A trade I think can work... [Archive]

Mong

21 Aug 2003, 17:05

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Adelaide Trade :

Simon Goodwin
First rd pick
Michael Doughty

Richmond Trade :
Brad Ottens
Adam Fiora or Jay Shulz

Thoughts?

Where do I sign?

I'll have Schulz with Ottens, thanks.

Mong

Edit: On second thoughts would you take Biglands instead of our 1st round pick? If we had Ottens we probably wouldn't need both Biglands and Marsh.

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 20:40

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Adelaide Trade :

Simon Goodwin
First rd pick
Michael Doughty

Richmond Trade :
Brad Ottens
Adam Fiora or Jay Shulz

Thoughts? That 1st round pick is a bit rich. Fiora, NO THANKS. Schulz I would have.

Anyone else heard that trade rumour about McLeod on 5AA?Apparently a bloke overheard James Fantasia talking to someone in a cafe and if McLeod doesn't agree to what AFC are offering they would trade him and Perrie to Freo for Pavlich and a pick.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DaveW

21 Aug 2003, 20:47

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Anyone else heard that trade rumour about McLeod on 5AA?Apparently a bloke overheard James Fantasia talking to someone in a cafe and if McLeod doesn't agree to what AFC are offering they would trade him and Perrie to Freo for Pavlich and a pick.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Freo trade a contracted Pavlich? ROFL!

kretchy

21 Aug 2003, 20:51

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Adelaide Trade :

Simon Goodwin
First rd pick
Michael Doughty

Richmond Trade :
Brad Ottens
Adam Fiora or Jay Shulz

Thoughts?
Unlikely can't see it happening either.

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 21:00

Originally posted by DaveW
Freo trade a contracted Pavlich? ROFL! What does ROFL mean??????:confused:

But anyway I nearly drove off the road in a laughter fit there is no way Freo would trade Pavlich and there is no way known we would trade McLeod.

Is McLeod really worth $650K being reported in the media lately???? I DON'T THINK SO.:mad:

DaveW

21 Aug 2003, 21:06

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
What does ROFL mean??????:confused: You haven't seen ROFL before? In forums or chat or messenger?

Rolling on (the) floor laughing

But anyway I nearly drove off the road in a laughter fit Stop listening to 5AA; for your own safety. ;)
there is no way Freo would trade Pavlich and there is no way known we would trade McLeod. Pavlich still has a season or two to run on his contract. Fremantle would have to be out of their mind.

Is McLeod really worth $650K being reported in the media lately???? I DON'T THINK SO.:mad: I dunno... by standards set by the management at Princes Park he could be worth plenty more than that. ;)

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 21:20

Originally posted by DaveW
I dunno... by standards set by the management at Princes Park he could be worth plenty more than that. ;) Yeah but do we want to end up like the mob at Princess Park??????

Personally I don't think there is a player in the AFL worth more than $500K

DaveW

21 Aug 2003, 21:23

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah but do we want to end up like the mob at Princess Park??????

Personally I don't think there is a player in the AFL worth more than $500K You're only worth what people are prepared to pay for you...

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 21:31

Originally posted by DaveW
You're only worth what people are prepared to pay for you... Seriously, is there any club in the AFL who could afford to pay him $550K+??????

I doubt it.

macca23

21 Aug 2003, 21:56

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Seriously, is there any club in the AFL who could afford to pay him $550K+??????

I doubt it.

That would be my top dollar for any footballer in any team - $550k.

3 years ago it would have been $500k and indexation would take that to $550k today.

I still think the AFL should divide the salary cap into ranges with a ceiling of $550k
i.e
so many players allowed between 450 and 550
so many between 350 and 450
so many between 250 and 350
And so on

Also the ranges should automatically be indexed each year, with no back end loading of contracts allowed which would avoid the farcically high amounts that Hird and Kouta are lining up for next season, and the ridiculous financial situation that some clubs get themselves into.

DaveW

21 Aug 2003, 21:59

Originally posted by macca23
That would be my top dollar for any footballer in any team - $550k.

3 years ago it would have been $500k and indexation would take that to $550k today.

I still think the AFL should divide the salary cap into ranges with a ceiling of $550k
i.e
so many players allowed between 450 and 550
so many between 350 and 450
so many between 250 and 350
And so on

Also the ranges should automatically be indexed each year, with no back end loading of contracts allowed which would avoid the farcically high amounts that Hird and Kouta are lining up for next season, and the ridiculous financial situation that some clubs get themselves into. I disagree.

