Hilfenhaus...overrated?

[Drummond]

Discuss.

To me the guy bowls tight and is somewhat of a pressure building bowler but he doesn't take enough wickets. He would've been perfect with McGrath and Warne who just built pressure and took wickets, but when Hilf is asked to do both, he struggles. For mine he's not a good enough wicket taker to rely on, and I think he's been a bit overrated for a while now.

[eddiesmith]

Very overrated but lots of people on here who will deny it very strongly

[Blue Red and Gold]

Great work Drummond, was coming on here to ask the exact same question.

I like the bloke but I agree with you, the bloke doesnt seem capable of taking wickets on a regular basis. Im not realy sure as to why he was deemed an automatic selection.

[HSSB]

I like him, he's doing better than Johnson at least

[chunkylover]

best new ball bowler we have, hoops it however with 2 lefties opening for england this is nullifed somewhat, with the old ball he seems very pedestrian, not up in 140s, nice pace to just sit on and put away the bad ball when it comes, or even worse when runs are being leaked up the other end (looking at you mitchell) he cant get wickets as you can just see him off and not have to take risks against him

[Drummond]

I like him, he's doing better than Johnson at least
Well, it's not possible to do a worse job that Johnson.

[eddiesmith]

I think the reason Hilfenhaus is considered an automatic selection and why everyone loves him is because after the 2005 Ashes everyone complained that Australia doesnt have a swing bowler. It became the new must have, but what people didnt realise was the reason Australia havent had one since the great Damien Fleming is they are not that much use in alot of places.

England have 1 opening the bowling because they play in England and you need a good swing bowler there, in Australia outside of the GABBA there isnt a need for one. Bellerive they will come in handy but they rarely play there and when they do its against very poor opposition anyway.

You just have to look at Hilfenhaus record in Melbourne and Sydney to see how useless a swing bowler is there

[HSSB]

Well, it's not possible to do a worse job that Johnson.
Marcus North's batting?

Also didn't Johnson dominate in the Sheffield Shield prior to the Ashes, he made 118* if I remember correctly

[Ill Chicken]

Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle are all one dimensional bowlers.

[gbatman]

He's bowling fine. He just lacks bowling smarts and doesn't pitch it up and bowl straight enough often enought. He lacks variation too.

[HSSB]

Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle are all one dimensional bowlers.
But what if you have a 3D tv?

[chunkylover]

He's bowling fine. He just lacks bowling smarts and doesn't pitch it up and bowl straight enough often enought. He lacks variation too.

so apart from the lack of bowling smarts, not pitching it up enough or bowling not straight enough and his lack of variation he is a fine bowler??? when these 4 faults are corrected what level is he at then?

*if i missed the sarcasm i apologise*

[Gak Attack]

He's bowling fine. He just lacks bowling smarts and doesn't pitch it up and bowl straight enough often enought. He lacks variation too.

He is very much a new ball bowler, always puts the pressure on early and can take a few quick wickets at the start of the innings. Certainly needs to work on his bowled with the old ball but is far from the worst we are throwing out there. Also can put in a lot longer spells than the other quicks which can be handy when hes on. OP has some serious Tassie hate, enjoy Sir.

[Cleavy]

Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle are all one dimensional bowlers.

But what if you have a 3D tv?

tv explodes

[Cooldude]

Kidding, right? He's the least of our problems

[Caesar]

I think the reason Hilfenhaus is considered an automatic selection and why everyone loves him is because after the 2005 Ashes everyone complained that Australia doesnt have a swing bowler. It became the new must have, but what people didnt realise was the reason Australia havent had one since the great Damien Fleming is they are not that much use in alot of places.

England have 1 opening the bowling because they play in England and you need a good swing bowler there, in Australia outside of the GABBA there isnt a need for one. Bellerive they will come in handy but they rarely play there and when they do its against very poor opposition anyway.

You just have to look at Hilfenhaus record in Melbourne and Sydney to see how useless a swing bowler is there
True to an extent, but he does add another dimension to the side and when you have Watson you really don't need a fourth seamer. It's very useful to have him in the team as an extra option... look at the Pakistan Test at the SCG last year, the cloud cover comes over and suddenly you could have brought him on and had a whole new weapon.

If he was useless when the ball wasn't swinging it'd be hard to merit his place in the side, but he still keeps it pretty tight even in unfavourable conditions.

