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captainMyCaptain
8 May 2011, 07:15
Deledio's management confirmed an approach by the AFL's 18th team, but refused to reveal details.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-desperate-to-retain-star-midfielder/story-e6frf9jf-1226051760035
I thought he signed on until the end of 2013?
captainMyCaptain
8 May 2011, 11:48
I thought he signed on until the end of 2013?
My understanding is his signed until the end of next year so he would be someone gws would be looking at getting in for their 2nd season, as unlike the suns gws has 2 years to get uncontracted players.
lionshine
8 May 2011, 17:18
They might be looking to trade for him as well? That could be another option and I said on the main board that the Giants should look at trading for him!
captainMyCaptain
8 May 2011, 17:54
They might be looking to trade for him as well? That could be another option and I said on the main board that the Giants should look at trading for him!
Maybe - who knows maybe there even looking at him as the first gws captain
GiantForce
8 May 2011, 23:06
Maybe - who knows maybe there even looking at him as the first gws captain
We're boned if he's the best we can get.......
captainMyCaptain
9 May 2011, 06:44
A tad harsh there.
Not really, he isn't the sort of Ablett type player GWS need to be the face of the club and to draw crowds.
captainMyCaptain
9 May 2011, 09:06
Not really, he isn't the sort of Ablett type player GWS need to be the face of the club and to draw crowds.
I think you need to keep in mind he is only 23 and his best footy is ahead of him and that being at the tigers he is use to playing a leading role with young players around him. But realistically I see Deledio as more of a good solid vc. But that said I dont think the captain has to necessary be the face of the club or player who draws the crowds. As idealy a recruit like Buddy Franklin would be perfect as someone to be the face of the club and as a player to draw the crowds. That said I dont see buddy coming to gws but really he would be ideal for that role even thru I would not see him as being captain.
Tigerland
9 May 2011, 10:34
Deledio won't be going anywhere. He's happy at the Club and
wants to taste success now that we're on the verge of it.
We'd never trade him and if he was looking at joining a startup Club do you think he would have signed a contract that went beyong both new clubs 1st year.
Your targets should come from clubs that have recently won a flag.
Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn.
There could also be players from Port and Adelaide that may want out.
GiantForce
9 May 2011, 16:16
A tad harsh there.
Not at all. If he is our big signing we would be a laughing stock....there are much much better players around. I would be stocked if we got him....but he just isn't in the same class as Murphy, Bartel, JSelwood, etc.
thecotch
9 May 2011, 16:56
Not at all. If he is our big signing we would be a laughing stock....there are much much better players around. I would be stocked if we got him....but he just isn't in the same class as Murphy, Bartel, JSelwood, etc.
You're going to be a laughing stock no matter who you get for a year or two. Your market will be a hell of a lot tought than the GC.
GordonGecko
9 May 2011, 17:39
Sheedy is smarter than this.
Deledio is a complimentary player. He's not as interested in getting hands dirty and doing the inside work as he is receiving cheap ball and delivering in space.
Not going to have that sort of room or quality on the inside to compliment his game.
I think you need to keep in mind he is only 23 and his best footy is ahead of him and that being at the tigers he is use to playing a leading role with young players around him. But realistically I see Deledio as more of a good solid vc. But that said I dont think the captain has to necessary be the face of the club or player who draws the crowds. As idealy a recruit like Buddy Franklin would be perfect as someone to be the face of the club and as a player to draw the crowds. That said I dont see buddy coming to gws but really he would be ideal for that role even thru I would not see him as being captain.
Yeah, I doubt Buddy would leave the Hawks though.
GWS should really be targeting Shane Savage from Hawthorn, kicked 2 goals in the 10 or so minutes he was on after being subbed on Friday night and is going to be a freak.
Chad Sexington
9 May 2011, 20:36
Yeah, I doubt Buddy would leave the Hawks though.
GWS should really be targeting Shane Savage from Hawthorn, kicked 2 goals in the 10 or so minutes he was on after being subbed on Friday night and is going to be a freak.
