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Well, what a load of crap. The following points:-
1. 10 points down at the last change and going with a 3-4 goal breeze - you would think you would have the desire to ensure that you outperformed the opposition but no, not the Crows. Our season is in the toilet thanks to the last three weeks.
2. Can someone please explain why you would have one of your best midfielders at half back? The thing that has been exposed for some time is how we are getting outplayed by the opposition coach. Mark Williams has outplayed Ayres for the last 7 showdowns. Shirley on Burgoyne - amazing more damage was not done.
3. Do we know how to run the ball once we get 70-80 metres out of goal. We seem to hit a brick wall at about this distance and stop running.
4. Dumb footballers - we have more than our fair share of this quota. Stenglein/Shirley/Perrie (why oh why do something silly in your forward line)
Sorry, I can accept what has happened in the last 3 weeks and anyone who does needs a good dose of reality.
PS : It will be interesting to see what sort of crowds they get next week given AAMI stadium members will have to shell out for two matches and I for one will never go to a Power game.
Originally posted by kirky
Sorry, I can accept what has happened in the last 3 weeks and anyone who does needs a good dose of reality.That says it all really.
Lay the **** off Shirley, he tried his heart out. Have a look at the ****ing matchups, anyone who couldn't see we needed basset on Burgoyne is plain old blind.
Originally posted by yob
Lay the **** off Shirley, he tried his heart out. Have a look at the ****ing matchups, anyone who couldn't see we needed basset on Burgoyne is plain old blind. No one is bagging Shirley. I think we all agree the match-up was complete crapolla.
Originally posted by yob
Lay the **** off Shirley, he tried his heart out. Have a look at the ****ing matchups, anyone who couldn't see we needed basset on Burgoyne is plain old blind.
I wasn't getting stuck into him (for christ sakes I'm a local Eagles supporter- still trying to come to terms how they didn't score at all in the second half yesterday). He can't choose the matchup however someone somewhere ballsed up.
What a fu*cked up weekend for yours truly.....
Sorry, I CAN"T accept what has happened in the last 3 weeks....
Kane McGoodwin
31 Aug 2003, 18:08
Thought Shirley did OK on JnrB considering it was a shocking matchup.
We were not good enough, yet again, plain & simple. :mad:
Originally posted by kirky
Well, what a load of crap. The following points:-
1. 10 points down at the last change and going with a 3-4 goal breeze - you would think you would have the desire to ensure that you outperformed the opposition but no, not the Crows. Our season is in the toilet thanks to the last three weeks.
2. Can someone please explain why you would have one of your best midfielders at half back? The thing that has been exposed for some time is how we are getting outplayed by the opposition coach. Mark Williams has outplayed Ayres for the last 7 showdowns. Shirley on Burgoyne - amazing more damage was not done.
3. Do we know how to run the ball once we get 70-80 metres out of goal. We seem to hit a brick wall at about this distance and stop running.
4. Dumb footballers - we have more than our fair share of this quota. Stenglein/Shirley/Perrie (why oh why do something silly in your forward line)
Sorry, I can accept what has happened in the last 3 weeks and anyone who does needs a good dose of reality.
PS : It will be interesting to see what sort of crowds they get next week given AAMI stadium members will have to shell out for two matches and I for one will never go to a Power game.
Agree with most of what you say though i thought you was a bit hard on Shirley who in my opinion did not disgrace himself & not sure about Burgoyne's stats but i did not think he done much more than take a couple of marks & kick 2 goals,
We are not as skillful as the paps & their 2nd tier players are close to what our 1st tier group would be if you take out the Roo, McLeod & a couple of others & as for Ayresy being outcoached by Williams well i think that Gary was a bit light on having the right cattle out on the ground & whether that's to do with selection or not i'm not sure,
But i can now understand why Kerley labeled 6 or 7 of our players as not having the footy smarts it was pretty bloody obvious today,
MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
31 Aug 2003, 18:29
the armchair critics are out again :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by kirky
I wasn't getting stuck into him (for christ sakes I'm a local Eagles supporter- still trying to come to terms how they didn't score at all in the second half yesterday). He can't choose the matchup however someone somewhere ballsed up.