[kingbet22]

Stuart clark > Hilfenhaus

[aussie1st]

His swing is too early from the hand which essentially waste his advantage as the batsmen can pick it up pretty early. He can get the ball to swing late but like all our bowlers it is only here and there where it happens. As mentioned he is the least of our problems atm, Johnson is the first one that needs to go along with Marcus South.

[Bradesmaen]

He needs a good field set for him. Ponting does not set good fields, he has no idea what he is doing.

[Black Thunder]

this board could go into meltdown with this thread ;)

hilf get a lot of love on this board, and he is a goer and gives his all and generally bowls pretty well.

but the fact is he has played 15 tests, yet to take a 5wkt inns or 6 in a match and averages above 30...

but he still would've been our first bowler picked but there is very little seperating him, siddle, johnson, bollinger and harris while a copeland is closing the gap fast and another strong performance at the WACA won't do him any harm...

[Black Thunder]

here we go. hilfy on... the stakes in this game have been raised further in the last few hours. wickets here really cement hilf's spot in the team.

[Tyberious Funk]

He seems to be a bowler that thrives on certain conditions. But if conditions aren't suiting him, he's pretty ineffective. Still keeps it tight, but just not threatening at all.

Whereas Johnson bowls tripe in all conditions :)

I miss Dougy :(

[gbatman]

Not enjoying watching hilfenhaus waste another new3 ball by bowling too short.

Someone tell him he's a swing bowler and he must bowl full and straight. Not short. Not all over the place.

Talented but one of the dumbest bowler we have had in a long long time.

[whats_at_stake]

He needs to learn from Zaheer Khan. Whilst I doubt Hilfenhouse will ever be as a good a bowler as Khan, he needs to learn to be effective when the bowl is not swinging. Zaheer Khan bowls cutters etc. when he cannot swing or reverse it.

Hilfenhouse is just not that threatening when the bowl does not swing.

[placebo]

You guys are so damn reactionary.

I'm sure we'll get a whole bunch claiming they always thought this about Hilf, when really, the thought didn't cross your mind before this one test.

[amer]

Drummond wtf? You've been talking the Hilf up for ages, do you ever stand by an opinion that isn't to do with a Norwood player?

The bloke's been either out injured or playing injured (lower back) for the majority of his career; on the rare occasion he's been fully fit he has torn it up at domestic level, and despite bowling with pain for most of his career in the Aussie side he's put up some terrific spells. His durability is a definite concern, but he is not overrated. That is a ridiculous assertion. Johnson is overrated.

[eddiesmith]

You guys are so damn reactionary.

I'm sure we'll get a whole bunch claiming they always thought this about Hilf, when really, the thought didn't cross your mind before this one test.
Actually I always have and made the point many times to very negative reactions

Although I also expected him to do well at the GABBA and nowhere else so it doesnt look good for the rest of the series for him if he cant perform in ideal conditions for him

[placebo]

I didn't say everyone eddie.

[demon21]

I thought he has bowled pretty good today just hasnt had much luck, To me there isnt much difference with a few of our quicks.

[saint_larry]

From what I saw, Rickys fields didn't help Hilf too much.
2 left handers at the crease, his best chance of getting them out is swinging it back into them.
But cant attack the stumps, as there are only 2 fielders on the leg side.
At least he didnt go for a lot of runs.

[Dude Lebowski]

Leading wicket taker in last years Ashes when no one else fired a shot, except for maybe Siddle. Has taken over 60 wickets in a Shield season playing for Tasmania in Australian conditions. Trouble is, he's been hampered by injuries throughout his career and has had no continuity. People have very short memories.

Think this is just a case of <Insert my states frontline bowler here> should be playing for Australia. :rolleyes:

[tazzietiger]

Theres a few bowlers I would be replacing and say are overrated before Hilfy

[Doodlesweaver]

Theres a few bowlers I would be replacing and say are overrated before Hilfy

At least Hilfy has got a bloody ticker. You can't say that about Johnson.