Dude, this guy has the coolest name, let's get him:thumbsu:. Can you Imagine the back page head lines in the Daily T, got to happen
Gee Dubya
10 May 2011, 17:00
Sheedy is smarter than this.
Deledio is a complimentary player. He's not as interested in getting hands dirty and doing the inside work as he is receiving cheap ball and delivering in space.
Not going to have that sort of room or quality on the inside to compliment his game.
Sheedy is smarter than you.
Deledio can play inside and dominate if required. One of the many strings to his bow. Has a very complete skill set.
There will be no prizing him away from RFC now though.
Kapital city TIGER
11 May 2011, 08:26
They might be looking to trade for him as well? That could be another option and I said on the main board that the Giants should look at trading for him!
Tigers would SPEW to lose Lids.
Curtly and a couple of top 10 picks would be better than a box of tissues tho.
dalethomas13
11 May 2011, 17:35
Deledio won't be going anywhere. He's happy at the Club and
wants to taste success now that we're on the verge of it.
We'd never trade him and if he was looking at joining a startup Club do you think he would have signed a contract that went beyong both new clubs 1st year.
Your targets should come from clubs that have recently won a flag.
Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn.
There could also be players from Port and Adelaide that may want out.
This post falls down on so many levels.
Richmond is on the verge of success? They are not on the verge of anything yet. A couple of wins does not mean shit, irrespective of how impressive they have been. Using your theory, 13-14 other clubs think they are on the "verge of success" based on some "good signs". Lets wait until Richmond make a finals series and earn some credibility and respect before we start claiming dibs on success.
Secondly, why would GWS target players that have recently won a flag? These are the players that are HARDER to move because they are already at the beginning or in the middle of successful periods. Not "on the verge" lol. It would be like suggesting Scott Pendlebury or Dale Thomas who are younger than Brett Deledio and have tasted the ultimate success will want to leave something as rare as that all behind to start from scratch yet for someone like Deledio who doesn't know what a finals series looks like will want to stay and try to be a part of one when there is no guarantee Richmond is on the verge of anything. 2 finals series' in 30yrs highlights that there is no guarantee or "verge of" anything.
If GWS were smart, they'd target the clubs that have shortcomings at the moment i.e. Port, Brisbane, perhaps the WB, StK etc because by the time they are ready to launch a challenge teams such as Collingwood, Geelong etc will be dropping off under the AFL's cyclical system.
Given they can only take one player per club, I don't think it's stretching the budget to target multiple players from multiple clubs...
KeilorUnder9s
11 May 2011, 18:19
Brett will have his contract extended beyond GWS's two years of poaching before the half way mark of the season. I reckon you guys should go after Troy Taylor a mid first round pick should get it done :D:thumbsu:
Silly boy. Obviously you're trolling :P, but the new clubs don't pick up contracted players. That's just crazy talk! They take what they want and burn the rest.
crimson
14 May 2011, 12:29
will minson to GWS. out of favour at the doggies most of the time. might not cost a lot.
GiantForce
14 May 2011, 17:07
We need to recruit an expirenced ruckman. I feel Minson would be a good pickup...while not a fantastic ruckWhile not great players we need some expirence in the ruck and he has 100+ games. GC have some very good rucks in Fraser/Smith/Gorringe. I feel we should take the same setup Expirenced Ruck/Ruck in Early 20s (eg Gilles)/Talented Youth.
Plus I think we can easily lure any ruckman sturggling to get games at other clubs to the Giants
westie88
15 May 2011, 15:58
Is Dale Thomas still out of contract? he is the kind of player who could go to the next level with GWS, I would love to see him here. or perhaps Daniel Rich.
MushroomRocket
15 May 2011, 16:16
Saints have taken a massive beating, wont be surprised if gilbert/goddard/dal santo left the sinking ship.
i say go for goddard, looked totally indifferent and disheartened :thumbsu:
GiantForce
15 May 2011, 16:28
Wouldn't be suprised if we signed Goddard for some star from the Saints up already tbh. Would be stoked if we got Goddard.