The AFL sets the cap and allows the clubs to work within that.

It's up to the clubs to decide who gets what. There's no reason why there shouldn't be that flexibility. If Essendon and Carlton want to overpay their players, they do so at their own risk.

It just comes down to good financial management.

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 22:00

Originally posted by macca23
That would be my top dollar for any footballer in any team - $550k.

3 years ago it would have been $500k and indexation would take that to $550k today.

I still think the AFL should divide the salary cap into ranges with a ceiling of $550k
i.e
so many players allowed between 450 and 550
so many between 350 and 450
so many between 250 and 350
And so on

Also the ranges should automatically be indexed each year, with no back end loading of contracts allowed which would avoid the farcically high amounts that Hird and Kouta are lining up for next season, and the ridiculous financial situation that some clubs get themselves into. Thats how AFC do it macca23. I remember listening to John Reid earlier in the year and thats how AFC do it.

Apparently there are 5 levels and and salary range allocated to each level. I think its the only sensible way to go.

macca23

21 Aug 2003, 22:05

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Thats how AFC do it macca23. I remember listening to John Reid earlier in the year and thats how AFC do it.

Apparently there are 5 levels and and salary range allocated to each level. I think its the only sensible way to go.

I didn't hear that Stiffy, but that's how I'd do it.

It still allows movements between ranges at contract negotiation time. Really good form could move you up a range and not so good could mean that you drop a range. Minor variations in form would see movements within a range.

macca23

21 Aug 2003, 22:12

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Adelaide Trade :

Simon Goodwin
First rd pick
Michael Doughty

Richmond Trade :
Brad Ottens
Adam Fiora or Jay Shulz

Thoughts?

Back to this one.

Goodwin, Doughty and a 2nd round pick for Ottens and Jay Schulz would be a fair trade for both parties - not a first round pick.

I'd do the trade with a 2nd round pick as the balancing item.

kretchy

21 Aug 2003, 22:14

Originally posted by macca23
Back to this one.

Goodwin, Doughty and a 2nd round pick for Ottens and Jay Schulz would be a fair trade for both parties - not a first round pick.

I'd do the trade with a 2nd round pick as the balancing item.
I wouldn't want to be trading two key postion players (one proven and one who looks to have a lot of potential) for one quality midfielder and a fringe player like Doughty. If we wanted someone like Doughty we would be better of just doing it via the draft plenty of players similar to Doughty going around.

Kane McGoodwin

21 Aug 2003, 22:29

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
That 1st round pick is a bit rich. Fiora, NO THANKS. Schulz I would have.

Anyone else heard that trade rumour about McLeod on 5AA?Apparently a bloke overheard James Fantasia talking to someone in a cafe and if McLeod doesn't agree to what AFC are offering they would trade him and Perrie to Freo for Pavlich and a pick.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
lol, like Macca wants to go to Freo. :o

Stiffy_18

21 Aug 2003, 22:39

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
lol, like Macca wants to go to Freo. :o I think its safe to say that Freo would be the last place he would go to.;)

ant

21 Aug 2003, 23:00

I'd pay whatever the dual Norm-Smith medallist wants (within reason). You have to make exceptions for the marquee/ franchise players.

And that trade will never happen, I doubt Richmond would be that stupid :o But good to see you back Carmelo ;)

Crumden

22 Aug 2003, 00:35

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Adelaide Trade :

Simon Goodwin
First rd pick
Michael Doughty

Richmond Trade :
Brad Ottens
Adam Fiora or Jay Shulz

Thoughts?
Out of those options I'd be happy to trade Fiora for either Goodwin or a first round pick.:p

Kane McGoodwin

22 Aug 2003, 12:27

Originally posted by Crumden
Out of those options I'd be happy to trade Fiora for either Goodwin or a first round pick.:p
Not interested in Fiora full-stop. Certainly no chance of wasting Goody or any decent player / pick on him. Find another club! :p

Carmelo Anthony

22 Aug 2003, 16:55

Obviously Goody is underrated here, but anyways..

How about Luke Livingston from Carlton. Young full back whos copped alot of criticism, hes also got good height and maybe needs to add some muscle to his frame. Was the #4 pick in the 2000 (I think) draft I believe. Kris Massie was in the same situation at Carlton and has come here and has been excellent..I think we can get this guy for pretty cheap... something like maybe our 1st and 2nd rd picks for Livingston and their 3rd pick or something (considering our first pick might be at #20 or something rediculous like that this seems like a good deal).