[mattymac]

we need to pick an attack not individual bowlers. its pointless having a pressure builder like hilf and then bowl him with johnson and siddle. the attack needs to bowl to plans. the attack itself needs to be a plan. we need to start bowling in partnerships. we need bowlers with proper facial hair. and we prolly need a new captain

[Doodlesweaver]

we need to pick an attack not individual bowlers. its pointless having a pressure builder like hilf and then bowl him with johnson and siddle. the attack needs to bowl to plans. the attack itself needs to be a plan. we need to start bowling in partnerships. we need bowlers with proper facial hair. and we prolly need a new captain

Yep, absolutely agree with you about the pressure building and team bowling. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a bowler for Australia be such a pressure valve as Johnson.

[Damon_3388]

Career figures for Hilfenhaus, Peter Siddle and Mitchell Johnson (includes first innings of current match):

Ben Hilfenhaus - 31.65 average, 49 wickets, 60.20 strike rate, 3.03 economy rate
Peter Siddle - 29.48 average, 66 wickets, 58.47 strike rate, 3.03 economy rate
Mitchell Johnson - 29.46 average, 166 wickets, 53.98 strike rate, 3.27 economy rate

Siddle and Johnson are considered garbage bowlers by most BFers, yet their figures look just as good if not better than Hilfenhaus. Just saying...

[Jammer]

I'd go as far to say that this is Aus worst bowling attack in 20 years....
All of them may have the odd moment in the sun, but by and large
they do not strike fear in the hearts of the opponents.

I know most will not agree,,,,, but i really think Watson is better than our three strike bowlers. Can swing it around, gets movement off the pitch, If
not for his dodgy back i think he would be used a lot more.

[placebo]

Career figures for Hilfenhaus, Peter Siddle and Mitchell Johnson (includes first innings of current match):

Ben Hilfenhaus - 31.65 average, 49 wickets, 60.20 strike rate, 3.03 economy rate
Peter Siddle - 29.48 average, 66 wickets, 58.47 strike rate, 3.03 economy rate
Mitchell Johnson - 29.46 average, 166 wickets, 53.98 strike rate, 3.27 economy rate

Siddle and Johnson are considered garbage bowlers by most BFers, yet their figures look just as good if not better than Hilfenhaus. Just saying...

Stats can be misleading. For example, Hilfenhaus was our best bowler in India, yet he only ended up with 5 wickets or so. Also, he's struggled with continuity because of injury/fitness.

[mattymac]

28.5% of statistics are wrong. twice that number are meaningless without context.

hilf gets the big, top order wickets. if it wasn't for hilf bowling with control and troubling batsmen, johnson and siddle wouldn't be gifted as many wickets. bats play their shots more against siddle and johnson cos what they serve up is appealing after blocking and letting 6 naggers in the corridor from hilf go through. hence the former two are feeding off hilf's hard work and consistency.

hilf is the only one i'd keep in the attack. hilf, bollinger and harris would be ideal. copeland keeping them on their toes:thumbsu:

[Bucking Beads]

Problem is all of the bowlers in this country at the moment are all sitting at the same talent levels. We have no great bowlers just average bowlers who should only ever be the 3rd paceman picked.

[GameOver]

Our no.1 problem at the moment is our "#1 bowler"... as long as Johnson remains the #1 strike bowler, we're in deep, deep trouble... doesn't have the control to be a consistently good bowler and often picks up wickets with loose deliveries... the most overrated player going around in world cricket at the moment and all because he has some pace

[Grimwood]

I don't see why Hilfenhaus should be bagged for 'just' building up pressure. If Australia had three other bowlers who could do that they'd be a lot tougher to bat against.

[Financialpanther]

I don't see why Hilfenhaus should be bagged for 'just' building up pressure. If Australia had three other bowlers who could do that they'd be a lot tougher to bat against.
The OP had it right "He would have been great with a McGrath and Warne - to build pressure etc". It pretty much is exactly what he is there for - but the problem is that the Australian selectors expect Mitchell Johnson to be the subsitute for Warne/McGrath and let him leak runs like a sieve and bowl erratically if it means he will take wickets quicker. The problem is that Mitchell believed the hype and is no longer fit to even carry the drinks. When the main strike weapon doesn't even provide a whimper - your stock toiler bowler like Hilfy won't take all the wickets (even though Hilfy you should probably get that line and length right from time to time). You would love all of your frontline bowlers to take 5 for each game, but its unrealistic - sometimes their job is to remain tight and frustrate the opposition whilst the strike bowler cleans up. Doesn't help when your strike bowler spends his time trying to menace the opposition by bowling short wide shyte.