What a fu*cked up weekend for yours truly.....
So you call him a dumb footballer but you're not getting stuck into him?
Kane, you hit the nail on the head. We're just not good enough. The result of today's game was clear, the only query was the margin. We fought hard and competed well, the effort was there, hence we got close. But we were never going to beat an elite side like the Power. And Kirky, you pointed out a few of the reasons why quite accurately.
I don't accept mediocrity but you have to accept your limitations.
topjars
31 Aug 2003, 19:24
"McLeod played on the half forward line not across halfback"
Thats pretty much what Ayres said in the press conference.
Well Im dumbfounded.:confused:
Its a strange place to run off when your'e playing at half forward
I guess Ill have to hand in my Coaches hat.
WHY wouldnt he start off the half forward line?
WHY wouldnt he be thrown into the middle even at the start of the third qtr?
I think McLeod had 7 possessions to half time?
Our handling of macca sucks:mad:
I have grave doubts over Ayres. He doesn't seem creative enough. There is no doubt there is not much wrong with the list.
Originally posted by yob
So you call him a dumb footballer but you're not getting stuck into him? If there's anything that makes Shirley a dumb footballer it's his tendancy to want to handball too often. Although he had a few friends in that regard.
Anyone remember this passage of play late in the second quarter?
Ball spills off the pack in Port's forward line, McLeod picks up...
He gives quick handpass to Torney...
Handpass to Shirley who runs forward into space...
Handpass forward to Stenglein...
Stenglein turns back facing the Port goals, handpasses back to the running Shirley...
Shirley takes the pass running out of the defensive fifty...
Shirley takes on the Dew the tackler and suceeds...
Handpass to Reilly who has nowhere to go, manages to shrug off Stevens' tackle and handpass to Stenglein...
Stenglein takes two steps forward, thinks about a kick, decides to handball instead but can't get it away because Dew is right on his tail...
Holding the ball!
At least half a dozen disposals and we move no more than about 30 metres. :mad: Talk about piss-farting around with it!
I think my cries at the time were something like, "Kick it. Kick it! KICK IT! KICK THE @#$%ING THING! OH @#$% IT!" :mad:
bluecrow
31 Aug 2003, 21:06
Originally posted by DaveW
Talk about piss-farting around with it!
I think my cries at the time were something like, "Kick it. Kick it! KICK IT! KICK THE @#$%ING THING! OH @#$% IT!" :mad:
My thoughts exactly! I think one major difference between some of our players and the players of top teams like Port, is that we handball to 'get rid of the ball' whilst others handball to advance down the ground.
Stiffy_18
31 Aug 2003, 21:26
God How bad was Stenglein today. He was so slow to get rid of the ball and got caught twice.
Am I the only one that thinks he hasn't had nowhere near as good a season as he did last year?????:confused:
macca23
31 Aug 2003, 22:19
Originally posted by DaveW
Anyone remember this passage of play late in the second quarter?
Ball spills off the pack in Port's forward line, McLeod picks up...
He gives quick handpass to Torney...
Handpass to Shirley who runs forward into space...
Handpass forward to Stenglein...
Stenglein turns back facing the Port goals, handpasses back to the running Shirley...
Shirley takes the pass running out of the defensive fifty...
Shirley takes on the Dew the tackler and suceeds...
Handpass to Reilly who has nowhere to go, manages to shrug off Stevens' tackle and handpass to Stenglein...
Stenglein takes two steps forward, thinks about a kick, decides to handball instead but can't get it away because Dew is right on his tail...
Holding the ball!
At least half a dozen disposals and we move no more than about 30 metres. :mad: Talk about piss-farting around with it!