Is Dale Thomas still out of contract? he is the kind of player who could go to the next level with GWS, I would love to see him here. or perhaps Daniel Rich.
Thomas and Pendlebury are both out of contract at the end of the year.
Gee Dubya
16 May 2011, 23:01
GC have some very good rucks in Fraser/Smith/Gorringe.
What? Fraser? Good? Rather a wet loaf of bread. :thumbsd:
GiantForce
17 May 2011, 19:00
What? Fraser? Good? Rather a wet loaf of bread. :thumbsd:
He is expirenced and knows what he is doing....can't into a season with all rookie rucks......that is just stupid
Gee Dubya
18 May 2011, 11:48
Yeah I get your point, Fraser is just a terrible example because he is a terrible footballer.
While not great by any means, Mark Blake may fit the bill and would come cheap.
Clearly the Cats no longer want him.
captainMyCaptain
18 May 2011, 21:34
While not great by any means, Mark Blake may fit the bill and would come cheap.
Clearly the Cats no longer want him.
Could be a good fit
captainMyCaptain
19 May 2011, 11:08
Wouldn't be suprised if we signed Goddard for some star from the Saints up already tbh. Would be stoked if we got Goddard.
If we got Goddard that would be fantastic, but would rather we traded for him and had him for our first captain rather then pick him up as an uncontracted player for our 2nd year.
We need to recruit an expirenced ruckman. I feel Minson would be a good pickup...while not a fantastic ruckWhile not great players we need some expirence in the ruck and he has 100+ games. GC have some very good rucks in Fraser/Smith/Gorringe. I feel we should take the same setup Expirenced Ruck/Ruck in Early 20s (eg Gilles)/Talented Youth.
Plus I think we can easily lure any ruckman sturggling to get games at other clubs to the Giants
Will is actually a very good tap ruckman. He just lacks awareness around the ground. He can also go forward and take strong pack marks.
I would hope we hold onto him though.
As someone mentioned, Mark Blake would also be an option. He is also a good tap ruckman, but just really bad at everything else.
Also, if you guys take Easton Wood or Callan Ward, there is going to be some very unhappy people down at Whitten Oval. Keep away :mad:
hawkster101
23 Jun 2011, 11:14
Yeah, I doubt Buddy would leave the Hawks though.
GWS should really be targeting Shane Savage from Hawthorn, kicked 2 goals in the 10 or so minutes he was on after being subbed on Friday night and is going to be a freak.
:eek:why would you give them a head start! I don't want this kid to leave our club :( after the weekends game 33 disposals 30 hit the target, 4 goals and this is after multiple shoulder recos the kids a freak and a top quality bloke heres hoping his got the same commitment to hawthorn as he does with his missus been together since they were 13 insane
Rumblah#16
12 Jul 2011, 13:04
:eek:why would you give them a head start! I don't want this kid to leave our club :( after the weekends game 33 disposals 30 hit the target, 4 goals and this is after multiple shoulder recos the kids a freak and a top quality bloke heres hoping his got the same commitment to hawthorn as he does with his missus been together since they were 13 insane
We'll give them Jarryd Morton and Clinton Young instead.
Dollars Inc
13 Jul 2011, 02:01
Far far from gospel but there are common names being thrown around many of these threads...
Goddard, Kosi, Blake, Ward, Ladson, Sewell, Savage, Renouf, Wood, Thomas, Pendlebury, Scully, Clark, Palmer, Walker....
In that group alone you have crowd drawing power, marketability and leadership. Obviously all will not, indeed none may but will be interesting to see how Sheeds does this. McKenna built a shaky defence and gun midfield. No forward line.
Sheeds will build a spine I think. Even in that group though, there are no big strong defenders. Those are what the Giants will trade for I believe
We've been linked to Carlile a number of times, so that'd tick the KPD box.