[crownie]

reminds me a bit of Gillespie in regards to i havnt seen him bowl with much luck.

[jko'neal]

reminds me a bit of Gillespie in regards to i havnt seen him bowl with much luck.

I agree with this comment, I also think most opposition teams are prepared to sit on Hilfenhaus a bit and accept what they get run wise off him. Where as they fancy themselves scoring more off guys like Johnson and Siddle.

[King Elvis]

Good bowler who is great with the right conditions.

Pick him when the conditions suit, otherwise, don't - simple.

[Hellgood]

Can't really single him out, can't drop him. Who could you drop him for? Harris? maybe, but should be in for Johnson ASAP. Copeland? Would like to see him get a go, but is he better than Hilfenhaus? Probably not.

Hopefully we'll escape with a draw tomorrow and in Adelaide the attack will be Hilf, Harris, Siddle

[Covvy]

I dunno why, but Hilfy has a struggle to get the tailenders out. He can and usually does get the to porder out, but never finishes off.

[Marklar_33]

Hilfy has done nothing wrong...poor bloke has gotten no support. When Johnson is just gifting runs, theres no need to take any unneccessary risks off other bowlers. Hence why England are 1/300+ :cool:

[Drummond]

Why are people saying who would I drop him for?

1. I'm not saying he's no good
2. I'm not saying he needs to be dropped

All I'm saying is that he doesn't take enough WICKETS to be genuinely hailed as a top quality fast bowler. He's decent, but averaging 30+, and averaging less WPG than both Siddle and Johnson, both who cop a lot more than he does. I just wish he could be a bit more damagaing, and have more spells were he rips them apart.

[Selective Retention]

Hilfy in his 14 tests has played England x 6, South Africa x 3, India x 2, Pak (in Eng) x 2, WI x 1.

Got one average booster in against the Windies but injured himself and out for the summer.

He missed the chance to pad his stats last summer v. WI, Pak & NZ.

Certainly against the poms he's measured up a lot better than Johnson overall.

[frankrizzo]

We need a change, issue is we all know johnson won't be dropped.

It's almost impossible to get the balance right when your "strike bowler" is an our of form first changer who is untouchable.

[Eth]

Is our best with the new ball, hence the automatic selection.

Just can't do much when the ball's 40+ overs old.

[demon21]

I think he would be more handy if there was another bowler up the other end building the pressure as well to me Siddle is a 1st change bowler.

So to me Hilf Bollinger or Harris 2 of them should be in the side and they should open the attack.

[Beth]

Good bowler who is great with the right conditions.

Pick him when the conditions suit, otherwise, don't - simple.

Don't be ridiculous (read sensible) there are a summer's worth of Vodafone, KFC and Johnnie Walker ads that are already in the can, we can't be chopping and changing players based on form/ability!!

[Lazarus]

As other people are saying, he needs more support. He can't be expected to pick up the slack of Johnson not getting any wickets.

[Damon_3388]

Don't be ridiculous (read sensible) there are a summer's worth of Vodafone, KFC and Johnnie Walker ads that are already in the can, we can't be chopping and changing players based on form/ability!!

Reminds me of that "Hey Hughesy!" KFC ad that was getting milked last summer (part of the Mick from KFC series), when Phillip Hughes was out of the Australian side for all bar one Test :p

[Gak Attack]

As other people are saying, he needs more support. He can't be expected to pick up the slack of Johnson not getting any wickets.

Exactly hasn't been the worst that's for sure. Besides Siddle's wonder spell he also has been very very average.

[eddiesmith]

Yep, lets blame everyone else for Hilfenhaus being shit...

Of course we couldnt expect the board to then say maybe Siddle is having trouble keeping up his consistency due to the shit at the other end, nah, couldnt possibly say that...

[Ill Chicken]

Face it eddiesmith, they're both overrated.

[eddiesmith]

Siddle overrated? lol, that would be the day :D

[Hellgood]

Reminds me of that "Hey Hughesy!" KFC ad that was getting milked last summer (part of the Mick from KFC series), when Phillip Hughes was out of the Australian side for all bar one Test :p


Same with Bollinger this year

[NMFC 1811]

He doesn't take enough wickets at the end of the day.