I think my cries at the time were something like, "Kick it. Kick it! KICK IT! KICK THE @#$%ING THING! OH @#$% IT!" :mad:
Unbelievable, Exactly what I said!! ;)
As for remembering it, how could you forget it!!
Had to be the stupid play of the day.
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
God How bad was Stenglein today. He was so slow to get rid of the ball and got caught twice.
Am I the only one that thinks he hasn't had nowhere near as good a season as he did last year?????:confused: I agree. It's sometimes difficult to assess how well a tagger is performing. But offensively he just isn't getting as much of the ball this year.
However I thought today was one of his better games for a while.
Originally posted by macca23
Unbelievable, Exactly what I said!! ;) Were you shouting at the top of your lungs as well? ;)
dyertribe
31 Aug 2003, 22:26
Originally posted by kirky
Sorry, I can't accept what has happened in the last 3 weeks and anyone who does needs a good dose of reality.
My thoughts exactly - and anyone who does is an imbecile.
This is what I was saying in regards to accepting mediocrity/we are in danger of becoming Norwood.
We've pi$sed this season down the drain for no good reason... Dave will say "hey we're still alive... don't be so pessimistic" but if we do get past West Coast - which I'm certain we will - we'll book an away date versus Port, Sydney, Brisbane or Collingwood.
Yes we can perform a 97/98-esque miracle or four... but we shouldn't have to. We should've been looking forward to a tough qualifying final and a double chance... not an uphill climb against Lance Armstrong.
macca23
31 Aug 2003, 22:35
Originally posted by DaveW
Were you shouting at the top of your lungs as well? ;)
Yes!!
I think I may have actually disgraced myself today by setting a record for the number of times the F... word was used in a corporate box!! :o
Originally posted by macca23
I think I may have actually disgraced myself today by setting a record for the number of times the F... word was used in a corporate box!! :o Hehe.
I just hope for our sake you won't have to break your own record next weekend! :p
Stiffy_18
31 Aug 2003, 22:53
Originally posted by dyertribe
My thoughts exactly - and anyone who does is an imbecile.
This is what I was saying in regards to accepting mediocrity/we are in danger of becoming Norwood.
We've pi$sed this season down the drain for no good reason... Dave will say "hey we're still alive... don't be so pessimistic" but if we do get past West Coast - which I'm certain we will - we'll book an away date versus Port, Sydney, Brisbane or Collingwood.
Yes we can perform a 97/98-esque miracle or four... but we shouldn't have to. We should've been looking forward to a tough qualifying final and a double chance... not an uphill climb against Lance Armstrong.
I agree. Listening to the number of Crows supporters calling up the radio and saying how we have to flags and all that crap. WHO CARES?????? That was 5 f*cking years ago. We cannot live in the past. We have to look to the future and thing how can we get another one.
The most disappointing thing for me is that 3 weeks ago we were 2nd. All this year we have been the side that has never been blown out of the water and was playing some really good footy. In a space of 3 weeks we have f*cked up our entire year. How many of us said after the St.Kilda, Collingwood and Hawthorn games would come back to bite us on the backside. This is what really sh*ts me about this year. Its the fact that players started to believe all the media hype during pre-season and they underestimated their opposition as well as losing games when we should have had the opposition well and truely on toast by 3QTR time.
IMHO, this has been one wasted year. Last year without the likes of Carey, Burns and Perrie we managed to win 15 games relaying on the likes of Fitzgerald, Schell and Beinke to provide a contest. We really have screwed this year up and for the life of me I cannot see us making the prelim final.
And one other thing, we have gone to Carey concious. Plan A: Kick it to Carey, Plan B: Kick it to Carey, Plan C: check plan A and B.