GiantForce
13 Jul 2011, 10:45
Far far from gospel but there are common names being thrown around many of these threads...
Goddard, Kosi, Blake, Ward, Ladson, Sewell, Savage, Renouf, Wood, Thomas, Pendlebury, Scully, Clark, Palmer, Walker....
In that group alone you have crowd drawing power, marketability and leadership. Obviously all will not, indeed none may but will be interesting to see how Sheeds does this. McKenna built a shaky defence and gun midfield. No forward line.
Sheeds will build a spine I think. Even in that group though, there are no big strong defenders. Those are what the Giants will trade for I believe
We've got a gun midfield (Shiel, Treloar, Scully, Coniglio, Wingard, Palmer, Ward. All would have gone Top 5 apart from Palmer/Ward. They were 7/19. Plus not to mention the stars guys on our list like Carey, Miles, etc).
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We've got plenty of tall forwards too (Folau, Walker, Cameron, Bruce, Flagg, Phillips, Patton + Clark if he signs and possibley Longer if we draft him. Gilles can play forwards too). I'm sure will pick up a small forward via the draftm, to play a small pocket role. Assuming we sign Clark. Gilles/Clark will play as our ruckman. When one isn't rucking the other is in the forward line.
HF: Midfielder (Wingard), Walker, Patton
F: Small Forward, Folau, Giles/Clark
R: Giles/Clark
I/C: Cameron
They'll probaley start Patton off abit like Watts IMO. But thats how our forwards might possible look like in 2012. Much better than GC's this year IMO.
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We need defenders big time. Apart from Alipate Carlile has their been a single defender linked to us? We need 3 good solid guys atleast! Carlile probaley will be one of them. But will still need more!
We've got a gun midfield (Shiel, Treloar, Scully, Coniglio, Wingard, Palmer, Ward. All would have gone Top 5 apart from Palmer/Ward. They were 7/19. Plus not to mention the stars guys on our list like Carey, Miles, etc).
Thats IF these guys will go to the GWS and it's a big IF
GiantForce
13 Jul 2011, 14:21
Thats IF these guys will go to the GWS and it's a big IF
Palmer's already signed. I Scully won't turn down that big an offer. Not sure about Ward tho.
Rumblah#16
15 Jul 2011, 12:12
No way will you guys get Shane Savage, just sayin'.
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 14:04
We've been linked to Carlile a number of times, so that'd tick the KPD box.
Don't know about that, Carlile has always said that GWS has never contacted him, and whenever asked Mark Williams has always said GWS has no interest in him.
Chad Sexington
15 Jul 2011, 21:27
Chad chornes could be on the way, good oil, 1 yr deal. get him.
soreplums
16 Jul 2011, 23:12
Thomas and Pendlebury are both out of contract at the end of the year.
Both will stay at the Pies. Thomas about to sign a 3 year deal. Pendlebury will sign on at Collingwood for another 2 years at the end of 2012.
It will never happen (and I hope it doesn't)- But for would GWS feel about H. Shaw for O'Meara?
You're not the only one that hopes it doesn't happen. He's at the top end of the age bracket GWS is interested in, but between the Didak incident and now this he obviously doesn't have the best judgement. The last thing GWS needs is scandal and Shaw seems to have more than his fair share.
Lids to GWS will happen apparently, Tigers very keen O'Meara, GWS will only accept, Lids, Cotch, Jack or Martin.
Tigers will only budge on Lids as he is older and restricted free agent next year. Only sticking point now is tigers want another pick from GWS in top 10. GWS want to give us a lower pick
GWS trying to pull RFCs pants down with Deledio on that one. You'd want a 2nd 17yo pick or a top 10 pick to compliment it to make it just a breakeven. Deledio is a dual best and fairest with 8 to 10 years left in him. On the surface its a very poor deal for Richmond IMHO.
ausbacker
17 Jul 2011, 17:18
GWS trying to pull RFCs pants down with Deledio on that one. You'd want a 2nd 17yo pick or a top 10 pick to compliment it to make it just a breakeven. Deledio is a dual best and fairest with 8 to 10 years left in him. On the surface its a very poor deal for Richmond IMHO.