We all see he can bowl well, just lacks the killer ball and some penetration.

[Jimthegreat]

Siddle will play (Johnson won't) so the problem Hilfenhaus has is that Bollinger and Harris are alot better options if we are to take 20 wickets. In our situation, no choice, we pick the best, not wondering if a player deserves to be dropped. Hilfenhaus hasn't done too much wrong, just not enough "right" hence never looks like running through a side. Decent bowler but doesn't put fear into the opposition. Good to have around in case something happens to the main bowlers but should find himself 12th man for the rest of the summer if everyone is fit.

[kenrosewall]

Gee people are blowing a lot of wind up Harris' @rse.

He is a very good FC bowler, just like Hilfy was before he was selected in Test matches, but he is nothing more than an honest trier. He won't be the saviour that everyone has pinned their hopes on. His good form coincided with his move to the GABBA, and I wish people would stop talking up his all-round abilities, he can bat a bit but only has 6 FC half-centuries from how many games and an average of sub-20.

I agree that Bollinger needs to be Hilf's new ball partner at the expense of Johnno, but Harris definately should not be picked ahead of Hilf (they are similiar bowlers, and Hilf has the runs on the board).

[BONG RIPS MKII]

never rated hilfenhaus

maybe he and johnson should try bowling some of siddle's right arm poo because he is the only member of our bowling attack who belongs at international level

[benny_cousins]

Gee people are blowing a lot of wind up Harris' @rse.

He is a very good FC bowler, just like Hilfy was before he was selected in Test matches, but he is nothing more than an honest trier. He won't be the saviour that everyone has pinned their hopes on. His good form coincided with his move to the GABBA, and I wish people would stop talking up his all-round abilities, he can bat a bit but only has 6 FC half-centuries from how many games and an average of sub-20.

I agree that Bollinger needs to be Hilf's new ball partner at the expense of Johnno, but Harris definately should not be picked ahead of Hilf (they are similiar bowlers, and Hilf has the runs on the board).

Since when is a bowling average of over 33 classed as having the runs on the board? He's handy when the ball is new. That is it.

[aussie1st]

Harris is no where near like Hilfy, he is more like Siddle but actually can consistently swing it and bowl at 145km/h. He is a hit your deck bowler which most certainly isn't Hilfy.

[King Elvis]

If it's swinging, Hilfy is your first picked.

If it's not...

[TassieSaint]

Hilfenhaus gets the good top order players out, that's what you want from an opening bowler. Just because he doesn't feast on tailender wickets to boost his average shouldn't be a reason to drop him. He had an average game at the Gabba (as did everyone in the second innings) but he's been our best bowler for the for the past year. Will be very dissappointed if Harris gets in ahead of him. He's a good bowler but nothing particularly special.

[Damon_3388]

Harris is no where near like Hilfy, he is more like Siddle but actually can consistently swing it and bowl at 145km/h. He is a hit your deck bowler which most certainly isn't Hilfy.

Exactly. Harris is like a rich man's Siddle. Doesn't mean they can't be in the same side though, because even though he was average in the second innings at the Gabba, Siddle's hat-trick and six-fer obviously put him ahead of Hilfenhaus ATM.

Hilfenhaus gets the good top order players out, that's what you want from an opening bowler. Just because he doesn't feast on tailender wickets to boost his average shouldn't be a reason to drop him. He had an average game at the Gabba (as did everyone in the second innings) but he's been our best bowler for the for the past year. Will be very dissappointed if Harris gets in ahead of him. He's a good bowler but nothing particularly special.

And yet he still has a poorer average, strike rate and economy rate (in both Tests and First Class games) than Peter "Right Arm Poo" Siddle, and a poorer average and strike rate (in Tests) than Mitchell "Left Arm Rat Shit" Johnson. For all the fuss, Hilfenhaus just doesn't take wicket frequently enough.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Hilfenhaus always looks like he's really labouring when he bowls? His running style and slow-mo ball release make him look like an arthritic old man.

[frankrizzo]

but he's been our best bowler for the for the past year.

cmon i like hilf as well but bollinger has been light years ahead of the rest this past year.

The myths about hilf seem to be getting out of control on this board based mostly on him trapping gayle a few times on the crease at the gabba last year.