When we got Carey all we could hear out of the AFC is that he would be just another player in our structure and he would not be the heart and soul of the forward line. What a load of crap. Its the trap that we have fallen into and becoming a one predictable unit that gets figured out very quickly and the coaching staff that is not imaginative enough to come up with plans B and C.:mad:
Originally posted by dyertribe
We've pi$sed this season down the drain for no good reason... Dave will say "hey we're still alive... don't be so pessimistic" but if we do get past West Coast - which I'm certain we will - we'll book an away date versus Port, Sydney, Brisbane or Collingwood.
I just think its too early for post mortems.
Yes, we've thrown away winnable games in recent weeks, we've done so all season.
But we're still in there with a shout. So I'm remaining hopeful.
BTW, Stiffy, I don't really agree that we're too Carey conscious. We've had plenty of forward line options this year.
Stiffy_18
31 Aug 2003, 23:09
Originally posted by DaveW
BTW, Stiffy, I don't really agree that we're too Carey conscious. We've had plenty of forward line options this year. We have options but 9 times out of 10 we will go to Carey. Its too bloody predictable.:mad:
I say 90% of our attack today was directed at Carey. We just kick it to him even if he is not in the best position to get it and this P I S S E S Me O F F big time.:mad:
macca23
31 Aug 2003, 23:14
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
We have options but 9 times out of 10 we will go to Carey. Its too bloody predictable.:mad:
I say 90% of our attack today was directed at Carey. We just kick it to him even if he is not in the best position to get it and this P I S S E S Me O F F big time.:mad:
Think about that Stiffy.
What you're really doing is not condemning those kicking the ball or Carey, because he gives a hell of a contest.
Where are the crumbers front and square feeding off of that?? It should be a crumbers paradise.
dyertribe
31 Aug 2003, 23:41
Originally posted by DaveW
I just think its too early for post mortems.
Fair enough Doctor... but on the Glasgow Coma Scale the patient in question registers a:
"fooks seek man! hae looks haff deed!"
I think we need to be ruthlessly honest & more realistic about the ability of some of our players especially the so called senior players to show leadership, & take the initiative to win the game.
At 3/4 time that game was ours to win, providing Clarke & the midfield quickly got the ball into our forward 50 & cut the margin to one kick.The last thing that should have happened was to allow Port to score.
Needless to say Clarke was beaten at the first centre bounce & next 5 ruck contests around the ground by Lade. We then lost each subsequent centre clearence resulting in Port getting 4 goals
I'm critical of Clarke because his intensity did not rise to meet the occasion.You can't imagine Rehn allowing that to happen given his collosal competiteveness.
I'm loathe to criticise Mcleod but his performance today was simply his worst for the year, & you can't blame coaches for that .He allowed Cornes to play too close to him without any effort to move him off him.If you want a case in point, Carr played as a tagger but still managed to collect something like 24 possessions.McLeod simply was either too lazy , too tired or didn't feel like imposing himself in the contest as required of a leader.I ask the question do you think Voss Buckley Cousins or Crawford would allow themselves to be dominated meekly like that?? Hardly!
Last year Peter Schwab was asked about an incipient performance put in by Shane Crawford in a game .Schwab's comment was........"He's a champion; you judge the performance accordingly". In other words the more abilty you have the more is expected, especially if that player is experienced & a "so called leader".
McLeod's newspapers articles are about as worthy as some of his performances he's put in lately!
The other senior players who failed to deliver in my opinion were Bickley, Torney,Stenglein, Welsh, Burns, & we'd all by lying if we thought Perrie's & Ladhams efforts were half decent.
It's more a monumental failure of will & endeavour that's cost us. We never wanted it enough & didn't have enough leadership to take charge & responsibilty for the outcome when the initiative needed to be grabbed.
Unfortunately It's been the same in every game we've lost. A failure of on ground leadership by experienced players failing to respond when situations threatened to get out of control.!
Stiffy_18
1 Sep 2003, 00:43
Originally posted by macca23
Think about that Stiffy.
What you're really doing is not condemning those kicking the ball or Carey, because he gives a hell of a contest.