He's also not worth 2 top 10 draft picks. A little perspective here please.
captainMyCaptain
17 Jul 2011, 18:55
Lids to GWS will happen apparently, Tigers very keen O'Meara, GWS will only accept, Lids, Cotch, Jack or Martin.
Tigers will only budge on Lids as he is older and restricted free agent next year. Only sticking point now is tigers want another pick from GWS in top 10. GWS want to give us a lower pick
I would see the deal being more like GWS gets Deledio, and the Tigers get the pick to get O'meara in the mini draft and as a sweetener also get our pick 27 which is the first pick of the 2nd round. But wouldn't be surprised if GWS upped pick 27 to pick 15 to get the deal done.
GiantForce
17 Jul 2011, 19:10
I would see the deal being more like GWS gets Deledio, and the Tigers get the pick to get O'meara in the mini draft and as a sweetener also get our pick 27 which is the first pick of the 2nd round. But wouldn't be surprised if GWS upped pick 27 to pick 15 to get the deal done.
mmmmm. Very very good deal for the Tigers....it may look a little more like this tho.
Giants Gain:
Deledio
Tigers 3rd Round Draft Pick
Tigers Gain:
O'Meara
Pick #15
GordonGecko
17 Jul 2011, 19:14
Why would GWS want a complimentary player?
Gee Dubya
18 Jul 2011, 13:56
I'd be absolutley staggered if RFC offered up Deledio.
A Richmond poster mentioned that Deledio is a restricted fee agent next year. If this is the case and i assume from this is that he is out of contract next year, then why would GWS offer anything for him if they could take him for nothing next year?
tigs2010
18 Jul 2011, 21:49
A Richmond poster mentioned that Deledio is a restricted fee agent next year. If this is the case and i assume from this is that he is out of contract next year, then why would GWS offer anything for him if they could take him for nothing next year?
From memory he qualifies as a restricted free agent end of 2012 but contracted till end of 2013. So would have to trade or wait for 2 years.
Both will stay at the Pies. Thomas about to sign a 3 year deal. Pendlebury will sign on at Collingwood for another 2 years at the end of 2012.
It will never happen (and I hope it doesn't)- But for would GWS feel about H. Shaw for O'Meara?
I've been thinking lately that Didak could be useful trade-bait. His loss wouldn't hurt Collingwood that much and could be used to grab quality youth that could extend your premiership window.
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 09:25
He's also not worth 2 top 10 draft picks. A little perspective here please.
Lids is worth two top 10 draft picks and more.
GWS would have to give O'meara plus a top 10 draft pick minimum.
If 2011 was a superdraft you have a case but it isnt. Anything outside top 8 is really worth nothing.
This is why. GWS have no markee player for promotion. Even Folau is more to do with background than AFL prowess. Scully will not excite the crowds like lids. He doesn't have the wow factor.
With Lids you have a player who can play back, middle or forward which suits GWS in terms of meeting its performance goals and he gives them flexibility. He kicks well , good mark elite speed , breaks the lines kicks the long goals and has the profile to attract the public particularly the purists to follow the game. In a nutshell lids is the class play , the player people come to watch.. On top of that he is durable, less likely to lose value from injury and more likely to hold value in 5 years time for example if wanting to go back to Melbourne at 29. Basically , Lids is the best player for GWS really and they know it. Omeara, is not Lids, detractors have already picked up weakness, he doesn't have the height and does he have marking prowess. O'mera is not a Judd or Hodge let alone a Gibbs. Best Tigers could hope for is someone like Murphy if we are lucky from O'meara but he is high risk O'meara. He is not a lock under any circumstances and will never be the tactical threat Lids presents for opposing teams even if it is to shut down Goddard. I am not sure O'meara would be the first pick in the mini draft either.