[Covvy]

Exactly. Harris is like a rich man's Siddle. Doesn't mean they can't be in the same side though, because even though he was average in the second innings at the Gabba, Siddle's hat-trick and six-fer obviously put him ahead of Hilfenhaus ATM.



And yet he still has a poorer average, strike rate and economy rate (in both Tests and First Class games) than Peter "Right Arm Poo" Siddle, and a poorer average and strike rate (in Tests) than Mitchell "Left Arm Rat Shit" Johnson. For all the fuss, Hilfenhaus just doesn't take wicket frequently enough.

Also, am I the only one that thinks Hilfenhaus always looks like he's really labouring when he bowls? His running style and slow-mo ball release make him look like an arthritic old man.

You can read the rest of his post. He said that his average isn't as good becasue he doesn't feast on the tail.

[BarneyBent]

You can read the rest of his post. He said that his average isn't as good becasue he doesn't feast on the tail.

Given our inability to dismiss the tail lately, I'm not sure that's an argument for keeping him in the side.

Not taking tailend wickets is not a good thing. It is a bad thing. A very bad thing.

[TassieSaint]

cmon i like hilf as well but bollinger has been light years ahead of the rest this past year.

The myths about hilf seem to be getting out of control on this board based mostly on him trapping gayle a few times on the crease at the gabba last year.
Fair call on Bollinger but Hilf has been among our better players. And it's not just Gayle, I think if you looked at his wickets most of them would be the gun top order batsmen like Gayle and Strauss.

So he's not as effective later in the innings, it's an area he's been improving on. I think his ability to trouble the genuine batsmen should keep him in the side anyway. I just don't see Harris being more effective, and think it'd be unfair to drop Hilf after one average performance.

[aussie1st]

For me Harris and Bollinger should be the two locks, they have been outstanding since arriving in the Australian side. Then the 3rd spot comes down to Hilfy and Siddle, I'd have no problem with Hilfy over Siddle but there is no way Siddle will be dropped after his 6 fer especially given the trouble the selectors went through to get him into the side in the first place so Hilfy is the unlucky fella to miss out.

[Corrosion]

Laughable decision to drop Hilfenhaus, look at the swing Anderson was getting today. Nice scapegoat made out of Hilfy.

[Underdog]

Laughable decision to drop Hilfenhaus, look at the swing Anderson was getting today. Nice scapegoat made out of Hilfy.

Depends how Harris goes I guess.

Having said that - Hilfy shouldn't have been dropped. He struggled for wickets like everybody but at least he was economical.

[Tazwegian]

Hilfy is a pretty decent bowler. If you look at his stats, they don't seem great at test level. But I ask you to go through and look at who he has got out! You will find that 90% of his wickets, if not more, are top order batsmen. He rarely gets a bowl at the tail enders.

Plus, he is just unlucky at the moment, and maybe a little out of form. I think he can cut it as a test bowler, but I must admit that I was glad to see Harris come in for Hilfy for Adelaide. Save Hilf for when the ball will swing.

[Drummond]

Overrated big time. Needs to freaking take wickets. So non threatening, unless he strikes in his first two overs, he's useless.

[amer]

Overrated big time. Needs to freaking take wickets. So non threatening, unless he strikes in his first two overs, he's useless.

****ing harden up and stand by an opinion for once Drummond. Hilfenhaus is out of form but he's not overrated.

[Drummond]

****ing harden up and stand by an opinion for once Drummond. Hilfenhaus is out of form but he's not overrated.
:p

When's he been in good form? Should always tour England, elsewhere....

[Blue Dimension]

Hilfenhaus is quality. He's been very unlucky this series. The commentators are right, he needs to come from wider of the crease and angle a few in. No doubt in my mind he'd get more wickets if he did that.

[amer]

:p

When's he been in good form? Should always tour England, elsewhere....

Good in India, good against Pakistan, good in South Africa. He's struggling big time right now though.

[Drummond]

Hilfenhaus is quality. He's been very unlucky this series. The commentators are right, he needs to come from wider of the crease and angle a few in. No doubt in my mind he'd get more wickets if he did that.
Your problem is your listen to those mugs. He's been semi unlucky this series, but the fact is he doesn't take enough wickets. Average career SR & average, and needs to take bigger hauls of wickets. Im not saying he's a spud, but he's got to make a bigger impact more often.

