough to get wickets.
The 747
25 Nov 2010, 19:00
The Aus A game was against a full strength England batting lineup, and he took 4 wickets in much less helpful conditions (not that today was brilliant for spinners, but there was a bit of grip out there, and there was nothing for the spinners in Hobart).
While Doherty has looked dangerous, I'll take O'Keefe any day. He has control which Doherty lacks, and he has consistently taken wickets ever since coming into FC cricket.
That's not even considering his batting ability (which shouldn't be considered, but is a handy bonus in any case)
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indieswan96
25 Nov 2010, 19:07
O'Keefe, would allow Bollinger to come in for Johnson as he is a strong enough batsman to hold down No. 8.:thumbsu:
BarneyBent
25 Nov 2010, 19:36
That is a a statement from someone who has clearly seen very little of him. The concern with Doherty has not been his control but if his bag of tricks was big enough to get wickets.
From what I've seen, both in his ODD/I games and this Test, he has trouble sticking with his lines, tending to stray down leg occasionally. Doherty and SOK both have somewhat limited arsenals, relying on more subtle variations on a stock ball than doosras, toppies, etc, but from what I've seen SOK bowls tighter lines.
Doherty bowled exceptionally well today I thought, the signs were good. Decent turn, landed them in good areas, could flight a few more but I was impressed.
Gak Attack
25 Nov 2010, 19:54
From what I've seen, both in his ODD/I games and this Test, he has trouble sticking with his lines, tending to stray down leg occasionally. Doherty and SOK both have somewhat limited arsenals, relying on more subtle variations on a stock ball than doosras, toppies, etc, but from what I've seen SOK bowls tighter lines.
So you've seen very little of him then? He is considered by nearly anyone who watches domestic cricket to be the best limited overs spinner we have because of his control. The first ODI he took wickets and got into the tail... hence he was bowling for wickets and not looking to be economical so a few more risky deliveries. Without seeing very much of SOK I would think he like any spinner would let a couple down leg side as well over 14+ overs in a FC or Test match. Doherty/Hauritz I think are seen as the caretakers of the spinners spot until guys like SOK are good enough... too many times have we thrown spinners in too early and then watched them disappear off the face of the earth when they struggled at Test level, at 28 Doherty knows his limitations and so far seems to be able to handle the pressure(dropped catch his only real mistake).
From what I've seen, both in his ODD/I games and this Test, he has trouble sticking with his lines, tending to stray down leg occasionally. Doherty and SOK both have somewhat limited arsenals, relying on more subtle variations on a stock ball than doosras, toppies, etc, but from what I've seen SOK bowls tighter lines.
Just to clarify, you've seen nothing of his domestic one day career where he opens the bowling ad is the only spinner regularly tossed the ball in power plays.
I cant comment on today as I missed all but was also reliably informed by someone who has been on the field in shield cricket that he bowled quite well and bowling led side to Pieterson in attempting a leg side stumping.
BarneyBent
25 Nov 2010, 22:04
Just to clarify, you've seen nothing of his domestic one day career where he opens the bowling ad is the only spinner regularly tossed the ball in power plays.
I cant comment on today as I missed all but was also reliably informed by someone who has been on the field in shield cricket that he bowled quite well and bowling led side to Pieterson in attempting a leg side stumping.
I know he bowls well in ODDs and is trusted to bowl in powerplays. He's a good bowler and difficult to hit big, I'm not bagging him, and I like him a lot in the ODI side. But he bowls an off stump line to the righties which from his angle makes it easy to slide down leg, and it happens. He tends to bowl quick and a little flat-ish (not poorly so, it's a description, not a criticism), and he seems pretty consistent with length (very few long-hops or full-tosses from what I've seen), so these bad balls are usually just worked away for singles, but it rotates the strike, relieves pressure, and makes it difficult to work on bowling plans. In the shorter formats this is less important.
And trying to get KP stumped down leg? Seriously? He was bowling it on his pads, not out of reach. Worst excuse ever.