So i is interesting someone has said Lids for O'meara plus pick 5 or 7 etc... which is what I was thinking possibly as well.
Remember Lids is the safest play GWS can make, safer than a Thomas for example. Lids has the attributes that stand the test of time. GWS will not get O'meara anyway so it is not as though they are losing him , but they could lose the perceived value of the mini draft picks if they leave it to next year and the 16 year olds dissappoint at 17 or do not develop as anticipated
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 09:32
A Richmond poster mentioned that Deledio is a restricted fee agent next year. If this is the case and i assume from this is that he is out of contract next year, then why would GWS offer anything for him if they could take him for nothing next year?
Because GWS need credibility in the Sydney market instantaneuously. They must have players of quality like G Williams to entice the Sydneysiders to take them seriously. GWS need to be genuine and it is not just about the kids. They need to be reasonably competitive even more so than GC who rely on AFL expats from everywhere!! They need to sure they have the basis of a core group of quality to promote the idea going forward they can provide long term success. After the superleague fiasco GWS must be able to offer something of substance and not just a youthful vision because they are not preaching to the converted!!
Lids is worth two top 10 draft picks and more.
GWS would have to give O'meara plus a top 10 draft pick minimum.
If 2011 was a superdraft you have a case but it isnt. Anything outside top 8 is really worth nothing.
This is why. GWS have no markee player for promotion. Even Folau is more to do with background than AFL prowess. Scully will not excite the crowds like lids. He doesn't have the wow factor.
With Lids you have a player who can play back, middle or forward which suits GWS in terms of meeting its performance goals and he gives them flexibility. He kicks well , good mark elite speed , breaks the lines kicks the long goals and has the profile to attract the public particularly the purists to follow the game. In a nutshell lids is the class play , the player people come to watch.. On top of that he is durable, less likely to lose value from injury and more likely to hold value in 5 years time for example if wanting to go back to Melbourne at 29. Basically , Lids is the best player for GWS really and they know it. Omeara, is not Lids, detractors have already picked up weakness, he doesn't have the height and does he have marking prowess. O'mera is not a Judd or Hodge let alone a Gibbs. Best Tigers could hope for is someone like Murphy if we are lucky from O'meara but he is high risk O'meara. He is not a lock under any circumstances and will never be the tactical threat Lids presents for opposing teams even if it is to shut down Goddard. I am not sure O'meara would be the first pick in the mini draft either.
So i is interesting someone has said Lids for O'meara plus pick 5 or 7 etc... which is what I was thinking possibly as well.
Remember Lids is the safest play GWS can make, safer than a Thomas for example. Lids has the attributes that stand the test of time. GWS will not get O'meara anyway so it is not as though they are losing him , but they could lose the perceived value of the mini draft picks if they leave it to next year and the 16 year olds dissappoint at 17 or do not develop as anticipated
You are kidding if you think we would give up pick 5 or 7 for deledio, if that's the deal then it won't and shouldn't get done. This club is about setting itself up for many years to come and with all due respect to deledio he will not bring 1 more person through our gates, so if we are to give up pick 5 or 7 it would only be for a real crowd puller.
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 19:12
You are kidding if you think we would give up pick 5 or 7 for deledio, if that's the deal then it won't and shouldn't get done. This club is about setting itself up for many years to come and with all due respect to deledio he will not bring 1 more person through our gates, so if we are to give up pick 5 or 7 it would only be for a real crowd puller.
Thats the value my friend. I am happy to keep Lids at RFC if you cannot meet it. BTW pick 5 plus O'meara
By the way , unless you get a Lids /Goddard type you will lack the underbelly to create the belief amongst the group of eventual success.
GC have two top shelf players, Ablett and Smith, who have GWS got??? Scully is not in the same league as these either
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 19:15
You are kidding if you think we would give up pick 5 or 7 for deledio, if that's the deal then it won't and shouldn't get done. This club is about setting itself up for many years to come and with all due respect to deledio he will not bring 1 more person through our gates, so if we are to give up pick 5 or 7 it would only be for a real crowd puller.