[Blue Dimension]

And when has Hilfenhaus let us down prior to this series? Please. He's had a rough patch of recent times but he's too good to not be in this side. Disagree with you completely re: being overrated.

[Plugger35]

Hilfenhaus has bowled well today, been unlucky not to take wickets.

Even if he doesn't take wickets he keeps it tight which is still valuable. Johnson, Siddle and Harris might take more wickets but can be pretty expensive as well. You need someone that can tie down an end and restrict the scoring.

[Bradesmaen]

Hilfy has probably been the best bowler this series for us, just not getting the wickets. He's too good for them.

[Gak Attack]

Hilfy has probably been the best bowler this series for us, just not getting the wickets. He's too good for them.

Yep but the muppets in here want wickets, sure he has probably been off this series but hes still been our most economical when hes played... I mean if you look at the Brisbane debacle he leaked far less runs than the others. You will always get people saying its all about wickets but you won't get wickets as easy if every bowler is leaking 5 an over. He probably needs a little bit of work to try and make all those times he beats the bat.. hit the bat, on the radio they were saying he needs to pitch it up slightly more so work on that. Problem is on here you get people who don't watch a bit of cricket besides what channel 9 shows them each summer and probably can't remember back to his MOTM effort the summer before but suddenly are experts on cricket in Australia.

[Drummond]

Yep but the muppets in here want wickets, sure he has probably been off this series but hes still been our most economical when hes played... I mean if you look at the Brisbane debacle he leaked far less runs than the others. You will always get people saying its all about wickets but you won't get wickets as easy if every bowler is leaking 5 an over. He probably needs a little bit of work to try and make all those times he beats the bat.. hit the bat, on the radio they were saying he needs to pitch it up slightly more so work on that. Problem is on here you get people who don't watch a bit of cricket besides what channel 9 shows them each summer and probably can't remember back to his MOTM effort the summer before but suddenly are experts on cricket in Australia.
Totally unreasonable I know!! :rolleyes:

[Gak Attack]

Totally unreasonable I know!! :rolleyes:

Yep ********s like you who probably think someone who takes 6 in and innings and then bowls shite for the next 3 innings is better than someone who is consistently tight but only takes 2-3 wickets and innings.

[Cousin Jed]

Problem is on here you get people who don't watch a bit of cricket besides what channel 9 shows them each summer and probably can't remember back to his MOTM effort the summer before but suddenly are experts on cricket in Australia.

Has he ever had a Man of the Match? 5 wickets is the most he has taken in a match.

[Drummond]

Yep ********s like you who probably think someone who takes 6 in and innings and then bowls shite for the next 3 innings is better than someone who is consistently tight but only takes 2-3 wickets and innings.
Do you have an anger management problem or something? Look at you go! :D

[Higs]

He has been our most consistent bowler, been building up the pressure all day and probably unlucky not to have a wicket or 2. His role was important keeping it tight at the other end when MJ was taking those wickets. Has bowled much better than Siddle

[Gak Attack]

Do you have an anger management problem or something? Look at you go! :D

That's angry? :rolleyes:


Jed
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ausvwi09/engine/match/406189.html

Don't forget he was easily our best performed bowler in the last Ashes.

[Black Thunder]

Yep ********s like you who probably think someone who takes 6 in and innings and then bowls shite for the next 3 innings is better than someone who is consistently tight but only takes 2-3 wickets and innings.

but hilf isn't taking 2-3 wickets an innings.

i don't mind hilf. it's not like he's completely crap and undeserving of his spot. but people on here talk about him as if he's spot in the team is an absolute certainty every test. but he needs to take more wickets for that to be the case.

[amer]

The thing is you people are judging Hilf on how he's bowling right now, when this is pretty far below his best, and he's been consistently pretty good leading up to this rough patch.

[chef]

Has he ever had a Man of the Match? 5 wickets is the most he has taken in a match.

Brisbane last year against WI he was MOTM

[Covvy]

If he had a proper field plan to bowl to then he might get more wickets.....

[Underdog]

He has been our most consistent bowler, been building up the pressure all day and probably unlucky not to have a wicket or 2. His role was important keeping it tight at the other end when MJ was taking those wickets. Has bowled much better than Siddle

Yep.

He's our best bowler at building pressure from an end.