Another bargain could be Quentin Lynch from West Coast.

Stiffy_18

22 Aug 2003, 16:58

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Obviously Goody is underrated here, but anyways..

How about Luke Livingston from Carlton. Young full back whos copped alot of criticism, hes also got good height and maybe needs to add some muscle to his frame. Was the #4 pick in the 2000 (I think) draft I believe. Kris Massie was in the same situation at Carlton and has come here and has been excellent..I think we can get this guy for pretty cheap... something like maybe our 1st and 2nd rd picks for Livingston and their 3rd pick or something (considering our first pick might be at #20 or something rediculous like that this seems like a good deal).

Another bargain could be Quentin Lynch from West Coast. Part of Carltons penalty is that they cannot trade for draft picks, so that would be out of question.;)

DaveW

22 Aug 2003, 16:59

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
How about Luke Livingston from Carlton. Dud.

He struggles to get a game at Carlton, that says at all.

At least Massie was in and out of the side when the Blues were quite strong.

Kane McGoodwin

22 Aug 2003, 17:02

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Part of Carltons penalty is that they cannot trade for draft picks, so that would be out of question.;)
I believe the Blues cannot trade for picks in round 1 & 2 (as they have been banned from these 2 rounds), but other rounds they are OK.

Stiffy_18

22 Aug 2003, 17:07

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I believe the Blues cannot trade for picks in round 1 & 2 (as they have been banned from these 2 rounds), but other rounds they are OK. Correct

Carmelo Anthony

22 Aug 2003, 17:14

Maybe those losers would accept Doughty and a late pick or something, I mean they did give us Massie for Eccles.

Livingston is a pretty good player, his first year or two he showed alot of potential, its only been since the tragedies of the past year and a half hes looked out of sorts.

MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl

22 Aug 2003, 22:27

I am sooooooo tired. Simon Goodwin is a required player. He just signed a new deal for crying out loud. He is not going anywhere. Leave him alone!!!! :mad:

As for Andy McLeod. He won't be going anywhere either. He is as loyal as the day is long and he will come to an agreement very shortly. Leave him alone!!!!!! :mad:

To quote from those ferals down the road:

"we haven't lost a required player yet and this year won't be any different"

k
xx

lozstar

22 Aug 2003, 22:29

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
I am sooooooo tired. Simon Goodwin is a required player. He just signed a new deal for crying out loud. He is not going anywhere. Leave him alone!!!! :mad:
exactly! why is everyone so eager to get rid of him/ship him off to somewhere else? :( :mad:

DaveW

22 Aug 2003, 22:32

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
To quote from those ferals down the road:

"we haven't lost a required player yet and this year won't be any different"
Do the names Kane Johnson, Peter Vardy or Shaun Rehn mean anything to you?

MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl

22 Aug 2003, 22:39

Originally posted by DaveW
Do the names Kane Johnson, Peter Vardy or Shaun Rehn mean anything to you?

Dave, my definition of a required player is 2 things.

1 That a player WANTS to play for the AFC

2 That the club WANTS a player to play for the AFC

Kane Johnson wanted to go home - he always did.

Peter Vardy - wanted to be traded. has done nothing since.

Shaun Rehn - traitor. wanted to be traded. traitor

The above players ended up not required because they didn't want to play for us anymore.

Simon Goodwin WANTS to play for the AFC. The AFC WANTS Simon Goodwin to play for the AFC - hence the new contract. It is stupid talking about this - that is why I am getting so annoyed. :mad:

k
xx

Kane McGoodwin

22 Aug 2003, 23:39

Kristie 1
Dave -1
:p

DaveW

23 Aug 2003, 00:54

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
Dave, my definition of a required player is 2 things.

1 That a player WANTS to play for the AFC

2 That the club WANTS a player to play for the AFC Number 2 is the only pertinent criterion.

Any club would be mad not to want the classy players listed above.

Therefore those players were required, and we lost them.

Think of it this way. If number 1 meant something then no club would ever lose a "required player".

kretchy

23 Aug 2003, 11:27

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl

Peter Vardy - wanted to be traded. has done nothing since.

Wouldn't say Vardy has done nothing since had a top year last season, but has struggled with injury this year.

Stiffy_18

23 Aug 2003, 21:48

If thats the sort crap that Goodwin serves up (and he has been serving it up all year when he has been playing) then he is worth trading.