BTW who are your crowd pullers??? Colligwood have good players but no crowd pullers. Thomas is not a crowd puller by himself, nor is Pendulbury!
Swan s have A Goodes, GWS have no one ATM!!
Gee Dubya
19 Jul 2011, 19:19
I go to the footy to watch Thomas. He's a freak. Little bit of black magic from Krak & Neon. Better than an afternoon watching Harry Potter or North Melbourne.
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 19:25
I go to the footy to watch Thomas. He's a freak. Little bit of black magic from Krak & Neon. Better than an afternoon watching Harry Potter or North Melbourne.
Each to their own, I wouldn't.I watch Franklin, Judds etc.. I watch THOMAS as part of the game on TV but you wouln't get me to a match at the ground just to see him!! How long will Thomas keep it going??, that is the other big question!!
ausbacker
19 Jul 2011, 19:27
Lids is worth two top 10 draft picks and more.
GWS would have to give O'meara plus a top 10 draft pick minimum.
If 2011 was a superdraft you have a case but it isnt. Anything outside top 8 is really worth nothing.
This is why. GWS have no markee player for promotion. Even Folau is more to do with background than AFL prowess. Scully will not excite the crowds like lids. He doesn't have the wow factor.
With Lids you have a player who can play back, middle or forward which suits GWS in terms of meeting its performance goals and he gives them flexibility. He kicks well , good mark elite speed , breaks the lines kicks the long goals and has the profile to attract the public particularly the purists to follow the game. In a nutshell lids is the class play , the player people come to watch.. On top of that he is durable, less likely to lose value from injury and more likely to hold value in 5 years time for example if wanting to go back to Melbourne at 29. Basically , Lids is the best player for GWS really and they know it. Omeara, is not Lids, detractors have already picked up weakness, he doesn't have the height and does he have marking prowess. O'mera is not a Judd or Hodge let alone a Gibbs. Best Tigers could hope for is someone like Murphy if we are lucky from O'meara but he is high risk O'meara. He is not a lock under any circumstances and will never be the tactical threat Lids presents for opposing teams even if it is to shut down Goddard. I am not sure O'meara would be the first pick in the mini draft either.
So i is interesting someone has said Lids for O'meara plus pick 5 or 7 etc... which is what I was thinking possibly as well.
Remember Lids is the safest play GWS can make, safer than a Thomas for example. Lids has the attributes that stand the test of time. GWS will not get O'meara anyway so it is not as though they are losing him , but they could lose the perceived value of the mini draft picks if they leave it to next year and the 16 year olds dissappoint at 17 or do not develop as anticipated
Deledio is not worth two top ten draft picks. Stop kidding yourself.
It amazes me the ridiculous attitudes of supporters from established clubs when a new club enters the competition. Supporters are either stuck in 1 of 2 phases; ridiculous overrating of their players or dispassionate underrating of their own players.
Deledio's worth a first and a second rounder at best. His best is magnificent but the problem is he doesn't dominate for long enough periods. He should be a marquee player but he isn't.
Pulling off fantasy football trades doesn't exist in the non virtual world unless your name is Bill Belichick or Andy Reid.
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 19:32
Deledio is not worth two top ten draft picks. Stop kidding yourself.
It amazes me the ridiculous attitudes of supporters from established clubs when a new club enters the competition. Supporters are either stuck in 1 of 2 phases; ridiculous overrating of their players or dispassionate underrating of their own players.
Deledio's worth a first and a second rounder at best. His best is magnificent but the problem is he doesn't dominate for long enough periods. He should be a marquee player but he isn't.
Pulling off fantasy football trades doesn't exist in the non virtual world unless your name is Bill Belichick or Andy Reid.
It is not about me kidding myself, it is about Lids clearly staying off the market if that is the attitude so the point is mute!!