Where are the crumbers front and square feeding off of that?? It should be a crumbers paradise. I am not knocking Carey for presenting far from it. In fact I am pleased that he is working his backside off to create a target. Its when you have other better options in certain situations that we should go to but we go to Carey even if he has 2 players on him. Thats something I cannot understand.
We are too Carey concious. By all means make him your CHF and try and direct your traffic through him but give him half a chance to beat his opponent. There is no use of bombing it high to him awhen he is surrounded by 2 or 3 players. Once the opposition has Carey under control we look lost and don't know what to do. For heaven's sake mix it up a bit.
If we are to get the premiership any time soon we need to be more flexible, less predictable and better skilled. I reckon we are just about the worst team at delivering the ball to our forwards. We kick it long and high. How many times did we do that today?????? Port's delivery to Tredrea is most often in front of himso he can either take an easy chest mark or take it with extended hands so there is very little chance of getting spoiled.
Tredrea is a great player with best pair of hands in the AFL. You put him in our side and he won't take as many marks. Not because he is not good enough, its because the delivery of the ball is shit.
Goals for Pre-Season:
*Improve skills especially foot skills.
*Come up with a few changes to our playing style so its capable of standing up to the teams of Port's ilk and style.
*Start developing a few youngsters and ude those damn draft picks wisely.
*Trade smartly not for another spare parts player
Mudholian
1 Sep 2003, 08:40
Originally posted by dyertribe
but if we do get past West Coast - which I'm certain we will - we'll book an away date versus Port, Sydney, Brisbane or Collingwood.
Hang on, you blew any chance of having your "away" game at home. You will play Collingwood or Brisbane.
Stiffy_18
1 Sep 2003, 12:38
Originally posted by Mudholian
Hang on, you blew any chance of having your "away" game at home. You will play Collingwood or Brisbane. I think if we manage to beat Collingwood or Brisbane then will face Port at home in the prelim assuming that you beat Sydney which shouldn't be a problem.
maccas_no1
1 Sep 2003, 13:32
All I know is it is going to be a tough ask for us to win the flag, especially they way we are playing at the moment, maybe a 'good' win against the Eagles this w/e will change things,we had Port by the balls at half time yesterday and we should have gone on with it we had a fantastic second quarter, but we let them back in, in the third but we werent out of it, in the end we just gave it up...................pretty soft and pathetic if you ask me.
We dont seem to have any real direction or game plan except play down the wings and just 'bomb' it somewhere in our forwardline and 'hope' someone marks it, to much handballing that is just bull**** football and is not professional at all we had 127 handballs yesterday compared to the Powders 96 just overpossesion and yes that incident yesterday where Shirley got done holding the ball was just plain stupidty:rolleyes:
Fix it and fix it ****ing quick
The Floodbuster
1 Sep 2003, 14:03
Don't get so down guys, you will probably destroy an injury plagued West Coast at Footy Park on sat and then most probably get the chance to play Collingwood at the G, a game that is more than winnable once you get on song. It is too hard of a task to beat Port on their home ground and if you guys can pluck a few overdue wins you might get to play Port on the MCG, you will have more chance of beating Port away from their home ground.
A loss to West Coast and Ayres could be history so even a loss this week could draw some positives.
Stiffy_18
1 Sep 2003, 14:13
Originally posted by The Floodbuster
and if you guys can pluck a few overdue wins you might get to play Port on the MCG, you will have more chance of beating Port away from their home ground. No chance there. I think if we are good enough to beat WC and then Brisbane or Collingwood, we would meet you in the Preliminary final at Football Park and get 60% of the tickets. Even if we do get that far I still cannot see us getting any further than Preliminary final.
dyertribe
1 Sep 2003, 14:25
Originally posted by Mudholian
Hang on, you blew any chance of having your "away" game at home. You will play Collingwood or Brisbane.
Hang on, I didn't know what our path was.