And no one can convince me that McLeod is worth the $600K-$650K a year on that sort of form. He would be getting $10000 a kick this year. On form this year Roo is the only one worth big $$$ closely followed by Edwards. Everyone else is good one week then quiet for the next couple.

macca23

23 Aug 2003, 21:53

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If thats the sort crap that Goodwin serves up (and he has been serving it up all year when he has been playing) then he is worth trading.

And no one can convince me that McLeod is worth the $600K-$650K a year on that sort of form. He would be getting $10000 a kick this year. On form this year Roo is the only one worth big $$$ closely followed by Edwards. Everyone else is good one week then quiet for the next couple.

Goody's had a very poor year compared with past years. I see that Pagan has said that he would consider trading the Blues priority pick for a quality mid-fielder.

I'd definitely trade Goody to Carlton for a crack at the cream of the draft's young KPP's.

As far a Macca is concerned, he hasn't lived up to past years either, but it's about time he was played in the mid-field all the time where he plays his best footy rather than a HF flank

lozstar

23 Aug 2003, 22:08

There's no denying that Goodwin hasn't exactly had the best year of his career so far... But then again, McLeod hasn't exactly been in the form of his previous years and he won't be shipped off elsewhere, just like Goodwin won't.

I don't see the point in getting rid of somebody like Goodwin. We all know what he's capable of, and his best isn't yet past him. We'll be seeing his best form again soon, cause he won't stay in the crap form that he is in atm. :)

Like Kristie has already said, he wants to play for the AFC and they want him to play for them.. They won't be getting rid of him anytime soon.

Stiffy_18

23 Aug 2003, 22:09

Originally posted by macca23
Goody's had a very poor year compared with past years. I see that Pagan has said that he would consider trading the Blues priority pick for a quality mid-fielder.

I'd definitely trade Goody to Carlton for a crack at the cream of the draft's young KPP's. I read that too but I am not sure if Carlton would trade pick 2 for a 27 year old midfielder. Would be worth a shot.

Nige_Bix

23 Aug 2003, 23:27

Originally posted by macca23
As far a Macca is concerned, he hasn't lived up to past years either, but it's about time he was played in the mid-field all the time where he plays his best footy rather than a HF flank The sooner Macca gets his mind totally on football the better - in fact overall i feel his season as been a bit inconsistent and he hasnt had the impact we come to expect.

Carmelo Anthony

24 Aug 2003, 22:26

I would trade anyone on the list if it means improving our overall team.

If we can get a star key position player for someone from our midfield im all for it.

As for Mark Riccuito, hes a great chance at the Brownlow and lately has been amazing, has been playing like a true captain and I will be very dissapointed if he doesnt get Best and fairest.

Deestroy

24 Aug 2003, 22:37

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
Peter Vardy - has done nothing since.

Simply not true. Was 2nd in our goalkicking last year, and had a very good finals series.

This year was a right off due to injury.

The Floodbuster

24 Aug 2003, 23:23

Stiffy_18

24 Aug 2003, 23:50

Originally posted by The Floodbuster
Fantasia loves his W-WT boys. Yeah but this W-WT boy is a champion.;)

The Floodbuster

25 Aug 2003, 00:09

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah but this W-WT boy is a champion.;)

Charman is over-rated IMO, I doubt Mcleod will leave, he does this everytime he comes out of contract, I remember in 98 when it was up and he put an article in the Sunday Mail how he was interested in moving up to Qld before he re-signed.
He is just getting his value up, instead of doing it off the field he should be doing it on the field. Wanganeen is the prime example, at the start of the year his contract re-newal would of been looking at losing a 50k or more, now it is looking quite the opposite.

Stiffy_18

25 Aug 2003, 00:19

Originally posted by The Floodbuster
Charman is over-rated IMO, I doubt Mcleod will leave, he does this everytime he comes out of contract, I remember in 98 when it was up and he put an article in the Sunday Mail how he was interested in moving up to Qld before he re-signed.
He is just getting his value up, instead of doing it off the field he should be doing it on the field. Wanganeen is the prime example, at the start of the year his contract re-newal would of been looking at losing a 50k or more, now it is looking quite the opposite. I was talking about Pavlich as the W-WT champion.

Isn't Charman a QLD boy??????:confused:

The Floodbuster

25 Aug 2003, 00:31

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I was talking about Pavlich as the W-WT champion.

Isn't Charman a QLD boy??????:confused:

Sorry I always get Shattock and Charman mixed up.