Pay overs for Thomas or whoever it is not RFC's problem. BTW you can keep you NN's too!!
Pulling off fantasy football trades doesn't exist in the non virtual world unless your name is Bill Belichick or Andy Reid.
Made me laugh. :D
ausbacker
19 Jul 2011, 21:59
It is not about me kidding myself, it is about Lids clearly staying off the market if that is the attitude so the point is mute!!
Pay overs for Thomas or whoever it is not RFC's problem. BTW you can keep you NN's too!!
Did you even bother to see the compensation picks (http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/afls-compensation-for-geelong/20100929-15x7e.html) that were awarded to Geelong for the best player in the game or observe the Chris Judd trade in 2007?
Talk about setting a market unless you feel Deledio is worth more than the both of them.
Mr Magic
19 Jul 2011, 22:22
Did you even bother to see the compensation picks (http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/afls-compensation-for-geelong/20100929-15x7e.html) that were awarded to Geelong for the best player in the game or observe the Chris Judd trade in 2007?
Talk about setting a market unless you feel Deledio is worth more than the both of them.
???Lids is not out of contract. This is about the 17 year olds not getting an uncontracted player I believe under the AFL repression!! I didn't say Geelong were not raped!
Judd wanted to leave and he was traded . Kennedy is worth O'meara plus a draft pick , so Judd would get way more than two top 10 draft picks in this draft
ausbacker
19 Jul 2011, 22:50
???Lids is not out of contract. This is about the 17 year olds not getting an uncontracted player I believe under the AFL repression!! I didn't say Geelong were not raped!
Judd wanted to leave and he was traded . Kennedy is worth O'meara plus a draft pick , so Judd would get way more than two top 10 draft picks in this draft
Player contracts generally go until October 31st. AFL Trade Week is normally early to mid October. Players are always under contract at trade week. It's a misrepresentation to believe otherwise.
The status of Deledio's contract has nothing to do with his worth on the market. He's not worth two top 10 picks and frankly if the GWS is stupid enough to build around him (which is an unwise proposition) and offer two top 10 picks then Richmond has committed daylight robbery.
You're gibbering so I'm not going to bother responding to you past this post.
Gee Dubya
19 Jul 2011, 22:55
Each to their own, I wouldn't.
If you don't think Thomas is a drawcard you're a deadset moron.
Mr Magic
20 Jul 2011, 06:40
If you don't think Thomas is a drawcard you're a deadset moron.
My point is this:
Say GWS get Scully and Thomas, their youngsters and Folau. Are they guaranteed for long term success. I say no as it has too much W Capper about it.
The pedigree of a Goddard for example isn't there so premiership is not guaranteed and GC are way in front. In this sense a supporter looking to support a club destined for long term success is hardly going to get on the GWS bandwagon!!!
If you think Thomas and Scully are black caviar be my guest, go knock yourselves out!!!
I just hope the GWS recruiters work on buying an experienced spine... We nearly acheived that at the Suns this year, apart from our forward line... we recruited one too many experienced backman, and left our forward line lacking... and with that one experienced forward I believe we could have won possibly another 2-3 games, and had fewer 10+ goal losses, meaning less frustration as a Suns supporter in their first season... balance is the key in my opinion, but I guess it depends on who is on the market out there at seasons end.
I have found this season our young kids can hold down the pockets/flanks/wings while they learn and mature, but it is the key positions our kids just can't handle in their first season of AFL footy... apart from Zach Smith in the ruck who is a freak...
But yes, I also agree that you need that one star player ie as we have with GAblett... after being at every home game this season and listening to the crowd, he DOES put bums on seats...supporters go to the game to watch him and 2 out of 3 young suns supporters have his number on their back. He draws attention to the club, the media love him, always on the local radio, tv news and in the local papers which is exactly what we need trying to break into a rugby dominant state... which is also what Hunt has been doing this season. He hasn't set the footy on fire with his AFL ability but damn he works the media hard each week converting local Rugby fans into AFL fans... just like GWS needs.